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Postby Admin » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:16 am

It is very old. It used to be that everyone could use it but for the last 100 years Americans have only been able to use it in the USA and Canada and not outside. What is it?
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:53 pm

Is it an object? A law? A rule? A language? Money? Something else carrying value? Something abstract? Americans: everyone from the Americas?
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Postby Admin » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:33 pm

Galfisk,

Is it an object? A law? A rule? A language? Money?
NO

Something else carrying value?
YES

Something abstract?
YES - ISH

Americans: everyone from the Americas?
NO
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Postby Balin » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:18 pm

Can non-Americans use it? If so, anywhere? Within the US/Canada? Within their own countries?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:25 pm

Does it have a physical form? Does it exist in discrete quantities? Does its 'use' diminish its supply at all?

Is it physically/logically possible for an American to use it outside of North America? Would it be illegal? Immoral? Ineffective? Not recognised, for whatever reason? Could an American use it in Greenland? St. Pierre and Miquelon?
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Postby Admin » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:38 pm

Balin,

Can non-Americans use it?
YES

If so, anywhere? Within the US/Canada?
ANYWHERE OUTSIDE USA & CANADA

Within their own countries?
YES
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Postby Admin » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:41 pm

WIZ,

Does it have a physical form?
YES

Does it exist in discrete quantities?
? ANSWER IS PROBABLY NO

Does its 'use' diminish its supply at all?
NO

Is it physically/logically possible for an American to use it outside of North America?
YES

Would it be illegal?
YES

Immoral? Ineffective? Not recognised, for whatever reason?
SOMEWHAT, PROBABLY, NO

Could an American use it in Greenland? St. Pierre and Miquelon?
NO, NO
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Re: [Admin] Use it Carefully

Postby biograd » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:20 pm

So based on the "physical form" answer, I'm assuming it isn't a word (I mean, I guess a word does have a "physical form" when it's written in pencil or ink on a page, but that's stretching it)?

Is it something man-made? something issued by/on behalf of a government?

If someone were to use one of these, would that person still possess it afterward? If so, then if he/she were to give it to someone else, could that other person also use it?
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Postby Admin » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:53 pm

Biograd,

So based on the "physical form" answer, I'm assuming it isn't a word (I mean, I guess a word does have a "physical form" when it's written in pencil or ink on a page, but that's stretching it)?
I DISAGREE

Is it something man-made?

YES

something issued by/on behalf of a government?
NO

If someone were to use one of these, would that person still possess it afterward?
NO

If so, then if he/she were to give it to someone else, could that other person also use it?
YES - SUBJECT TO THE RESTRICTIONS ABOVE
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Postby Balin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:32 am

Is it related to technology? To phones? Computers?
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Postby Admin » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:48 am

Balin,

Is it related to technology? To phones? Computers?
YES, NO, NO
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Postby Insight » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:57 am

Someone invented it? Someone discovered it?
It´s something that can be bought or sold? It´s a service?
That something was first used in the 20th century? 19th? 18th? earlier?
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Postby Admin » Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:41 am

Insight,

Someone invented it?
NOT EXACTLY BUT YES

Someone discovered it?
NO

It´s something that can be bought or sold?
YES - BUT IT NEVER HAS BEEN

It´s a service?
NOT REALLY

That something was first used in the 20th century? 19th? 18th? earlier?
17TH CENTURY!
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Postby peter365 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:23 am

Is it something that's conferred on somebody?

In theory could this be willed? or does everybody have this so there'd be no point?

Are there any age restrictions? Are peoples rights relevant?
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Postby Admin » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:43 pm

Peter,

Is it something that's conferred on somebody?
NO

In theory could this be willed?
IN THEORY YES, IN PRACTICE NO

or does everybody have this so there'd be no point?
NO

Are there any age restrictions? Are peoples rights relevant?
NO, HUMAN RIGHTS NO
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Postby irishelk » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:44 pm

Is it a word? Is it a name? If so, the person's name given at birth? A middle name? A name taken at christening or another religious ceremony? A nickname?
Social Security number? Other method of legal identification?

So it is illegal for an American/Canadian to use it outside of North America? Is this according to the laws of the U.S.? Of Canada? Of every other country? Of a multinational organization?

And non-Americans can't use it in North America--is that also illegal? If so, by the laws of the U.S.? Of Canada? Of their home country? Of a multinational organization?
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Postby Admin » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:49 pm

Irishelk

Is it a word? Is it a name?
YES (MORE A PHRASE), YES


If so, the person's name given at birth?
PARTLY

A middle name? A name taken at christening or another religious ceremony? A nickname?
Social Security number? Other method of legal identification?
NO


So it is illegal for an American/Canadian to use it outside of North America? Is this according to the laws of the U.S.? Of Canada? Of every other country? Of a multinational organization?
NOT SURE BUT PROBABLY YES TO THOSE

And non-Americans can't use it in North America--is that also illegal? If so, by the laws of the U.S.? Of Canada? Of their home country? Of a multinational organization?
NOT SURE BUT PROBABLY YES TO THOSE
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Postby peter365 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:23 am

Has this anything to do with adding a number to your name e.g. Davis Love III ?
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Postby Admin » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:10 am

Peter,

Has this anything to do with adding a number to your name e.g. Davis Love III ?
NO - but maybe that could make another puzzle.
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Postby Balin » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:18 pm

Not a number but possibly a suffix? (Jr., Sr.)
Is it an initial?
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Postby Admin » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:31 am

Hi Balin,

Not a number but possibly a suffix? (Jr., Sr.)
Is it an initial?

NO

CLUE - IT IS A NAME
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Postby irishelk » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:46 pm

Is it one particular name? If so, first? Last? Both together?

Does it mean something different outside of America?
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Postby Admin » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:11 am

Irishelk,

Is it one particular name? If so, first? Last? Both together?
YES, MORE THAN ONE WORD

Does it mean something different outside of America?
YES
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Postby Balin » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:35 am

Does the name have a negative connotation outside America? Does it mean something negative outside America?
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Postby Admin » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:30 pm

Balin

Does the name have a negative connotation outside America? Does it mean something negative outside America?
NOT AT ALL
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Postby peter365 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:22 pm

Any relevant patent or copyright infringements ?
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Postby Admin » Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:41 pm

Peter,

Any relevant patent or copyright infringements ?
NOT RELEVANT
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Postby irishelk » Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:41 pm

Is it a person's name? If so, one particular person? Is it a phrase that contains a person's name and other words?

Is it a name containing connector words like "de la" or "al-"?
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Postby Admin » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:19 am

Irishelk,

Is it a person's name? If so, one particular person?
YES - IT INCLUDES A PERSON'S NAME, YES

Is it a phrase that contains a person's name and other words?
YES

Is it a name containing connector words like "de la" or "al-"?
NO
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Postby Balin » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:26 am

Is it the name of one specific person? Rather than a name in general?
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Postby trebor » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:50 pm

Is it a name for something non-human, and a person's name is included in it? (Like Mount Everest, for example.) Is it a geographic feature? A political region (country, county, province, etc.)?
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Postby Admin » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:27 am

Balin,

Is it the name of one specific person?
ORIGINALLY YES AND NOW NO

Rather than a name in general?
NOW A NAME IN GENERAL
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Postby Admin » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:28 am

TREBOR,

Is it a name for something non-human, and a person's name is included in it? (Like Mount Everest, for example.)
YES

Is it a geographic feature? A political region (country, county, province, etc.)?
NO, NO
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Postby irishelk » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:51 pm

Nice one, trebor.

Is it a household item? A vehicle? Some kind of place name, like a building or park? Is the person's name a brand name, or part of one?

So, do people outside America have a different name for this? One without the person's name? If so, does it have the other word(s) in common with the American name (in English-speaking countries at least)?

If an American were to use the name-phrase to a non-American, would they think it referred to a different thing? If so, a thing in the same general category as what Americans mean by it? Would they think the person's name in the phrase was not a person's name, but referred to something else?
Outside of America, is there another person with that name who is more famous? Or does the same person maybe have a different legacy/reputation outside of America?
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Postby trebor » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:19 pm

Was the person named in this thing born in the 17th century? Are they well-known? If so, did they achieve their renown in the 17th century? Was the person a HAM? Were they from the UK? France? Italy? Another European country? Were they an artist? Inventor? Thinker? Scientist? Explorer? Political figure? Military figure?
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Postby Admin » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:53 pm

Irishelk,

Is it a household item? A vehicle? Some kind of place name, like a building or park?
NO

Is the person's name a brand name, or part of one?
YES - ISH

So, do people outside America have a different name for this? One without the person's name?
YES, NO

If so, does it have the other word(s) in common with the American name (in English-speaking countries at least)?
YES

If an American were to use the name-phrase to a non-American, would they think it referred to a different thing?
YES

If so, a thing in the same general category as what Americans mean by it?
YES

Would they think the person's name in the phrase was not a person's name, but referred to something else?
WRONG LINE

Outside of America, is there another person with that name who is more famous?
WRONG LINE

Or does the same person maybe have a different legacy/reputation outside of America?
NO
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Postby Admin » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:55 pm

TREBOR,

Was the person named in this thing born in the 17th century?
YES

Are they well-known?
A LITTLE

If so, did they achieve their renown in the 17th century?
AT FIRST

Was the person a HAM?
YES

Were they from the UK? France? Italy?
NO

Another European country?
YES

Were they an artist? Inventor? Thinker? Scientist? Explorer? Political figure? Military figure?
SCIENTIST
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Postby peter365 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:20 am

Is this the name of something scientific , like a measurement scale?
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Postby Admin » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:11 pm

Peter,

Is this the name of something scientific , like a measurement scale?
LOOSELY YES BUT NOT LIKE YOUR EXAMPLE.

CLUE - THE CHANGE OF USE IN THE USA STARTED IN 1917
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Postby Balin » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:32 pm

1917 - is World War I relevant? Was the change made on account of the war?
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Postby Admin » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:52 pm

Balin,

1917 - is World War I relevant? Was the change made on account of the war?
YES, YES
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Postby peter365 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:56 pm

So our Scientist was a german?
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Postby Admin » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:54 pm

Peter,
So our Scientist was a german?
HOW RIGHT YOU ARE
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Re: [Admin] Use it Carefully

Postby biograd » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:12 pm

Much earlier in this puzzle, you said that it would be illegal to "use it" in other countries, but in other replies you implied that the item itself exists elsewhere in the world. So I wanted to clarify in what sense this is true.

Suppose for a moment that the item is a Geiger counter (it very probably isn't, but for the purpose of these questions imagine it is). Then do you mean that it's legal to sell an item that measures radiation in the same manner, but not to market it specifically as a "Geiger counter", as opposed to for example a "particle counter" or "radiation meter"? Or do you mean that in legal documents it is void to claim that something was accomplished "using a Geiger counter" because this has no accepted definition? Or, alternately, would it actually mean that a device that is functionally equivalent to a Geiger counter can't legally be sold there? or cannot even be possessed?
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Postby Admin » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:10 pm

Biograd,

After 1917 Americans and Canadians could use the term to describe what it was in North America in North America. But if they used the term outside North America to mean what it meant in North America that would be illegal as it meant something else in the rest of the world.
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Postby Balin » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:51 pm

Does the term, outside of North America, refer to something that is illegal? Is it illegal to say that thing outside of North America?
Is Leibniz the scientist in question?
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Postby Admin » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:12 pm

Balin,

Does the term, outside of North America, refer to something that is illegal? Is it illegal to say that thing outside of North America?
NO, NO

Is Leibniz the scientist in question?
NO
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Postby peter365 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:26 am

Is Kepler our man? Astronomy relevant?
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Postby Admin » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:18 am

Peter,

Is Kepler our man? Astronomy relevant?
NO NO

I suspect that you will have heard of the name but not of the man.
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Postby peter365 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:13 pm

Is the thing related to weaponry? fortifications? perhaps the name of a strategy?

Did the Americans use this terminology during the war? or was it a term applied later on ?
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Postby Admin » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:43 pm

Peter,

Is the thing related to weaponry? fortifications? perhaps the name of a strategy?
NO

Did the Americans use this terminology during the war? or was it a term applied later on ?
USED BEFORE AND AFTER THE WAR
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Re: [Admin] Use it Carefully

Postby biograd » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:25 pm

So the item it referred to in the rest of the world was/is NOT illegal? It's the reference to it when trying to refer to the thing it meant in North America that is "illegal"? So, let me ask two of my previous questions in this new context, namely:

Is this in the context of marketing--In other words, would selling something as this in the rest of the world be illegally misrepresenting a product? Or, is it in reference to something that could appear in a legal document, where referring to this thing would imply something false?
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Postby Admin » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:44 am

Biograd,

So the item it referred to in the rest of the world was/is NOT illegal? It's the reference to it when trying to refer to the thing it meant in North America that is "illegal"?
BROADLY CORRECT

So, let me ask two of my previous questions in this new context, namely:

Is this in the context of marketing--In other words, would selling something as this in the rest of the world be illegally misrepresenting a product?
YES

Or, is it in reference to something that could appear in a legal document, where referring to this thing would imply something false?
YES
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Postby irishelk » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:30 pm

Just because I'm getting lost: before 1917, North America and the rest of the world used the same name to refer to the same thing? And after 1917, America started using a different name within its borders? And the rest of the world continued using the old name? Or was it the rest of the world that changed the name while America kept using the old one?

In North America, was the pre-1917 name the one that contained a German scientist? If so, did America change it so it would not seem associated with Axis powers?

Or was the post-1917 name in North America the one that contained the German scientist's name? If so, was this because the German scientist moved to/worked in America?

Is it a food? Medicine? An element? A lab-created chemical?
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Postby Admin » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:39 am

Irishelk,

Just because I'm getting lost: before 1917, North America and the rest of the world used the same name to refer to the same thing?
CORRECT

And after 1917, America started using a different name within its borders?
NO - THEY CONTINUED WITHIN THEIR BORDERS

And the rest of the world continued using the old name?
YES

Or was it the rest of the world that changed the name while America kept using the old one?
NO

In North America, was the pre-1917 name the one that contained a German scientist?
YES

If so, did America change it so it would not seem associated with Axis powers?
NO

Or was the post-1917 name in North America the one that contained the German scientist's name?
YES

If so, was this because the German scientist moved to/worked in America?
NO - HE WAS LONG DEAD

Is it a food? Medicine? An element? A lab-created chemical?
NO
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Re: [Admin] Use it Carefully

Postby trebor » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:48 am

So pre-1917 the world referred to this thing with one name? And post-1917 the USA and Canada continued using the same name for it? And post-1917 the rest of the world continued using the same name for it as well? Is it something that was made differently post-1917 in the rest of the world but was made the same in the USA and Canada? So that perhaps when it was being referred to by a different name outside of those countries, it was referring to a different version (if that's what it could be called) of the thing?

Is the thing commonly used in the USA and Canada? Legally? Is it commonly used elsewhere? Legally? Is it a household item? An item used in a school or academic institution? Is it used in the workplace? Is it used for entertainment? Do you think it be likely that I, as a Canadian, would have one in my home? Would it be likely that I have used one before? Seen one in person?
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Re: [Admin] Use it Carefully

Postby Admin » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:05 am

Trebor,

So pre-1917 the world referred to this thing with one name?
YES

And post-1917 the USA and Canada continued using the same name for it?
YES LOCALLY

And post-1917 the rest of the world continued using the same name for it as well?
YES IN 191 COUNTRIES

Is it something that was made differently post-1917 in the rest of the world but was made the same in the USA and Canada?
IT DID BECOME DIFFERENT

So that perhaps when it was being referred to by a different name outside of those countries, it was referring to a different version (if that's what it could be called) of the thing?
YES

Is the thing commonly used in the USA and Canada? Legally?
WITHIN ITS FIELD YES. YES.

Is it commonly used elsewhere? Legally?
YES

Is it a household item? An item used in a school or academic institution? Is it used in the workplace? Is it used for entertainment? Do you think it be likely that I, as a Canadian, would have one in my home? Would it be likely that I have used one before? Seen one in person?
NO - WRONG ASSUMPTIONS. IT MAY BE USED IN SOME WORKPLACES.
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Re: [Admin] Use it Carefully

Postby Admin » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:25 pm

* * * SPOILER * * *

This puzzle has dragged on a while and run out of steam so I will post the answer.

The answer is the name Merck and Co. The company was established in 1891 as the United States subsidiary of the German company Merck, which was founded in Germany in 1668 by Jacob Merck. Merck & Co. was nationalized by the US government during World War I and subsequently established as an independent American company in 1917. While it operates as Merck & Co. in North America, the original Merck based in Darmstadt holds the rights to the Merck name everywhere else. Merck & Co. is the world's seventh largest pharmaceutical company by market capitalization and revenue. Its headquarters is located in Kenilworth, New Jersey.
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