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[WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby WiZ » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:08 pm

A young woman is sitting on a chair, holding a book. Although nobody is reading it, she is turning the pages slowly. As she turns the pages, a single tear rolls down her cheek. What is happening?

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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby Enjay » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:58 pm

Nobody is reading it - so she is also not reading it? Is the book turned towards her? Could she read the book? Can she see?

Is she crying? If so, because she is sad? Happy?

Is she in a building? Outside? Is anyone else with her?

Is the book fiction? Relevant what language it is written in? Is there anything written in it?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby WiZ » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:12 pm

Nobody is reading it - so she is also not reading it? correct Is the book turned towards her? no Could she read the book? yes (generally speaking) Can she see? yes

Is she crying? yes If so, because she is sad? yes Happy? no

Is she in a building? yes Outside? no Is anyone else with her? yes

Is the book fiction? yes Relevant what language it is written in? no Is there anything written in it? yes
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby Enjay » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:21 pm

Has she previously read the book? Does she know what the book contains?

Is there one other person with her? Two? More? Are they family members of the woman's? Friends? Strangers? Children? Is she showing the book to someone else? Or trying to? Does she think someone else is reading it? Does she want someone else to read it?

Has the woman just found out something that makes her sad? Is the reason she is sad something to do with the book? With the other person/people in the room?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby WiZ » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:25 pm

Has she previously read the book? most probably Does she know what the book contains? yes

Is there one other person with her? yes Two? no More? Are they family members of the woman's? yes Friends? Strangers? Children? yes Is she showing the book to someone else? yes Or trying to? Does she think someone else is reading it? yope Does she want someone else to read it? no

Has the woman just found out something that makes her sad? no Is the reason she is sad something to do with the book? somewhat With the other person/people in the room? somewhat
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby Enjay » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:34 pm

Is the other person her son? Daughter? Is she showing the book to the child? Can the child read? Is it a children's book? A picture book?

Is she crying because the child is not reading the book? Is she trying to teach the child to read? Is it a bedtime story?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby WiZ » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:38 pm

Is the other person her son? Daughter? Her child, gender is irrelevant Is she showing the book to the child? yes Can the child read? they are learning Is it a children's book? A picture book? yes to both

Is she crying because the child is not reading the book? no Is she trying to teach the child to read? yes, but that's kind of a subsidiary point Is it a bedtime story? yes!
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:29 am

Is the child sleeping? Paying attention to the book?
Is she sad because of something with the child? Is it sick? Dying?
Are other people relevant? Are any details of the story relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby Earnest » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:02 am

Were them in their house? In an hospital? Has a tragedy haopened? If so, a tragedy for her own child as LemonCurry suggested? A tragedy for her family in a while? A tragedy for every human being? For the population of a city?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:58 pm

LemonCurry

Is the child sleeping? no Paying attention to the book? yes
Is she sad because of something with the child? not most relevantly Is it sick? Dying? no; assume (s)he is healthy
Are other people relevant? yes Are any details of the story relevant? no

Earnest

Were them in their house? yes In an hospital? no Has a tragedy haopened? no If so, a tragedy for her own child as LemonCurry suggested? A tragedy for her family in a while? although there is no 'tragedy', this is the scope of the circumstances which are making the mother sad A tragedy for every human being? For the population of a city?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby Enjay » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:40 pm

Is the child's father relevant? Another family member?
Would the mother have been sad before she started reading the book?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:59 pm

Is the child's father relevant? yes Another family member?
Would the mother have been sad before she started yes reading FA the book?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby Enjay » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:29 pm

Is the child's father dead? Are the two still together? Is he living with the child and mother? Is the mother sad about something to do with the father?

Did the father buy the book? Does the book have some connection to him?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:43 pm

Is the child's father dead? no Are the two still together? yes Is he living with the child and mother? yes Is the mother sad about something to do with the father? yes

Did the father buy the book? probably, but irrelevant Does the book have some connection to him? not especially
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby Enjay » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:51 pm

Does the mother's sadness relate to her relationship with the father? The father's health? Work? Their living situation? The father's relationship with the child? Do they only have the one child? Relevant?

Is it relevant why the father is not in the room with the mother and child? Why he is not the one teaching the child to read?

Is the mother not reading because she is trying to get the child to read for themself? Or is there more to why she isn't reading that we should explore?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:16 pm

Does the mother's sadness relate to her relationship with the father? yesish The father's health? no Work? yes Their living situation? yes The father's relationship with the child? yesish Do they only have the one child? irrelevant Relevant?

Is it relevant why the father is not in the room with the mother and child? yes Why he is not the one teaching the child to read? no/FA

Is the mother not reading because she is trying to get the child to read for themself? no Or is there more to why she isn't reading that we should explore? yes
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby LemonCurry » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:46 am

Is the child fed up with the story? But they are poor and can‘t afford another book?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby Earnest » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:46 am

Does she turn the pages slowly? Quickly? Page after page (every single page)? Relevant? Nobody is reading the book = nobody is looking at the book? Little WAG --> I was thinking at those pictured books which you turn the pages quickly and it seems that pictures of the book move. In that case it could be that the story was related to their familiar situation?

Was the book an old one? A new one?
Work related = the problema was money? Time spend with the children? The fact that it was a risky job? Was the child born?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby peter365 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:16 am

Do we need to establish the nature of the story? Is it a classic fairytale?

Is it a pop-up book? Is there anything unusual about it?

Does the father spend a lot of time away from the home? Does he work abroad or on an oil rig or something?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby WiZ » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:28 pm

LemonCurry

Is the child fed up with the story? no But they are poor and can‘t afford another book? incorrect

Earnest

Does she turn the pages slowly? somewhat Quickly? no Page after page (every single page)? yes Relevant? Nobody is reading the book = nobody is looking at the book? no, someone is looking at the book Little WAG --> I was thinking at those pictured books which you turn the pages quickly and it seems that pictures of the book move. incorrect In that case it could be that the story was related to their familiar situation? no

Was the book an old one? A new one? irrelevant (although likelier to be old)
Work related = the problema was money? Time spend with the children? this The fact that it was a risky job? no to rest Was the child born? yes

Peter

Do we need to establish the nature of the story? it's not terribly important Is it a classic fairytale? this could work

Is it a pop-up book? no/irrel Is there anything unusual about it? no

Does the father spend a lot of time away from the home? yes Does he work abroad or on an oil rig or something? no
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby Enjay » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:22 pm

Is the child looking at the book? Is the mother looking at it without reading it?

Is it relevant where the book came from?

Is the mother sad because the father doesn't/can't spend much time with the child? And something about the situation she is in with the book leads her to become particularly sad about it at that moment?

Is the father sad about spending so much time away from home?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby WiZ » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:34 pm

Is the child looking at the book? yes Is the mother looking at it without reading it? yes

Is it relevant where the book came from? no

Is the mother sad because the father doesn't/can't spend much time with the child? yes And something about the situation she is in with the book leads her to become particularly sad about it at that moment? yes, very good

Is the father sad about spending so much time away from home? yes
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby Enjay » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:37 pm

Is she sad that the father isn't specifically there with them? Is the father usually the one who reads to the child?

Is the child sad that their father isn't there? Does the mother think the child would be reading if the father was there?

Can the mother, father and child (in as much as the child can read at all) all read/speak the same language? The language the book is in?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby WiZ » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:54 pm

Is she sad that the father isn't specifically there with them? yes Is the father usually the one who reads to the child? yes

Is the child sad that their father isn't there? yes Does the mother think the child would be reading if the father was there? not by his/herself, no

Can the mother, father and child (in as much as the child can read at all) all read/speak the same language? yes The language the book is in? yes
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby LemonCurry » Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:46 am

Is this my cow?

Does the child insist that nobody but Dad read them the book?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby WiZ » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:05 pm

Is this my cow? noo

Does the child insist that nobody but Dad read them the book? yes
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:21 am

Is the content of the book related at all to the father's situation? Is he in the military?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby WiZ » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:20 pm

Is the content of the book related at all to the father's situation? Is he in the military? no/irrel to both
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby trebor » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:16 pm

Does the child say anything relevant other than insisting that Dad read the story? Something that hurts the mother? (“Dad reads it this way,” or something like that?) Is the mother relating the story to the child out loud, if not strictly reading it? Is she silently sitting and turning the pages? So the child can fill in the father’s voice as the narrator? Do either of them know the story by heart?

Are any disabilities relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby WiZ » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:33 pm

Does the child say anything relevant other than insisting that Dad read the story? no Something that hurts the mother? (“Dad reads it this way,” or something like that?) no Is the mother relating the story to the child out loud, if not strictly reading it? no Is she silently sitting and turning the pages? yes So the child can fill in the father’s voice as the narrator? no Do either of them know the story by heart? neither of them, relevantly

Are any disabilities relevant? no
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby dukhsan » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:42 am

Is the woman sad because the current scenario reminds her of something from her past, like her own father not being able to read to her? Before this scenario, has the father done anything relevant to hurt his relationship with his wife and child? Is there something either parent does for the child - besides read to the child - that cannot be done now, if relevant? Has anything recently changed about the child or either parent with regards to physical health, mental health, physical location, or relationship with a person outside the family? Does the child's current education in school, if any, have anything to do with the scenario?

Hope these are interesting enough - haven't posted in a while, possibly not since remaking my account.
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:15 am

Do they have a record of Daddy reading the book running along as Mom turns the pages? And Mom is so sad that they are restricted to things like that as Dad is working all the time?
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :(

Postby WiZ » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:10 pm

Dukhsan

Welcome back! What was your previous username?

Is the woman sad because the current scenario reminds her of something from her past, like her own father not being able to read to her? no Before this scenario, has the father done anything relevant to hurt his relationship with his wife and child? no Is there something either parent does for the child - besides read to the child - that cannot be done now, if relevant? no Has anything recently changed about the child or either parent with regards to physical health, mental health, physical location, or relationship with a person outside the family? no Does the child's current education in school, if any, have anything to do with the scenario? no

I know that's a sea of 'no', but those were good questions.

LemonCurry

Do they have a record of Daddy reading the book running along as Mom turns the pages? Not a *recording*, but... And Mom is so sad that they are restricted to things like that as Dad is working all the time? This is it, in principle.

We have uncovered the underlying logic, and the remaining detail should now be obvious. I'll save you the post:


***** SPOILER *****

She is turning the pages of the book while her husband (who has read the story so many times he has committed it to heart) is reading it aloud, over a mobile phone at his office or in the car, to their child as a bedtime story. The child insists that their father read the story to them, but the long hours of his demanding job mean that he is rarely there to read to the child in person. This makes his wife sad.

As the child is learning to read, their following the pages of the book is useful.


Congratulations to LemonCurry on the solution, and thank you everyone else for playing. The aftermath (as this is a ROIMBT) was that the father quit his job and chose another that offered a better work-life balance, so the ending is a happy one.
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Re: [WiZ] A sad puzzle :( [THE END]

Postby dukhsan » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:35 am

Great puzzle! Also I think I had a variant on this username (ducksan) if searching the archives for some older (2011) participation is any indication.
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