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[Balin] Two solutions

Postby Balin » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:09 pm

"You never know. Maybe they are modernizing the story," my sister suggested to me. Why?

My sister = H/A/F
Me = H/A/M
(obviously)
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Postby Earnest » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:08 pm

They = writers? Productors? Film makers? Movie makers?

Modernizing = reinterpreting the story in a modern key? Add something to the story? Write the story online? Trying to catch some suggestions online for the story? (E.g. like in pottermore) modernizing the story implies modify the story or modify the way the story is told/read/comunicated?
Did they modify the story in a certain manner and you were wondering the reason why they have modified it in such a way?

Story = a fantasy story? A well known story? A story which could be read in a book? Seen on a television? A story with a beginning and an end? A story which is not yet ended? A story not yet begun? A story which was transposed into a tv series and you were wondering why the series which should have begun at a certain time, was late?Is it a legend? A non-written story?

Would they like to end up with a similar story?
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Postby biograd » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:13 pm

Does the title mean that there are two different solutions to this puzzle, and you want us to find both of them? If so, will you answer in different colors for the two solutions like how it's been done in the past?
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Postby Balin » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:15 pm

They = writers? Productors? Film makers? Movie makers? Yes to all

Modernizing = reinterpreting the story in a modern key? Yes Add something to the story? Yes Write the story online? No Trying to catch some suggestions online for the story? No (E.g. like in pottermore)
No modernizing the story implies modify the story or modify the way the story is told/read/comunicated? The former
Did they modify the story in a certain manner No and you were wondering the reason why they have modified it in such a way? No

Story = a fantasy story? No A well known story? Yes, I'd say so A story which could be read in a book? Yes Seen on a television? It has previously been adapted for television, Yes A story with a beginning and an end? Yes A story which is not yet ended? No A story not yet begun? No A story which was transposed into a tv series and you were wondering why the series which should have begun at a certain time, was late? No Is it a legend? No A non-written story? No

Would they like to end up with a similar story? Depending on what you mean by "similar"

Does the title mean that there are two different solutions to this puzzle, and you want us to find both of them? Not in this case. The title has a lateral relation to the puzzle If so, will you answer in different colors for the two solutions like how it's been done in the past? If there were two solutions I would, but there aren't
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Postby Hobbsicle » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:47 am

Sent you an educated guess via PM.
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Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:13 am

element of possible modernization is related to the story being told? A cartoon? A war story? A story which had been remade? If so was the original movie of list of years between 1930 to 2000?

At the moment when your sister made the suggestion was the movie been already in cinemas/DVDs? Or have you read something about a possible modification which would have been made in the movie which had not been already distributed in cinemas? If the latter, is it a modification in the plot of the story? In the setting? In a particular scene? In the entire movie? In a character? In the clothing of characters? Dialogues?
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Postby Balin » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:30 pm

Sent you an educated guess via PM. No, but you're very close when it comes to the movie

element of possible modernization is related to the story being told? No A cartoon? No A war story? No A story which had been remade? Yope - the original story has been previously adapted to film (and stage, and television, and radio...) If so was the original movie of list of years between 1930 to 2000? The first movie adaptation was in the 1970s

At the moment when your sister made the suggestion was the movie been already in cinemas/DVDs? No Or have you read something about a possible modification which would have been made in the movie which had not been already distributed in cinemas?No
If the latter, is it a modification in the plot of the story? In the setting? In a particular scene? In the entire movie? In a character? In the clothing of characters? Dialogues? None of these, but clothing is relevant
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Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:23 pm

was the story set in the future (so the future for 1970s) which is obsolete for the new adaptation of the story?
Is the new adaptation a continuation (the prequel or the sequel) of the movie of the '70s or a remake of the same movie?

clothing = costumes? masks? normal clothing for the '70s? Movie = Star wars (modern version = Disney one?)? The Godfather?
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Postby Balin » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:39 pm

was the story set in the future (so the future for 1970s) which is obsolete for the new adaptation of the story? No
Is the new adaptation a continuation (the prequel or the sequel) of the movie of the '70s No or a remake of the same movie? It's a new adaptation of the original story (which was a book)

clothing = costumes? masks? normal clothing for the '70s? None of these
Movie = Star wars (modern version = Disney one?)? The Godfather? None of these
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Postby trebor » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:07 am

Is the origin of this story to be in found in the texts or teachings of one of the religions of the world? Is the original story a work of fiction? Is it from the 20th century? 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th? Is it Shakespearean? Is it a fable? A fairy tale? Was it originally a novel? A story published episodically? A poem?
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Postby Balin » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:21 pm

Is the origin of this story to be in found in the texts or teachings of one of the religions of the world? No
Is the original story a work of fiction? Yes Is it from the 20th century? Yes 19th? 18th? 17th? 16th?
Is it Shakespearean? No Is it a fable? No A fairy tale? No
Was it originally a novel? Yes A story published episodically? A poem?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:53 pm

Is a technology for visualizing the movie introduced (e.g. 3D, full Hd?...) special effects relevant? Something appearing inside the movie?

Well I confess to be ignorant in nocel's subject...so Balin I let you decide whether the list of 1970s novels is valid for the puzzle or not...
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Postby Balin » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:16 pm

Is a technology for visualizing the movie introduced (e.g. 3D, full Hd?...) No special effects relevant? No Something appearing inside the movie? No

Well I confess to be ignorant in nocel's subject...so Balin I let you decide whether the list of 1970s novels is valid for the puzzle or not... It isn't, because the novel isn't from the 1970s! It's from the 1930s; the first film adaptation was from the 1970s.
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Postby Earnest » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:48 am

Is it the hobbit? (Cartoon in 1970 and remake in 2016?) Mary Poppins? Something involving Oz world? Tarzan?

Have you seen an advertisment of the movie? A billboard? Did suggestion of your sister start from a previous statement of yours? If so about clothing of characters? About dialogues you've heard? Did you/others consider the clothing "modern" in the sense that they were more modern than the plot of the story would have suggested? Clothing = clothes of actprs? Clothes of actors in general? Some details like swatch? Clocks? The style/code of dressing? Clothes for certain occasions?

Could the element of modernization be considered a "mistake"?
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Postby Balin » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:01 pm

Is it the hobbit? (Cartoon in 1970 and remake in 2016?) Mary Poppins? Something involving Oz world? Tarzan? None of these, but good guesses

Have you seen an advertisement of the movie? No A billboard? No Did suggestion of your sister start from a previous statement of yours? Yes If so about clothing Yes of characters? No About dialogues you've heard? No Did you/others consider the clothing "modern" in the sense that they were more modern than the plot of the story would have suggested? Yes
Clothing = clothes of actors? No Clothes of actors in general? No Some details like swatch? Clocks? The style/code of dressing? Clothes for certain occasions? None of these

Could the element of modernization be considered a "mistake"? Yes, but not in the way you mean
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Postby Earnest » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:10 pm

Have you seen it on theatre?
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Postby biograd » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:20 pm

When you say it is "a mistake, but not in the way you mean", I don't understand what you are referring to.

Do you mean that there was not a mistake made in the filming of the movie, but in something else? or do you mean that the creators of the movie intentionally modernized it, as opposed to inadvertently introducing some sort of anachronism, but that this intent doesn't make logical sense?
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Postby Balin » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:53 pm

Have you seen it on theatre? No

When you say it is "a mistake, but not in the way you mean", I don't understand what you are referring to.

Do you mean that there was not a mistake made in the filming of the movie Correct but in something else? Yes, exactly or do you mean that the creators of the movie intentionally modernized it, as opposed to inadvertently introducing some sort of anachronism, but that this intent doesn't make logical sense? No

I realize there has been an FA going along that I haven't corrected or noted, so I'm going to clarify it: The movie has not been made yet.
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Postby trebor » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:29 am

Is the novel American? Canadian? British? European? Asian? African? Indian? South American? Australian?

Is the author most known for this work? Are they female? Male? Non-binary? Is it a children’s book?

Just to be clear: the ‘70s movie was made, right? And released? And a potential remake/re-adaptation of the story is the one that hasn’t been made yet? If that’s correct, are plans to make this new movie in the works?
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Postby Balin » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:03 am

Is the novel American? Canadian? British? This European? Asian? African? Indian? South American? Australian?

Is the author most known for this work? No but it's a fairly well-known one Are they female? This Male? Non-binary? Is it a children’s book? No

Just to be clear: the ‘70s movie was made, right? Yes And released? Yes And a potential remake/re-adaptation of the story is the one that hasn’t been made yet? Yes If that’s correct, are plans to make this new movie in the works? Yes
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Postby Earnest » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:51 am

Is the story set in 1700? 1800? 1900? Well...I was tempted to propose "The importance of being Earnest" but I know a remake has been done recently xD.

Is the mistake made in the choice of actors? In the way in which the movie is advertised? Was the title of the movie the same title of the book? Did you prefer the 1970's realisation?

Clothing that appeared in a scene of the movie but were not wore by anyone? E.g. they appeared in a shop?.. Don't know...were sone scenes of the movie filmed in the nearby of your town? Have you seen something on youtube about the filming of the movie?
Clothing of someone who would have appear on camera once the movie will be realised?
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Postby Balin » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:43 pm

Is the story set in 1700? 1800? 1900? It's set in the 1930s Well...I was tempted to propose "The importance of being Earnest" but I know a remake has been done recently xD. That's not it. Don't forget the author is female

Is the mistake made in the choice of actors? No In the way in which the movie is advertised? No Was the title of the movie the same title of the book? Yes Did you prefer the 1970's realisation? I haven't seen it

Clothing that appeared in a scene of the movie No! but were not wore by anyone? E.g. they appeared in a shop?.. No Don't know...were sone scenes of the movie filmed in the nearby of your town? I don't think it's started filming yet Have you seen something on youtube about the filming of the movie? No
Clothing of someone who would have appear on camera once the movie will be realised? No
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Postby Earnest » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:18 pm

Clothing = images ok a book? Were the clothes real clothes? Drawn clothes?
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Postby Balin » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:00 am

Clothing = images No ok a book? No Were the clothes real clothes? No Drawn clothes? No
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Postby trebor » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:20 am

Is the author Agatha Christie?
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Postby Earnest » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:50 am

Mmm...ok...so...first of all real clothing? Clothing which you were able to see without any filter (screen for instance)? clothing of the fans? Clothing of puppets/gadgets? Clothing in a video game (sometimes video games are realised before movies as pioneer somehow)?

Was the theme of the movie/ the story somehow already so famous that the style dictated in it was repriduced in some event? In a small village? In Oriente Express (I was thinking also about Agatha Christie but I wasn't sure that she wrote in 1930)? In a comicon? Are cosplays relevant?
I was thinking also of something like a style which somehow is so radicated that is nowaday taken for granted as a style but it was in reality introduced by that novel...don't have an example yet...
When your suster replied you, were you and your sister sure that the clothing referred to the movie? Or you just supposed it? Did you know that the movie was not yet been filmed?

Movie not yet being filmed = nobody could possibly have seen a scene of it nor an advertisment of any sort with the related clothing style?
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Postby Balin » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:36 pm

Is the author Agatha Christie? Yes, and if you've seen some of my previous puzzles, you won't be surprised

Mmm...ok...so...first of all real clothing? Yes Clothing which you were able to see without any filter (screen for instance)? clothing of the fans? No Clothing of puppets/gadgets? No Clothing in a video game (sometimes video games are realised before movies as pioneer somehow)? No

Was the theme of the movie/ the story somehow already so famous that the style dictated in it was repriduced in some event? No In a small village? No In Oriente Express No (I was thinking also about Agatha Christie but I wasn't sure that she wrote in 1930)? Right author, wrong book (but very good guess; this was also Hobbsicle's guess) In a comicon? No Are cosplays relevant? No
I was thinking also of something like a style which somehow is so radicated that is nowaday taken for granted as a style but it was in reality introduced by that novel...don't have an example yet... This is OTWT
When your suster replied you, were you and your sister sure that the clothing referred to the movie? Yes/Yope Or you just supposed it? No Did you know that the movie was not yet been filmed? Yes

Movie not yet being filmed = nobody could possibly have seen a scene of it nor an advertisment of any sort with the related clothing style? Correct
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Postby Earnest » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:24 pm

Ok so...recapping...when you talked about the modernization if the story, you are not referring to the modernization of the story in the movie but in something which was realised basing on Agatha Christie's story right? Luke you have seen a documentary?

If so was it the personell of a ship? Of a bus? Of an hotel? Of a castle? A library? Ok I want to avoid the list of books of Agatha Christie...so I will ask: is the place written on the title of any of her books?
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Postby Balin » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:53 pm

Ok so...recapping...when you talked about the modernization if the story, you are not referring to the modernization of the story in the movie FA - the movie is not modernizing the story but in something which was realised basing on Agatha Christie's story right? Going to call this a Yope/No Like you have seen a documentary? No

If so was it the personell of a ship? Most of the action of the book takes place on a ship Of a bus? Of an hotel? Of a castle? A library? Ok I want to avoid the list of books of Agatha Christie...so I will ask: is the place written on the title of any of her books? The title of the book includes the relevant place (feel free to use Google/Wikipedia/etc)
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Postby Earnest » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:41 pm

Death on the nile?
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Postby Balin » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:45 am

Death on the nile? Yes.

RECAP:
My sister suggested to me, "You never know. Maybe they are modernizing the story." This statement was regarding the upcoming film adaptation of Death on the Nile. The suggestion involved modern clothing, but nothing that would or would not be seen in the move.

HINTS:
The filmmakers are not modernizing Death on the Nile, and no further knowledge about the movie is necessarily for the solution.
Also, the title is no longer necessary. It was a hint towards Murder on the Orient Express (the final chapter of the novel is "Poirot Propounds Two Solutions"), the new adaptation of which, for Death on the Nile, gave us The Worst Sequel Hook In The History Of The Universe.
What prompted my sister's suggestion?
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Postby Earnest » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:55 am

Have you seen the news? Is an omicide relevant? An omicide on the Nile? Have you seen the relevant clothing on TV? Is the "Nile" relevant sonehow? Mummies recently found?

Is your sister making a comparison with "Death on the Nile"? Like a sort of joke? When she referred to "the story" was it immediately clear to you that she was referring to "Death on the Nile"?
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Postby Balin » Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:42 pm

Have you seen the news? Only the news about them making the movie Is an omicide relevant? No An omicide on the Nile? No Have you seen the relevant clothing on TV? Yes but Irrel Is the "Nile" relevant sonehow? Yes, beware FA Mummies recently found? No

Is your sister making a comparison with "Death on the Nile"? Noish Like a sort of joke? Yope When she referred to "the story" was it immediately clear to you that she was referring to "Death on the Nile"? Yes
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Postby Earnest » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:30 pm

Relevant which specific clothing ? Did you see the nile? Is the way in which the news of them making the movie relevant? Clothibg like life vest?

Nile = the real river displayed?
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Postby Balin » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:06 pm

Relevant which specific clothing? Yes Did you see the nile? No Is the way in which the news of them making the movie relevant? How I learned the news is relevant, Yes Clothing like life vest? No

Nile = the real river displayed? That is what the word means, but the actual river is not relevant
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Postby Earnest » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:52 am

Ok then...you saw the news of them remaking the movie. The way in which you knew that is relevant...so on TV news? On a newspaper? On youtube? On the internet?

Specific clothing relevant: a piece of clothing for men? Women? shoes? Pants? Shirts? T-shirts? Is it a piece of clothing which is present nowadays but wasn'used/wasn'present in 1930? Jeans? Plastic? Other materials? Linen? Nylon (to make a pun with "Nile")?
A necklace? A swatch? An underwear? Socks? Glasses? Sunglasses?
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Postby Balin » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:02 pm

Ok then...you saw the news of them remaking the movie. The way in which you knew that is relevant...so on TV news? On a newspaper? On youtube? On the internet? None of these

Specific clothing relevant: a piece of clothing for men? Women? Could be for either shoes? This Pants? Shirts? T-shirts?
Is it a piece of clothing which is present nowadays but wasn'used/wasn'present in 1930? Yes
Jeans? Plastic? Other materials? You know it's a type of shoes, so... Linen? Nylon (to make a pun with "Nile")? No but you have the right idea to think about words
A necklace? A swatch? An underwear? Socks? Glasses? Sunglasses? No to these
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Postby Earnest » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:57 pm

Ok...so...don't have any idea of how the materials are called in english but I'll try with the help of the net...
My idea is that the material is synthetic and the shoes were gym shoes/training shoes. Nile safety shoes relevamt?
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Postby Balin » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:15 pm

My idea is that the material is synthetic and the shoes were gym shoes/training shoes. Yes... Nile safety shoes relevamt? Not "Nile," but... (!!!!)
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Postby Earnest » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:17 pm

Don't have it...like Nike? A brand? Or a type like man/woman safety shoes?
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Postby Balin » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:58 am

Don't have it...like Nike? Yes, exactly A brand? Or a type like man/woman safety shoes?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:55 am

So is there a pun like death on the nike? Safety (shoes) on the Nile?

Did you know the news directly by your sister? Did she inform you of the presence of nike safety shoes? By someone else? While doing a certain activity? Like you were wearing nike safety shoes and soneone told you to have seen them while having heard about the remake of "Death on the Nile"?
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Postby Balin » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:00 pm

So is there a pun like death on the nike? This, exactly. The only thing left is how this pun was created.
Safety (shoes) on the Nile? Did you know the news directly by your sister? Did she inform you of the presence of nike safety shoes? By someone else? While doing a certain activity? Like you were wearing nike safety shoes and soneone told you to have seen them while having heard about the remake of "Death on the Nile"? No to all of these
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Postby trebor » Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:25 pm

Does one of the characters relevantly wear Nikes? Die while wearing them?
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Postby Balin » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:27 am

Does one of the characters relevantly wear Nikes? Die while wearing them? Neither.

CHRISTMAS HINT:
How were my sister and I communicating?
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Postby trebor » Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:57 am

Were you texting? Is autocorrect involved?
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Postby Balin » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:07 pm

Were you texting? Is autocorrect involved? Yes to both.

****SPOILER****

My sister texted me a link to an article about Fox developing Death on the Nile as a sequel to the new Murder on the Orient Express film. This was the following text exchange:

(me) I know they sequel-hooked Death on the Nike at the end of Orient Express, it was mentioned in one of the reviews I watched.
(me) NILE. Not Nike. Don't think Poirot had to deal with a murdered sneaker magnate.
(sister) You never know. Maybe they are modernizing the story.

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Re: [Balin] Two solutions (*ONE SOLUTION*)

Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:41 pm

Well I'm getting used to do the legwork ahahahhaha...thank you for the nice puzzle!! And merry Christmas (assuming you are at least cristian)
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Re: [Balin] Two solutions (*ONE SOLUTION*)

Postby Balin » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:48 pm

Thank you (I am a Christian), and Merry Christmas to you also!
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