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[WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:29 pm

Why were a group of large, burly men, who did not have bad breath, all given a strong-smelling mouthwash to gargle with?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:58 am

Time and place relevant? Any historical event?

Could people buy this mouthwash in a shop? Would one use this voluntarily? As mouthwash? As something else?

Were the men soldiers? prisoners? patients?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby Earnest » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:52 am

Advertisment relevant? Relevant they were burly and large? Did someone want to "standardize" their breath? Were them athlethes (e.g. rugby athlethes)? Did they eat a lot? Food relevant? Did everybody kmow that they did not have a bad breath? Relevant? Will they have a bad breath after performing a relevant action?(e.g. eating something?) Was it given to them so that their sense if taste is ruined by the strong smelling taste of the mouthwash and they are discouraged to do something (eat/drink)?

So the mouthwash was given to them so that they can gargle and then spit it right? Relevant where they will spit it?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:09 am

Disinfection relevant? Cleaning? I the strength of the smell the important attribute of the mouthwash? Is the nature of the smell relevant? Does it relevantly smell of menthol? Eucalyptus? Alcohol? Relevant that they were large and burly? Relevant why they were large and burly?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:45 pm

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Time and place relevant? yes Any historical event? Yesish, big DOYD of 'historical event'

Could people buy this mouthwash in a shop? probably Would one use this voluntarily? possibly As mouthwash? yes As something else? no

Were the men soldiers? yope prisoners? patients? no to both

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Advertisment relevant? no Relevant they were burly and large? yes Did someone want to "standardize" their breath? no Were them athlethes (e.g. rugby athlethes)? no Did they eat a lot? Probably, but irrelevant Food relevant? no Did everybody kmow that they did not have a bad breath? yes, they were not suspected to have bad breath Relevant? no Will they have a bad breath after performing a relevant action?(e.g. eating something?) no Was it given to them so that their sense if taste is ruined by the strong smelling taste of the mouthwash and they are discouraged to do something (eat/drink)? no

So the mouthwash was given to them so that they can gargle and then spit it right? yes Relevant where they will spit it? no

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Disinfection relevant? no Cleaning? no I the strength of the smell the important attribute of the mouthwash? no, although it was a noticeable side-effect Is the nature of the smell relevant? yes Does it relevantly smell of menthol? Eucalyptus? Alcohol? no to these Relevant that they were large and burly? yes Relevant why they were large and burly? no
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby Earnest » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:16 pm

Did someone want them to gargle? Is the acto of gargling relevant? The sound coming from gargling? Is their voice relevant? Like they were dubbers?

Is an action performed while gargling that the others want them to perform? Is the taste of the mouthwash relevant? Is it bitter? Are them in front of common people? Of a public? Of doctors? Of someone working?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:20 pm

Did someone want them to gargle? yes Is the acto of gargling relevant? no The sound coming from gargling? no Is their voice relevant? no Like they were dubbers? no

Is an action performed while gargling that the others want them to perform? no Is the taste of the mouthwash relevant? yes Is it bitter? no Are them in front of common people? yes Of a public? yes (although not yet) Of doctors? no Of someone working? yes
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby Earnest » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:41 pm

Is the taste good? Depend? Bad taste? Did they want the fat man to be presented to the public with a certain attitude? Expression?

Did they want that an clact that they are going to fake to be more credible? Did they go in front of a public for entertaining them? Are they fat models and need to walk the catwalk?

Relevant that they were fat because: they represent a sterotype? Their laugh is more contagious? They are sumo athlethes?
were they actors? Performers? Magicians? Work in circus?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby trebor » Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:53 pm

Were they a fighting force? Does this occur in the 21st century? 20th? Does this occur BCE?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:07 pm

Earnest

Is the taste good? Depend? this Bad taste? Did they want the fat man to be presented to the public with a certain attitude? Expression? no to both, but explore

Did they want that an clact that they are going to fake to be more credible? I think this is the general idea, but I'm a bit lost as to 'clact' Did they go in front of a public for entertaining them? yes Are they fat models and need to walk the catwalk? no

Relevant that they were fat because: they represent a sterotype? Their laugh is more contagious? They are sumo athlethes? no to all
were they actors? yes Performers? yes (by extension) Magicians? Work in circus? no to these

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Were they a fighting force? yope Does this occur in the 21st century? yes 20th? Does this occur BCE? no to rest
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby Balin » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:38 am

Is the brand of mouthwash relevant?
Did the mouthwash taste like mint?
Is kissing relevant?

Storytyme: I know someone who played Melchior in a university production of "Spring Awakening"; he and the actress who played Wendla would intentionally eat various disgusting items right before the end of the first act so they could try and gross out the other. I seem to remember being told of a combination of horseradish and fish...
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:51 am

Is the brand of mouthwash relevant? no
Did the mouthwash taste like mint? no
Is kissing relevant? no (this may prove amusing once you hear the solution)

Storytyme: I know someone who played Melchior in a university production of "Spring Awakening"; he and the actress who played Wendla would intentionally eat various disgusting items right before the end of the first act so they could try and gross out the other. I seem to remember being told of a combination of horseradish and fish... That certainly sounds like an awakening of sorts!
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby LemonCurry » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:34 am

Were they stage actors? film actors?
Was the smell meant to prompt a reaction of other actors? Of the audience?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby Earnest » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:38 am

Were their faces covered? Were there 3 of then? 4?more than 10?
Did the mouthwash color their mouths relevantly? Is the color of the mputhwash green? Purple? Red? Blue? Orange? Black? White? No color?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:45 pm

LemonCurry

Were they stage actors? film actors? this
Was the smell meant to prompt a reaction of other actors? Of the audience? no to both

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Were their faces covered? yes, in part Were there 3 of then? 4?more than 10? this
Did the mouthwash color their mouths relevantly? Yes! s the color of the mputhwash green? Purple? Red? Blue? Orange? Black? this; no to rest White? No color?

Great questions.
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:48 pm

Is spitting relevant? If so: spitting mouthwash? Spitting spit? Do they play men of a certain profession? Do they play criminals? Does the mouthwash smell pleasant? Is the smell integral to their act? Does the smell relevantly cover up another smell? Contrast with another smell?
WAG: they're trying to very realistically play people with bad breath, and smellify their breath so that other actors can respond realistically with disgust whenever they actually smell the odor.
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:57 pm

Is spitting relevant? no If so: spitting mouthwash? Spitting spit? n/a Do they play men no of a certain profession? yes Do they play criminals? no (under the circumstances) Does the mouthwash smell pleasant? YMMV Is the smell integral to their act? no Does the smell relevantly cover up another smell? no Contrast with another smell? no
WAG: they're trying to very realistically play people with bad breath, and smellify their breath so that other actors can respond realistically with disgust whenever they actually smell the odor. no
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:08 pm

Do they play women? Animals? Inanimate objects? Are they motion capture actors? Voice actors? Profession related to: sports? Government? Science? Technolot? Engineering? Service? Healthcare? Military? Travel? Transport? Law? Law enforcement? Politics? Entertainment?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:18 pm

Do they play women? Animals? Inanimate objects? no to all Are they motion capture actors? Voice actors? no to both Profession related to: sports? Government? Science? Technolot? Engineering? Service? Healthcare? Military? this; no to rest Travel? Transport? Law? Law enforcement? Politics? Entertainment?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby trebor » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:07 am

Do they play robots? Transformers? Something similar? Aliens? Are they meant to be seen gargling in the film? Is the mouthwash seen in the film? Is it supposed to look like drool/ooze? Is the desired effect that teeth and/or gums wouldn’t be seen?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby WiZ » Fri Jan 05, 2018 2:14 am

Do they play robots? Transformers? Something similar? no to these Aliens? no, but ORT Are they meant to be seen gargling in the film? no Is the mouthwash seen in the film? no Is it supposed to look like drool/ooze? n/a Is the desired effect that teeth and/or gums wouldn’t be seen? no
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby LemonCurry » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:37 am

Were they playing zombies? Were they supposed to look like having bad teeth with the black mouthwash?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby trebor » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:49 am

Does the taste of the mouthwash cause them to do something relevant with their faces? Is the mouthwash particularly bitter? Does it make them pucker? Does it open their nasal passages? Make them cry?
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Postby Earnest » Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:43 am

Licorice relevant? Did they need to show their tongue? Were them part of a choir? Did they show their teeth/ tongue relevantly (e.g. speak/sing/scream)?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:37 pm

LemonCurry

Were they playing zombies? no (closest so far) Were they supposed to look like having bad teeth with the black mouthwash? no, but your thinking is ORT

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Does the taste of the mouthwash cause them to do something relevant with their faces? no Is the mouthwash particularly bitter? no Does it make them pucker? no Does it open their nasal passages? no Make them cry? no

Earnest

Licorice relevant? Yes! Did they need to show their tongue? not the tongue, but very ORT Were them part of a choir? no Did they show their teeth/ tongue relevantly (e.g. speak/sing/scream)? Showing a part of their mouth is relevant, but it isn't the teeth or the tongue
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby Earnest » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:33 pm

Lips? Palate? Did they need to play the role of people with a disease? Death people? People carbonized?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:40 pm

Lips? Palate? this (the inside of their mouth, basically) Did they need to play the role of people with a disease? Death people? People carbonized? no to all
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby trebor » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:42 am

Is licorice in the mouthwash? (I’m revealing a lack of knowledge here, but not wanting to google it just in case that $poyles something.)
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:43 am

Is licorice in the mouthwash? (I’m revealing a lack of knowledge here, but not wanting to google it just in case that $poyles something.) It is.
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Postby LemonCurry » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:40 am

Were they playing a fantasy race? Undeads? Would a normal-coloured mouth make them look too human?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:19 pm

Were they playing a fantasy race? yes Undeads? no Would a normal-coloured mouth make them look too human? Yes (to answer at face value), but there was a specific reason black was chosen, which relates to an aspect of their fantasy race.
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby Earnest » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:15 pm

A disease? A color which is considered natural for them? Race = ogres? Has the members of that race human characteristics?(e.g. elfs which have legs/mouth/human characteristics in general?)? Was the race more similar to a plant? A human? An animal? A wolf?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby WiZ » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:17 pm

A disease? no A color which is considered natural for them? Yes. Why? Race = ogres? No, but close Has the members of that race human characteristics?(e.g. elfs which have legs/mouth/human characteristics in general?)? Yes, they are hominids Was the race more similar to a plant? A human? <-this An animal? A wolf?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:59 am

Yopish soldiers of a big and black fantasy race...the Uruk-hai army? (That would be a truckload of the mouthwash...)
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:50 pm

Yopish soldiers of a big and black fantasy race...the Uruk-hai army? (That would be a truckload of the mouthwash...) Correct, they are the Uruk-hai. Why was it considered important to make the insides of their mouths black (it is not widely stipulated in the literature that this is the case)?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:07 am

I don't know, but as a wild guess, they spoke the black speech, didn't they? Maybe the words corrupted their mouths and made them black.
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:24 am

I don't know, but as a wild guess, they spoke the black speech, didn't they? Maybe the words corrupted their mouths and made them black. Laudable attention to detail, but the true connection is a little more obvious at face value.
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby LemonCurry » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:07 am

Relevant what they eat? drink? How they were born? Does "Uruk-hai" mean "black mouth" in some Middle-Earth language?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby Earnest » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:41 am

Were all parts of their body visible? Only the head? Did they need to open their mouths? To scream? Is the color of their saliva relevant? Of their blood? Were their faces completely covered by an helmet and only their mouth was visible? Did they represent particular uruk-hais? Did they want a certain effect to be reached? E.g. when they open their mouth all was black so that it seemed that nothing was inside the helmet?

Was the black color representative of a certain part of their body which was not the inside of the mouth? Did they want to represent something else which was not reachable in a theatre because no computer graphic was present? Were them standing in front of the public?

Was it because it was not possible to color their teeth and to avoid that every time the scene changes they go out from the stage and then come back, they were told to open their mouth whenever the scene was made dark?
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles

Postby WiZ » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:58 pm

LemonCurry

Relevant what they eat? drink? How they were born? no to all Does "Uruk-hai" mean "black mouth" in some Middle-Earth language? No (and any linguistic element is irrelevant)

Earnest

Were all parts of their body visible? They weren't naked, but visible body parts are relevant; explore Only the head? no Did they need to open their mouths? yes To scream? irrelevant Is the color of their saliva relevant? no Of their blood? yes

***** SPOILER *****

When filming the Lord of the Rings trilogy, Peter Jackson was noted for his attention to detail. Knowing that the Uruk-hai had black blood, he reasoned that, biologically, this should also be reflected in the colour of the insides of their mouths. He therefore made the actors playing the Uruk-hai gargle with a strong liquorice-based mouthwash.


Well done, Earnest, and thank you everyone else for playing.
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Re: [WiZ] Gargoyles [BARZUGA]

Postby Earnest » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:50 am

Thank you WiZ!
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