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Postby irishelk » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:42 pm

Robin's job is very important. Lives depend on him. So why do his superiors instruct him to make a serious, deliberate mistake?
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby WiZ » Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:27 pm

Robin = HAM?

Is he directly responsible for protecting/saving/upholding people's lives? Does he work, broadly speaking, in the field of health? justice? policy?

Does he make this mistake in the course of his work? Does his mistake have any consequences? Is it conducted in a safe/test/somehow insular environment? Can the mistake be stopped or corrected before it has a chance to take effect?

Is the mistake potentially life-threatening? Is it a clerical error of some kind? A physical action?

Is it hoped the mistake will be seen? Is there a potential advantage or common good that would come from the mistake being observed and copied/reported on/acted on? I'm thinking Ben Franklin and misspelling Philadelphia on a banknote, but there must be similar situations.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby SurfingPikachu » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:27 pm

When you say "mistake", do you just mean, it would be a mistake under normal circumstances?
Would a generally wise, knowledgeable and benevolent observer still consider the action to be a "mistake" under the circumstances in which Robin was to take the action? (Presumably there are some special circumstances causing the instruction to be given?) Or would it be deemed possibly the right thing to do, just an appropriate deviation from normal procedure? Or perhaps not appropriate, but an understandable judgement call (whether it turned out for better or for worse, whether for selfish or altruistic purposes) to deviate from the norm?
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby Earnest » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:51 am

do lives depend on him in quite every situation he deal with? I mean...would the deliberate mistake jeopardize the lives of his clients/patient/others (if they could be called so)? Do lives depend on him directly or indirectly? Is he a pilot of an airplane? A doctor? a judge? Was him a military? Does he need to take important decisions while working? Do lives of other people depends on him? Or lives of animals for instance? Of plants? Has Robin studied at university to do the job he was doing?

Were his superiors present at the same place as the place where he found himself when taking the decision of doing the mistake?Or did they communicate to him via radio?Via phone?How many time passed from the instruction of his superior to the "deed" (I mean to the execution of the mistake)?Seconds?Minutes?Hours?Days?Weeks?More? Would the mistake save some lives? If the "procedure" was rightly followed, would something bad happen? If so would many people die?Just one person?Two?More than 10?Between 2 and 10? Something good? Were there god reasons why Robin should do the mistake? Did Robin do the mistake at the end?

Was it an emergency situation? A situation in which rapidity is vital? A situation in which precision is vital? Concentration?Calm? Or a normal situation?To be sure...is the mistake referred completely to Robin's job? An operation he had to do? A particular action? A behavior he needed to take? A written rule he had to break? A non-written rule he had to break? Something that he had studied in a way and he had to apply in another way? To take a direction instead of another? Do make something in a way it was not supposed do be done?Does the mistake mainly consist in writing something?Reading?Listening?Driving?Operating?Choosing a medicine?making someone do something?Like eating?Drinking? Do the mistake concerns a part of his job that should be done in a way instead of another and Robin was suggested to do in a wrong way? Do the mistake allow to take time? To save lives? To work in better conditions? Or would it take benefits directly to his superiors?
If the mistake consisted of a physical action...would it last seconds?Minutes?Hours? Same question for the consequences (beneficial or not) of the mistake.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:54 pm

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Robin = HAM? Yes.

Is he directly responsible for protecting/saving/upholding people's lives? DOYD of directly, I'll say noish. Does he work, broadly speaking, in the field of health? No. justice? Not quite, but related. policy? No.

Does he make this mistake in the course of his work? Yes. Does his mistake have any consequences? Yes. Is it conducted in a safe/test/somehow insular environment? No. Can the mistake be stopped or corrected before it has a chance to take effect? It probably could have been.

Is the mistake potentially life-threatening? Not in this case. Is it a clerical error of some kind? Yope. A physical action? Yes.

Is it hoped the mistake will be seen? As in, recognized as a mistake? No. Is there a potential advantage or common good that would come from the mistake being observed and copied/reported on/acted on? I'm thinking Ben Franklin and misspelling Philadelphia on a banknote, but there must be similar situations. No, but good thought. Incidentally, I read that story when I was young and still shaky on spelling, and to this day I'm never sure if I'm spelling it the right way or the Franklin way.


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When you say "mistake", do you just mean, it would be a mistake under normal circumstances? Yes.
Would a generally wise, knowledgeable and benevolent observer still consider the action to be a "mistake" under the circumstances in which Robin was to take the action? No. (Presumably there are some special circumstances causing the instruction to be given?) Correct. Or would it be deemed possibly the right thing to do, just an appropriate deviation from normal procedure? Yes. Or perhaps not appropriate, but an understandable judgement call (whether it turned out for better or for worse, whether for selfish or altruistic purposes) to deviate from the norm? Yes, although I imagine it would have been judged harshly had the outcome been bad.


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do lives depend on him in quite every situation he deal with? Not every one, but often. I mean...would the deliberate mistake jeopardize the lives of his clients/patient/others (if they could be called so)? Not in this case. Do lives depend on him directly or indirectly? I would lean more toward indirectly.
Is he a pilot of an airplane? A doctor? a judge? Was him a military? No to all.
Does he need to make important decisions while working? Yes. Do lives of other people depends on him? Yes. Or lives of animals for instance? Of plants? Possibly animals sometimes. I can't think of a situation with plants. =) Has Robin studied at university to do the job he was doing? Not necessarily.

Were his superiors present at the same place as the place where he found himself when taking the decision of doing the mistake? Irr.. Or did they communicate to him via radio?Via phone? Possibly, irr.
How many time passed from the instruction of his superior to the "deed" (I mean to the execution of the mistake)? Seconds? Minutes? Seconds or minutes. Hours? Days? Weeks? More? Would the mistake save some lives? Not immediately, but quite possibly.
If the "procedure" was rightly followed, would something bad happen? Noish. If so would many people die? Just one person?Two?More than 10?Between 2 and 10? Yope to noish for all. Something good? Yesish. Were there good reasons why Robin should do the mistake? Yes. Did Robin do the mistake at the end? Yes.

Was it an emergency situation? YES. A situation in which rapidity is vital? Yes. A situation in which precision is vital? In a sense, yes. Concentration?Calm? Yes to both. Or a normal situation?
To be sure...is the mistake referred completely to Robin's job? If I understand you right, yes. An operation he had to do? A particular action? A behavior he needed to take? Yes to all. A written rule he had to break? Yesish. A non-written rule he had to break? It might not be specifically written, but he certainly breaks procedure.
Something that he had studied in a way and he had to apply in another way? To take a direction instead of another? Do make something in a way it was not supposed do be done?Does the mistake mainly consist in writing something?Reading?Listening?Driving?Operating?Choosing a medicine? No to these.
making someone do something? Yesish. Like eating?Drinking? No.
Do the mistake concerns a part of his job that should be done in a way instead of another and Robin was suggested to do in a wrong way? Sort of. Do the mistake allow to take time? Not sure what you mean. To save lives? Possibly. To work in better conditions? Or would it take benefits directly to his superiors? No to rest.
If the mistake consisted of a physical action...would it last seconds?Minutes? This. Hours? Same question for the consequences (beneficial or not) of the mistake. The direct consequence would take several minutes, but there are other long-term consequences.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby Earnest » Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:31 pm

Does his job involve driving? Did he work in a place whose main aim is to save lives? To produce something? Was him a manager? Did he work in an hospital?police? Fireman? Are emergency an every day aspect of Robin's job? Does some relevant tool characterize his job? Did he use that tool in the emergency situation?
Did he drive an ambulance?

Emergency situation? A fire? A crime? Was time vital in that situation? Was the decision to shoot someone? To shoot a criminal that could potentially kill someone but who didn't have yet? Something like that?
Is the procedure referred to an arrest? To a safety procedure? Did the emergency situation involves also Robin's life? Is it relevant some terrorist act? Some piety act?

If he had followed the procedure would he have ordered to stay in a building? Wait for something to happen? Take another road? Not shoot to someone? Not enter a room because it was too risky (e.g. during a fire)? Not control something?
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:10 pm

Earnest

Does his job involve driving? No. Did he work in a place whose main aim is to save lives? Yes. To produce something? No. Was him a manager? Noish. Did he work in an hospital?police? Fireman? No to all, but explore. Are emergency an every day aspect of Robin's job? Yes. Does some relevant tool characterize his job? Yesish, DOYD of tool. Did he use that tool in the emergency situation? Yes.
Did he drive an ambulance? No.

Emergency situation? A fire? YES. A crime? Yes. Was time vital in that situation? Yes. Was the decision to shoot someone? No. To shoot a criminal that could potentially kill someone but who didn't have yet? Something like that? Not really.
Is the procedure referred to an arrest? To a safety procedure? Did the emergency situation involves also Robin's life? Is it relevant some terrorist act? Of a sort. Some piety act? No to rest.

If he had followed the procedure would he have ordered to stay in a building? No. Wait for something to happen? No. Take another road? Yope, explore. Not shoot to someone? Not enter a room because it was too risky (e.g. during a fire)? Not control something? No to rest.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby SurfingPikachu » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:57 pm

Ah, with these answers, it becomes clear as day.

Obviously, Robin, the sidekick of Batman, was in his civilian identity at Wayne Manor during Bruce's birthday party when the League of Shadows terrorists storm in and burn Wayne Manor to the ground. Robin wants to help, but Batman secretly signals him to stand down and leave with the rest of the guests, so as not to reveal Robin's identity, because Batman Begins was Batman's introductory movie and not Robin's, goddammit!

It all fits so perfectly. :P
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby Earnest » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:11 am

SurfingPikachu I am not going to ask any other question because I think you are perfectly right ahahahah
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:06 pm

SurfingPikachu

Ah, with these answers, it becomes clear as day.

Obviously, Robin, the sidekick of Batman, was in his civilian identity at Wayne Manor during Bruce's birthday party when the League of Shadows terrorists storm in and burn Wayne Manor to the ground. Robin wants to help, but Batman secretly signals him to stand down and leave with the rest of the guests, so as not to reveal Robin's identity, because Batman Begins was Batman's introductory movie and not Robin's, goddammit!

It all fits so perfectly. :P

Dang, you guessed it so quickly! I mean, obviously that's the actual answer, but I do have a back-up solution in case someone guessed it too quickly. :mrgreen:


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SurfingPikachu I am not going to ask any other question because I think you are perfectly right ahahahah He's a damn genius.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby SurfingPikachu » Wed Jul 05, 2017 2:46 pm

Ok, time to guess the backup solution! :D

Was there a real fire? Or just signs of a fire? Smoke? Fire alarm?

Any of the following relevant? (Either that he was supposed or not supposed to do it normally, or instructed to do it or not do it in this situation, or prevent others from doing it.)
- Prevent the fire? Start the fire? Make it bigger? Ignore the fire? Contain the fire? Extinguish the fire? Deal with the fire in some other way?
- Activate or deactivate sprinklers? Open or close fire doors? Use a fire extinguisher?
- Call emergency services? Report the fire? Gather information about the fire? Document or investigate or analyse the fire?
- Sound the alarm or evacuate the building? Search for missing or trapped occupants? Act as a fire marshall?
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:45 pm

SurfingPikachu

Ok, time to guess the backup solution! :D

Was there a real fire? Yes. Or just signs of a fire? Smoke? Fire alarm?

Any of the following relevant? (Either that he was supposed or not supposed to do it normally, or instructed to do it or not do it in this situation, or prevent others from doing it.)
- Prevent the fire? No. Start the fire? Relevant. Make it bigger? Not this. Ignore the fire? Contain the fire? Extinguish the fire? Deal with the fire in some other way?
- Activate or deactivate sprinklers? Open or close fire doors? Use a fire extinguisher? The rest may relevantly occur, but not exactly in the ways you list.
- Call emergency services? Normally, he might do this... Report the fire? And this. Gather information about the fire? Document or investigate or analyse the fire? Possibly these.
- Sound the alarm or evacuate the building? Search for missing or trapped occupants? Act as a fire marshall? No to rest.
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:13 pm

Was he ordered to start a fire? Ignore all or part of emergency procedures in case of fire? Is a test or exam relevant?
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby SurfingPikachu » Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:23 pm

Was the intent of the "mistake" to:
- Communicate with someone? Alert someone of something? Inform someone of something?
- Force someone to take some action? Such as deal with the fire? Or evacuate the building?
- Distract or misdirect someone?

Just to be clear, he was a welldoer and not an evildoer?
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:27 pm

GalFisk

Was he ordered to start a fire? No. Ignore all or part of emergency procedures in case of fire? Yope. Is a test or exam relevant? No.


SurfingPikachu

Was the intent of the "mistake" to:
- Communicate with someone? Alert someone of something? Yope. Inform someone of something? All of these are involved in the mistake, but are not exactly the intent.
- Force someone to take some action? Yes. Such as deal with the fire? Or evacuate the building? Not these.
- Distract or misdirect someone? YES. "Misdirect" is on the nose.

Just to be clear, he was a welldoer and not an evildoer? Yes.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby SurfingPikachu » Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:58 pm

Under normal procedure, was he supposed to start a fire? Not start a fire?
Under his superiors' instructions, was he supposed to start a fire? (Presumably you answered no.) Not start a fire?
Or is starting a fire relevant but with someone else instead of him?
Anyone else relevant in this puzzle? Any evildoers? Distinction between welldoers and evildoers relevant?
The person or people who were supposed to be misdirected were evildoers? Welldoers? Bystanders?
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:44 pm

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Under normal procedure, was he supposed to start a fire? No. Not start a fire? Not relevantly (although, like most people, he is not supposed to start a fire in the workplace ^^).
Under his superiors' instructions, was he supposed to start a fire? (Presumably you answered no.) Right: no. Not start a fire? He was not supposed to start a fire, yes.
Or is starting a fire relevant but with someone else instead of him? Yes.
Anyone else relevant in this puzzle? Yes. Any evildoers? Yes! Distinction between welldoers and evildoers relevant? I would say so.
The person or people who were supposed to be misdirected were evildoers? Person, and yes. Welldoers? Bystanders? No to rest.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby SurfingPikachu » Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:12 pm

So, someone started a fire? The evildoer started a fire? The fire started on its own?
Anyone else apart from him, his superiors, and the evildoer relevant?
To be clear, the evildoer was not among his superiors?
Did his superiors know of the presence of the evildoer?
Did he know of the presence of the evildoer?
Did the evildoer know of his presence? Or his superiors?
His superiors intended for his actions to misdirect the evildoer?
Was the fire used in the misdirection? If so, was it the fire itself, or some side-effect like heat or smoke, or some response to the fire like fire alarms ringing, or simply the knowledge that there was a fire, that was used in the misdirection?
Is he and the evildoer in the same general location? Is this location a workplace? An office? Shop? Building for a certain service, such as a police station, hospital, fire station?
Is fire an important part of his work?
Does he regularly deal with evildoers such as the one he is currently facing?
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:38 pm

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So, someone started a fire? Yes. The evildoer started a fire? Yes. The fire started on its own? No.
Anyone else apart from him, his superiors, and the evildoer relevant? Not directly.
To be clear, the evildoer was not among his superiors? Yes.
Did his superiors know of the presence of the evildoer? Yesish.
Did he know of the presence of the evildoer? Yesish.
Did the evildoer know of his presence? Yes for SVV of "presence." Or his superiors? Ditto.
His superiors intended for his actions to misdirect the evildoer? Yes.
Was the fire used in the misdirection? Yesish. If so, was it the fire itself, or some side-effect like heat or smoke, or some response to the fire like fire alarms ringing, or simply the knowledge that there was a fire, that was used in the misdirection? Closer to the latter two.
Is he and the evildoer in the same general location? No. Is this location a workplace? Yesish. An office? One location might be termed an office. Shop? One location is, yes. Building for a certain service, such as a police station, hospital, fire station? Yesish.
Is fire an important part of his work? Sometimes.
Does he regularly deal with evildoers such as the one he is currently facing? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby SurfingPikachu » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:43 pm

Wait, so Robin and the evildoer were in different places?
Robin was in the office-ish or shop?
The evildoer was in the office-ish or shop?
"police station, hospital, fire station"-ish is the office-ish?
Or are there more than two relevant locations?

The evildoer started a fire in the location the evildoer was in? Or the location Robin was in?

Robin used the fire, that the evildoer started, to misdirect the evildoer? What shenans is this?

Did the evildoer start the fire with the main purpose of:
Burning something? Causing property damage?
Burning someone? Killing someone?
Also distracting or misdirecting someone?
Or was it unintentional?
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:44 pm

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Wait, so Robin and the evildoer were in different places? Yes.
Robin was in the office-ish or shop? Office.
The evildoer was in the office-ish or shop? At one point, the shop.
"police station, hospital, fire station"-ish is the office-ish? Yes. Typically it is not any of those buildings, but OTRT.
Or are there more than two relevant locations? Yesish.

The evildoer started a fire in the location the evildoer was in? Yesish. Or the location Robin was in? No.

Robin used the fire, that the evildoer started, to misdirect the evildoer? In a sense, yes. What shenans is this? Well, if told you that, where would the mystery be? =).

Did the evildoer start the fire with the main purpose of:
Burning something? Causing property damage?
Burning someone? Killing someone? Largely irr, but likely all of these.
Also distracting or misdirecting someone? No.
Or was it unintentional? No.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby SurfingPikachu » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:41 pm

Evildoer = HAM? Gender relevant? Motives relevant? Modus operandi relevant? Generic evildoer or has some relevant specifics? Arsonist? (Relevant?) Working solo? Part of a crime syndicate? (Relevant?) Small-time or big-time crook?
Evildoer started one or multiple fires? Habits or patterns relevant? Relevant what the evildoer does before or after starting the fire?

The purpose of the misdirection was: To fool the evildoer into thinking that Robin et al did not notice or pay attention to him/fire? That they were too incompetent or busy or frightened to deal with him/fire? To keep him occupied in a certain place? To keep him occupied with less serious crimes? To let him commit more crimes before he is arrested? To turn multiple criminals against one another? To prevent bystanders or Robin from coming to harm? To prevent news from leaking to the media?

Is Robin's job to monitor alarms? Does he work in a security related field?
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:21 pm

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Evildoer = HAM? Yes. Gender relevant? No. Motives relevant? No. Modus operandi relevant? Yesish. Generic evildoer or has some relevant specifics? He does. Arsonist? Yes. (Relevant?) Very. Working solo? Yes. Part of a crime syndicate? No. (Relevant?) Kind of. Small-time or big-time crook? I'd say pretty serious.
Evildoer started one or multiple fires? Yes. Habits or patterns relevant? Yes, in a way very relevant. Relevant what the evildoer does before or after starting the fire? After, yes.

The purpose of the misdirection was: To fool the evildoer into thinking that Robin et al did not notice or pay attention to him/fire? Not primarily, but it has this effect. That they were too incompetent or busy or frightened to deal with him/fire? No. To keep him occupied in a certain place? Yope. To keep him occupied with less serious crimes? No. To let him commit more crimes before he is arrested? To turn multiple criminals against one another? To prevent bystanders or Robin from coming to harm? To prevent news from leaking to the media? No to rest.

Is Robin's job to monitor alarms? No. Does he work in a security related field? Vaguely.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby SurfingPikachu » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:56 pm

Had Robin et al been noticing the arsonist for awhile? Had the police? Firemen? Anyone else?

Was the purpose of the mistake to aid in catching the arsonist sooner? Let the arsonist burn more to attract more attention from police? Let the arsonist burn more to reveal more of his habits?

Did the mistake result in the arsonist getting arrested soon after? Burned? Killed? Or getting away? Was the mistake in the form of an action? Or inaction?

When Robin made the mistake, had the fire started? Ended? Had the arsonist just arrived? Fled?
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:18 pm

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Had Robin et al been noticing the arsonist for awhile? Yesish, SVV of "noticing." Had the police? Yesish. Firemen? Not relevantly...ish. Anyone else? Not relevantly.

Was the purpose of the mistake to aid in catching the arsonist sooner? Yes. Let the arsonist burn more to attract more attention from police? No. Let the arsonist burn more to reveal more of his habits? No.

Did the mistake result in the arsonist getting arrested soon after? Yes. Burned? Killed? Or getting away? No to rest. Was the mistake in the form of an action? This. Or inaction?

When Robin made the mistake, had the fire started? Yes. Ended? No. Had the arsonist just arrived? No, but explore. Fled? Yes...but explore.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby SurfingPikachu » Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:12 pm

Did the arsonist face an unexpected situation? Did the arsonist do anything relevant after fleeing? Such as return to the scene of the crime? Relevant how the fire ended?
Does Robin work in the field of news? As a journalist? Reporter? Presenter?
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:41 am

SurfingPikachu

Did the arsonist face an unexpected situation? No. Did the arsonist do anything relevant after fleeing? Yes. Such as return to the scene of the crime? Yes! Relevant how the fire ended? YES!
Does Robin work in the field of news? As a journalist? Reporter? Presenter? No to rest.
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:52 pm

Did Robin's mistake cause the arsonist to return to the scene of the crime? If so, was this by giving the arsonist a motivation to return?
When the arsonist returned to the scene of the crime, did he do anything relevant? Or was he arrested immediately?
Did the arsonist put out the fire? Did Robin? His superiors? Others? Or was the fire not put out, but burned until there was nothing left?
If the arsonist did put out the fire, did he do anything else relevant after returning?
Did the arsonist do anything relevant between fleeing and returning to the scene of the crime, apart from gaining a motivation to return (if he did indeed gain it)?
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:08 pm

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Did Robin's mistake cause the arsonist to return to the scene of the crime? Noish, but explore. If so, was this by giving the arsonist a motivation to return? Yope.
When the arsonist returned to the scene of the crime, did he do anything relevant? Not really, though his actions might help you. Or was he arrested immediately? No.
Did the arsonist put out the fire? Yes! Did Robin? His superiors? Others? Not directly. Or was the fire not put out, but burned until there was nothing left? No.
If the arsonist did put out the fire, did he do anything else relevant after returning? No.
Did the arsonist do anything relevant between fleeing and returning to the scene of the crime, apart from gaining a motivation to return (if he did indeed gain it)? Yope.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:10 am

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Although I think Pikachu summed it up quite nicely with: "Robin used the fire, that the evildoer started, to misdirect the evildoer? What shenans is this?"

Robin's work is related to emergency situations and saving lives. On instruction from superiors, he makes an intentional "mistake" in a real emergency situation. His workplace is not a hospital or fire station and is not necessarily a police station (though may be related to/connected to one)*. The mistake involves communicating with someone and informing someone of something.

Robin's mistake is enacted in order to thwart an evildoer, capture him, and possibly save lives in the long term. He quite literally misdirects the evildoer. The evildoer is an arsonist. The arsonist starts a fire and, eventually, returns to the scene of the crime and puts it out. The arsonist is not one of Robin's superiors. The arsonist is arrested soon after the mistake.

Robin is in a workplace that could be called an office. At some point, the evildoer is in a shop.


*It's actually difficult to Google exactly where Robin's type of workplaces are, and I imagine that is for valid security reasons.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby Earnest » Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:57 am

Well I have heard about a movie in which a man lights fires in order to be in first line as fireman or something like this. I am basing just on the recap so I am sorry if I am asking questions already answered...does Robin's work involve cameras?

I am thinking of something like Robin noticed that the evildoer is a fireman with which he worked in the past...
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:04 am

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Well I have heard about a movie in which a man lights fires in order to be in first line as fireman or something like this. Very relevant!
I am basing just on the recap so I am sorry if I am asking questions already answered...does Robin's work involve cameras? No.

I am thinking of something like Robin noticed that the evildoer is a fireman with which he worked in the past.. No, but OTRT.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby Earnest » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:51 pm

Did Robin have interactions with the evildoer? If so by telephone? Face to face? while working? Does R work mainly concern: advise firemen in case of fire? Arrest evildoers? Secret services? Radio (e.g. the speaker on police's radios)? Was R a fireman? Did he work in helicopters?

Do Robin and his superior know the evildoer? If not, did they enact the mistake also in order to discover him? Would Robin's mistake enable to capture every evildoer who follow the routine: light up a fire and suddenly go and put it out?

Is it relevant how the arsonist lighted up the fire? If so, is this the reason why he was in the shop? (e.g. in order to buy cigarettes or matches...)

Does the evildoer follow Robin's instructions? Does the evildoer work together with R? Is this the reason why the superiors told R and not others to commit the mistake?

R mistake = not to tell a precious piece of info? To be late? To make someone believe something wrong? To be in the wrong place? To be in the right place at a wrong time? not to follow some emergency procedures? not to reveal something?
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:14 pm

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Did Robin have interactions with the evildoer? Yes. If so by telephone? Yesish, phone or radio. Face to face? No. while working? Yes. Does R work mainly concern: advise firemen in case of fire? Not "mainly," but he does do this. Arrest evildoers? No. Secret services? Not relevantly. Radio (e.g. the speaker on police's radios)? Yes. Was R a fireman? No. Did he work in helicopters? No.

Do Robin and his superior know the evildoer? Yesish. If not, did they enact the mistake also in order to discover him? Yesish. Would Robin's mistake enable to capture every evildoer who follow the routine: light up a fire and suddenly go and put it out? Noish--only this evildoer would do that specific thing.

Is it relevant how the arsonist lighted up the fire? No. If so, is this the reason why he was in the shop? (e.g. in order to buy cigarettes or matches...)

Does the evildoer follow Robin's instructions? Noish! Good question, explore. Does the evildoer work together with R? In this case, yes. Is this the reason why the superiors told R and not others to commit the mistake? Yesish.

R mistake = not to tell a precious piece of info? Yope. To be late? No. To make someone believe something wrong? Yesish. To be in the wrong place? Yope--explore! To be in the right place at a wrong time? not to follow some emergency procedures? not to reveal something? No to rest.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby Earnest » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:02 pm

Does the evildoer follow Robin's instructions? Noish! Good question, explore--> did the evildoer receive R instructions? Did the evildoer receive a different instruction than the other colleagues? Did the evildoer receive the instruction to be in the wrong place but went in the right one knowing where he lighted up the fire?
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency

Postby irishelk » Mon Aug 21, 2017 12:43 pm

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Does the evildoer follow Robin's instructions? Noish! Good question, explore--> did the evildoer receive R instructions? Yes. Did the evildoer receive a different instruction than the other colleagues? Possibly. Did the evildoer receive the instruction to be in the wrong place but went in the right one knowing where he lighted up the fire? You got it! Nice one.

**********************SPOILER

This is based on the true story of John Orr, a firefighter who was also the worst serial arsonist California has ever seen. In the 80s and 90s, Orr set literally thousands of fires in California businesses and surrounding wooded areas. He caused at least four deaths. Investigators grew suspicious of him, and he was finally caught when he had to respond to one of the fires he himself had lit. The 9-1-1 operator [Robin] gave him the completely wrong address over the radio, but Orr still went to the right location, proving that he had prior knowledge of the fire.

The only way my story diverges from reality is that, according to officials, the 9-1-1 dispatcher gave the wrong address by mistake. However, many believe that investigators actually instructed him to, in order to catch Orr in a lie.
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Re: [IrishElk] Frequency {EXTINGUISHED}

Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:18 pm

Nice one!!!! Many thanks
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