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Postby GalFisk » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:47 pm

Because I thought they were skilled, I look afraid.
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Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:24 am

they = H/A/F and H/A/M?
look afraid...so were you really afraid? Like were them skilled there were negative consequences for you? Or you just looked afraid? is looking afraid a precaution to something? a fake to confuse them? Destabilize them? Did they see you looking afraid? Relevant how you looked afraid? Like eyes wide open? Did you think to be skilled as well?

skilled = capable of doing a specific task? Skilled in a sport related field? Skilled refers to something specific or in general? Were you in a competition? Before a competition? Was it before they reveal themselves skilled or not? Is it work related? Finding job? New recruits for a job? Were them younger than you?
Does it imply that were not they skilled you would have not look afraid?

Were there teams? If so were you part of a team? Did you support the opposite team w.r.t. the one in which were "they"?
Relevant the reason why you thought they were skilled? Like you deduct them by rankings? Their fame? Did you see their scores on a computer? Did you see how they train? Did you deduct it from their appearance?

If they were skilled, would it imply bad news for you directly? For your job?
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:05 pm

they = H/A/F and H/A/M? Correct.
look afraid...so were you really afraid? No. Like were them skilled there were negative consequences for you? No. Or you just looked afraid? Yes. is looking afraid a precaution to something? Yesish. a fake to confuse them? No. Destabilize them? No. Did they see you looking afraid? Probably, but irrelevant. Relevant how you looked afraid? Yes. Like eyes wide open? No. Did you think to be skilled as well? Yes.

skilled = capable of doing a specific task? Yes. Skilled in a sport related field? No. Skilled refers to something specific This. or in general? Were you in a competition? Before a competition? No to both. Was it before they reveal themselves skilled or not? N/A. Is it work related? Finding job? New recruits for a job? Were them younger than you? No to all.
Does it imply that were not they skilled you would have not look afraid? No.

Were there teams? If so were you part of a team? Did you support the opposite team w.r.t. the one in which were "they"? No to all.
Relevant the reason why you thought they were skilled? Yes. Like you deduct them by rankings? Their fame? Did you see their scores on a computer? Did you see how they train? Did you deduct it from their appearance? No to all.

If they were skilled, would it imply bad news for you directly? No. For your job? No.
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Postby Earnest » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:33 am

skilled...are computers relevant? was it evident at a first sight that they were skilled? were they all part of the same group? Were you part of their same group as well? were all of you in competition one to another?

they = 2, 4, 5, 10, more? More than 100? were you and "they" face to face?
you look afraid means that your own face took on an expression which could be interpreted as fear? Or that you use an item to simulate fear? Or that there were some signal of sort that make the other understand that you were afraid? Was it relevant that the other think that you were afraid? If so was it important because in that way they would have underestimated you?

is a game relevant? A win or lose game? A competition of some sort? Or like you were a their guide/teacher and they looked prskilled...are computers relevant? was it evident at a first sight that they were skilled? were they all part of the same group? Were you part of their same group as well? were all of you in competition one to another? Did you relevantly need to interact with them? If so: just through dialogues?
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Postby GalFisk » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:50 am

skilled...are computers relevant? No. was it evident at a first sight that they were skilled? I thought so.
were they all part of the same group? Some were. Were you part of their same group as well? With some, yes. were all of you in competition one to another? No.

they = 2, 4, 5, 10, more? Hard to say how many, but maybe 10 in my group? More than 100? were you and "they" face to face? Not when I thought they were skilled.
you look afraid means that your own face took on an expression which could be interpreted as fear? No.
Or that you use an item to simulate fear? Or that there were some signal of sort that make the other understand that you were afraid? An action is relevant.
Was it relevant that the other think that you were afraid? It didn't have any great impact, it just annoyed me slightly. If so was it important because in that way they would have underestimated you? Possibly, to the extent that it had any importance.

is a game relevant? A win or lose game? A competition of some sort? Or like you were a their guide/teacher and they looked pr No to all Did you relevantly need to interact with them? I needed to see them. If so: just through dialogues? No.
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Postby Earnest » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:48 am

something I've noticed is that you used the present for "look afraid"...so you look afraid also now? is discovering something/someone relevant?

were you and "they" face to face? Not when I thought they were skilled--> did you think they were skilled because of something you've noticed? Something which was not "as it should be"? something that was not in its place of origin? you were not face to face but you see them in order to say they were skilled right? Or did you know them by name? Did you know them? Have you already seen them? if you saw them...did you see them on a screen? Through a glass? From afar?

you look afraid = you took some precaution or adopt attitudes which led the other think you were afraid? (e.g. like you do not leave your house, you lock every door you close, you always look if someone is following your steps, you go around the neighborhood two times before entering your own house...?)

Do the people belonging to your group look afraid as well? If so do they look afraid in the same manner as you? (taking he same precautions and so on?)

they = were they part of an Institution? Were thy common people? Were they common people with the same hobby? Did they and you share the same passion? Are you skilled in the same way as they are? If so, do they look afraid too? Is it necessary to look afraid? Is it convenient?
skilled = skilled in finding someone/something? In discovering something? In an hobby?

Did you relevantly need to interact with them? I needed to see them--> were they skilled in staying under the radar (little WAG--> were they food critic?)
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Postby trebor » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:09 pm

Is make-up relevant? Costuming? Did they undertake some action because you thought they were skilled? The result of which being that you look afraid? Did they play a prank on you?

Are they related by profession? Hobby?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:06 am

something I've noticed is that you used the present for "look afraid"...so you look afraid also now? Sometimes, yes. is discovering something/someone relevant? No.

were you and "they" face to face? Not when I thought they were skilled--> did you think they were skilled because of something you've noticed? Yes. Something which was not "as it should be"? No. something that was not in its place of origin? No. you were not face to face but you see them in order to say they were skilled right? Correct. Or did you know them by name? The ones who were in my group, yes. Did you know them? See prev. Have you already seen them? Yes. if you saw them...did you see them on a screen? Through a glass? No to both. From afar? Not too far.

you look afraid = you took some precaution or adopt attitudes which led the other think you were afraid? Correct. (e.g. like you do not leave your house, you lock every door you close, you always look if someone is following your steps, you go around the neighborhood two times before entering your own house...?) None of there, but you're onto something here.

Do the people belonging to your group look afraid as well? Yes. If so do they look afraid in the same manner as you? (taking he same precautions and so on?) Correct.

they = were they part of an Institution? No. Were thy common people? Yes. Were they common people with the same hobby? Did they and you share the same passion? No to all. Are you skilled in the same way as they are? Yesish, but... If so, do they look afraid too? Yes. Is it necessary to look afraid? No. Is it convenient? Maybe.
skilled = skilled in finding someone/something? Sort of. In discovering something? In an hobby? No to both.

Did you relevantly need to interact with them? No. I needed to see them--> were they skilled in staying under the radar No. (little WAG--> were they food critic?) No.



Is make-up relevant? Costuming? Did they undertake some action because you thought they were skilled? The result of which being that you look afraid? Did they play a prank on you? No to all.

Are they related by profession? Hobby? No to both.
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Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:13 pm

so we are talking of men and women in the flesh and not H/A/M H/A/F using avatars on their computers right? Are "they" always the same group of people? Do you see them regularly? Every day? once a week? once a month? once a year? More than once a week? More than once in a month? Above all in specific seasons (winter? summer?)?

First of all...for how many time after you have seen them you look afraid? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? For the rest of your life? do you look afraid in your every day life? Always 24h per day? while working for instance? just when you are in your group?

precautions to look afraid = not making any sort of noise? walk and act in group? avoid to do something (e.g. avoid crowded places? avoid some specific places?)? are alarms relevant? plan in advance every action? act secretly (in order not to be seen)? n erase the traces? are the precautions undertaken in group or do every single member of the group singularly undertake precautions alone? Or maybe both?

skilled...was there an item (e.g. a belt, a sign of some sort) indicating that they were skilled?

is looking afraid...a way to prevent something to happen? to prevent something annoying to happen? are you and the people in your group neighbors?

Do "they" have in common something else a part from being skilled? If so...an attitude? A behavior? A vice?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:20 pm

so we are talking of men and women in the flesh and not H/A/M H/A/F using avatars on their computers right? Correct.Are "they" always the same group of people? Those who are in my group yes, but noth the others necessarily. Do you see them regularly? Every day? once a week? once a month? once a year? More than once a week? More than once in a month? Above all in specific seasons (winter? summer?)? I did see them every day.

First of all...for how many time after you have seen them you look afraid? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? For the rest of your life? This. do you look afraid in your every day life? Yes. Always 24h per day? No. while working for instance? No. just when you are in your group? No.

precautions to look afraid = not making any sort of noise? walk and act in group? No to both. avoid to do something (e.g. avoid crowded places? avoid some specific places?)? Yesish, explore. are alarms relevant? No. plan in advance every action? No. act secretly (in order not to be seen)? No. n erase the traces? No. are the precautions undertaken in group or do every single member of the group singularly undertake precautions alone? They always do it independently. Or maybe both?

skilled...was there an item (e.g. a belt, a sign of some sort) indicating that they were skilled? No.

is looking afraid...a way to prevent something to happen? Yope. to prevent something annoying to happen? No. are you and the people in your group neighbors? Some are.

Do "they" have in common something else a part from being skilled? Yes. If so...an attitude? A behavior? This. A vice? Not sure if it could be called that.
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Postby Hobbsicle » Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:17 am

Hey GalFisk, good to see you around again

Is school relevant? Are 'they' students?

So if I understand right, you do this action currently, yes? Every day? Do you do it in your own home? Outside? Transportation involved? Are any objects relevant to taking this action? Do others take the action because you do? Because you taught them to? Because they had the same experience that you did?

Is this action something you were doing already beforehand? Or you developed this habit because of what you observed of these people? Were you mimicking what "they" were doing?
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Postby Earnest » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:34 am

behavior = look afraid? Look afraid = fake to be afraid of someone/something? Of a specific group of people? is religion relevant? like making the sign of the cross? your neighborhood?

do you mainly look afraid: when you are on your car and pass through some places? When you walk in some places? only when you see them? Are they skilled in recognizing if someone look afraid or not? In seeing whether someone has taken the precautions needed?
in your every day life...do you look afraid: when you wake up? On the way to work? When you come back home? In the evening? When you go to bed?

If it does not seem you look afraid, would you be frowned upon? Would there be prejudices against you? would it be a bother for you?

I did see them every day--> in specific places? Public spaces? Open spaces? Near you house? Private places? In the street? do they provide a certain service? Do they offer something? is doing a certain action (=looking afraid) prevent them to stop you in the street?
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Postby GalFisk » Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:32 pm

Hey GalFisk, good to see you around again Good to be around again.

Is school relevant? Are 'they' students? No to both.

So if I understand right, you do this action currently, yes? Yes. Every day? Possibly. Do you do it in your own home? Yes. Outside? No. Transportation involved? No. Are any objects relevant to taking this action? Yes. Do others take the action because you do? Possibly. Because you taught them to? Possibly. Because they had the same experience that you did? Possibly, possibly not.

Is this action something you were doing already beforehand? No. Or you developed this habit because of what you observed of these people? Yes. Were you mimicking what "they" were doing? Yes.


behavior = look afraid? The behavior can be interpreted as bein caused by fear. Look afraid = fake to be afraid of someone/something? The behavior can not be interpreted as someone pretending to be afraid. The fear is of something. Of a specific group of people? is religion relevant? like making the sign of the cross? your neighborhood? No to all.

do you mainly look afraid: when you are on your car and pass through some places? No. When you walk in some places? Yesish. only when you see them? No. Are they skilled in recognizing if someone look afraid or not? The skill in question has nothing to do with this. In seeing whether someone has taken the precautions needed? Precautions are relevant.
in your every day life...do you look afraid: when you wake up? Maybe. On the way to work? No. When you come back home? Maybe. In the evening? Mot likely at this time. When you go to bed? No.

If it does not seem you look afraid, would you be frowned upon? No. Would there be prejudices against you? No. would it be a bother for you? Not at all.

I did see them every day--> in specific places? Yes. Public spaces? Open spaces? No/irr to both. Near you house? Explore. Private places? Yes. In the street? No/irr. do they provide a certain service? Noish. Do they offer something? Yope. is doing a certain action (=looking afraid) prevent them to stop you in the street? Irr.
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Postby Earnest » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:23 am

So you see them every evening near your house right? Do "they" go from house to house in the evening? Or do you see them just near your house?

Near your house = in front of your house? In your garden? In the street of your neighborhood?

Behavior = having always a weapon (a gun for instance) with them?
Skilled = in shooting?

Do "they" move in groups or are single individuals passing from time to time? If so do they pass near each house? And leave something? And ring the bells? Try to sell a good? A service? Try to take something (e.g. flowers from the garden)? Do you usually see them on a vehicle of some sort or are they usually pedestrians?
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:58 am

So you see them every evening I used to see them being what I thought was brave at this time. near your house right? Not "near". Explore. Do "they" go from house to house in the evening? No. Or do you see them just near your house? No.

Near your house = in front of your house? In your garden? In the street of your neighborhood? No to all.

Behavior = having always a weapon (a gun for instance) with them? No.
Skilled = in shooting? No.

Do "they" move in groups or are single individuals passing from time to time? Irr, but normally only one is seen doing this thing at a time, even if there are more than one of them present. If so do they pass near each house? And leave something? And ring the bells? Try to sell a good? A service? Try to take something (e.g. flowers from the garden)? No to all. Do you usually see them on a vehicle of some sort or are they usually pedestrians? Noone is in a vehicle.
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Postby Earnest » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:57 am

Not "near"...inside? On the roof? On your house? Under? (supposing you leave in an apartment for instance or that your house has more than one floor) in a specific place in your neighborhood? Like a private place where they can do what they are doing?

So if you see them you do a relevant action? Are "they" curious? Do you know their intentions? Can what they are doing be considered "criminal"? Dangerous? Annoying? Do they use mainly their voice to do what they are doing? Their hands? Their feet?

Flash mobs relevant? Are they doing sort of rehearsals for something?
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:11 pm

Not "near"...inside? This. No to the others. On the roof? On your house? Under? (supposing you leave in an apartment for instance or that your house has more than one floor) in a specific place in your neighborhood? Like a private place where they can do what they are doing?

So if you see them you do a relevant action? No. Are "they" curious? Irr. Do you know their intentions? I misunderstood them. Can what they are doing be considered "criminal"? Dangerous? Annoying? No to all. Do they use mainly their voice to do what they are doing? No. Their hands? Yes, one hand. Their feet? No.

Flash mobs relevant? Are they doing sort of rehearsals for something? No to both.
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Postby Grouffe » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:10 pm

One hand movement: waving? zapping with a remote? typing with one finger? touch-screening? picking their noses? holding a mug or a glass? holding a cell phone? whisking something? spraying something?
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:19 pm

One hand movement: waving? zapping with a remote? typing with one finger? touch-screening? picking their noses? holding a mug or a glass? holding a cell phone? whisking something? spraying something? No to all.
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Postby Earnest » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:08 am

inside your house = on a screen? phisically inside the building constituting your house? In your garden?

you misunderstood them = you thought they had bad intentions? you thought they were doing something wrong? something criminal? something dangerous? something that could have damage you?

look afraid = close the curtains? hide yourself?

use one hand = the palm of their hand? just some finger? did they grab something? did they look for something which was in your house? In the garden of your house? are nazi relevant? do they use the hand to unlock a door?
did you think they used the hand for a political reason? did they ring the bells and run? did they knock at the door?

Pokemon go relevant?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:45 am

inside your house = on a screen? phisically inside the building constituting your house? This. In your garden?

you misunderstood them = you thought they had bad intentions? No, just different intentions. you thought they were doing something wrong? something criminal? something dangerous? something that could have damage you? No to all.

look afraid = close the curtains? hide yourself? No to both.

use one hand = the palm of their hand? just some finger? This. did they grab something? Assume no. did they look for something which was in your house? Yope, explore. In the garden of your house? No. are nazi relevant? No. do they use the hand to unlock a door? No.
did you think they used the hand for a political reason? No. did they ring the bells and run? No. did they knock at the door? No.

Pokemon go relevant? No.
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Postby Earnest » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:34 pm

did you allow them to enter your house? If so for a specific reason? was it part of your "looking afraid"? relevant how that entered? were them allowed to do that?

did they look for something which was in your house?---> did they search a particular room of the house? do they touch something? Move something (e.g. they use their fingers to move cheeses on a chessboard)? Shake the fingers? Like they were doing a spell? do they use one finger? Two fingers? three? Four? five?
Do they look for spirits in your house? Supernatural world relevant?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:17 pm

did you allow them to enter your house? Yope, explore. If so for a specific reason? Yes, explore. was it part of your "looking afraid"? No. relevant how that entered? No. were them allowed to do that? Yes.

did they look for something which was in your house?---> did they search a particular room of the house? No. do they touch something? Yes. Move something Yes. (e.g. they use their fingers to move cheeses on a chessboard)? Not this. Shake the fingers? No. Like they were doing a spell? No. do they use one finger? Two fingers? three? Four? five? 1-4 is the norm.
Do they look for spirits in your house? No. Supernatural world relevant? Possibly, but not necessarily.
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Postby Earnest » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:45 pm

did you allow them to enter because you've misunderstood what they were doing? But you said every evening...meaning that they entered your house once but you see them every evening outside your house (that is you do not allow them to enter anymore)? Or you see them every evening inside your house and every evening you allow them to enter?

do they repair/check something? music instruments relevant? Electronics? Phones? Devices of some sort? do they count something? do they move something which is usually found in a house? is that something part of something bigger?(e.g. they move the keys of a piano...) do they move objects which are yours? Part of your house? Or objects they brought with them? Religious items relevant? did you believe in what they were doing because they were skilled?

something moved = thrown? touched in specific parts? to indicate something? to feel the temperature? to test if something was going on?

do they use the knuckles of their fingers? Are them like part of an association? Scouts? do they offer protection?

is the action they do when using one finger the same action they do when they use 4 fingers together? Do they move the same object when they use 1 finger as when they use 4 fingers? If not is something like turn on one light with one finger and four lights with four fingers?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:31 am

did you allow them to enter because you've misunderstood what they were doing? No. But you said every evening...meaning that they entered your house once but you see them every evening outside your house (that is you do not allow them to enter anymore)? No, I don't often see them nowadays, but when I did they were in my home every day. Or you see them every evening inside your house and every evening you allow them to enter? No.

do they repair/check something? music instruments relevant? Electronics? Phones? No to all. Devices of some sort? Yes. do they count something? No. do they move something which is usually found in a house? Yesish. is that something part of something bigger?(e.g. they move the keys of a piano...) Yes, not a piano but OTRT. do they move objects which are yours? Yope. Part of your house? Yes. Or objects they brought with them? No. Religious items relevant? No. did you believe in what they were doing because they were skilled? This is not something you have to believe "in". I believed that they did what they did because they were skilled.

something moved = thrown? No. touched in specific parts? Yes. to indicate something? to feel the temperature? to test if something was going on? No to all.

do they use the knuckles of their fingers? No. Are them like part of an association? Not sure if you could call it that. Scouts? No. do they offer protection? Well, sort of, but may be misleading.

is the action they do when using one finger the same action they do when they use 4 fingers together? Yes. Do they move the same object when they use 1 finger as when they use 4 fingers? Yes. If not is something like turn on one light with one finger and four lights with four fingers? No,
but turning on the lights is actually just what they do with the fingers. There is more to this though, explore.
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Postby Earnest » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:50 am

so let's divide the puzzle into two sides if you agree: 1) will denote what they were doing and 2) what you thought they were doing, ok?

so 1) turning the lights on and off and on again? Try to detect something? at the beginning lights were turned off and then they turned them on with their fingers? we are talking of the lights of your house right? And the devices the lights or others? could it be considered a magic trick? did they make relevant noises? did something happen from the moment when the lights are off to the moment when the lights are turned on? Something changes? Someone appear? something moves? no mediums involved here right?

Yes, not a piano but OTRT--> something with keys? something that makes noise as soon as touched/moved? if so was it noisy when the light was off? when the light was on? Both?

2) did you think it was a trick? a magic show? A game?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:07 pm

so let's divide the puzzle into two sides if you agree: 1) will denote what they were doing and 2) what you thought they were doing, ok? Ok, but 2. Should eb "why they were doing it". I knew what they were doing.

so 1) turning the lights on and off and on again? No. Try to detect something? No. at the beginning lights were turned off and then they turned them on with their fingers? Correct. we are talking of the lights of your house right? Yes. And the devices the lights or others? The devices are not the lights themselves. could it be considered a magic trick? did they make relevant noises? No to all. did something happen from the moment when the lights are off to the moment when the lights are turned on? Yes. Something changes? The light turns on, but irr. Someone appear? something moves? no mediums involved here right? No to all.

Yes, not a piano but OTRT--> something with keys? They're not called keys as far as I know. something that makes noise as soon as touched/moved? Yes. if so was it noisy when the light was off? when the light was on? Both? No to all. It made a noise the moment the light was turned on.

2) did you think it was a trick? a magic show? A game? No to all, with a small ish to "game".
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Postby Earnest » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:18 pm

so were the lights connected to the device that made the noise? Was it a "melodic" noise? (I mean like a melody or an unpleasant noise? A music? the chorus of some sound? a beep? )

Was the light turned on once? Device = a recorder? a stereo? wi-fi relevant? microwaves/waves relevant? A remote control? The remote control for the TV? Something with buttons to be pressed? Something connected to a screen? To a phone? to a PC? to a TV? Was the thing touched/moved with the other hand (supposing that they turn the lights on with one to four finger of the same hand, right?)? Did the noise last one to 30 seconds? One minute? 5 minutes? More?
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:29 am

so were the lights connected to the device that made the noise? Yes. Was it a "melodic" noise? (I mean like a melody or an unpleasant noise? A music? the chorus of some sound? a beep? ) No to all.

Was the light turned on once? It happened many dufferent times - bu a light was never relevantly turned off just after being turned on.Device = a recorder? a stereo? wi-fi relevant? microwaves/waves relevant? A remote control? The remote control for the TV? No to all.Something with buttons to be pressed? Yesish.Something connected to a screen? To a phone? to a PC? to a TV? No to all. Was the thing touched/moved with the other hand (supposing that they turn the lights on with one to four finger of the same hand, right?)? The hand that turned on the light touched the thing. Did the noise last one to 30 seconds? One minute? 5 minutes? More? Less than all.
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Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:20 am

ok...so...lights = lights on the wall? lights of lamps (cord switches)? Could be both? all the lights of your house?
Sound = a voice? something that could be interpreted like a word? Did it last less than 10 seconds? less than 1 second? less than 5 seconds?

Was the noise different for each different light that was turned on? E.g. light A turned on associated with sound A, light B turned on associated with light B? If so, was the sound different depending on the intensity of the light? Of the source of light? Of weather the light was turned on from a wall or from a cord switch of a lamp?

Are the buttons simply the switch buttons? If so was the sound the tic of the light turned on? If not...is the device bigger than a basketball ball? Smaller? Are the buttons on a touch screen? Is the device made of wood? Made of plastic? Are there electronic components in inside? Is it present in every house? does it need a source of electricity to work? Do the buttons have something written on them? Numbers? Words? On-off? How many buttons does the device have? One? Two? 5? 9? 10? 20? more than 15? less?

Well my doubts are related to the fact that electronics is not relevant but as far as I know, a device is by definition "electronic" or am I wrong?

The hand that turned on the light touched the thing.--> at the same time? To turn on the lights they used always one to two fingers? Just one? When they use 4 fingers they used more than one finger to press the buttons of the device?
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:15 pm

ok...so...lights = lights on the wall? Wall or ceiling lights of lamps (cord switches)? No, the situation wouldn't work with those. Could be both? all the lights of your house? Most of them could potentially be involved, but not all.
Sound = a voice? something that could be interpreted like a word? No to both. Did it last less than 10 seconds? less than 1 second? less than 5 seconds? Yes to all.

Was the noise different for each different light that was turned on? Assume no/irrelevant. E.g. light A turned on associated with sound A, light B turned on associated with light B? If so, was the sound different depending on the intensity of the light? Of the source of light? Of weather the light was turned on from a wall or from a cord switch of a lamp? No to all (assuming no cord switches).

Are the buttons simply the switch buttons? Correct. If so was the sound the tic of the light turned on? Also correct. If not...is the device bigger than a basketball ball? Smaller? Are the buttons on a touch screen? Is the device made of wood? Made of plastic? Are there electronic components in inside? Is it present in every house? does it need a source of electricity to work? Do the buttons have something written on them? Numbers? Words? On-off? How many buttons does the device have? One? Two? 5? 9? 10? 20? more than 15? less? You know the answer to all of these now, if it's any relevant to the puzzle.

Well my doubts are related to the fact that electronics is not relevant but as far as I know, a device is by definition "electronic" or am I wrong? A device is electronic if it uses electricity to directly control other electricity. Nowadays this means that it contains transistors or chips. If it only uses mechanical means, it's considered electrical but not electronic. Unless you're interested in this stuff it's not always easy to know the difference.

The hand that turned on the light touched the thing.--> at the same time? Yes. To turn on the lights they used always one to two fingers? Just one? They used different numbers of fingers at different times. It's probably not relevant though. When they use 4 fingers they used more than one finger to press the buttons of the device? Yes.
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Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:42 pm

ok so...what they were doing = turn on the lights and make the tic sound when the lights are turned on, right? Did they want to know the time from the tic to the "appearance of the light"? how many time the electricity needed to pass through the cables?
Did they want to have an info about the lights? was it a sort of "experiment"?
Were they skilled in turning the lights on? In estimating the time from the tic to the "appearance" of the light? Were the lights turned on all together? Once per time? Was their ability in turning the lights on at the same exact time?
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:53 pm

ok so...what they were doing = turn on the lights and make the tic sound when the lights are turned on, right? Yes. Did they want to know the time from the tic to the "appearance of the light"? how many time the electricity needed to pass through the cables? No to all. The sound is irrelevant, but you asked if it made a sound.
Did they want to have an info about the lights? No. was it a sort of "experiment"? No.
Were they skilled in turning the lights on? I thought so. In estimating the time from the tic to the "appearance" of the light? No. Were the lights turned on all together? No. Once per time? Yes. Was their ability in turning the lights on at the same exact time? No.
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Postby trebor » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:03 pm

Were these people your children? Is running and jumping into bed relevant? Being in bed before the lights go dark?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:52 pm

Were these people your children? No, but somewhat OTRT. Is running and jumping into bed relevant? Being in bed before the lights go dark? No to both.
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Postby Balin » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:43 pm

Are the switches ordinary flippable light switches? Are they buttons?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:36 pm

Are the switches ordinary flippable light switches? Are they buttons? Assume all flippable.
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Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:41 pm

so they were H/C/M and H/C/F right? They = 2? 3? 5? more?
The lights were turned once per time in each room? relevant? If so, they all come together in the room when the light was turned on? Or do they go in different rooms and turn on the lights one per time following a certain order? A certain criterion?

lights of lamps (cord switches)? No, the situation wouldn't work with those--> relevant the reason why? Because they need a "cord" to be connected with electricity?
When light is turned on, is it revealed just your room (objects/decorations) as it was? I mean as you have decorated, with nothing more and nothing less? As you know it?

Do they tell you something when they have turned all the lights they need on? A prediction? Something scaring? Do they just leave your house?

Connection between lights turned on once per time and you looking afraid every time also outside your house: is looking afraid necessary to develop a certain skill? To train? Does it allow you to perform a relevant action? To call them? To let them in and look what they did in order to learn?
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:18 pm

so they were H/C/M and H/C/F right? They = 2? 3? 5? more? No, they were adults. Assume maybe 5-10 total.
The lights were turned once per time in each room? Yes. relevant? Yesish, If so, they all come together in the room when the light was turned on?
No/irr.Or do they go in different rooms and turn on the lights one per time following a certain order? No. A certain criterion? Noish.

lights of lamps (cord switches)? No, the situation wouldn't work with those--> relevant the reason why? Yes. Because they need a "cord" to be connected with electricity? No.
When light is turned on, is it revealed just your room (objects/decorations) as it was? Yes. I mean as you have decorated, with nothing more and nothing less? As you know it? Correct - the light does not reveal anything unexpected.

Do they tell you something when they have turned all the lights they need on? No. A prediction? No. Something scaring? No, but explore. Do they just leave your house? No.

Connection between lights turned on once per time and you looking afraid every time also outside your house: is looking afraid necessary to develop a certain skill? Yope. To train? Yope. Does it allow you to perform a relevant action? Yes. To call them? No. To let them in and look what they did in order to learn? No.
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Postby Earnest » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:19 pm

did they just turn the lights on once per time? So they go from house to house just to turn lights on and keep them on? were they blind? Blindfolded? Did they have particular physical conditions? is it necessary that all of them turn a light on?

if a room has two different lights, did they turn on both at the same time? In different times? do they look for something in the room? Would it work in every room? If not, would it not work in bathroom? Kitchen? Bedroom? It depends on the type of light of the room? Does it work with neon lights? Does it work in rooms where the switch button is near the door? Is far from the door? Both of them? In rooms where the switch button is outside the room? Inside the room? Both? Are the items present in the room a relevant factor?

Do they turn the light on as normal people do? Or do they turn it on with particular movements? Is it what seen from the outside relevant? Are "they" all inside of your house?
We said that once a light was turned on it was not turned off, right? Meaning not turned off by touching the switch button or in absolute (that is the light remains on for all the time)?

does their ability mostly involve "speed"? magic? reflexes? deduction? reasoning? acting? Facial expressions? imagination? taste and design? first impact sight? synchronization? agility?


is it relevant that they go into strangers house to do that? I mean...did they have an house? If so could they just try it in their own houses? If not, relevant the reason why? Do they have a benefit/gain in doing it in others' houses?
Does it work if all the lights are turned on before they come?

Does it allow you to perform a relevant action? Yes--> action which is the same they do when they are in your house and turn the lights on once per time? Avoid something? Lock something? Run? Hide? Wear something?
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:08 pm

did they just turn the lights on once per time? Yes. So they go from house to house just to turn lights on and keep them on? No. were they blind? Blindfolded? Did they have particular physical conditions? No to all. is it necessary that all of them turn a light on? They do it when necessary.

if a room has two different lights, did they turn on both at the same time? No. In different times? Maybe. do they look for something in the room? No, explore. Would it work in every room? Possibly not. If not, would it not work in bathroom? Kitchen? Bedroom? Possibly all. It depends on the type of light of the room? No. Does it work with neon lights? It could if there were any, Does it work in rooms where the switch button is near the door? Yes, and only then. Is far from the door? So no. Both of them? And no. In rooms where the switch button is outside the room? And no to this as well. Inside the room? Yes. Both? No. Are the items present in the room a relevant factor? No, just the switch placement relative to the door.

Do they turn the light on as normal people do? Yope. Or do they turn it on with particular movements? Yes, explore. Is it what seen from the outside relevant? Yes. Are "they" all inside of your house? Either this or just outside the entrance.
We said that once a light was turned on it was not turned off, right? Not relevantly to the puzzle. Meaning not turned off by touching the switch button or in absolute (that is the light remains on for all the time)? The light is turned on and left on. It is eventually turned oss as normal people do,
but that is not relevant to the puzzle.


does their ability mostly involve "speed"? magic? reflexes? deduction? reasoning? acting? Facial expressions? imagination? taste and design? first impact sight? synchronization? agility? I thought they displayed some agility.


is it relevant that they go into strangers house to do that? They don't go into strangers houses. I mean...did they have an house? Yes. If so could they just try it in their own houses? They did that too. If not, relevant the reason why? Irr. Do they have a benefit/gain in doing it in others' houses? Yes, under the circumstances.
Does it work if all the lights are turned on before they come? No.

Does it allow you to perform a relevant action? Yes--> action which is the same they do when they are in your house and turn the lights on once per time? Yes. Avoid something? Sort of. Lock something? Run? No to both. Hide? Sort of. Wear something? No.
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Postby Hobbsicle » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:45 am

Ok, so these people are, say, your roommates or something?

Is the "agility" related to finding the light switch without seeing it? Do they reach in and switch it from the other room? Do they flip the switch from inside the dark room? Close the door first?

Is this done for the sake of appearances to the outside? Through windows? Are you intending for people to see the light? To not see the light?
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Postby GalFisk » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:37 am

Ok, so these people are, say, your roommates or something? Family.

Is the "agility" related to finding the light switch without seeing it? Yes. Do they reach in and switch it from the other room? Yes, exactly. Do they flip the switch from inside the dark room? Close the door first? No to both.

Is this done for the sake of appearances to the outside? No. Through windows? No. Are you intending for people to see the light? To not see the light? Irrelevant.
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Postby Earnest » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:12 pm

can we suppose that the door is already opened when they try to turn on the light? Closed? is it relevant weather the switch button is on the left or on the right of the door? Do they need o guess it? Is the light on the room where they find themselves turned on? Turned off? Relevant? Do they need to guess where the switch button is as quick as possible? Do they enter the room one per time? Two per time? relevant? is it a sort of challenge between two?
Do they enter the room normally (= making a step or more than one steps inside the room and guessing where the switch button is) or in a particular way (e.g. sitting? Lying? Like soldiers? in a particular way which is the same you replicate by looking afraid?)...to be sure...do they turn on the lights with their hands? Elbows? Feet? Legs?with long items? Do they step into the room to turn the light on? If not, do they turn the light on before stepping into the room like they look afraid?

Is the light kept turned on in order to count how many guesses are right?

Looking afraid = walk in a particular way? Test your agility? Does the main action implied by your looking afraid (the one that you train) involve the hands? Arms? Feet? Your whole body? Do you perform it mainly when in the car In crowded places? In inside? In outside? Where there are lights?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:12 am

can we suppose that the door is already opened when they try to turn on the light? Closed? Irrelevant. is it relevant weather the switch button is on the left or on the right of the door? No. Do they need o guess it? Assume no. Is the light on the room where they find themselves turned on? Yes. Turned off? Relevant? A bit. Do they need to guess where the switch button is as quick as possible? Not need, but... Do they enter the room one per time? This. Two per time? relevant? Yesish. is it a sort of challenge between two? No.
Do they enter the room normally (= making a step or more than one steps inside the room and guessing where the switch button is) or in a particular way (e.g. sitting? Lying? Like soldiers? in a particular way which is the same you replicate by looking afraid? They reach around the door frame in order toturn on the light, then enter in a normal, irrelevant fashion.)...to be sure...do they turn on the lights with their hands? Yes. Elbows? Feet? Legs?with long items? Do they step into the room to turn the light on? No. If not, do they turn the light on before stepping into the room like they look afraid? Yes.

Is the light kept turned on in order to count how many guesses are right? No.

Looking afraid = walk in a particular way? Test your agility? Thisish. Does the main action implied by your looking afraid (the one that you train) involve the hands? Arms? These. Feet? Your whole body? Also this. Do you perform it mainly when in the car In crowded places? Irr. In inside? This. In outside? Where there are lights? Yes.
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Postby Earnest » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:30 am

So they turn on the light before entering the room right?...in stepping into the room...do they enter in a unique time or in various steps (e.g. first an hand, than the arm, then the rest of the body after having turned on the light...)?

Are they relevantly in constant contact with the wall when performing this action? (Like they need they shoulder to be covered...)

So they enter one per time = does it mean that the puzzle works in rooms where there is more than a light? E.g. the first one enters, guesses where the switching button to turn the first light is and keep the light turned on, then the second one enters and guesses where the switching button to turn on the second light is and so on?...
Mmm...not sure...because in that case the puzzle could also work eith the lights being turned off once they are turned on...

Look afraid....like bewaring they stand no prayer?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:44 am

So they turn on the light before entering the room right? Correct. ...in stepping into the room...do they enter in a unique time or in various steps (e.g. first an hand, than the arm, then the rest of the body after having turned on the light...)? Irr.

Are they relevantly in constant contact with the wall when performing this action? (Like they need they shoulder to be covered...) Irr.

So they enter one per time = does it mean that the puzzle works in rooms where there is more than a light? E.g. the first one enters, guesses where the switching button to turn the first light is and keep the light turned on, then the second one enters and guesses where the switching button to turn on the second light is and so on?... No, it only works for a dark room.
Mmm...not sure...because in that case the puzzle could also work eith the lights being turned off once they are turned on... Yes, what happens to the lights after they're turned on and the person enters the room is not relevant to the puzzle.

Look afraid....like bewaring they stand no prayer? What does this mean?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:30 am

looking afraid = a facial expression? looking afraid of the dark? scream? put an hand on the switching button to scare someone who tries to switch the light on?
looking afraid = faking that someone is in the room? That something/someone impede them to turn the light on?

So...do they switch on the light as soon as they entered the dark room? Is the door closed once they entered the room so that the room is completely dark? Would it work had they been blindfolded in a "not dark" room?

they enter a room once per time...so...supposing there are 5 of them...the first one enters the dark room and try to switch the light on? If not, does he/she plays another role? E.g. try to impede the next one who enters to switch on the light? If instead it is so (the first one tries to switch on the light), there are two possibilities...he was able or he was not...if he was able, would another one enter the room? If he wasn't?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:33 pm

looking afraid = a facial expression? looking afraid of the dark? scream? put an hand on the switching button to scare someone who tries to switch the light on?
looking afraid = faking that someone is in the room? That something/someone impede them to turn the light on?

So...do they switch on the light as soon as they entered the dark room? Is the door closed once they entered the room so that the room is completely dark? Would it work had they been blindfolded in a "not dark" room?

they enter a room once per time...so...supposing there are 5 of them...the first one enters the dark room and try to switch the light on? If not, does he/she plays another role? E.g. try to impede the next one who enters to switch on the light? If instead it is so (the first one tries to switch on the light), there are two possibilities...he was able or he was not...if he was able, would another one enter the room? If he wasn't?

SPOILER
"They" are the grownups around me as a kid. They reached around the door frame in order to turn on the light in a dark troom. I thought that was a neat trick and copied it. I wasn't afraid of the dark, so it never occurred to me that they did it because they were.
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