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[WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:20 pm

A man is standing alone in front of a locked door. He holds in his hand the key that will allow him to unlock and open the door. He wishes to pass through this door immediately; however, he does not unlock it for another hour. Why not?

ROIMBT. Caveat Earlispoilor.
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby Balin » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:58 pm

I think I read this one too... PMing.
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:21 am

Oh, no, it's happening again. You are correct.
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby GalFisk » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:47 am

Is he physically unable to unlock it? Is he mentally unable? Such as frozen with fear? Asleep? Is it dangerous to unlock it? Relevant where the door leads? Other people relevant? Animals? Danger?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby LemonCurry » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:13 am

Is it a usual mechanic key? Or an electronic key? Is it battery powered? Solar powered? Does the key only work at certain hours?

Is the sermon of the mount relevant in any way?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby peter365 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:14 am

Is this puzzle to be taken literally or could it refer to any manufacturers of diary produce?


Is this a real life situation? is he playing a video game? Is there any relevant sign on the door? Would he physically have been capable of opening the door an hour before he actually did? Was he mistaken about something?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:25 am

Is the key an ordinary one? ...had he waited for 1 min more or one minite less woukd he be abke to unlock the door? Would it be safe?

Was the door with window panes? Was him in a room? In outside? Door = an usual door constructed to enter a building\room which was present at the time the door needed to be opened by the man right?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:55 pm

GalFisk

Is he physically unable to unlock it? no Is he mentally unable? he is mentally capable of unlocking a door Such as frozen with fear? Asleep? no to these Is it dangerous to unlock it? no Relevant where the door leads? yes, for context Other people relevant? not directly Animals? no Danger? not in any real sense

LemonCurry'

Is it a usual mechanic key? yes Or an electronic key? no Is it battery powered? no Solar powered? no Does the key only work at certain hours? no

Is the sermon of the mount relevant in any way? To this very day. But not to this puzzle.

Peter

Is this puzzle to be taken literally or could it refer to any manufacturers of diary produce? Look, you've got it all wrong. You don't need my answer to this question. You don't need anyone's answer! You can think for yourself! You are an individual, just like everyone else.

Is this a real life situation? yes is he playing a video game? no Is there any relevant sign on the door? no Would he physically have been capable of opening the door an hour before he actually did? yes Was he mistaken about something? very much so

Earnest

Is the key an ordinary one? yes ...had he waited for 1 min more or one minite less woukd he be abke to unlock the door? yes Would it be safe? yes

Was the door with window panes? no Was him in a room? he was In outside? no Door = an usual door constructed to enter a building\room which was present at the time the door needed to be opened by the man right? correct
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby Earnest » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:49 am

Was there just one door right? And he needed to exit a room and enter another room?

Did he nned to wait for something to happen? Was there someone in the other room?
Room = room of an house? Particular conditions relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby WiZ » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:27 pm

Was there just one door right? correct And he needed to exit a room and enter another room? yes

Did he nned to wait for something to happen? no Was there someone in the other room? yes
Room = room of an house? yesish Particular conditions relevant? please rephrase to be more specific
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby Earnest » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:56 am

Sorry for the last question...it was about the temperature of the room where he was...weather there were particular temperature conditions...

Someone in the other room...did he know that? If so, thanks to the noise the other person did? Was the other person related to him? Friend? Wife? Son? Daughter? Mom? Dad?

Did the someone in the room know that he was there? That he was in the other room? Was the hole puzzle focused on a surprise? Was the man standing in front of the locked door previously in the room where the other person found himself?

Can we call man in front of the door John? If so...was John embarassed? Did he want to see the other person? Was John waiting for midnight to come? E.g....John was masked as Santa Claus...
Will John enter the room? If so, will he make noise when entering the room? Will there be the someone in the room when John will enter?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:40 pm

Sorry for the last question...it was about the temperature of the room where he was...weather there were particular temperature conditions... Ah, gotcha. Temperature is irrelevant.

Someone in the other room...did he know that? yes If so, thanks to the noise the other person did? no Was the other person related to him? no Friend? Wife? Son? Daughter? Mom? Dad? n/a to all

Did the someone in the [other] room know that he was there? yes That he was in the other room? yes Was the hole puzzle focused on a surprise? yope Was the man standing in front of the locked door previously in the room where the other person found himself? Yes

Can we call man in front of the door John? Sure If so...was John embarassed? At the time, no, but later yes Did he want to see the other person? yes Was John waiting for midnight to come? no E.g....John was masked as Santa Claus... Nice, but no
Will John enter the room? yes If so, will he make noise when entering the room? irrelevant Will there be the someone in the room when John will enter? yes

Feel free to name the person in the other room. Gender is irrelevant.
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby GalFisk » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:02 am

Let's put Jane on the other room.
Is John waiting for something? Is John mistaken about Jane? About the door? The key? The room he is in? Is he in a bathroom? Closet? Did he lock the door?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby Earnest » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:18 am

...was John naked? (strange question...but if you want I'll explain it at the end)
did John want to make a surprise? If so, to the person in the other room?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby WiZ » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:08 pm

GalFisk

Let's put Jane on the other room. Jane is now in place.
Is John waiting for something? no Is John mistaken about Jane? no About the door? yope The key? yes The room he is in? yesishIs he in a bathroom? Closet? no to these Did he lock the door? no

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...was John naked? no (strange question...but if you want I'll explain it at the end) Please do.
did John want to make a surprise? no If so, to the person in the other room? no
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby Earnest » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:08 am

so John hoped that Jane didn't know that he was on the other side of the door?

Were they playing a game? Did Jane know that the person on the other side of the door was John? Or Did Jane see the shadow of John and knew that there was someone on the other side but she didn't know precisely who? Did John forced the door? Was Jane afraid? Did John and Jane communicate to each other? Could John simply knock at the door? Was it the main door of the house? Did Jane and John want to meet secretly?

John and Jane related? Was John a criminal?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby GalFisk » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:09 pm

Does he think there is something wrong with the key? That he has the wrong key? Is he trying to use the key? Is he unable to figure out how to use the key? Is it a normal key for a normal keyhole? Relevant which way the door opens? Did John succeed in unlocking the dor, but believe he didn't? Did he need Jane's help in order to finally pass through the door?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby WiZ » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:13 pm

Earnest

so John hoped that Jane didn't know that he was on the other side of the door? incorrect

Were they playing a game? yes, of sorts Did Jane know that the person on the other side of the door was John? yes Or Did Jane see the shadow of John and knew that there was someone on the other side but she didn't know precisely who? no Did John forced the door? no Was Jane afraid? no Did John and Jane communicate to each other? yes, but be careful Could John simply knock at the door? Yes, he could perform that action Was it the main door of the house? no Did Jane and John want to meet secretly? no

John and Jane related? assume no Was John a criminal? no

GalFisk

Does he think there is something wrong with the key? no That he has the wrong key? yesish, explore Is he trying to use the key? On the door? No Is he unable to figure out how to use the key? no Is it a normal key for a normal keyhole? yes Relevant which way the door opens? no Did John succeed in unlocking the dor, but believe he didn't? no Did he need Jane's help in order to finally pass through the door? He didn't need it, but could have benefited from it.
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby GalFisk » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:45 am

Does he think the key is damaged? That the lock is wrong? Did he insert the key in the keyhole? Did he try but fail to insert it? If he did insert it, did he turn it? Or try but fail to turn it? Turn it the wrong way? Turn it too little? Too much (if that's possible)?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby Earnest » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:13 am

so John and Jane were in the same house but in two different rooms right? And both of them know precisely who was there on the other side of the door, right?

did John knock at the door? If so, after having tried the key? Before? And again, did Jane open the door? If not, relevant the reason why? Relevant how John got the key? did Jane have a key as well? did Jane give John the key? If so, minutes before? Hours before? Days before?

comunicate to each other = knocking at the door? talking? If not "talking", because they weren't allow to do that? Because they didn't want to be heard? because it was part of the game? Because they were mute?
game...was the objective to enter Jane's room? did John need a password?

Was Jane's room locked? (I mean...it is possible that it was unlocked and John tried to unlock it with the key without success because it was already unlocked?...hope not for John) If so, relevant why Jane's room was locked? Was it something written that impede John to enter before an hour? A sort of rule? A precaution? Did he need to wait for something?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:33 pm

GalFisk

Does he think the key is damaged? no That the lock is wrong? Strongly DOYD of 'Wrong' Did he insert the key in the keyhole? yes, eventuallyDid he try but fail to insert it? no If he did insert it, did he turn it? yes Or try but fail to turn it? no Turn it the wrong way? no Turn it too little? no Too much (if that's possible)? no

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so John and Jane were in the same houseish but in two different rooms right? correct And both of them know precisely who was there on the other side of the door, right? yes

did John knock at the door? no If so, after having tried the key? Before? n/a And again, did Jane open the door? no If not, relevant the reason why? for context Relevant how John got the key? yes did Jane have a key as well? yes did Jane give John the key? yesish If so, minutes before? this Hours before? Days before?

comunicate to each other = knocking at the door? talking? thisish If not "talking", because they weren't allow to do that? Because they didn't want to be heard? n/a because it was part of the game? although this is a factor Because they were mute? no
game...was the objective to enter Jane's room? yes did John need a password? no

Was Jane's room locked? yes (I mean...it is possible that it was unlocked and John tried to unlock it with the key without success because it was already unlocked? no ...hope not for John) If so, relevant why Jane's room was locked? yes Was it something written that impede John to enter before an hour? no A sort of rule? no A precaution? no, although this is closest Did he need to wait for something? no
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby hoodie » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:05 pm

Does John initially think that the key won't successfully open the door?
Does he wait for an hour because the key needs to be put to some other use during that hour?
Does he wait simply because the rules of the game mandate it? If not, then because he thinks the rules mandate it, even though they don't?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:32 pm

Does John initially think that the key won't successfully open the door? yes!
Does he wait for an hour because the key needs to be put to some other use during that hour? no, the key has no other use
Does he wait simply because the rules of the game mandate it? no If not, then because he thinks the rules mandate it, even though they don't? no
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby hoodie » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:47 pm

Does he think it won't open the door because he thinks Jane gave him a key to a room other than the room she is in?
Does he know he is standing in front of the door that Jane is behind?
Does he think the key won't fit the lock? That the lock is broken? Or does he think that some other external factor will prevent the door from opening?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby WiZ » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:22 pm

Does he think it won't open the door because he thinks Jane gave him a key to a room other than the room she is in? yesish, explore
Does he know he is standing in front of the door that Jane is behind? yes
Does he think the key won't fit the lock? yes (until he discovers that it does) That the lock is broken? no Or does he think that some other external factor will prevent the door from opening? no

Getting close now.
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby Earnest » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:54 am

well...was Jane's key in the keyhole and so John was not able to open the door even though the key fitted? Did John tried the key also on other doors?

Is it a door that need the key to be turned more than once to be opened? If so did John know it? Did he try to turn the key more than once?
Did John eventually turned the key correctly but had problems with the handle of the door and got discouraged?

Did Jane told something relevant to John before giving him the key?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby biograd » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:29 pm

Is this a real-life "escape the room" puzzle? If so, did John think that the key was for one of the puzzles in the room, although he had in fact found the final key to get out?
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Re: [WiZ] Matthew 7:7

Postby WiZ » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:06 pm

Biograd

Is this a real-life "escape the room" puzzle? yes If so, did John think that the key was for one of the puzzles in the room, although he had in fact found the final key to get out? exactly

***** SPOILER *****

John is in an escape room. He has found the key that will allow him to unlock the door and exit. However, he strongly suspects that the puzzle is more difficult than it really is, so he tries the key on every box, drawer, and cupboard in the room, pursuing more and more complicated schemes before finally realising the simplicity of the path!


Well done, Biograd, and thank you everyone else for playing.
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