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[SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby SurfingPikachu » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:33 am

Prof. Smith had his leg broken because of an encouragement he gives his students.
What happened and what was this encouragement?
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby Earnest » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:10 am

Prof Smith=H/A/M? did he broke his leg by giving a "practical example" of the encouragement ?(something like for instance: "don't give up, go and have fun by playing football!" and when he kicked the ball he broke his leg slipping on the grass? Or something like "jump the opportunity", he jumped and broke his leg?); did he give the encouragement inside the classroom? Outside? Was him the coach of the school team? Relevant of which subject he was professor? If so list of subjects.
Was him a professor in high school? College?

Did he broke his leg by slipping? By falling from high? While doing a test? With an item?By kicking something? By hurting something?...did he broke his leg voluntarily? Did he teach medicine? Was it a practical demonstration? Did he break all of his leg or just a specific part? Did he go to the hospital after? Relevant?

Did he have relevant diseases to his legs (Dr. House e.g.)? Was the leg injury part of the encouragement? Or was it an accident?
Was the encouragement a general "don't give up"? A life lesson for all the class? Just for a specific part of the class? Weren't the students able to do something? To perform a test? To take an high mark? Was it the n^th time that something bad happened? Was it an encouragement related to the school? To a subject?To all subjects?To the subject that he was teaching? To a specific behavior? A competition that the class had to undertake?An event to which the class had to participate?A specific situation?
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby SurfingPikachu » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:08 am

Prof Smith=H/A/M? Yes did he broke his leg by giving a "practical example" of the encouragement ?(something like for instance: "don't give up, go and have fun by playing football!" and when he kicked the ball he broke his leg slipping on the grass? Or something like "jump the opportunity", he jumped and broke his leg?); No did he give the encouragement inside the classroom? This Outside? Was him the coach of the school team? No Relevant of which subject he was professor? No If so list of subjects.
Was him a professor in high school? College? I'm unclear on western higher education. Here professors only teach in universities. Does not matter too much. High school sounds a little young for this puzzle to work though.

Did he broke his leg by slipping? By falling from high? While doing a test? With an item? This-ish but FA in question By kicking something? By hurting something?...did he broke his leg voluntarily? No Did he teach medicine? No Was it a practical demonstration? No Did he break all of his leg or just a specific part? Assume all Did he go to the hospital after? Yes Relevant? No

Did he have relevant diseases to his legs (Dr. House e.g.)? No Was the leg injury part of the encouragement? No Or was it an accident? No
Was the encouragement a general "don't give up"? All encouragements can be construed as "don't give up". But there is a specific commonly-heard encouragement at play here. A life lesson for all the class? This Just for a specific part of the class? Weren't the students able to do something? To perform a test? To take an high mark? Was it the n^th time that something bad happened? Was it an encouragement related to the school? To a subject?To all subjects?To the subject that he was teaching? To a specific behavior? A competition that the class had to undertake?An event to which the class had to participate?A specific situation? It was an encouragement that he repeated a lot in various situations whenever he felt the situation called for it.
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby Earnest » Sun Jul 09, 2017 1:57 pm

ok so...to be sure...real leg? (no protheses/wooden legs ...?)

t was an encouragement that he repeated a lot in various situations -->was him somehow frustrated to repeat always the same thing? was the fracture of his leg the result of a gesture of frustration? Of an involuntary gesture he did while talking to his students? Was him near the blackboard when he broke his leg? Is the conformation of the room where he he used to teach relevant? Was him seated or standing when he did the action that made him break his leg? Was he sitting? Did he stumble in something/ on the foot of a student? Did he fall from stairs? Did he stumble on a step? Did he fall? Did he wanted to avoid another thing to happen (like stumbling on a cable...a pc cable?A microphone cable? A projector cable?)?

This-ish but FA in question --> FA: did he break his leg? Was the item on his hands? Or did he move so that he hurt the item? Is the item specific of his profession? If so desk? Chair? Black/whiteboard? Or was it

whenever he felt the situation called for it-->usual situation in which he repeat the encouragement: after exams? Before exams?During exams?During specific lectures? When a student ask a specific question? When a student is upset for a school-related situation? Did he give the encouragement making relevant gestures? Or simply speaking and walking? Did he relevantly give the encouragement with a microphone?

did he broke his leg voluntarily? No.......Or was it an accident? No --> so it wasn't neither an accident nor a voluntary gesture, right? Did someone provoke it? If so, was it a student? Was it a prank? Footboard relevant? Did the leg break instantaneously or did it took time? I mean...was there a weight over the leg?
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby SurfingPikachu » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:17 pm

ok so...to be sure...real leg? (no protheses/wooden legs ...?) Real

t was an encouragement that he repeated a lot in various situations -->was him somehow frustrated to repeat always the same thing? was the fracture of his leg the result of a gesture of frustration? The way you asked, technically yes-ish Of an involuntary gesture he did while talking to his students? Was him near the blackboard when he broke his leg? Is the conformation of the room where he he used to teach relevant? Was him seated or standing when he did the action that made him break his leg? FA Was he sitting? Did he stumble in something/ on the foot of a student? Did he fall from stairs? Did he stumble on a step? Did he fall? Did he wanted to avoid another thing to happen (like stumbling on a cable...a pc cable?A microphone cable? A projector cable?)? No to rest, most have implied FA

This-ish but FA in question --> FA: did he break his leg? No, that was not my phrasing :P Was the item on his hands? Or did he move so that he hurt the item? Is the item specific of his profession? If so desk? Chair? Black/whiteboard? Or was it No to rest

whenever he felt the situation called for it-->usual situation in which he repeat the encouragement: after exams? Before exams?During exams?During specific lectures? When a student ask a specific question? When a student is upset for a school-related situation? Any of these Did he give the encouragement making relevant gestures? No Or simply speaking and walking? Yes Did he relevantly give the encouragement with a microphone? Irr

did he broke his leg voluntarily? No.......Or was it an accident? No --> so it wasn't neither an accident nor a voluntary gesture by him, right? Yes Did someone provoke it? Someone caused it If so, was it a student? Yes Was it a prank? No Footboard relevant? Do you mean footboard or skateboard? Either way, no Did the leg break instantaneously or did it took time? Let's say, 15 secs (Ouch) I mean...was there a weight over the leg? No

Sorry if you're getting frustrated over my other puzzle, take a break with this one :lol:
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby Earnest » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:41 pm

Sorry if you're getting frustrated over my other puzzle, take a break with this one --> nono it's me...I know that I am confusonary so don't worry, my fault xD

So...did the student cause the fracture voluntarily? Did he make Prof Smith fall? If was the fall caused directly by the student or by an item of the student? Such as his bag? Releant if the student was in the front row of the class or in another position?Did Prof Smith put his feet on an unstable item/ground? Was he trying to avoid one of his student's item? Did an item fall to one of his students? Was the student maybe blowed to the ground? Was the student taking something from the ground?

While giving the encouragement was Prf. Smith walking in a normal way? Or rapidly? With long steps? Short steps? Was he running? Did he rush? Was he exjting the room? Was he entering the room? Was he in the middle of a lecture? Relevant where he walked? I mean did he follow a regular path while walking and a student unvoluntarily positioned something on his path when he was turned?
Had he looked down on his feet, would he have his leg broken?

Is the encouragement valid for both male and female? Is it more effective for people belonging to a certain culture/religion/minority? Also for non-students? Or is it a particular encouragement for students? Does it involve the life in a campus? The persistency in atudying subjects that are difficult but very usefull? Was the encouragement also a suggestion to do something? To do something in a certain way? To do sonething regularly? To perform a certain action? Did he do a relevant encouragement gesture while speaking?
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Postby SurfingPikachu » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:18 pm

So...did the student cause the fracture BTW fracture ≠ break voluntarily? Yes Did he make Prof Smith fall? Technically yes If was the fall caused directly by the student Technically this or by an item of the student? Such as his bag? Item was not a bag Releant if the student was in the front row of the class or in another position?Did Prof Smith put his feet on an unstable item/ground? Was he trying to avoid one of his student's item? Did an item fall to one of his students? Was the student maybe blowed to the ground? Was the student taking something from the ground? No to rest

While giving the encouragement was Prf. Smith walking in a normal way? Or rapidly? With long steps? Short steps? Was he running? Did he rush? Was he exjting the room? Was he entering the room? Was he in the middle of a lecture? Relevant where he walked? I mean did he follow a regular path while walking and a student unvoluntarily positioned something on his path when he was turned? Various, since he gives this encouragement regularly
Had he looked down on his feet, would he have his leg broken? Still yes

Is the encouragement valid for both male and female? Is it more effective for people belonging to a certain culture/religion/minority? Also for non-students? Or is it a particular encouragement for students? Does it involve the life in a campus? The persistency in atudying subjects that are difficult but very usefull? It was a very general-purpose encouragement that could be used in almost any situation Was the encouragement also a suggestion to do something? To do something in a certain way? To do sonething regularly? To perform a certain action? Did he do a relevant encouragement gesture while speaking? No to rest


*** RECAP ***
Prof. Smith had his leg broken because of an encouragement he gives his students.
Prof. Smith teaches in a university, subject irrelevant.
The encouragement is a general-purpose, commonly-heard encouragement, that he repeated a lot in various scenarios, inside a classroom. The specific encouragement is important. The manner of giving the encouragement is not important.
His leg was intentionally broken by a student over a period of 15s. An item was involved. Something similar to frustration was involved.



Let me know if recaps like this are preferred!
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby Earnest » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:56 pm

Let me know if recaps like this are preferred! Very nice thanks...so I also came back to the other puzzle ahahahah

to be sure...gun, weapons involved?
Did the student throw something on Professor's leg? Did the student fall on Prof Smith's leg? Did the student want to break Prof's leg because of the encouragement? Because the encouragement derived from something that the student had made wrong? Because of a personal situation? Because the encouragement would have damaged him somehow?Because he misunderstood something? Was the student's original intention (e.g. at the beginning of the lecture or before the encouragement was given) to break his professor's leg?

over a period of 15s...is it meant like it took 15s for the leg to break? It took 15s for the student to use the item and break the Professor's leg? Was the Prof shot? Was the prof scared by a sudden noise?

Item: student's item? Or an item usually found in a classroom? An item though to make noise? to be wore? To be consulted? To be read? to be used against someone? to injure someone?
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Postby trebor » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:11 am

Is the student's motive for breaking the prof's leg relevant? If so, was he annoyed at/angry with the prof? Did he want to prove to the prof that his particular repeated encouragement was idiotic? Silly? Frustrating? Does the prof's encouragement involve an idiom? Does it tell or ask the receiver of the encouragement to do something that is grammatically or technically impossible or ludicrous? (Such as "give yourself a hand"?) Does the student have a relevant disability? Is the student's race relevant? Gender? Orientation?

Was it the student who was frustrated? The prof? Did the student intend to break the prof's leg? Or did he intend to do whatever he did, with the unforeseen consequence that the prof's leg would be broken?
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby SurfingPikachu » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:37 pm

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to be sure...gun, weapons involved? Sometimes considered a makeshift weapon, not too important
Did the student throw something on Professor's leg? No Did the student fall on Prof Smith's leg? No Did the student want to break Prof's leg because of the encouragement? Yes Because the encouragement derived from something that the student had made wrong? Not sure what this means, sounds like no Because of a personal situation? Yes Because the encouragement would have damaged him somehow? No-ish Because he misunderstood something? No Was the student's original intention (e.g. at the beginning of the lecture or before the encouragement was given) to break his professor's leg? Not before the encouragements

over a period of 15s...is it meant like it took 15s for the leg to break? No It took 15s for the student to use the item and break the Professor's leg? Yes Was the Prof shot? No Was the prof scared by a sudden noise? No

Item: student's item? Yes Or an item usually found in a classroom? Sometimes An item though to make noise? to be wore? To be consulted? To be read? to be used against someone? to injure someone? No to rest, not too important, but guess if you want to

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Is the student's motive for breaking the prof's leg relevant? Now the central problem If so, was he annoyed at/angry with the prof? Yes Did he want to prove to the prof that his particular repeated encouragement was idiotic? Silly? Frustrating? Any of these to some extent Does the prof's encouragement involve an idiom? No Does it tell or ask the receiver of the encouragement to do something that is grammatically or technically impossible or ludicrous? (Such as "give yourself a hand"? Or "break a leg"?! :lol:) No Does the student have a relevant disability? Is the student's race relevant? Gender? Orientation? No to these

Was it the student who was frustrated? This The prof? Did the student intend to break the prof's leg? This Or did he intend to do whatever he did, with the unforeseen consequence that the prof's leg would be broken?


*** RECAP ***
Prof. Smith had his leg broken because of an encouragement he gives his students.
Prof. Smith teaches in a university, subject irrelevant.
The encouragement is a general-purpose, commonly-heard encouragement, that he repeated a lot in various scenarios, inside a classroom. The specific encouragement is important. The manner of giving the encouragement is not important. It is not an idiom and doesn't tell the listener to do something impossible/ludicrous.
A student intentionally broke his leg with a makeshift weapon over a period of 15s, because of the student's anger/frustration at the professor and the specific encouragement, and also because of the student's personal situation. The student did not misunderstand the encouragement.

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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:09 pm

Does the encouragement pertain to: skill? Luck? Optimism? Doing one's best? Is it given before doing something? When doing something? After having done something? When failing? After failing? When succeeding? After success?
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby Earnest » Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:29 pm

and doesn't tell the listener to do something impossible/ludicrous.----> did it tell something that was possible for the most but not for the student that broke his leg?
Is the fact that the leg was broken rather than another part of Prof's body relevant?
Was the encouragement applicable to him? Some relevant relation between student and Professor a part of the fact that one presumably teaches to the other? Relevant whether the student was a good or a bad student? Did he relevantly failed Prof's exams many times? Did he hear the encouragement more than once? More than other students in the class? Did he try in the past to apply the encouragement's suggestions without success? Maybe with the same Professor?

Is the encouragement composed by a single long sentence? A single short sentence? A single word/phrase? Is the encouragement a quote from a famous writer?More sentences? Is it a common encouragement similar in any part of the world?
Is the encouragement valid when someone loose a match? When someone is unlucky?
Is the encouragement something like: "if A (e.g. the Prof) was able to do this, you'll be able to do those other things"?
Or "Don't give up and keep try?" or "Cheer up!"? or "there is nothing impossible in life"?

Relevant which was the occasion that caused him to give the encouragement to his students? Was it due to a fact that afflicted all the class? Just a part of the class? A single student? The student who broke his leg?
Guess--> maybe the fact that the Professor gave the encouragement to the whole class for something that the student has done, provoked embarrassment on the student?
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby SurfingPikachu » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:03 pm

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Does the encouragement pertain to: skill? No Luck? No Optimism? This, as it probably is for all encouragements Doing one's best? No-ish Is it given before doing something? Possibly When doing something? Possibly After having done something? Possibly When failing? Possibly After failing? Possibly When succeeding? Probably not After success? Probably not

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and doesn't tell the listener to do something impossible/ludicrous.----> did it tell something that was possible for the most but not for the student that broke his leg? It is not worded to tell the listener to do something
Is the fact that the leg was broken rather than another part of Prof's body relevant? Only so slightly
Was the encouragement applicable to him? Yes Some relevant relation between student and Professor a part of the fact that one presumably teaches to the other? No Relevant whether the student was a good or a bad student? Did he relevantly failed Prof's exams many times? He was struggling for a certain reason Did he hear the encouragement more than once? Many times More than other students in the class? No Did he try in the past to apply the encouragement's suggestions without success? No Maybe with the same Professor? No

Is the encouragement composed by a single long sentence? A single short sentence? A single sentence with seven words A single word/phrase? Is the encouragement a quote from a famous writer? I had to Google this and was surprised that it is attributed to someone notable whose job required writing More sentences? Is it a common encouragement similar in any part of the world? Very common English encouragement. (English as in language, not country) I don't know about other parts of the word, but fwiw I also speak Chinese natively yet can't quickly come up with something similar.
Is the encouragement valid when someone loose a match? Possibly When someone is unlucky? Possibly
Is the encouragement something like: "if A (e.g. the Prof) was able to do this, you'll be able to do those other things"? No
Or "Don't give up and keep try?" Somewhat or "Cheer up!"? All encouragements could be this? or "there is nothing impossible in life"? No-ish
Disclaimer: previous answers measured using the SurfingPikachu Encouragement Scale. Results may differ with other metrics of similarity.

Relevant which was the occasion that caused him to give the encouragement to his students? No, many occasions Was it due to a fact that afflicted all the class? Just a part of the class? A single student? The student who broke his leg? No to all, a very general encouragement a teacher would give frequently
Guess--> maybe the fact that the Professor gave the encouragement to the whole class for something that the student has done, provoked embarrassment on the student? No
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby Earnest » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:31 pm

So...let's reason about the student's action.

Since it was a common encouragement every teacher would give, the reason of the student's act is attributable or to the frequency with which the teacher repeated the encouragement, to the particular situation in which the teacher gave the encouragement, a personal feeling when he heard the encouragement. Any of these?

Supposing the third possibility is the most probable from above answers, can it be that he tried to apply the encouragement suggestions in his personal life?
student's personal situation --> familiar situation? Physical situation? Some diseases? ..ok maybe stupid...was him color blind and the encouragement was about being the world in colors rather than in black-and-white?
Did the Professor make some allusion while telling the encouragement?

Was the student frustrated from something school related? Exams? Or for his personal life? Was him poor? Was him forced to abandon the school? Was him victim of an injustice? Had the Prof made the encouragement another day/in another moment, would he have broken his leg? Did the student need to rush? To go away? Was him forced to stay in the classroom? Was him discovered after? Relevant? Does the fact that he broke his Prof's leg brought him advantages? If so long-term advantages? Very short term advantages? Like allow him to do something? Or was it simply an act due to frustration without any other aim?
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby trebor » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:50 pm

I would think that 15 seconds would be quite a long time for the process of the breaking to occur over. I'm thinking that something like hitting a leg with a sledgehammer would result in a. Real that takes a few milliseconds to happen. Was this method of breaking the bone particularly torturous?

Was the student struggling because of school-related issues? Employment/financial issues? Relationship issues? Family life? Other? The student was a H?A?M? I've had the thought that the student could be a dog or other pet and Prof. Smith could moonlight as an obedience instructor, but the thing about high school being to young made me pretty confident the student was a human.
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:03 pm

Did the encouragement include any of these words/phrases - try? determined/determination? conquer? struggle? pain? win/winning? lose/losing? proof? goal? give up?

Was the student's original motive just to prove a point to the prof? Or to cause injury to him? Or to demonstrate to the prof and other students that sometimes a well-meaning encouragement can backfire?

Did the student feel sorry for injuring the prof? Had he intended to cause more injury than just a broken leg?
Had the student seen anyone else perform the action that he did with the prof? Like maybe the student enjoyed watching professional wrestling, and demonstrated a wrestling maneuver (like a "pile driver") on the prof?
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby SurfingPikachu » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:15 pm

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So...let's reason about the student's action.

Since it was a common encouragement every teacher would give I wouldn't say *every*, the reason of the student's act is attributable or to the frequency with which the teacher repeated the encouragement partly, to the particular situation in which the teacher gave the encouragement not really, a personal feeling when he heard the encouragement a lot of this. Any of these?

Supposing the third possibility is the most probable from above answers, can it be that he tried to apply the encouragement suggestions in his personal life? No he did not
student's personal situation i.e. unrelated to school, related to personal/family life --> familiar situation? Physical situation? What are "familiar" or "physical" situations? Some diseases? I could change the story to make "diseases" work, but let's go with "accident" instead ..ok maybe stupid...was him color blind and the encouragement was about being the world in colors rather than in black-and-white? No
Did the Professor make some allusion while telling the encouragement? No

Was the student frustrated from something school related? Partly Exams? Partly Or for his personal life? Partly Was him poor? Technically yes, technically relevant, probably FA-inducing (Money solves many problems) Was him forced to abandon the school? No Was him victim of an injustice? No-ish Had the Prof made the encouragement another day/in another moment, would he have broken his leg? He made it many times though Did the student need to rush? To go away? Was him forced to stay in the classroom? Was him discovered after? Relevant? Again, no specific incident related to the encouragement Does the fact that he broke his Prof's leg brought him advantages? Depends who you ask If so long-term advantages? Very short term advantages? Like allow him to do something? Or was it simply an act due to frustration without any other aim? It had a specific aim

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I would think that 15 seconds would be quite a long time for the process of the breaking to occur over. I'm thinking that something like hitting a leg with a sledgehammer would result in a. Real that takes a few milliseconds to happen. Was this method of breaking the bone particularly torturous?
Er... DOYD I guess. Not too important. The student hit the prof's leg repeatedly with a makeshift weapon for around 15s, with the end result being that the prof's leg was broken.

Was the student struggling because of school-related issues? Partly Employment/financial issues? Partly Relationship issues? Family life? Partly Other? The student was a H?A?M? HM yes, A maybe barely I've had the thought that the student could be a dog or other pet and Prof. Smith could moonlight as an obedience instructor, but the thing about high school being to young made me pretty confident the student was a human.

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Did the encouragement include any of these words/phrases - try? determined/determination? conquer? struggle? pain? win/winning? lose/losing? proof? goal? give up? No to all

Was the student's original motive just to prove a point to the prof? Yes! Or to cause injury to him? Also yes Or to demonstrate to the prof and other students that sometimes a well-meaning encouragement can backfire? Also yes

Did the student feel sorry for injuring the prof? No Had he intended to cause more injury than just a broken leg? Not much more
Had the student seen anyone else perform the action that he did with the prof? Like maybe the student enjoyed watching professional wrestling, and demonstrated a wrestling maneuver (like a "pile driver") on the prof? No to these


*** RECAP ***
Prof. Smith had his leg broken because of an encouragement he gives his students.
Prof. Smith teaches in a university, subject irrelevant. He repeated this encouragement a lot in various scenarios, inside a classroom.
The specific encouragement is important. The manner of giving the encouragement is not important. The encouragement is a general-purpose, commonly-heard encouragement. It is a single English sentence with seven words. It is not an idiom and not worded to tell the listener to do something. It doesn't pertain to skill or luck.
A student hit the prof's leg repeatedly with a makeshift weapon for around 15s, with the end result being that the prof's leg was broken.
He was angry/frustrated at the professor, the specific encouragement, and the frequency in which it was made, and also had school-related, family-related, and financial problems. (To be clear, these were side-effects of a specific situation the student faced.) An accident is also somehow relevant.
The student did not misunderstand the encouragement nor attempt to apply it. He wanted to injure the prof to prove a point about how the encouragement can backfire, and he was not sorry afterwards.

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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:32 pm

Did the student have a broken leg? Some other kind of temporary injury?
Or did the student have a long term injury or handicap? Was the student in a wheelchair? Wearing a cast?

Did the student think the prof was being insensitive when he gave the encouragement? Ignorant? Over-confident? Unaware that the encouragement might not apply to all people who heard it?

So during this 15-second time frame, was the student performing one action only? Or a sequence of actions?
In other words, did the student begin some action, and after 15 seconds of that same action the prof's leg was broken? Or did the student perform a series of actions, and it was the action at about the 15 second mark that caused the prof's leg to break?

Did the prof expect the student to perform any action at all? Did the student say anything relevant at any time?
Did the student challenge the prof somehow? Make it obvious that he disagreed with the prof?

Did the student throw the makeshift weapon at the prof at any time? Hold it in his hand/hands? Strike the prof with it? Was it a crutch/crutches? Did the student run over the prof with his wheelchair?
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby SurfingPikachu » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:05 pm

Did the student have a broken leg? Some other kind of temporary injury?
Or did the student have a long term injury or handicap? Was the student in a wheelchair? Wearing a cast? No to all

Did the student think the prof was being insensitive when he gave the encouragement? Ignorant? Over-confident? Unaware that the encouragement might not apply to all people who heard it? Slight yes-ish to all? Edit: or maybe a proper "partly yes" to all.

So during this 15-second time frame, was the student performing one action only? Or a sequence of actions?
In other words, did the student begin some action, and after 15 seconds of that same action the prof's leg was broken? Or did the student perform a series of actions, and it was the action at about the 15 second mark that caused the prof's leg to break?
The student was just hitting the prof's leg repeatedly. There is nothing more to explore here. If the phrasing is awkward, it is just because it is awkward to specify exactly which hit caused the leg break, and it doesn't really matter.

Did the prof expect the student to perform any action at all? Did the student say anything relevant at any time? While hitting the prof, he repeated the encouragement
Did the student challenge the prof somehow? Make it obvious that he disagreed with the prof? No to rest, but mostly irr anyway

Did the student throw the makeshift weapon at the prof at any time? No Hold it in his hand/hands? Yes Strike the prof with it? Yes Was it a crutch/crutches? No Did the student run over the prof with his wheelchair? Haha, wheelchair puzzle is thataway :lol:
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:50 pm

You never know when two puzzles involving wheelchairs will be posted at the same time...

So the student was hitting the professor's leg repeatedly while repeating the encouragement, correct?
Did the prof need to be somehow detained or made immobile for this to take place? Was the prof trying to evade or elude the student?
Was the broken leg caused directly by the student hitting the prof's leg with an object? Or indirectly?
Was the student using an object that the prof did not think would cause serious injury to him?
Had the student brought the object with him with the intent of injuring the prof? Or did he creatively adapt something into a weapon?
Was the object that the student used mentioned as part of the prof's encouragement?

So the student felt like the prof's encouragement would not work for him? Because of something unique about his personal situation?
Is the personal issue related to the student's gender? Body type? Body size? Mental capacity? Strength? Race or ethnicity? Age?

Which parts of this scenario are correct or not correct -

The student and others are in a classroom with the prof
The prof speaks a certain phrase of encouragement to all the students, or certain students, or to just one student
This phrase makes one certain student feel angry, offended, frustrated and otherwise antagonistic toward the prof
The student approaches the prof while carrying an object
The student says something to the prof
The prof knows that the student is going to attack him or attempt to injure him
The student begins hitting the prof in the leg with an object
The prof tries to escape
The prof tries to discourage the student from injuring him
The prof doesn't think the student's actions will cause him injury
The prof can't respond or escape because he is incapacitated from some other kind of injury
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby SurfingPikachu » Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:16 am

CoffeeBean

So the student was hitting the professor's leg repeatedly while repeating the encouragement, correct? Yes
Did the prof need to be somehow detained or made immobile Leg injuries tend to make people immobile for this to take place? Was the prof trying to evade or elude the student? He would if he could
Was the broken leg caused directly by the student hitting the prof's leg with an object? This Or indirectly?
Was the student using an object that the prof did not think would cause serious injury to him? No
Had the student brought the object with him with the intent of injuring the prof? This Or did he creatively adapt something into a weapon? It is a makeshift weapon
Was the object that the student used mentioned as part of the prof's encouragement? The symbolism doesn't extend that far

So the student felt like the prof's encouragement would not work for him? Yope Because of something unique about his personal situation? Yope
Is the personal issue related to the student's gender? Body type? Body size? Mental capacity? Strength? Race or ethnicity? Age? No-ish to all

Which parts of this scenario are correct or not correct -

This happened many times
The student and others are in a classroom with the prof
The prof speaks a certain phrase of encouragement to all the students This, or certain students, or to just one student
This phrase makes one certain student feel angry, offended, frustrated and otherwise antagonistic toward the prof

One day,
The student approaches the prof while carrying an object
The student says something to the prof He got the drop on the prof, but irr
The prof knows that the student is going to attack him or attempt to injure him
The student begins hitting the prof in the leg with an object
The prof tries to escape
The prof tries to discourage the student from injuring him
The prof doesn't think the student's actions will cause him injury No
The prof can't respond or escape because he is incapacitated from some other kind of injury
The rest correct, but again, probably does not need to be explored in such great detail. The remaining puzzle now is why a student would be offended at a well-known encouragement.
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby Earnest » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:12 am

Personal situation-->disease? Something involving his mother?His father? Did he hear the same encouragement maybe from one of the two? To be sure...was Prof Smith just his Professor? Or was the Prof also differently (I mean out of the school) related to the boy? Did he ruin his family somehow? Like he was the lover of his mother? Or did the Prof provoke the accident?

Relevant the reason why he did it that particular day and not before? I mean if he had heard the encouragement so many times he could have break his Prof's leg also before right? So was him particularly nervous that day? Did something happened that day for which the encouragement was particularly annoying for him?

had school-related, family-related, and financial problems-->did some of his relatives die? In an accident? Was the death caused indirectly by the Prof? Guess--> I was thinking to something like the Prof was an engineer that formulated a theory about airplanes. The theory should be experimented by someone belonging to the airfare. The father of the guy was a pilot and tested the theory which reveals a total failure resulting in the death of his father.
financial problems you mean that he directly had financial problems or his family? Are the financial problems somehow related to the accident? (e.g. he had permanent damages that must be cured with an expensive medicine or something like that?)

Was the encouragement about facing the every day difficulties? Did the encouragement offend him indirectly? Like he was disable and the encouragement was about running...so my guess is...disability? Like he could not use the legs and so he wanted the Prof understand how he felt like not being able to walk?
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby Acridian9 » Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:51 pm

Did the encouragement use the phrase "break a leg"? the word "break"? the word "leg"?
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby SurfingPikachu » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:18 pm

Earnest

Personal situation-->disease? Accident Something involving his mother? This His father? Did he hear the same encouragement maybe from one of the two? No To be sure...was Prof Smith just his Professor? Yes Or was the Prof also differently (I mean out of the school) related to the boy? Did he ruin his family somehow? Like he was the lover of his mother? Or did the Prof provoke the accident? No to rest

Relevant the reason why he did it that particular day and not before? I mean if he had heard the encouragement so many times he could have break his Prof's leg also before right? So was him particularly nervous that day? Did something happened that day for which the encouragement was particularly annoying for him? Irr, he just had a bad day

had school-related, family-related, and financial problems-->did some of his relatives die? No In an accident? Accident-related Was the death caused indirectly by the Prof? No Guess--> I was thinking to something like the Prof was an engineer that formulated a theory about airplanes. The theory should be experimented by someone belonging to the airfare. The father of the guy was a pilot and tested the theory which reveals a total failure resulting in the death of his father. Haha!
financial problems you mean that he directly had financial problems or his family? In this case the same thing Are the financial problems somehow related to the accident? Yes (e.g. he had permanent damages that must be cured with an expensive medicine or something like that?) Something like that

Was the encouragement about facing the every day difficulties? Kinda Did the encouragement offend him indirectly? Kinda Like he was disable He was not though and the encouragement was about running...so my guess is...disability? Like he could not use the legs and so he wanted the Prof understand how he felt like not being able to walk? Kinda similar, but not this

Acridian9

Did the encouragement use the phrase "break a leg"? the word "break"? the word "leg"?
HA HA! I was wondering when someone would ask that! ...No :P :lol:


*** RECAP ***
Prof. Smith had his leg broken because of an encouragement he gives his students.
Prof. Smith teaches in a university, subject irrelevant. He repeated this encouragement a lot in various scenarios, inside a classroom.
The specific encouragement is important. The manner of giving it is not important. It is a general-purpose, commonly-heard encouragement. It is a single English sentence with seven words. It is not an idiom and not worded to tell the listener to do something. It doesn't pertain to skill or luck. It could pertain to everyday difficulties. It is not "break a leg".
A student hit the prof's leg repeatedly with a makeshift weapon, while repeating the encouragement, for around 15s, thus breaking the prof's leg. The exact makeshift weapon is irrelevant.
He was angry/frustrated at the professor, the specific encouragement, and the frequency in which it was made. He thought that the professor was insensitive, ignorant, and over-confident when giving the encouragement, which was not applicable to all listeners, including him/his family. The student's mother, not the student, was involved in an accident, but did not die. The accident caused him/his family to struggle financially, which affected his schooling.
The student did not misunderstand the encouragement nor attempt to apply it. He wanted to injure the prof to prove a point about how the encouragement can backfire, and he was not sorry afterwards.
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby Earnest » Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:36 pm

was his mother disable? Did the encouragement involve the words: get up?E.g. "get up after having fallen"? Stand up? Accident?Or something like transforming your disabilities in abilities ( to mean take advantage of each situation)? Or like every accident/disgrace is temporary? Or again (I don't know if it exists in english) there is always the sun after the storm?

Relevant how the accident happened? Was it a car accident? An accident involving a manmade vehicle? Or did she fall down the stairs? Did she broke both her legs? One leg?

which was not applicable to all listeners, including him/his family--> it's not applicable if taken literally? If taken metaphorically? (e.g. get up after having fallen in the literal sense or metaphorically in the sense of never give up)
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby trebor » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:52 pm

"Put one foot before the other"? "Get a leg up on the situation"?
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby SurfingPikachu » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:05 am

Earnest

was his mother disable? Yes, permanently bedridden Did the encouragement involve the words: get up?E.g. "get up after having fallen"? Stand up? Accident?Or something like transforming your disabilities in abilities ( to mean take advantage of each situation)? Or like every accident/disgrace is temporary? Or again (I don't know if it exists in english) there is always the sun after the storm? No to rest, but OTRT

Relevant how the accident happened? No Was it a car accident? This An accident involving a manmade vehicle? Or did she fall down the stairs? Did she broke both her legs? One leg?

which was not applicable to all listeners, including him/his family--> it's not applicable if taken literally? If taken metaphorically? (e.g. get up after having fallen in the literal sense or metaphorically in the sense of never give up) The encouragement does not use any metaphors. It is meant to be literal. But it is clearly false, and the student's situation is one example.

trebor

"Put one foot before the other"? "Get a leg up on the situation"? Neither, and the encouragement does not involve body parts.


All the important facts have come to light, and what's left now is to figure out the encouragement.
The major clue is that the encouragement makes a literal statement that is clearly false, with the student's situation being one example.
The student's mother was involved in a car accident, and did not die but was permanently bedridden. This put the family in a very bad financial situation, which then spilt over to other parts of the student's life.
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby Earnest » Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:25 am

Something like every disgrace cannot have long term consequences? The relevant part of the encouragement is mostly concerned on the car accident "per se" or on the concatenation of the events that the car accident provoked?

is it: " every cloud has a silver lining.", ..damn...6 words...but I'll try...or..." what doesn't kill you make you stronger"?
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby trebor » Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:47 am

Does the statement have anything to do with vehicles? Transportation? Working hard? Parenthood? Being someone's child? With money? Schooling? Is it an if/then statement?
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg!

Postby SurfingPikachu » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:03 am

trebor

Does the statement have anything to do with vehicles? Transportation? Working hard? Indirectly Parenthood? Being someone's child? With money? Schooling? Is it an if/then statement? Indirectly
No to rest

Earnest

Something like every disgrace cannot have long term consequences? OTRT The relevant part of the encouragement is mostly concerned on the car accident "per se" or on the concatenation of the events that the car accident provoked? Both

is it: " every cloud has a silver lining.", ..damn...6 words...but I'll try...or..." what doesn't kill you make you stronger"? Yes!!!!! You got it!


***** SPOILER *****
Prof. Smith cared deeply about teaching, but he was also a Prof-From-Hell, giving students weekly assignment workloads that far exceeded the entire semestral workload for other courses. He sincerely believed that students learn best by doing, and only by pushing themselves to the limit would they get a leg up 8-) in society. Oh how the students complained bitterly, but Prof. Smith would always deflect these complaints with "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger!"

Unbeknownst to Prof. Smith, he had a student, Brian, who had a very unfortunate background. Brian was brought up by a single mother, who barely made enough to get by and put Brian through school. Disaster struck when Brian's mother met with a car accident, and while she didn't die, she was left totally paralysed, bedridden, and entirely unable to care for herself. In addition to getting a job to replace the lost income while still attending classes, Brian also had to spend a lot of time caring for his mother, and his grades slipped drastically, but he barely held on every year.

That is, until he entered Prof. Smith's class. Already on his last legs :roll:, Brian was now totally unable to cope, and every time he asked for a lesser workload, Prof. Smith would add insult to injury with his "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger!" Brian felt that that was clearly false, as the fateful car accident that had failed to kill his mother still left her and the family greatly weakened.

One particularly bad day, having gone half-crazy from the stress and receiving yet another monstrous assignment along with the familiarly dreadful encouragement, Brian finally snapped. He would teach the prof just how wrong those words truly were. He knew that the prof had a routine of jogging that would take him through some secluded woods, so he took his old baseball bat and lay in wait behind a very large tree.

As the prof jogged past, Brian shoulder-charged him to the ground and began wailing on his legs, screaming the words that had tormented him for so long. Unable to escape, the prof curled up into a sideways fetal position, arms over head, and Brian focused on the legs to avoid accidentally striking the head and killing the prof, which would defeat the point of the lesson. By the time he was finished with one leg, the prof had blacked out, and Brian, who had originally intended to take out all four limbs, now felt his adrenaline fading and realised the gravity of his actions. Looking at the fainted prof, he threw a Pokeball, I mean, he began to suspect that perhaps unlike in Hollywood, people could actually die in real life from sufficient blunt trauma to the limbs. He took the prof's cellphone and called for help, then made his escape.

Brian was eventually arrested, with a community lawyer pleading mitigation. Prof. Smith eventually recovered, and gave several talks on his ordeal, his teaching philosophy, and his interpretation of his famous encouragement, donating the proceeds to caring for Brian's mother.


Thanks to everyone who played, and hope you have enjoyed yourself!
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg! (*BROKEN*)

Postby Earnest » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:17 am

haha! I hoped to redeem myself after that Juan found the way to make fun of me ;)
Very nice puzzle! Thanks
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg! (*BROKEN*)

Postby SurfingPikachu » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:24 am

Haha, good job on that! :D
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg! (*BROKEN*)

Postby Balin » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:40 pm

I HATE THAT PHRASE.

Great puzzle.
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Re: [SurfingPikachu] Break a leg! (*BROKEN*)

Postby SurfingPikachu » Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:11 am

Like Juan, Brian would later make his way to the LTPF forums, going by a handle that was almost an anagram of his name.....
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