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[Balin] Gang aft ugly

Postby Balin » Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:36 pm

A man was placed in custody because he planned ahead. Why?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:07 am

Placed in custody = arrested? As a precaution?
Planned ahed = to go away? Did he plan an illegal action? Ahed = days before? Hours before? Minutes? Seconds?

Did he use a vehicle? A car? Was he noticed in an open space? In a public space? Was he placed in custody because seen while doing suspect actions? Or while doing something that normally can be done but in a situation/near a place in which it is unusual to do it? (E.g. burn brushwood in the middle of the street)

Is the planning ahed per se an illegal action?
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Postby Balin » Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:35 pm

Placed in custody = arrested? No As a precaution? Yes
Planned ahead = to go away? In a sense Did he plan an illegal action? Yes (at least some of it) Ahead = days before? Hours before? Minutes? This Seconds?

Did he use a vehicle? No A car? No Was he noticed in an open space? Yes In a public space? No Was he placed in custody because seen while doing suspect actions? Partially, but not the main reason Or while doing something that normally can be done but in a situation/near a place in which it is unusual to do it? No (E.g. burn brushwood in the middle of the street) No

Is the planning ahead per se an illegal action? Yes (at least some of it)
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Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:58 pm

to be sure...placed in custody by police?
open space not public = the garden of his house? in his place of work? in a parking?

WAG --> was him on a roof and was preparing to jump off? I don't know those people who illegally do extreme skydiving...

plan ahed = clothing? could he plan ahed in inside? is the action part of a sport? Hobby? His work?

illegality of the action = a murder? a fraud? a robbery?
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Postby Balin » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:57 pm

to be sure...placed in custody by police? No, good question
open space not public = the garden of his house? Just outside his house in his place of work? in a parking?

WAG --> was him on a roof and was preparing to jump off? No I don't know those people who illegally do extreme skydiving... Do you mean BASE jumping? I don't know them either. If you see him around the forum, ask GalFisk.

plan ahead = clothing? No could he plan ahead in inside? Yes, and most of his planning was done inside is the action part of a sport? Hobby? His work? None of these

illegality of the action = a murder? No, but... a fraud? No a robbery? No, but...
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Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:10 pm

Were the ones/was the one taking him in custody legally enabled to do that? Did they notice him from above? (Maybe thanks to an elicopter) by spying him? From far away? (E.g. binoculars or gunsight) Were them just pedestrians? Did they already know him? Was him considered their "enemy"? Was it evident what he was planning to do? What he was preparing for?

Did they block him? Dis they hit him? Did they injure him? Did they paralize him?

Was it all part of a game? Was it all part of a bigger plan? Was he waiting for someone? Was him outside his house because that part of "planning ahed" had to be done outside? Did he use a relevant item? Weapons? Signals?
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Postby Balin » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:22 am

Were the ones/was the one taking him in custody legally enabled to do that? Yes Did they notice him from above? No (Maybe thanks to a helicopter) No by spying him? No From far away? No (E.g. binoculars or gunsight) No Were them just pedestrians? No Did they already know him? No Was him considered their "enemy"? No Was it evident what he was planning to do? Yes What he was preparing for? Yes

Did they block him? Dis they hit him? Did they injure him? Did they paralize him? Yope to this; No to rest

Was it all part of a game? No Was it all part of a bigger plan? No Was he waiting for someone? No Was him outside his house because that part of "planning ahead" had to be done outside? Yes Did he use a relevant item? Yes Weapons? In this case they could be considered weapons Signals? No
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Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:05 am

Relevant when he was planning ahed? In the night? Are dead bodies relevant? Are neighbors relevant? Did they notice him doing something illegal (e.g. constructing abusively...)?

that part of "planning ahead" had to be done outside? Yes --> outside and precisely outside his house right? So, he needed to do something like: digging a hole? Cutting down a tree? making a fire? Constructing something? Run? Physically preparing himself? Did he need a pool? Something he could find just outside his house? A dog?
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Postby Balin » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:04 pm

Relevant when he was planning ahead? Somewhat In the night? No Are dead bodies relevant? Yope Are neighbors relevant? Yes Did they notice him doing something illegal? Yes (e.g. constructing abusively...) But not this

that part of "planning ahead" had to be done outside? Yes --> outside and precisely outside his house right? Yes So, he needed to do something like: digging a hole? Cutting down a tree? making a fire? Constructing something? Run? Physically preparing himself? Did he need a pool? Something he could find just outside his house? A dog? None of these
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Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:01 pm

Dead bodies present in the outside of his house? Did the neighbors place him in custody?

Outside like on a terrace? Roof? Or in a garden? Parking? Relevant?

Was he dressed in a particular way? Like ski mask? Did the neighbors recognise him?
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Postby Balin » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:01 pm

Dead bodies present in the outside of his house? Did the neighbors place him in custody? No to both

Outside like on a terrace? Roof? Or in a garden? Parking? No to all Relevant? Exactly where he was outside his house is relevant

Was he dressed in a particular way? Yes Like ski mask? Yes, he was dressed as a burglar Did the neighbors recognise him? No
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Postby trebor » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:41 pm

I hope I'm not swooping in on a solve by Earnest, but was he practicing a forth-coming break-in by breaking into his own house? And the neighbours saw him and alerted the cops? Were the cops able to figure out what was going on and place him in custody for planning a B&E?
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Postby Balin » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:25 am

I hope I'm not swooping in on a solve by Earnest, but was he practicing a forth-coming break-in No by breaking into his own house? Yes And the neighbours saw him and alerted the cops? Yes Were the cops able to figure out what was going on Yes and place him in custody for planning a B&E? No
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Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:59 am

No prob. Trebor! The beauty of this forum is freedom!

So was he insured against thefts? Was there someone inside his house? Someone dead or alive? Did he commit a murder and wanted to hide the death body? was he placed in custody by the someone who was in his house? Maybe someone he thought death and was instead alive?
Was he planning to break a window? To break something to enter? Like the door? Or did he planned to use the keys in order not to make noise?

Planned ahed to break in?
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Postby Balin » Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:46 pm

So was he insured against thefts? Irrel, assume Yes Was there someone inside his house? Yes Someone dead or alive? Alive Did he commit a murder and wanted to hide the death body? No, but OTRT was he placed in custody by the someone who was in his house? No Maybe someone he thought death and was instead alive? YOPE/YESISH! Explore
Was he planning to break a window? To break something to enter? Like the door? Or did he planned to use the keys in order not to make noise? He forced open a window

Planned ahead to break in? No, but closer to the right track
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Postby trebor » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:31 pm

Was it his plan to murder whomever was inside the house? At the time he's spotted by the neighbours, was he inflicted violence upon this person? Is his relationship to that person relevant? Are they married? Are they romantic partners? Family? Is the person inside a child of his? Did he think this person was alive? At the moment he donned the ski mask, did he want the person alive? (Even if only so that he could kill them?)

Was OH suicidal? Was it his plan to wind up dead?
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Postby Earnest » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:25 pm

He was aware that there was someone in inside? Did he attract him/her in inside?(e.g. a phone call...) planned ahed = attract the someone in inside his house? Find a way to escape from his house after a certain action(murder?) has been done?

Relevant the reason why he didn't want to be recognized?
Was he constructing a pretext (theft) for the murder he was going to commit? Are bombs/guns/other weapons relevant? Was he placed in costudy by the someone in inside the house? Maybe he was blocked in a part of his house or outside (e.g. a gate closed, a door locked...)?

Had he not been noticed by neighbors could he have been placed in costudy?

Maybe someone he thought dead and was instead alive --> did he want him/her to be alive? Did he attempted his/her life in the past? Did he/she break into the house as well? Relevant? Did also the neighbor think he/she was dead? Relevant? Did he see the coffin but not the dead body?
Looks like a scene of Mr and Mrs Smith ahahahahha
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Postby Balin » Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:19 pm

Was OH suicidal? Was it his plan to wind up dead? YES to both!
And this clears up an ambiguity: the man himself is the "someone" who was inside his house. All questions below will be answered in light of this statement.


Was it his plan to murder whomever was inside the house? See above At the time he's spotted by the neighbours, was he inflicted violence upon this person? No, see above Is his relationship to that person relevant? Are they married? Are they romantic partners? Family? See above Is the person inside a child of his? No, see above Did he think this person was alive? Yes At the moment he donned the ski mask, did he want the person alive? (Even if only so that he could kill them?) No, see above

He was aware that there was someone in inside? Yes Did he attract him/her in inside?(e.g. a phone call...) planned ahead = attract the someone in inside his house? See above Find a way to escape from his house after a certain action(murder?) has been done? No, see above

Relevant the reason why he didn't want to be recognized? Yes
Was he constructing a pretext (theft) for the murder he was going to commit? Yes, see above Are bombs/guns/other weapons relevant? Other weapons Was he placed in custody by the someone in inside the house? No Maybe he was blocked in a part of his house or outside (e.g. a gate closed, a door locked...)? No

Had he not been noticed by neighbors could he have been placed in custody? No

Maybe someone he thought dead and was instead alive --> did he want him/her to be alive? No, see above Did he attempted his/her life in the past? No, see above Did he/she break into the house as well? See above Relevant? Did also the neighbor think he/she was dead? See above Relevant? Did he see the coffin but not the dead body? There is no coffin
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Postby Earnest » Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:44 pm

so he was placed in custody when he was outside, but he wanted to break in another time in order to kill himself? I mean...he tried to suicide once but didn't succeed so he was trying twice breaking another window? and all the scene (the fake theft) was in order to mask his real intentions to kill himself to others?
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Postby Balin » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:17 pm

so he was placed in custody when he was outside No but he wanted to break in another time in order to kill himself? No I mean...he tried to suicide once but didn't succeed so he was trying twice breaking another window? No, this was his only suicide attempt and all the scene (the fake theft) was in order to mask his real intentions to kill himself to others? Yes
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Postby trebor » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:01 pm

Did he plan to make his suicide look like a botched burglary? So that insurance money could still be paid out to loved ones? To avoid people realizing he'd been suicidal? To frame someone?
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Postby Earnest » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:29 am

Sorry...what OH suicidal stands for? :S

The fact is that...he attempted suicide, he was noticed in planning ahed outside of his house, but he was later on placed in custody in inside, right? If so, did he break the window in order to fake the theft but he was in inside (don't know if it is logic because the glasses of the broken window would go outside of his house witnessing that he broke the window from the inside, but if he live on the ground floor he could have simply sweep them in inside his house)? Or he was noticed in inside after having broken the window?
I mean...he cannot be in inside and in outside at the same time unless it happens something like he was entering from the window and was with half out of the house and with a half in inside...
so the man was noticed from the outside of his house but he was in inside?

did he live in an apartment? At the seventh floor maybe? Did he plan to die through a weapon? By falling? By hanging? By poisoning himself? Relevant the reason why he faked a theft? Because otherwise his attempt could not have been successful? I mean...once dead I don't think he is much interested to money for himself.
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Postby Balin » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:56 pm

Did he plan to make his suicide look like a botched burglary? Yes
So that insurance money could still be paid out to loved ones? To avoid people realizing he'd been suicidal? To frame someone? Motive is irrelevant. Assume the second

Sorry...what OH suicidal stands for? :S OH = "our hero," occasional LTPF-speak for the main character of a puzzle. He was asking if the man was suicidal, which was a correct guess.

The fact is that...he attempted suicide, he was noticed in planning ahead outside of his house, but he was later on placed in custody in inside, right? Yes
If so, did he break the window in order to fake the theft but he was in inside (don't know if it is logic because the glasses of the broken window would go outside of his house witnessing that he broke the window from the inside, but if he live on the ground floor he could have simply sweep them in inside his house)? He did break open the window from the outside Or he was noticed in inside after having broken the window? Yes, this
I mean...he cannot be in inside and in outside at the same time unless it happens something like he was entering from the window and was with half out of the house and with a half in inside...
so the man was noticed from the outside of his house but he was in inside? No. He was outside when he was noticed, but was later inside.

did he live in an apartment? Possibly At the seventh floor maybe? No, he lived on the ground floor
Did he plan to die through a weapon? Not a typical weapon, no By falling? By hanging? By poisoning himself? None of these; this is closest Relevant the reason why he faked a theft? Only in that he did not want people to think it was suicide Because otherwise his attempt could not have been successful? No I mean...once dead I don't think he is much interested to money for himself.
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Postby Earnest » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:07 pm

Are detergents relevant? An every day object used as weapon? Is the planning ahead related to the object with which he intended to kill himself? Did he bring it fron the outside? From the inside?

Poisoning is the closest...so something like smelling the gas coming outside of his car? Did he smell/taste something poisonous?

Noticed = he was seen? He was heard? He was first heard and then seen? Vice versa? Relevant?

And he was placed in custody = they understood he was killing himself? So the blocked him before his attempt was successfull? If so, did he try to suicide with a method that requires time in order to kill someone? (E.g. gas breathing or with a plastic bag...)
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Postby trebor » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:02 pm

Is the exact method of suicide relevant? Is it relevant how much time elapsed between him breaking the window and attempting suicide? Did the police arrive before he was actually able to begin the attempt? Did they arrive after he had started the attempt but before he had died? Is the planning ahead simply that he took steps to make it look like a burglary? If this is it, then I'm thinking that if he had attempted suicide without setting up the burglary thing first he would've been successful because there would've been no one there to stop him, as the neighbours wouldn't have seen anything to prompt them to call the PoPo. Is there more to it?

Did the police, once they arrived, contact the appropriate people (psychologists, social workers, suicide help line people, medics) who were able to come and place him in whatever care he needed?
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Postby Balin » Sun Sep 17, 2017 1:39 am

Are detergents relevant? No An every day object used as weapon? Yes Is the planning ahead related to the object with which he intended to kill himself? Yes, along with the burglary bit Did he bring it from the outside? From the inside? Neither; it was always inside

Poisoning is the closest...so something like smelling the gas coming outside of his car? Close, see below Did he smell/taste something poisonous? Yes, see below

Noticed = he was seen? This He was heard? He was first heard and then seen? Vice versa? Relevant?

And he was placed in custody = they understood he was killing himself? Yes So they blocked him before his attempt was successful? Yes If so, did he try to suicide with a method that requires time in order to kill someone? (E.g. gas breathing or with a plastic bag...) Yes, he attempted to gas himself via oven

Is the exact method of suicide relevant? Yes Is it relevant how much time elapsed between him breaking the window and attempting suicide? Yes Did the police arrive before he was actually able to begin the attempt? NoISH Did they arrive after he had started the attempt but before he had died? Yes Is the planning ahead simply that he took steps to make it look like a burglary? There's a little more than just a burglary If this is it, then I'm thinking that if he had attempted suicide without setting up the burglary thing first he would've been successful because there would've been no one there to stop him, as the neighbours wouldn't have seen anything to prompt them to call the PoPo. Is there more to it? There is more to it, as his planning was a bit more than "make it look like a burglary"

Did the police, once they arrived, contact the appropriate people (psychologists, social workers, suicide help line people, medics) who were able to come and place him in whatever care he needed? Yes, they contacted appropriate medical personnel
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Postby Earnest » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:21 am

Was it simply cut the power?

So...let's try to reconstruct the deed...supposing he started clothing and preparing in inside...

1) he wore the burglar clothing
2)he exited his house --> is part of his plan ahead to exit his house without being noticed? Relevant how he exited? Was he already masked?
3) when outside he broke the window
4) he went in inside
5he tried to kill himself with oven's gas
5) he was blocked
Is the time line correct? Or was he blocked before trying to kill himself?

his planning was a bit more than "make it look like a burglary"--> did he want to avoid that the neighbors discovered sonething else? Like that nobody was in the house? I mean...the pointjs that he didn't want that neighbors discover his attempt of suicide until he has killed himself?
Because what is confusing to me is that point: he didn'want that the neighbors know he was trying to suicide, right?
But if you simulate a burglary, at leadt unless you do not make noise, someone will call the police. Because he knew that his attempt required a certain ammount of time, which is more than the time needed for police to come, simulating the burglar per se does not make sense. Right? So my question is...planning ahead for him means that his aim was not just to simulate the burglar but to gain enough time to kill himself? For instance letting the others think that he was armed (so more time for the police to intervene for precaucionary reasons)?
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Postby Balin » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:18 am

Was it simply cut the power?

So...let's try to reconstruct the deed...supposing he started clothing and preparing in inside...

1) he wore the burglar clothing
2)he exited his house --> is part of his plan ahead to exit his house without being noticed? Relevant how he exited? Was he already masked?
3) when outside he broke the window
4) he went in inside
5he tried to kill himself with oven's gas
5) he was blocked
Is the time line correct? Or was he blocked before trying to kill himself?

his planning was a bit more than "make it look like a burglary"--> did he want to avoid that the neighbors discovered sonething else? No Like that nobody was in the house? I mean...the pointjs that he didn't want that neighbors discover his attempt of suicide until he has killed himself? Yes
Because what is confusing to me is that point: he didn'want that the neighbors know he was trying to suicide, right? Yes, or anyone
But if you simulate a burglary, at leadt unless you do not make noise, someone will call the police. Because he knew that his attempt required a certain ammount of time, which is more than the time needed for police to come, simulating the burglar per se does not make sense. Right? He didn't think anyone would see him breaking into his own house So my question is...planning ahead for him means that his aim was not just to simulate the burglar but to gain enough time to kill himself? Yes For instance letting the others think that he was armed (so more time for the police to intervene for precaucionary reasons)? No
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Postby Earnest » Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:55 pm

He didn't think anyone would see him breaking into his own house--> but he was prepared to be seen in inside right? and that the police could have been called? so is the breaking of the window part of the burglary simulation?

moreover he planned ahead from the outside right? did he want to somehow give contrasting info? he planned ahead before breaking the window right? relevant weather the window was bulletproof? The way in which he wanted to break the window? was he relevantly injured by glasses in breaking the window?

plan ahead = plan an action in order to obtain a benefit before the suicide? After? In the meantime? Just to gain time? Was the oven already turned on?
Plan ahead = he did want that the others think that he was killed by the thief? So is something like placing a mannequin involved? Impeeding that people enter from the broken window?

Placed in custody = physically immobilize him? Wait that he pass out? did someone else enter his house to place him in custody?
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Postby Balin » Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:23 pm

He didn't think anyone would see him breaking into his own house--> but he was prepared to be seen in inside right? Yes and that the police could have been called? Yes so is the breaking of the window part of the burglary simulation? Yes

moreover he planned ahead from the outside right? Only in the breaking of the window did he want to somehow give contrasting info? No he planned ahead before breaking the window right? Yes relevant weather the window was bulletproof? No, but assume it wasn't The way in which he wanted to break the window? No was he relevantly injured by glasses in breaking the window? No

plan ahead = plan an action in order to obtain a benefit before the suicide? After? In the meantime? Just to gain time? None of these, really Was the oven already turned on? YES
Plan ahead = he did want that the others think that he was killed by the thief? Yes, explore So is something like placing a mannequin involved? No Impeeding that people enter from the broken window? No

Placed in custody = physically immobilize him? Yes Wait that he pass out? No, he was unconscious did someone else enter his house to place him in custody? Yes, the police and medical professionals
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Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:09 am

he did want that the others think that he was killed by the thief? --->is the planning ahead related to this that made others understand that he was suicidal? does it mean that he has hidden some precious objects simulating also that they have been stolen? is this part of the planing ahead? is it the relevant part of the planning ahead? does it mean he wanted some injure on his body to witness that he was killed? that he put his house upside down? That he fake to have been imprisoned by the thief so that his movements got slower?

or planning ahead = turn on the oven before? did he burn himself? relevant the temperature of the oven? The time needed for the oven to reach the right temperature?
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Postby Balin » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:22 pm

he did want that the others think that he was killed by the thief? Yes --->is the planning ahead related to this that made others understand that he was suicidal? Yes does it mean that he has hidden some precious objects simulating also that they have been stolen? No is this part of the planning ahead? No/Irrel is it the relevant part of the planning ahead? No
does it mean he wanted some injure on his body to witness that he was killed? YES that he put his house upside down? He did vandalize his house, yes, but irrel That he fake to have been imprisoned by the thief so that his movements got slower? No

or planning ahead = turn on the oven before? YES
did he burn himself? relevant the temperature of the oven? The time needed for the oven to reach the right temperature? No to all
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Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:26 pm

so did he turn on the oven before and burned himself as part of planning ahead?
or was it a different type oj injure?
Did the fact that he injured before that allow the others to place him in custody (block him)?

(like he was burning and desperately break into his house in flames? Provoke a fire because he turned the oven on before and wanted to get injured?)
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Postby Balin » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:56 pm

so did he turn on the oven before Yes and burned himself No (he turned on the gas to the oven, not the actual flame) as part of planning ahead?
or was it a different type of injure? Yes
Did the fact that he injured before that allow the others to place him in custody (block him)? Yes, explore

(like he was burning and desperately break into his house in flames? Provoke a fire because he turned the oven on before and wanted to get injured?) Not these
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Postby trebor » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:35 am

Did he want to make it appear that the "thief" had gassed him? Had knocked him unconscious before placing his head in the oven? Was he found with his head in the oven? Did he actually sustain the injury he was trying to create? Did it have anything to do with the broken window? Wounds consistent with self-defense?

I'm confused. He didn't want to be seen breaking into his house, but he still was wearing a ski mask or balaclava while he was outside the house? Or was he wearing it when he was inside? When he was found unconscious was he still wearing it? Relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Gang aft ugly

Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:51 pm

so because he turned the oven on, he was placed in custody? The oven was electric right? did he have any appointment? did he need to repair something? did someone ring his bell?

Get injured = by a weapon different from the oven? injure = not a mortal one I suppose right? or better: was it in his intention to injure himself in a non mortal way? Did he reach this latter aim? injure = a cut? shot on his body? livid? Relevant the precise part of his body where he intended to injure himself? Head? Arms? Legs? Did he injure himself finally?

did he want that it seems that the injure was caused by someone else? Was it the difficult part of the planning ahead that cause him to be placed in custody?
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Re: [Balin] Gang aft ugly

Postby Balin » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:10 pm

Did he want to make it appear that the "thief" had gassed him? Yes Had knocked him unconscious before placing his head in the oven? Yes Was he found with his head in the oven? NO Did he actually sustain the injury he was trying to create? Yes Did it have anything to do with the broken window? No Wounds consistent with self-defense? No

I'm confused. He didn't want to be seen breaking into his house, but he still was wearing a ski mask or balaclava while he was outside the house? Not a full outfit, but he did wear a hooded sweatshirt when breaking in. He didn't want to be seen, but he wore it just in case he was seen
Or was he wearing it when he was inside? No When he was found unconscious was he still wearing it? No Relevant? Not really

so because he turned the oven on, he was placed in custody? Yes The oven was electric right? No, it was gas did he have any appointment? did he need to repair something? did someone ring his bell? No to all

Get injured = by a weapon different from the oven? Yes injure = not a mortal one I suppose right? Yes or better: was it in his intention to injure himself in a non mortal way? Yes Did he reach this latter aim? Yes
injure = a cut? No but it drew blood shot on his body? livid? Not these
Relevant the precise part of his body where he intended to injure himself? Yes Head? This Arms? Legs? Did he injure himself finally? Not sure what you mean

did he want that it seems that the injure was caused by someone else? Yes Was it the difficult part of the planning ahead that cause him to be placed in custody? It was a combination
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Re: [Balin] Gang aft ugly

Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:31 am

was him noticed by injuring himself? Did he beat his head on the wall repeatedly? (thus making noise and maybe alerting someone? Or maybe the walls were made of plasterboard and he broke them?) Or did he use a domestic tool to injure his head (e.g. pans?)

So timetable:
1) turn on the oven
2) injure his head
3) go out
4) broken the window
5) not reaching the oven

Right? If so, not reaching the oven because he was placed in custody before? Because physically unable to reach it? (e.g. he fainted?) If so for the injures previously caused by himself? Because of the combination bleeding + gas? I mean...the gas was turned on before, but he broke the window so somehow he cancelled the mortal effect of gas right?
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Re: [Balin] Gang aft ugly

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:49 am

was him noticed by injuring himself? Yope Did he beat his head on the wall repeatedly? Close enough. He intentionally fell back and hit his head on the kitchen counter (thus making noise and maybe alerting someone? Or maybe the walls were made of plasterboard and he broke them?) No to these Or did he use a domestic tool to injure his head (e.g. pans?) No

So timetable:
1) turn on the oven
2) injure his head
3) go out
4) broken the window
5) not reaching the oven
No, timetable is 3/4/1/2/5

Right? If so, not reaching the oven because he was placed in custody before? No Because physically unable to reach it? (e.g. he fainted?) YES, this is the last piece If so for the injures previously caused by himself? Yes Because of the combination bleeding + gas? No I mean...the gas was turned on before, but he broke the window so somehow he cancelled the mortal effect of gas right? Let me explain with the

****SPOILER****

The man was suicidal, and planned to make his suicide look like a fight with a burglar. After trashing his house to make it look like a burglary, the first step of his planning was to go outside and force open a window. He did not want to be seen, but he covered his head with a hooded sweatshirt in case he was. He then turned on his gas oven and intentionally fell back against the kitchen counter. His plan was to make it seem like the burglar had knocked him on the head, then stuck his head in the oven to finish him off.

However, he knocked himself unconscious hitting his head on the counter, and the gas filling up the room was not enough to kill him, especially with the broken-open window allowing it to disperse. Furthermore, a neighbor did notice him breaking into his own house and called the police, meaning the gas didn't have time to kill him. The police found him, deduced that it was a suicide attempt since he had turned on the gas beforehand, and had him placed in protective custody in the hospital.

Well done earnest, trebor, and everyone else who took part.
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Re: [Balin] Gang aft ugly

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:49 am

was him noticed by injuring himself? Yope Did he beat his head on the wall repeatedly? Close enough. He intentionally fell back and hit his head on the kitchen counter (thus making noise and maybe alerting someone? Or maybe the walls were made of plasterboard and he broke them?) No to these Or did he use a domestic tool to injure his head (e.g. pans?) No

So timetable:
1) turn on the oven
2) injure his head
3) go out
4) broken the window
5) not reaching the oven
No, timetable is 3/4/1/2/5

Right? If so, not reaching the oven because he was placed in custody before? No Because physically unable to reach it? (e.g. he fainted?) YES, this is the last piece If so for the injures previously caused by himself? Yes Because of the combination bleeding + gas? No I mean...the gas was turned on before, but he broke the window so somehow he cancelled the mortal effect of gas right? Let me explain with the

****SPOILER****

The man was suicidal, and planned to make his suicide look like a fight with a burglar. After trashing his house to make it look like a burglary, the first step of his planning was to go outside and force open a window. He did not want to be seen, but he covered his head with a hooded sweatshirt in case he was. He then turned on his gas oven and intentionally fell back against the kitchen counter. His plan was to make it seem like the burglar had knocked him on the head, then stuck his head in the oven to finish him off.

However, he knocked himself unconscious hitting his head on the counter, and the gas filling up the room was not enough to kill him, especially with the broken-open window allowing it to disperse. Furthermore, a neighbor did notice him breaking into his own house and called the police, meaning the gas didn't have time to kill him. (Also it's not as easy as one might think to gas yourself.) The police found him, deduced that it was a suicide attempt since he had turned on the gas beforehand, and had him placed in protective custody in the hospital.

Well done earnest, trebor, and everyone else who took part.
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Re: [Balin] Gang aft ugly (*RAN OUT OF GAS*)

Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:42 pm

very nice Balin! ...well...a gun shot would have been more effective xD
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Re: [Balin] Gang aft ugly (*RAN OUT OF GAS*)

Postby biograd » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:35 pm

For what it's worth, natural gas wouldn't kill you unless it either accumulates to the point where it displaces oxygen or reaches the kind of concentration you get while "huffing" fumes, or (much more common) explodes because of a spark.

So if there were no sparks it would be very possible for someone to survive a gas leak for a long time. Especially since I believe most gas stoves have some sort of mechanism that shuts the gas off/reduces the flow if they don't detect the heat of a flame in a significant amount of time (though I could be wrong about that).
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