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[WiZ] How this test was solved and where it got us

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:51 pm

A rich man instructs his employees to perform a certain action dozens of times a day. Nobody, not even he or fellow staff members, ever sees them do it. But he is firm about this policy. What are they being told to do, and why?

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Postby GalFisk » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:11 am

Do they actually do this? Is it possible to see if someone is doing this? Is it an action done with the body? The mind? Object(s)?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:40 am

relevant that he is rich? does he do the action? If not, because he didn't want? Is it important for him not to be seen while doing the action in order that the employees continue performing it? Is it possible for the rich man to do the action?

Does the action took much time? Like more than 10 minutes? More than 30 minutes? More than 1 hour? Less than 10 min? Does the action need to be performed more than once a day? If so is there a precise number of times? Every time something happens? Every time a certain work needs o be done? Relevant their profession? Do they work in a hotel? In restoration? In a bank? In health care? In production of goods? Is the action related with safety? Hygiene? Courtesy? Efficiency? Is a similar action performed in every firm of the same sector as the one of the rich man?

Action involves more than one person? Is it a salute?
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Postby peter365 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:01 am

Bows head before puzzle title ;)

In doing this Is the man's objective to improve his company's profitability? staff morale? Health & Safety? Is this a work related action? or more a lifestyle or mental wellbeing exercise?

Is the action mental like 'everyday I want you to think about ........'?
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Postby Balin » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:31 pm

Is it relevant how many employees the man has?
Do they work for his business? In his house?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:01 pm

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Do they actually do this? yes Is it possible to see if someone is doing this? no, under the circumstances Is it an action done with the body? yes The mind? It's not totally involuntary Object(s)? objects are involved

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relevant that he is rich? for context does he do the action? yes If not, because he didn't want? Is it important for him not to be seen while doing the action in order that the employees continue performing it? Is it possible for the rich man to do the action? n/a to all

Does the action took much time? no Like more than 10 minutes? More than 30 minutes? More than 1 hour? no to all Less than 10 min? yes Does the action need to be performed more than once a day? yes If so is there a precise number of times? no Every time something happens? yes Every time a certain work needs o be done? yes Relevant their profession? yes Do they work in a hotel? In restoration? In a bank? In health care? In production of goods? no to all Is the action related with safety? Hygiene? Courtesy? yesish, no to rest Efficiency? Is a similar action performed in every firm of the same sector as the one of the rich man? Probably, but very difficult to confirm

Action involves more than one person? yes Is it a salute? no

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Bows head before puzzle title ;) This title is a sad pun, told many times.

In doing this Is the man's objective to improve his company's profitability? world's smallest yes staff morale? not on purpose Health & Safety? no Is this a work related action? yes or more a lifestyle or mental wellbeing exercise? no

Is the action mental like 'everyday I want you to think about ........'? no, it is somatic

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Is it relevant how many employees the man has? no
Do they work for his business? yes In his house? no, small ish
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Postby Balin » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:12 am

Is the action active? Passive? Do all the employees do the action at the same time? Do they do it in pairs? In small groups? In large groups? All in one big group?
Is the action related to eating?
Do the employees work in some form of production? With money? With food?
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Postby WiZ » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:14 am

Is the action active? yes Passive? no Do all the employees do the action at the same time? no Do they do it in pairs? occasionally In small groups? also occasionally In large groups? *googles* also occasionally All in one big group? no
Is the action related to eating? no
Do the employees work in some form of production? no, defining 'production' based on your examples With money? With food? n/a to both
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Postby Earnest » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:10 am

is he aware that his employees do the acton? Does he want to see them doing it? is it a type of policy that could be somehow advertised? e.g. in TV advertisement or in packages (if there are) of the product of the firm it can be written/told that all the employees of the firm do that relevant action?

Profession...do they offer a good? A service? Is the action strictly related to the activity carried on? E.g. if they had worked in a restaurant for instance, would they have performed the same action?

Is the action in favor of a certain category of employees? E.g. mothers who need to bring children to work and fed children? Is the action performed mainly be male employees? Female employees? Both? Old employees? Young? Both?

Nobody, not even he or fellow staff members, ever sees them do it--> is it a "private" action? E.g. something done in the bathroom? is it an action performed before going to work? After? Or while working?
It involves more than one person...so two? three? five? more?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:49 pm

is he aware that his employees do the acton? yes Does he want to see them doing it? no is it a type of policy that could be somehow advertised? e.g. in TV advertisement or in packages (if there are) of the product of the firm it can be written/told that all the employees of the firm do that relevant action? this would be unlikely to be worthwhile

Profession...do they offer a good? A service? this Is the action strictly related to the activity carried on? yes E.g. if they had worked in a restaurant for instance, would they have performed the same action? They may well still perform this action (and it may be similarly driven by policy), but the circumstances would be different

Is the action in favor of a certain category of employees? going by your examples, no E.g. mothers who need to bring children to work and fed children? Is the action performed mainly be male employees? Female employees? Both? both Old employees? Young? Young, but this isn't as a result of the policy Both?

Nobody, not even he or fellow staff members, ever sees them do it--> is it a "private" action? It is done in public E.g. something done in the bathroom? no is it an action performed before going to work? After? Or while working? this
It involves more than one person...so two? three? five? more? potentially any of these
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Postby LemonCurry » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:06 am

Is everyone blind? Or blindfolded?
Is the action performed in total darkness? Can one hear the action? Feel? Smell?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:24 pm

Is everyone blind? no Or blindfolded? no, small ish
Is the action performed in total darkness? no Can one hear the action? Feel? Smell? no to these
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Postby LemonCurry » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:24 am

Is "not to be seen" part of the instruction?
Is the action concealed in some way? By clothing? By furniture?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:56 am

is he aware that his employees do the acton? yes ----> so employees are not seen performing the action, but the result of them having performed the action is evident right? I mean, it is evident if they had performed the action or not?

service provided = related to food? Health? Banks? Hotels? Rentals? Web services? Taxi? massage?

If so, is it because of an attitude they have? By the service provided? By the quality of the service provided? By the satisfaction of the clients who received the service?
Are the employees relevantly in contact with public? Do all the employees work in the same building? Is it physically possible to see them performing the action? Is there the necessity of seeing employees doing the action?

Is the service offered somehow "embarrassing" for the client who receive it?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:24 pm

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Is "not to be seen" part of the instruction? no
Is the action concealed in some way? yes By clothing? yesish By furniture? no

Earnest

is he aware that his employees do the acton? yes ----> so employees are not seen performing the action, but the result of them having performed the action is evident right? yes, very good I mean, it is evident if they had performed the action or not? yes

service provided = related to food? Health? Banks? Hotels? Rentals? Web services? Taxi? massage? no to all

If so (I assume we're still on the subject of Mr. Moneybags being aware that his employees are carrying out their instructions) , is it because of an attitude they have? no (although by fulfilling this requirement, their attitude would be affected) By the service provided? no By the quality of the service provided? yes By the satisfaction of the clients who received the service? yes
Are the employees relevantly in contact with public? yes Do all the employees work in the same building? no, but explore Is it physically possible to see them performing the action? no, under the circumstances Is there the necessity of seeing employees doing the action? no

Is the service offered somehow "embarrassing" for the client who receive it? no
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Postby LemonCurry » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:20 am

Yesish clothing: Shoes? Headwear? Gloves?
Does the action consist of small movements of body parts?
Like the old military trick "move your toes so you can stand still for longer"?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:12 am

Are them hostess or steward? models? Fashion agency? Is the service related to "beauty"? Photography?

Relevant action is referred to: hands? Feet? Teeth? Mouth? Ears? Arms? Legs? Breath?
Hold breath? Spread creams?

Is the advantage given by the action immediate? A long run advantage? Does its result become evident on the skin of the employee? Does it involve an item which is located under the clothes? Is the appearance of the employees different after they have performed the action? If someone see the employee before he undertook the action and after, are the differences that he/she notice on the employees mostly related to: employee's behavior? Employee's kindness? Employee's physical appearance? Employee's height? Employee's slimness?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:15 pm

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Yesish clothing: Shoes? no Headwear? small yes, big ish Gloves? no
Does the action consist of small movements of body parts? yes
Like the old military trick "move your toes so you can stand still for longer"? ORT

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Are them hostess or steward? noish models? yope Fashion agency? no Is the service related to "beauty"? no Photography? this is involved

Relevant action is referred to: hands? Feet? Teeth? yes Mouth? yes Ears? Arms? Legs? Breath?
Hold breath? Spread creams? no to these

Is the advantage given by the action immediate? yes A long run advantage? and also this Does its result become evident on the skin of the employee? no Does it involve an item which is located under the clothes? no Is the appearance of the employees different after they have performed the action? yes, beware FA If someone see the employee before he undertook the action and after, are the differences that he/she notice on the employees mostly related to: employee's behavior? yesish Employee's kindness? not really Employee's physical appearance? yesish Employee's height? no Employee's slimness? no
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Postby Balin » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:50 am

Is the action to brush their teeth?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:13 am

Is the action to brush their teeth? no
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Postby LemonCurry » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:57 am

Is it about nursing their teeth with the tongue? Or saliva? To avoid bad breath? Is any foreign substance involved?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:08 am

To be sure...photography = models for fashion magazines? Is the type of photography involved here, the one of models wearing clothes in magazines? Or a dynamic photography of models while walking the catwalk? Other types of photography? Is dynamism involved? I mean for example someone running or parachuting him/herself so that his mouth due to the wind for instance could assume a strange expression?

Going on with the libe of models...
Is it to have whiter teeth? To "wear" something on teeth? To "put" sonething on teeth?

Is it to assume a more photogenic picture? Like buting the inside of the mouth? Bite the inside of the cheeck? Is blod involved?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:33 pm

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Is it about nursing their teeth with the tongue? no Or saliva? no To avoid bad breath? no Is any foreign substance involved? no

Earnest

To be sure...photography = models for fashion magazines? this is not their job Is the type of photography involved here, the one of models wearing clothes in magazines? no Or a dynamic photography of models while walking the catwalk? no Other types of photography? yes Is dynamism involved? no; there are no extreme movements or actions involved I mean for example someone running or parachuting him/herself so that his mouth due to the wind for instance could assume a strange expression?

Going on with the libe of models...
Is it to have whiter teeth? no To "wear" something on teeth? no To "put" sonething on teeth? no

Is it to assume a more photogenic picture? yes, this is the general idea Like buting the inside of the mouth? Bite the inside of the cheeck? no to these Is blod involved? no
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Postby Balin » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:07 am

Is the action to put on a specific facial expression? A smile? Is the song "Put On a Happy Face" relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:23 am

Is the action to put on a specific facial expression? yes A smile? yes Is the song "Put On a Happy Face" relevant? no. wait. *googles*. no.
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Postby Balin » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:35 am

Is he trying to secretly improve their mood?
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Postby WiZ » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:58 am

Is he trying to secretly improve their mood? no (I'm not sure how effecitve workplace-enforced smiling is)
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Postby Earnest » Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:59 am

Ok so the idea is to put in a smile that is the more realistic as possible? The more spontaneous?

Are the employees the photographers? Or are the ones who are photographed? If the latter, did the man recommend them to think of having something in their mouth? Did he want them to assume an enigmatic smile? A smile of "happiness"? I mean...he wanted them to ezpress happiness? Did he want that the photography generates laughs when seen? Is tongue involved in the action? Is the action to avoid something related to the "fakeness" of their smile?

Did he want them to think about something funny? Tickling (tickling oneself in this case) ?relevant? If the employees are the photographers...did he want them to make the one photographed laugh?
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Postby WiZ » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:35 pm

Ok so the idea is to put in a smile that is the more realistic as possible? yes The more spontaneous? not really... 'natural' is probably a better descriptor

Are the employees the photographers? Or are the ones who are photographed? this If the latter, did the man recommend them to think of having something in their mouth? no Did he want them to assume an enigmatic smile? no A smile of "happiness"? Yes, by default I mean...he wanted them to ezpress happiness? yes, 'expression' is key Did he want that the photography generates laughs when seen? No, he assumes it will in any event Is tongue involved in the action? no/irrel Is the action to avoid something related to the "fakeness" of their smile? yesish, explore

Did he want them to think about something funny? the way the employee arrives at the smile is left up to them Tickling (tickling oneself in this case) ?relevant? no If the employees are the photographers...did he want them to make the one photographed laugh? n/a
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Postby Earnest » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:48 am

Did they need to relax the muscles of their faces? I mean, I suppose their job involves hours and hours of photographs right? If so, do they need to smile for hours? Is the action done in order to allow them to smile for long periods without having problems with the jaw?

Is the relevant action performed during photoshoots? Before? After? Are particular costumes relevant? Do they wear sonething on their mouth? Masks? Are them photographed while eating? Talking? Doing a relevant action with their mouth?

Action = open their mouth? Close their mouth? Assume a particular expression with their mouth in order to relax muscles? Wear sonething to facilitate the smile? Movements of the jaw involved?
Expression = of pure happiness? Smile with mouth closed?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:32 pm

Did they need to relax the muscles of their faces? no I mean, I suppose their job involves hours and hours of photographs right? If so, do they need to smile for hours? yes, although not continually Is the action done in order to allow them to smile for long periods without having problems with the jaw? no

Is the relevant action performed during photoshoots? yes Before? After? no to both Are particular costumes relevant? Yes! Do they wear sonething on their mouth? yesish Masks? yesish Are them photographed while eating? Talking? no to these Doing a relevant action with their mouth? Yes, but only if they're upholding the policy :)

Action = open their mouth? Close their mouth? Assume a particular expression with their mouth in order to relax muscles? Wear sonething to facilitate the smile? Movements of the jaw involved? This is all a bit specific. They smile.
Expression = of pure happiness? Ideally Smile with mouth closed? irrelevant
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:05 am

Do they smile with their mouths only? With their eyes as well? Hearing a smile in someone's voice relevant? do they wear masks in order to conceal the smile on their mouth? In order to conceal their identity? To express something festive? To avoid something contagious?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:15 am

costumes = relevantly make-up? Like they are disguised in such a way that they ned to assume a relevant position of their mouth so that the make-up around their mouths results in a smile as well? (don't know if it is clear...)

Or costumes = articles of clothing? On their face? If so...do they cover all their face? Just a part? Do they cover the mouth? are they masked like clowns?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:16 pm

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Do they smile with their mouths only? With their eyes as well? irrelevant; I would suggest that eye-smiling would lead to the best result Hearing a smile in someone's voice relevant? no do they wear masks in order to conceal the smile on their mouth? no In order to conceal their identity? no To express something festive? this is closest To avoid something contagious? no

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costumes = relevantly make-up? no Like they are disguised in such a way that they ned to assume a relevant position of their mouth so that the make-up around their mouths results in a smile as well? no (don't know if it is clear...) it was :)

Or costumes = articles of clothing? yes, DOYD of 'clothing'On their face? yes If so...do they cover all their face? yes Just a part? no Do they cover the mouth? yes (among other features) are they masked like clowns? 'clowns' is ORT-ish
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Postby Earnest » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:02 am

did they have something which impedes their movements? Like a fake nose? a fake beard? fake teeth?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:13 pm

Are they supposed to smile in order to: become happier? Exercise their smiling muscles? Affect people around them? Gain a benefit?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:38 pm

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did they have something which impedes their movements? no, not 'impede' Like a fake nose? a fake beard? fake teeth? potentially, the 'mask' could involve all of these

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Are they supposed to smile in order to: become happier? Exercise their smiling muscles? Affect people around them? this is closest Gain a benefit?
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Postby Balin » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:13 am

Is their smiling supposed to influence other people to smile?
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Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:15 am

Is their smiling supposed to influence other people to smile? no
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:49 am

Is the smile supposed to affect their demeanor, which again affects people they interact with? Is the smile supposed to affect their colleagues? Is someone knowing there's a smile under the mask relevant? Is the mask scary? Nice? Strange? Anonymous? Relevant?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:57 am

is it relevant to which the pictures are given? The purpose of the pictures?
is the movement of the cheeks when smiling relevant? do they show their teeth when smiling? Do they all need to perform a certain type of smile?

ok quite ambiguous questions...hope not too unclear...
do they all need to smile? do they actually smile? does it seem that they smile? can their mouth be seen in the photograph? By the photographer? Is the picture taken a classical picture with no relevant alterations? Is the picture going to be very small? Very big? Is the action undertaken for the final picture to express a sincere smile? I mean...I am thinking of stickers...like they were photographed but the resulting pictures are going to be very small...maybe if they don't undertake the action, the final smile in the sticker could result in another expression...don't know
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Re: [WiZ] How this test was solved and where it got us

Postby peter365 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:21 pm

Is halloween or Christmas relevant?
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Postby LemonCurry » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:55 pm

Are they wearing full-body costumes? Are they mascots? Disneyland characters or the like?
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Re: [WiZ] How this test was solved and where it got us

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:00 pm

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Is the smile supposed to affect their demeanor, which again affects people they interact with? Is the smile supposed to affect their colleagues? Is someone knowing there's a smile under the mask relevant? Is the mask scary? Nice? Strange? Anonymous? Relevant?

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is it relevant to which the pictures are given? The purpose of the pictures? only for context
is the movement of the cheeks when smiling relevant? not the cheeks, but the effect of the smile on body language is relevant do they show their teeth when smiling? assume yes Do they all need to perform a certain type of smile? no

ok quite ambiguous questions...hope not too unclear...
do they all need to smile? this is the policy do they actually smile? yes does it seem that they smile? it is not obvious to most people that they are smiling can their mouth be seen in the photograph? no! By the photographer? n/a Is the picture taken a classical picture with no relevant alterations? yes, in almost all cases Is the picture going to be very small? Very big? no/irrel to both Is the action undertaken for the final picture to express a sincere smile? I mean...I am thinking of stickers...like they were photographed but the resulting pictures are going to be very small...maybe if they don't undertake the action, the final smile in the sticker could result in another expression...don't know The final outcome will not affect how the 'smile' appears

Peter

Is halloween or Christmas relevant? No, but we're getting warmer

LemonCurry

Are they wearing full-body costumes? Yes! Are they mascots? Disneyland characters this! or the like?

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Walt Disney had a policy to make his park employees smile inside their full-body costumes when they were being photographed. By smiling, they influenced their body language in a way that was observable even with the costume on - warmer, friendlier and livelier.


Well done, LemonCurry, on making the right lateral leap. Good job Earnest, GalFisk, Peter et al for great questions and tenacity, and thank you, everyone for playing.
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Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:01 am

Very nice!!!
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Postby peter365 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:39 pm

Nice one
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