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[Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Balin » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:37 am

Wrong even in italics
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Earnest » Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:32 am

Is it something written? A word? A letter? A sentrnce? A name? A surname? A date? A number? If so written on paper? On a computer? Italics as to emphasize? Is it usually written in italics? If so for instance on menus?

Wrong =wrongly written? With a wrong meaning? Metaphorically wrong (e.g. be violent is always wrong....)? Wrong in the word italics? Wrong for a specific purpose? To be printed? Would it be wrong in block or capital letters?

Even in italics= it can be expected to be wrong in other styles but it is unusual that it is wrong in italics?

Is it always wrong when written? Is there a style in which it is not wrong? Does its validity depend on the style in which it is written? Is it an english word?
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Balin » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:02 pm

There are two parts to the statement: the part that is "wrong," and the part that is "even in italics." For the below answers, red refers to "wrong," and blue to "even in italics."

Is it something written? No Yes A word? No Yes, but the word is part of a phrase A letter? No No A sentence? No See above A name? Yes No A surname? A date? A number? No to these for both
If so written on paper? On a computer? ...on a screen Italics as to emphasize? No Is it usually written in italics? In certain situations If so for instance on menus? No

Wrong = wrongly written? With a wrong meaning? Metaphorically wrong (e.g. be violent is always wrong....)? Wrong in the word italics? Wrong for a specific purpose? To be printed? "Wrong" as in "incorrect" Would it be wrong in block or capital letters? Yes

Even in italics = it can be expected to be wrong in other styles but it is unusual that it is wrong in italics? No

Is it always wrong when written? FA, see above Is there a style in which it is not wrong? No Does its validity depend on the style in which it is written? No Is it an english word? See above
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Earnest » Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:34 am

So the sentence "wrong even in italics" refers to a name and a word in a phrase, which is different from the name and cannot be rephrase d as "the name is wrong even in italics", right? Or can we say that the name represented by "wrong" is also a word that, even when written in italics, is wrong? E.g. sunny as sun or sonething like that (which is not wrong in italics but it is to give a taste of what I meant with a name that is also a common word)

Can the part that is "wrong" be "even in italics" and continue to be wrong?

Even in otalics = it is wrong even when written in italics? Is it usual to see the word in italics on Tv? On screens in general? At cinemas? On phones? Is it a brand? Does it represent a firm?

Wrong = misspelled? With a wrong meaning? Wrongly pronounced? Wrongly translated from another language? Wrongly translated from english?
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Balin » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:20 pm

So the sentence "wrong even in italics" refers to a name and a word in a phrase Yes (the name is not part of the phrase) which is different from the name Yes and cannot be rephrased as "the name is wrong even in italics", right? Yes Or can we say that the name represented by "wrong" is also a word that, even when written in italics, is wrong? No E.g. sunny as sun or sonething like that (which is not wrong in italics but it is to give a taste of what I meant with a name that is also a common word) No

Can the part that is "wrong" be "even in italics" No and continue to be wrong?

Even in otalics = it is wrong even when written in italics? Yes (remember, the italics part is not what's wrong)
Is it usual to see the word in italics on Tv? Yesish; No to rest On screens in general? At cinemas? On phones? Is it a brand? Does it represent a firm?

Wrong = misspelled? With a wrong meaning? Wrongly pronounced? Wrongly translated from another language? Wrongly translated from english? None of these; just "incorrect"
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Earnest » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:06 am

is the word "WRONG" per se relevant? Is it a sort of pun with sentence of the puzzle?

Is it relevant the reason why the two sentences are not divided? I mean, if there are two statements referring to two different things, could the puzzle be rephrased as:

1) wrong
2) even in italics

or

1) wrong even
2) in italics

without loosing any info?

Name = name of a person? name of an object? name of a brand? name of someone famous? name of something? Name of a city? Of a State?
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Balin » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:21 pm

is the word "WRONG" per se relevant? Is it a sort of pun with sentence of the puzzle? No to both

Is it relevant the reason why the two sentences are not divided? Yes I mean, if there are two statements referring to two different things The two things are different but they are not completely unrelated could the puzzle be rephrased as:

1) wrong
2) even in italics
This, but again, they aren't unrelated

or

1) wrong even
2) in italics

without loosing any info?

Name = name of a person? This name of an object? name of a brand? name of someone famous? This, but... name of something? Name of a city? (This is also relevant, but is not the name in question!) Of a State?
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Balin » Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:17 am

HINT:
"Wrong" refers to an answer.
"Even in italics" refers to part of a question.

Also, the title is somewhat relevant.
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Earnest » Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:03 am

first of all...are puns / english ways of talking/ slang involved? In that case I am afraid not to be te right person to solve the puzzle xD

then...I am confused...so wrong refers to the name of a person...and refers to an answer...so is like to say "is him John? Wrong" ... or is "wrong" the answer to a question which is always wrong?...can it be "not right even in italics"?

instruction in manners = how to behave right? In certain situations? such formal situations? or always?

is the part of the question even in italics have as answer the answer to which wrong is referred?

"Even in italics" refers to part of a question--> which is written on a screen right? so the whole question is written on a screen or just the part in italics? Or is the whole question in italics? Relevant why just a part of the question is taken? Does the question refer to certain manners that should be undertaken in certain situations?
Is the question rhetorical? Like the advertisement agains something: e.g. against piracy (I remember something like "would you steal a bag?"...)
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Postby Balin » Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:23 pm

first of all...are puns / english ways of talking/ slang involved? No In that case I am afraid not to be te right person to solve the puzzle xD

then...I am confused...so wrong refers to the name of a person...and refers to an answer... Yes; the name of the person is the answer so is like to say "is him John? Wrong" ... or is "wrong" the answer to a question which is always wrong? See previous ...can it be "not right even in italics"? Yes

instruction in manners = how to behave right? In certain situations? such formal situations? or always?

is the part of the question even in italics have as answer the answer to which wrong is referred? Yope

"Even in italics" refers to part of a question--> which is written on a screen right? Yes so the whole question is written on a screen or just the part in italics? Yes Or is the whole question in italics? No part of the question is in italics Relevant why just a part of the question is taken? FA Does the question refer to certain manners that should be undertaken in certain situations? No
Is the question rhetorical? No Like the advertisement agains something: e.g. against piracy (I remember something like "would you steal a bag?"...) I remember that advert, but No

To clear ambiguity or confusion, here's an expanded puzzle statement:
"The answer was wrong, even if part of the question had been in italics."
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Westing1992 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:49 pm

Would the italics cause part of the question to become the title of a book/play/movie/etc.?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:12 pm

someone famous = an actor? a singer? a football player? A thinker? A professor? an historical figure? someone who died? someone still alive?

Is the question part of a test? part of a tv show? Screen = a touch screen? screen of a tablet? of an electronic device? If so an electronic device which is usually exploited in houses? In specific places of work?
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Balin » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:49 pm

Would the italics cause part of the question to become the title of a book/play/movie/etc.? Yes (a TV show)

someone famous = an actor? a singer? a football player? A thinker? A professor? an historical figure? someone who died? someone still alive? This-ish, FA, No to rest. However, "a historical figure who died" is also relevant

Is the question part of a test? part of a tv show? This
Screen = a touch screen? screen of a tablet? of an electronic device? If so an electronic device which is usually exploited in houses? In specific places of work? It's part of the game show set
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Westing1992 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:34 am

Wait... the question's part of a TV show... and the italics are the title of a TV show? Are they the same show?
Is the game show Jeopardy? Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? Family Feud? Wheel of Fortune? Relevant?
Is this based on an actual wrong game show answer? Was the question about a topic unitalicized; the contestant responded as if it were italicized and referring to a TV show; but the answer they gave would have been wrong either way?
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Earnest » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:35 am

tv show...so are there many other answers with the one that is wrong? If so, are all the other answers names? is there a right answer to the question? If so, is it displayed on the screen of the tv show?

topic: history? WWI? WWII? after WWI/WWII? before? science? entertainment? sport? cinema? is the historical figure who died someone who was interpreted by an actor? e.g. Washington?

was the question of the type: "who is the protagonist of series/movie in italics?" or "which actor interpreted this historical figure in the series/movie in italics"?
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Postby Balin » Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:51 pm

Wait... the question's part of a TV show... and the italics are the title of a TV show? Yes Are they the same show? No
Is the game show Jeopardy? Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? Family Feud? Wheel of Fortune? None of these Relevant? Somewhat. It could work with Jeopardy! in theory but not with the others given
Is this based on an actual wrong game show answer? Yes Was the question about a topic unitalicized; the contestant responded as if it were italicized and referring to a TV show; but the answer they gave would have been wrong either way? Yes, well stated
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Earnest » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:46 am

missed mine xD
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Balin » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:49 pm

missed mine xD Sorry! I've got them now.

tv show...so are there many other answers with the one that is wrong? ...there are several questions displayed on the screen, each of which has one right answer. The other questions and answers are irrelevant If so, are all the other answers names? Yes is there a right answer to the question? Yes If so, is it displayed on the screen of the tv show? Not when the question is asked

topic: history? Yes WWI? WWII? after WWI/WWII? After WWII before? science? entertainment? sport? cinema? is the historical figure who died someone who was interpreted by an actor? Yes, actors have played this person e.g. Washington? Not him though

was the question of the type: "who is the protagonist of series/movie in italics?" or "which actor interpreted this historical figure in the series/movie in italics"? Neither
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Balin » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:09 pm

RECAP:
A game show asked a question related to some part of history that took place after World War II. The contestant answered with a name, which was wrong.
No part of the question was in italics. If part of the question had been in italics, which would have given the name of a TV show, the contestant's answer would still have been wrong.
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:48 am

some part of history -->in military history? in history of music? in history in general?European history? American history? Worldwide history? a war? Vietnam relevant? a concert? an historic event involving a religious figure? a politician? Gandhi? The pope?
Twin towers? Terrorism? Apartheid? Racism? First man on the moon?

Did the event took place after the '50s? After the '70s? After the '90s? After 2004?
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:09 pm

some part of history -->in military history? in history of music? in history in general? European history? American history? This Worldwide history? a war? Vietnam relevant? a concert? an historic event involving a religious figure? a politician? Also this Gandhi? The pope?
Twin towers? Terrorism? Apartheid? Racism? First man on the moon?

Did the event took place after the '50s? This After the '70s? After the '90s? After 2004?
All unanswered are No
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:13 pm

so between '50s and '70s in American history?
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:14 pm

so between '50s and '70s in American history? Yes
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Westing1992 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:01 pm

Is the politician an American president? Eisenhower? Kennedy? Johnson? Nixon?
Was the TV show a sitcom? A drama? A talk/variety show?
Was the show airing at the time the historic event took place?
Was the question "Who shot JFK" which was interpreted as "Who shot JR"? (No, that's not a title...)
Was the city of Dallas confused with the TV show Dallas?
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Re: [Balin] An instruction in manners

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:17 pm

Was the question "Who shot JFK" which was interpreted as "Who shot JR"? (No, that's not a title...)
Was the city of Dallas confused with the TV show Dallas? You got it.

****SPOILER****

On the BBC gameshow Pointless, a contestant's answer to the question "Assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas" was "J.R." J.R. Ewing was shot in the TV show Dallas, but he did not die (and, obviously, not by Oswald), so that was still wrong.
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Re: [Balin] (*POINTED OUT*) An instruction in manners

Postby Grip » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:10 pm

That's pretty funny!
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Re: [Balin] (*POINTED OUT*) An instruction in manners

Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:22 pm

great!
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