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[Hobbsicle] Ye Olde Back-Alley Dentistry

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:26 am

Alistair was a dentist in the middle ages. (And by "dentist", I mean "barber who also pulled teeth", because there were no formal dentists in those days. The distinction isn't important for this puzzle, though.)

One day, Alistair notices his tooth business is unusually slow, and wanders outside his shop to see another dentist-of-sorts, Luther, with a new shop set up just across the square, and he seems to be gathering customers. In fact, the customers continue and only increase as the week goes on. Alistair is skilled in his profession, and he somewhat remembers Luther as a rather underwhelming apprentice to a colleague a few years back. Upon inquiring about his competitor's services, Alistair does not notice anything unusual. He is ready to chalk it up as a front for some shady potion-dealing, until one day he arrives at his shop a bit earlier than usual, and sees his competitor's assistant, across the square, sifting through the garbage outside. He then develops a pretty good hunch as to why he is so successful. Why?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Ye Olde Back-Alley Dentistry

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:05 am

Do all customers go to Luther only to get teeth pulled? To get something else? Pain relevant? Pain relief? Does Alistais see what the assistant is sifting the garbage for? Tooth replacements relevant? Relevant what happens to the pulled teeth? Payment for the service relevant? Relevant what the garbage consists of, besides the thing the asdistant is sifting for? Is Luther running some sort of scam or fraud? Is he attracting clients by low price?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Ye Olde Back-Alley Dentistry

Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:06 am

is there something hidden in the garbage?Was the assistant searching something?Do Luther's clients relevantly throw something in the garbage?Normal waste?Something else?Did it Luther itself?Was Luther aware of what his assistant was doing?Was the garbage located in a relevant place?Near the shop?
To be sure: Alister noticed the assistant early in the morning? Do the assistant need to do this operation (sifting through the garbage) early in the morning? Before Luther open his shop?

Do the assistant play a relevant role except from sifting the garbage (for instance did he pretend to be a poor man, someone else in general)?sifting the garbage = searching with his hands?Other parts of the body?Did Luther reuse something?Save money?Did the assistant usually do what he was doing?Every day?Every week?Every month?Was he doing something that is commonly/legally done also nowadays?By dentists?Is it an action usually done by dentists?
Did the clients of Luther relevantly arrived to his shop at a certain hour more than in other hours of the day?Was the shop full of people every day?If so, did they all relevantly enter the shop?Or stay also outside to wait? Did Alistair notice, before being the assistant's act, something strange involving the place where the garbage was? Did some specific reunion take place in Luther's shop?Did the assistant sift just through a specific garbage ( I mean just in the garbage near Luther's shop)? Or in any garbage that was in the village/town? Was the garbage composed by normal waste?Was it all formed by normal waste or was there something "special"/particular/relevant in the garbage?

...as usual...horrible question...: was there any death body in the garbage?Saving money in searching skeletons in garbage instead of buying them relevant?

Alistair understood the reason why Luther was successful in his job? As a dentist?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Ye Olde Back-Alley Dentistry

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:44 am

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Do all customers go to Luther only to get teeth pulled? No-ish, likely that would be the reason for some, but there are other tooth-related services as well that are generally relevant To get something else? There is something else relevant about his services Pain relevant? Pain relief? Yope, explore Does Alistais see what the assistant is sifting the garbage for? Irrelevant, if he doesn't see it directly, he's just more clever Tooth replacements relevant? No Relevant what happens to the pulled teeth? No Payment for the service relevant? No Relevant what the garbage consists of, besides the thing the asdistant is sifting for? No Is Luther running some sort of scam or fraud? YES Is he attracting clients by low price? No

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is there something hidden in the garbage? Not in the way I think you mean Was the assistant searching something? Yes Do Luther's clients relevantly throw something in the garbage? No Normal waste? Yes, it's just normal waste Something else? Only in that there is something specific being looked for Did it Luther itself? Rephrase, don't understand that question Was Luther aware of what his assistant was doing? Yes Was the garbage located in a relevant place? Near the shop? irrel, it could have been further away, just less convenient
To be sure: Alister noticed the assistant early in the morning? Yes Do the assistant need to do this operation (sifting through the garbage) early in the morning? Before Luther open his shop? Yes, or ideally, anyway

Do the assistant play a relevant role except from sifting the garbage (for instance did he pretend to be a poor man, someone else in general)? No sifting the garbage = searching with his hands? Probably, yes Other parts of the body? irrel Did Luther reuse something? No Save money? No Did the assistant usually do what he was doing? Yes Every day? Every week? Every month? Likely every day or couple of days Was he doing something that is commonly/legally done also nowadays? No By dentists? No Is it an action usually done by dentists? No

Did the clients of Luther relevantly arrived to his shop at a certain hour more than in other hours of the day? No Was the shop full of people every day? If so, did they all relevantly enter the shop? Or stay also outside to wait? The only relevant thing there is just that there are a lot of customers Did Alistair notice, before being the assistant's act, something strange involving the place where the garbage was? No Did some specific reunion take place in Luther's shop? No Did the assistant sift just through a specific garbage ( I mean just in the garbage near Luther's shop)? Or in any garbage that was in the village/town? Was the garbage composed by normal waste? Was it all formed by normal waste or was there something "special"/particular/relevant in the garbage? Normal waste, could have come from anywhere, maybe he looks in other places other days

...as usual...horrible question...: was there any death body in the garbage? Saving money in searching skeletons in garbage instead of buying them relevant? No to these

Alistair understood the reason why Luther was successful in his job? As a dentist? Both, to some degree. Although he wasn't being a very good dentist, I suppose, since there was a scam involved
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Ye Olde Back-Alley Dentistry

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:39 am

Drugs relevant? Alcohol? Other medical substance? Does the assistant find things in the garbage that are used for perpetrating the scam? That are there as a result of the scam? Do the customers relevantly contribute to the garbage? Is superstition or religion relevant? Do the customers realize they've been had? If so: immediately? Hours after? Days after? Weeks? More?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Ye Olde Back-Alley Dentistry

Postby Earnest » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:10 am

Did Luther use a substance derived from garbage?Animals relevant?Rats?Flies?Cats?Anesthetic relevant?Is the assistant searching a particular peace of waste? Drink?A body?Urine?Food?...were here specific places where the garbage was thrown?Is what was considered garbage at the time relevant?Is there something in the garbage that was considered waste at the time but not today?Is what was searched by the assistant used today? Legally?Illegally?By dentists?By other doctors?In other professions?
Is there food in the waste?Relevant?Did Luther reuse something that was thrown away by others? Alistair for instance?

Is what found in the garbage used on patient's teeth? Mouth?Directly?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Ye Olde Back-Alley Dentistry

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:06 pm

GalFisk

Drugs relevant? Alcohol? Other medical substance? No to these Does the assistant find things in the garbage that are used for perpetrating the scam? Yes That are there as a result of the scam? No Do the customers relevantly contribute to the garbage? No Is superstition or religion relevant? Yes-ish, more of a mistaken belief than superstition, though Do the customers realize they've been had? No or irrel If so: immediately? Hours after? Days after? Weeks? More?

Earnest

Did Luther use a substance derived from garbage? No Animals relevant? YES Rats? Flies? Not quite this, but... Cats? Anesthetic relevant? No Is the assistant searching a particular peace of waste? Drink?A body?Urine?Food? irrel, but food might work best ...were here specific places where the garbage was thrown? No Is what was considered garbage at the time relevant? No Is there something in the garbage that was considered waste at the time but not today? No Is what was searched by the assistant used today? Not "used" as far as I know, but it is certainly around Legally?Illegally?By dentists? By other doctors?In other professions?
Is there food in the waste?Relevant? irrel, probably Did Luther reuse something that was thrown away by others? Alistair for instance? No to both

Is what found in the garbage used on patient's teeth? Mouth? Directly? Yes to these, with a slight "ish"
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Ye Olde Back-Alley Dentistry

Postby Earnest » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:32 pm

well...I would try dogs? Lizards? Beetles? flying animals? Bees? Alive? Animals that are usually found near garbage? Similar to flies = insects? Did they relevantly have a bad smell? Do those animals relevantly bite? Are parts of the animal used as a tool?...such as the stinger of the animal as a sort of syringe? Relevant how many animals did the assistant capture? set of ten? thousands? hundreds?

Guess -> would he use the teeth of the animals that the assistant capture? Some other part of the animal's body?

Pain relief...is extraction involved? If so..pain relief after an extraction? During? Or is it something like an anesthetic that should be taken before the operation? Same questions if the operation is not an extraction.
Were the animals put inside the mouth of the patient (I would call him/her victim in such a situation)?Entirely?Just a part of them?

you said that what was doing the assistant could be considered as a crime right? Because inadequately hygienical? Because too risky for the patient? Because it was considered witchcraft? others?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Ye Olde Back-Alley Dentistry

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:22 am

Os there a mistaken belief about: tooth ache? Tooth decay? Barbers? Pain? Does Luther pretend to remove something from their bodies? Does Luther actually pull teeth? Does he claim to have a better method? Insects relevant? Maggots?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Ye Olde Back-Alley Dentistry

Postby trebor » Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:04 am

Do Luther's customers go to Luther because they think he is better at finding things wrong with them than Alistair is? Because they think either dentist could diagnose a potential issue, but Luther would be better at fixing it?

Does Luther use the animal stuff from the garbage in his diagnosis of customers? In treating them? Some other way? Is marketing relevant? Does Luther employ a barker?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Ye Olde Back-Alley Dentistry

Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:02 pm

Been super busy as of late...

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well...I would try dogs? Lizards? Beetles? flying animals? Bees? Alive? Yes Animals that are usually found near garbage? Yes Similar to flies = insects? Yes Did they relevantly have a bad smell? No Do those animals relevantly bite? No Are parts of the animal used as a tool? No...such as the stinger of the animal as a sort of syringe? Relevant how many animals did the assistant capture? set of ten? thousands? hundreds? Irrel, but maybe 100 or so

Guess -> would he use the teeth of the animals that the assistant capture? Some other part of the animal's body? No to both

Pain relief...is extraction involved? Of a kind... but not how you mean If so..pain relief after an extraction? During? Or is it something like an anesthetic that should be taken before the operation? Same questions if the operation is not an extraction. The pain relief would only be after the procedure, but there is some intentional misleading going on
Were the animals put inside the mouth of the patient (I would call him/her victim in such a situation)?Entirely? YES Just a part of them?

you said that what was doing the assistant could be considered as a crime right? More so the dentist than the assistant, but yes, I would assume so, although I am unaware of the specific laws. Because inadequately hygienical? It would have been this, but in those days, I doubt anyone cared enough to make that a crime Because too risky for the patient? Because it was considered witchcraft? No to these others? Mainly because it was deception.

Galfisk

Os there a mistaken belief about: tooth ache? Tooth decay? Both of these two Barbers? Pain? No to these Does Luther pretend to remove something from their bodies? YES!! Does Luther actually pull teeth? Maybe sometimes, but not relevantly Does he claim to have a better method? Yes Insects relevant? Maggots? YES

trebor

Do Luther's customers go to Luther because they think he is better at finding things wrong with them than Alistair is? Maybe somewhat Because they think either dentist could diagnose a potential issue, but Luther would be better at fixing it? But more so this

Does Luther use the animal stuff from the garbage in his diagnosis of customers? Yes-ish In treating them? Yes-ish Some other way? Is marketing relevant? No Does Luther employ a barker? No
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Ye Olde Back-Alley Dentistry

Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:25 am

do they think that maggots could eliminate dental caries? That dental caries were sort of animals to be eaten? To extract blood? tartar?...did they think that maggots should eat something inside the mouth of patients?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Ye Olde Back-Alley Dentistry

Postby SurfingPikachu » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:11 am

Did he pretend to extract maggots from patients' mouths and say "that was the problem, now I've removed it" or something to that effect?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Ye Olde Back-Alley Dentistry

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:16 pm

Earnest

do they think that maggots could eliminate dental caries? No That dental caries were sort of animals to be eaten? No To extract blood? tartar?...did they think that maggots should eat something inside the mouth of patients? No to all

SurfingPikachu

Did he pretend to extract maggots from patients' mouths and say "that was the problem, now I've removed it" or something to that effect? YES

*****************SPOILER*********************

Luther would have his assistant find maggots in the garbage and take them inside for use throughout the day. In the Middle Ages (and, actually, a lot of other points in history as well), people believed cavities and other dental pain/decay was caused by "tooth worms" that ate holes in the teeth, although no one had actually been able to extract them. So when Luther worked on patient's mouths, he would sneak maggots into their mouth, and remove them (or have the patients spit them out), claiming that he had successfully removed their tooth worms. Since it seemed he could do what Alistair could not, they went to him instead. When Alistair saw the gathering of the maggots, he guessed at what was going on.


I wish this was just a product of my own disturbed mind, but this kind of con is said to have actually occurred in the Middle Ages. So next time you go to the dentist, be thankful for the advances of modern medicine...

Thanks to all for playing, particularly Earnest for many good questions, and SurfingPikachu for the final solve.
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