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[WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:15 am

To begin with, a bit of context:

I work for Land Information New Zealand (LINZ), a government department charged with geographical information and surveying functions as well as handling land titles, and managing Crown land and property. We spend a lot of our time doing important work which goes unacknowledged, while bigger-name departments have scandals and meltdowns. It's a life of moral victories.

My job title is a Property Rights Analyst (PRA). There are two types of PRAs, Surveys and Titles. I am a Titles PRA. I spend my days ensuring the submission of lawyers concerning land titles are, in fact, legal. It's a life of moral victories.

Surveys PRAs are similar, except they're checking the accuracy of the work of surveyors.

Although there is a great deal of cross-team collaboration (it is impossible to create a certificate of title without an approved survey plan, for instance), there is an odd quirk of our workplace culture that creates a fierce but friendly rivalry between the two teams.


Anyway, I happened one day to walk through the lunchroom while the survey PRAs were having a shared morning tea. I didn't linger at all, but saw something that convinced me to go to the operations manager and jokingly suggest that their entire team be replaced. What did I see?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby Balin » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:48 pm

Given the wall of context, are the job duties of survey PRAs relevant?
Were the survey PRAs all at one table? Is the layout of tables/chairs in the lunchroom relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:40 pm

Given the wall of context, are the job duties of survey PRAs relevant? yes, broadly
Were the survey PRAs all at one table? irrelevant Is the layout of tables/chairs in the lunchroom relevant? no
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:53 pm

Is it relevant how many sPRAs were in the lunchroom?
Were they all drinking tea? From the same pot or kettle?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:05 pm

Is it relevant how many sPRAs were in the lunchroom? no
Were they all drinking tea? irrel From the same pot or kettle? no

Funnily enough, the standard abbreviation for a Property Rights Analyst - Surveys is PRA-S. I am a Property Rights Analyst - Titles. You can see what fun is to be had with that.
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby Balin » Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:58 am

It's a PRA-T - Admiral Rackba

Were the PRA-Ses all working on one particular assignment? Were there any PRA-Ts (other than passerby WiZ) present? Relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:33 am

Were the PRA-Ses all working on one particular assignment? irrelevant Were there any PRA-Ts (other than passerby WiZ) present? no Relevant? no
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby Hobbsicle » Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:24 am

Is the tea at all relevant? Anything they were eating? Cups/silverware? How they were seated? How they were dressed?

Was the suggestion for replacement related to the joking assumption that they would not be able to accurately check the surveying?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:12 pm

Is the tea at all relevant? yes Anything they were eating? yes Cups/silverware? How they were seated? How they were dressed? no to rest

Was the suggestion for replacement related to the joking assumption that they would not be able to accurately check the surveying? yes!
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:46 pm

Were they eating something that normally goes with tea? Cookies/biscuits?
As a tea-drinking American, I don't know what typically goes with assigned tea time.
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:08 pm

*Googles 'morning tea' definition.*

Right. 3 definitions, two of which are prefaced by 'Australia/NZ'. My apologies.

The definition I'm going for is 'a morning social gathering at which light refreshments are served.'


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... Difficulty

Were they eating something that normally goes with tea? Cookies/biscuits? no to these. Hopefully the glossary will help.
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:53 am

They wouldn't be able to accurately check it because...

There is something wrong with their eyesight? They are lacking in the mental faculties? They are drunk?

Is there play on words involved? If so, are you playing on the names of what they are eating/drinking?

Are they eating something sweet? Bread based? Cheese? Fruit?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:43 pm

They wouldn't be able to accurately check it because...

There is something wrong with their eyesight? They are lacking in the mental faculties? this They are drunk?

Is there play on words involved? no If so, are you playing on the names of what they are eating/drinking? no

Are they eating something sweet? no Bread based? yes Cheese? cheese is involved Fruit? no
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:31 pm

Are they eating cheese biscuits (as I seem to remember they are called everywhere but in the US - I mean crackers suitable for holding sliced cheeses)?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:32 pm

Are they eating cheese biscuits (as I seem to remember they are called everywhere but in the US - I mean crackers suitable for holding sliced cheeses)? they are not
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby GalFisk » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:52 am

Is the cheese: soft? Hard? Sliced? Grated? Heated? Molten? Squeezed from a tube? Sprayed from a can? Is it moldy? Do they eat something only dumb people stereotypically eat? Something that makes you dumb? Do they use an utensil or othe implement in a dumb way? Do they eat something in a very unsophisticated manner? Are they amazed by something basic?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:13 pm

Is the cheese: soft? Hard? Sliced? Grated? Heated? Molten? this Squeezed from a tube? Sprayed from a can? no to both Is it moldy? no Do they eat something only dumb people stereotypically eat? no (I can't think of what this might be. Perhaps I am a dumb person after all) Something that makes you dumb? no Do they use an utensil or othe implement in a dumb way? no Do they eat something in a very unsophisticated manner? no Are they amazed by something basic? no
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:23 pm

Is the molten cheese: on pizza? On bread? In a pot? Are they eating fondue? Are they eating this thing in a dumb way? A dumb place? At a dumb time? Are they eating something hot while complaining about the heat? Is anything about the food dumb? Anything about them eating it?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:55 pm

Is the molten cheese: on pizza? yes On bread? In a pot? Are they eating fondue? Are they eating this thing in a dumb way? A dumb place? At a dumb time? Are they eating something hot while complaining about the heat? Is anything about the food dumb? Anything about them eating it? no to rest
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby Balin » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:14 am

Are there any toppings on the pizza? Relevant?
Is the way the pizza is sliced relevant? Is it in fact sliced?
Is the pizza frozen (or formerly frozen)? From a restaurant? From a pizza chain?
EDIT - are they eating the pizza with forks?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:17 am

Are there any toppings on the pizza? yes Relevant? no
Is the way the pizza is sliced relevant? noish Is it in fact sliced? yes
Is the pizza frozen (or formerly frozen)? no From a restaurant? no From a pizza chain? yes
EDIT - are they eating the pizza with forks? irrelevant
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:39 am

Are they sharing a pizza? Each eating their own pizzas? If they are sharing, is the method of sharing relevant? Is there a difficulty or conflict in the sharing of the pizza?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:44 pm

Are they sharing a pizza? yes Each eating their own pizzas? no If they are sharing, is the method of sharing relevant? Yesish, but it's 'sharing' as part of a grander scheme Is there a difficulty or conflict in the sharing of the pizza? no
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:56 am

Are they trying to ensure equal pieces for everyone? Or comparing the size of the slices in some way? Does the tea factor in to whatever they are doing?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:53 pm

Are they trying to ensure equal pieces for everyone? yes, and succeeding Or comparing the size of the slices in some way? the sizes are comparable - piece size is important Does the tea factor in to whatever they are doing? the pizza is the only relevant foodstuff here
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby Balin » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:55 am

Is there only one pizza? More than one? Relevant?
Are the pizzas cut in triangles? Squares? Relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:59 am

Is there only one pizza? no! More than one? yes! Relevant? yes!
Are the pizzas cut in triangles? yes (well, circular sectors, to be precise. They would be :P) Squares? no Relevant? I don't think this scenario would have arisen if the paradigm for slicing a pizza wasn't to use circular sectors, but this isn't a terribly useful line of questioning
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby Balin » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:00 am

Was there not enough pizza for everyone there? Too much pizza?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:02 am

Was there not enough pizza for everyone there? noish Too much pizza? no
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby peter365 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:15 am

Did they cut the pizzas into less than the standard 8 slices? Would 8 have resulted in everyone getting the same number of slices?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:57 pm

Did they cut the pizzas into less than the standard 8 slices? no Would 8 have resulted in everyone getting the same number of slices? yes
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby peter365 » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:38 am

So they cut it into more than 8?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby biograd » Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:18 pm

And, is the implication that they didn't "survey" the pizza correctly to put the boundaries in the correct place?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:08 pm

Peter

So they cut it into more than 8? No. Assume 8 PRA-S and 8 slices per pizza.

Biograd

And, is the implication that they didn't "survey" the pizza correctly to put the boundaries in the correct place? No - the solution is a little more lateral
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 25, 2017 2:44 pm

Did you think they should've divided the pizzas someother way? That they should've had a different numer of pizzas? Pizza toppings relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:20 pm

Did you think they should've divided the pizzas someother way? noish That they should've had a different numer of pizzas? yes! Pizza toppings relevant? no
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby Balin » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:02 am

Did they have something like one less pizza than the number of people there? So they had to divide up the pizzas rather than everyone getting their own pizza?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:36 am

Did they have something like one less pizza than the number of people there? no So they had to divide up the pizzas rather than everyone getting their own pizza? no

Your questions don't do a lot to dispel stereotypes about American portion sizes :P.
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby Balin » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:31 pm

Did you think they should have had more pizzas? Fewer?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:35 pm

Did you think they should have had more pizzas? no Fewer? Yes. Why?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby Balin » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:34 am

Was there more pizza there than they all could eat? Were any pizzas entirely uneaten?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:51 am

Was there more pizza there than they all could eat? no Were any pizzas entirely uneaten? no
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby LemonCurry » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:46 am

Are pie charts relevant? (we're in an office after all...)
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby GalFisk » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:53 am

Did you think they should have a specific number of pizzas? Only one?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby peter365 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:46 am

Were the sizes of the pizza's relevent ? Were they 12' ? and they could have ordered 16'?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby Balin » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:27 pm

Peter's questions give me an idea.

Basic geometry shows that a pizza with twice the diameter of another pizza will have four times the area, or four times as much pizza.
Was the price of the pizzas such that they could have gotten the same amount for less if they had ordered larger sizes? (i.e. they bought four 8-inch pies, but could have had the same with one 16-inch pie)
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace

Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:01 pm

Peter's questions give me an idea.

Basic geometry shows that a pizza with twice the diameter of another pizza will have four times the area, or four times as much pizza.
Was the price of the pizzas such that they could have gotten the same amount for less if they had ordered larger sizes? (i.e. they bought four 8-inch pies, but could have had the same with one 16-inch pie)

***** SPOILER *****

I saw that the Survey PRAs had ordered two 12-inch pizzas from a place that also sells 18-inch pizzas. Not only would a single 18-inch pizza provide them with more food (πx18²=1018 > 2xπx12²=905), it would also cost less.

As people whose job description involves carefully determining the area of land parcels of all shapes and sizes, they should have known better!


Well done, Balin, on the solution, and well done Peter on the assist. Thank you everyone else for playing.
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace [CANCELLED]

Postby Balin » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:19 pm

Woooo!!

Send some of that extra pizza over here, will ya?
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace [CANCELLED]

Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:23 pm

I'd love to, but the shipping costs are a little prohibitive.
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Re: [WiZ] The Office: A New Zealand Workplace [CANCELLED]

Postby peter365 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:57 am

Nice puzzle WiZ and a nice conversion by you Balin.

I have a bit of a habit of having a good idea for a solution but only asking part of it so I can make sure I'm on the right track. I had a fair idea of where this one was going but I'm not sure I'd have articulated it as well as Balin did though.

One of the things I enjoy most on this forum is the teamwork involved in solving these puzzles, so I'm happy to have provided the base to Balin's topping.

Oh and I agree that these people are clearly incompetent and should be fired immediately :lol:
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