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[Balin] Here goes nothin', Kid Icarus

Postby Balin » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:37 pm

Stemo performed an action that was stupid and dangerous. But it wasn't until he picked up a coin that he realized just how stupid he had been.

Stemo = H/A/M = all "he"s in puzzle statement
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Re: [Balin] Here goes nothin', Kid Icarus

Postby Enjay » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:47 pm

Was the action dangerous because it could have got him hurt? Killed? In trouble? Someone else killed/hurt/in trouble?

Relevant what currency the coin was? What value? Did he pick it up off the ground? Was it his coin? Was there something relevant written on the coin? A relevant image?

Did Stemo realise to any extent that the act was stupid/dangerous before he picked up the coin?
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Re: [Balin] Here goes nothin', Kid Icarus

Postby Balin » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:53 pm

Was the action dangerous because it could have got him hurt? Killed? In trouble? Any of these, but primarily sick or dead Someone else killed/hurt/in trouble? No

Relevant what currency the coin was? FA What value? FA Did he pick it up off the ground? No Was it his coin? No Was there something relevant written on the coin? Yes A relevant image? No

Did Stemo realise to any extent that the act was stupid/dangerous before he picked up the coin? No, but he should have
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Re: [Balin] Here goes nothin', Kid Icarus

Postby Enjay » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:57 pm

Does "coin" here refer to the usual sense of a small piece of money? A token of some kind? Does the coin exist in the same physical world as Stemo (as opposed to in a video game or something)?

Did Stemo perform the action alone? Was anyone else involved?

Is it relevant how long after performing the action he picked up the coin?
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Re: [Balin] Here goes nothin', Kid Icarus

Postby Balin » Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:38 am

Does "coin" here refer to the usual sense of a small piece of money? No A token of some kind? Yes Does the coin exist in the same physical world as Stemo Yes (as opposed to in a video game or something)?

Did Stemo perform the action alone? Was anyone else involved? His wife was also present; she did not perform the stupid action

Is it relevant how long after performing the action he picked up the coin? Not too long; say a matter of minutes at most
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Postby Earnest » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:06 am

Are one of those relevant: Automatic machines? Parking? Gambling?

Did Stemo think that the coin were real coins? Did he hope that? Did he want to gain more money as original purpose?
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Re: [Balin] Here goes nothin', Kid Icarus

Postby Balin » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:00 pm

Are one of those relevant: Automatic machines? Parking? Gambling? None of them

Did Stemo think that the coin were real coins? As in currency? Irrel Did he hope that? Irrel Did he want to gain more money as original purpose? No
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:13 am

Bacteria, viruses, parasites or fungi relevant? Poison? Venom? Electricity? Physical injuries? Did the wife condone the action? Was the token on the ground? Floor? Did he but the token? Did he lose it? Did someone else lose it? If he had not performed the action, would he still have picked up the token?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:57 am

Is the shape/the material of the token relevant? Would it work if it was a coin = small piece of money with a value? If not, because he then used the token somehow in a manner such that a "real coin" couldn't be exploited?

is Stemo's profession relevant? Did he pick up the token with his hands? Relevant? Is magnetism involved?
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Postby Balin » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:10 am

Bacteria, viruses, parasites or fungi relevant? None
Poison? Potentially, but in actuality No Venom? Electricity? Physical injuries? None of these
Did the wife condone the action? No
Was the token on the ground? Floor? Neither. Assume it was on a table
Did he but the token? Assuming "did he put the token there," Yes/Yope Did he lose it? No Did someone else lose it? No If he had not performed the action, would he still have picked up the token? Assume Yes

Is the shape/the material of the token relevant? No Would it work if it was a coin = small piece of money with a value? No If not, because he then used the token somehow in a manner such that a "real coin" couldn't be exploited? No

is Stemo's profession relevant? No Did he pick up the token with his hands? Yes Relevant? No Is magnetism involved? No
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Re: [Balin] Here goes nothin', Kid Icarus

Postby Earnest » Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:49 am

So...are video games involved? I mean...I remember that Kid Icarus is a video game from Nintendo right? So...did he take the coins inside a video game?

Assuming not (in that Stemo is a H/A/M), was the token big as a real coin? Much More? Less? More? When he picked up the coin from the table, did he realize that he risked to die? Was it conscious about that before performing the action? Hadn't he picked up the token, would he realize how stupid he has been? Was there just a coin or more coins and he picked just one?

In picking up the coin did he read what was written on the coin? If so, did he perform a relevant action with the coin a part from this? Is the dangerous action directly related t the coin? To some chemical substance related to the coin? The coin was always placed on the table from the beginning to the end of the scene? Or maybe (I am sorry for the disgusting WAG) he regurgitated it and then he picked up?

WAGs --> Supposing that there were more than one coin...did he do something completely stupid and without any logic like eating a token? Or something like ingesting the coin or some substance related to the coin (e.g. he put the coin in the water and drink the water)?
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Postby Balin » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:07 pm

So...are video games involved? No I mean...I remember that Kid Icarus is a video game from Nintendo right? It may be, but that is not relevant. The title is a line from Peasant's Quest when you smite the Kerrek. The "protagonist" of this story is referred to (at the original source) as SMOTE - Stupidest Man On The Earth. "Stemo" is an anagram of "SMOTE," the closest sounding to a name I could think of. So...did he take the coins inside a video game? No

Assuming not (in that Stemo is a H/A/M), was the token big as a real coin? Much More? Less? More? About the same size; assume slightly larger. (I tried looking up the token's size online, and couldn't find any info pertaining to the size) When he picked up the coin from the table, did he realize that he risked to die? No Was it conscious about that before performing the action? No Hadn't he picked up the token, would he realize how stupid he has been? No Was there just a coin or more coins and he picked just one? Only one

In picking up the coin did he read what was written on the coin? Yes If so, did he perform a relevant action with the coin a part from this? No Is the dangerous action directly related t the coin? Indirectly To some chemical substance related to the coin? Yes The coin was always placed on the table from the beginning to the end of the scene? No Or maybe (I am sorry for the disgusting WAG) he regurgitated it and then he picked up? Also No

WAGs --> Supposing that there were more than one coin... There is only one coin did he do something completely stupid and without any logic like eating a token? He did not eat the token, No Or something like ingesting the coin or some substance related to the coin (e.g. he put the coin in the water and drink the water)? YES, but not this example (and he did not ingest the coin)
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Postby biograd » Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:08 pm

Was this token meant to be redeemed for something of value? to act as a marker/label for something?

Did the writing on the token reveal that it had previously been in a place where one could expect dangerous substances to be? or that something else, that had been found in the same place as the token, was likely contaminated?
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Re: [Balin] Here goes nothin', Kid Icarus

Postby Earnest » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:58 am

Relevant where the coin was before being on the table? Was it on something that could be considered edible or drinkable or something connected to food/drink?

could he read what was written on the coin? Or was it unreadable due to rust? Due to some other process? Are allergies relevant? Did he use the coin to test whether a substance was present in a food or drink (like the coin had rust and he try to put some coke on it making the rust vanish)?
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Postby Balin » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:58 pm

Was this token meant to be redeemed for something of value? to act as a marker/label for something? This

Did the writing on the token reveal that it had previously been in a place where one could expect dangerous substances to be? Yes, svv of "dangerous" or that something else, that had been found in the same place as the token, was likely contaminated? No, but not too far from the mark

Relevant where the coin was before being on the table? Yes Was it on something that could be considered edible Only to Stemo; no one else would think this edible or drinkable or something connected to food/drink?

could he read what was written on the coin? YesOr was it unreadable due to rust? Due to some other process?
Are allergies relevant? No
Did he use the coin to test whether a substance was present in a food or drink (like the coin had rust and he try to put some coke on it making the rust vanish)? No
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Postby Earnest » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:44 pm

Relevant where the coin was before being on the table? Yes --> first of all...did it belong to someone else than Stemo or his wife? If not, was it in Stemo's pocket or in his wife's one? Was it on the floor? Was the coin new? Old? Relevant? Is it a unique token?

Relevant what they were doing before picking up the token? Were them (Stemo and his wife) eating? Did something they were eating fall? And Stemo gather it? Were them in a restaurant? Were them eating something relevant?

Was Stemo aware of the presence of the token before performing the relevant stupid action? If so, was him aware of what was written on the token? Was there something written or drawn? Like a skeleton or something indicating danger?

could he read what was written on the coin? Yes--> was it a number? Something indicating danger in general? was it something related to what he ate? To the substance? Was the substance iron? asbestos? gold? a metal?

RECAP: Stemo eats something. The token somehow was put (by Stemo?) on the table. Stemo reads what was written on the token. Stemo is aware of the stupidity of his action. Right?
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Postby Balin » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:39 pm

Relevant where the coin was before being on the table? Yes --> first of all...did it belong to someone else than Stemo or his wife? YES, good question If not, was it in Stemo's pocket or in his wife's one? Neither Was it on the floor? No Was the coin new? Fairly new Old? Relevant? Not really Is it a unique token? No

Relevant what they were doing before picking up the token? Yes Were them (Stemo and his wife) eating? Stemo ate (it might be more accurate to say "tasted") something; his wife didn't
Did something they were eating fall? And Stemo gather it? Were them in a restaurant? No to these
Were them eating something relevant? Stemo was, but see above

Was Stemo aware of the presence of the token before performing the relevant stupid action? No If so, was him aware of what was written on the token? Only after he picked it up Was there something written or drawn? Relevantly, written Like a skeleton or something indicating danger? No

could he read what was written on the coin? Yes--> was it a number? No Something indicating danger in general? No was it something related to what he ate? Yes To the substance? Yes Was the substance iron? asbestos? gold? a metal? None of these

RECAP: Stemo eats something. The token somehow was put (by Stemo?) on the table. Stemo reads what was written on the token. Stemo is aware of the stupidity of his action. Right? Right
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Re: [Balin] Here goes nothin', Kid Icarus

Postby biograd » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:46 pm

Was the "token" one of those pendants that is placed on a pet's collar to give the pet's name and the owner's phone number? Was it next to some pet food?
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Postby Balin » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:40 am

Was the "token" one of those pendants that is placed on a pet's collar to give the pet's name and the owner's phone number? No, but not a bad idea Was it next to some pet food? No
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Postby Earnest » Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:30 am

Does the token belong to an animal? A human being? If to a human being, is him/her related to Stemo/his wife? Does it belong to someone who was present when Stemo performed the stupid action? Did it belong to someone who was death? Alive? Is Stemo aware of the fact that the coin belong to someone else before reading the coin? Were Stemo and his wife alone?

Relevant where they were? Were them in a church?

After having ingested the substance, was Stemo supposed to read the coin? Or the opposite: that is, the stupid action was due to the fact that Stemo was supposed to read the coin before eating the substance? I mean...is it relevant the reason why he took the coin? Was him supposed to take it? Or did someone give him? Did the coin indicate what was inside a box? What was inside something? To whom the coin belongs? Can it be considered a medal? A military medal?

Is the substance he ate organic? Poisonous? Is trash involved? Dust?
Was the substance he tasted the pure substance? Something made by that substance? Something solid? Liquid? Bigger than a football ball? Smaller?
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Postby Balin » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:39 pm

Does the token belong to an animal? A human being? This If to a human being, is him/her related to Stemo/his wife? No Does it belong to someone who was present when Stemo performed the stupid action? ...Yes Did it belong to someone who was death? This Alive? Is Stemo aware of the fact that the coin belong to someone else before reading the coin? No Were Stemo and his wife alone? Yes

Relevant where they were? No Were them in a church? No

After having ingested the substance, was Stemo supposed to read the coin? Or the opposite: that is, the stupid action was due to the fact that Stemo was supposed to read the coin before eating the substance? The stupid action was Stemo tasting the substance at all I mean...is it relevant the reason why he took the coin? Yes Was him supposed to take it? Or did someone give him? Neither Did the coin indicate what was inside a box? What was inside something? This To whom the coin belongs? Also this Can it be considered a medal? A military medal? Neither

Is the substance he ate organic? Yes Poisonous? No Is trash involved? No Dust? Yes, explore
Was the substance he tasted the pure substance? Yes Something made by that substance? Something solid? This Liquid? Bigger than a football ball? Smaller? It had gone from bigger to smaller before Stemo tasted it
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Postby Earnest » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:53 pm

well...death man and dust let me think about a funeral urn or something like that, right?
If not, was the death person cremated? Did Stemo taste the dust = the death man?

WAG--> was the man cremated and all but the coin burned? So Stemo ate the dust and found the coin? Or something like he didn't ate the coin but he introduced it in his mouth?
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Re: [Balin] Here goes nothin', Kid Icarus

Postby Balin » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:56 pm

well...death man and dust let me think about a funeral urn or something like that, right?
If not, was the death person cremated? Did Stemo taste the dust = the death man? Bingo.

****SPOILER****

Again, from the "things I learn from my patients" thread:

Ex-spouse (SMOTE - Stupidest Man On The Earth) actually tasted the white powder in a can that washed up on the Jersey shore in 1975. Landlord went beachcombing after a big storm and found a large, baked bean type can without labels, marks, or identification. Upon opening there was a clear plastic bag with white powder in it. Stupid tasted it - 3 times, mind you - and declared in his most authoritative voice that he did not know what it was. Neither did I - but I had my suspicions (which proved to be very wrong) - and was not tasting the unknown white powder.
After pouring it all out on the table (which to this day I still do not understand the 'why' for that action) we all heard a metallic 'thunk'. Discovering the brass coin in the pile of we discovered the nature of the white powder.
The coin was from some north Jersey crematorium. So - mystery solved. We knew what the powder was - just not who. Important lesson learned: do not taste anything - or anyone - if you don't know the origin.
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Re: [Balin] Here goes nothin', Kid Icarus (*IDENTIFIED*)

Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:02 am

Very nice! Thanks!!!
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