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[invisiblemimsy] He loved her so he killed them.

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:58 pm

66 humans, one dog, and still rising.
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Re: He loved her so he killed them.

Postby WiZ » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:54 pm

Casualty-wise, this calls to mind the Great Emu War of 1932.

Have the humans and dog all been killed? By the same phenomenon? By the same person/people? By the 'he' invoked in the title?

Is the titular 'he' human? The titular 'her'?

Is what is 'still rising' the count of humans and dogs? Is this a body count?

Is this an ongoing event/phenomenon?
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Re: He loved her so he killed them.

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:28 pm

Ooh, Wiz, those are some canny questions!

Casualty-wise, this calls to mind the Great Emu War of 1932.
Well, I think the GEW wins on weirdness!

Have the humans and dog all been killed? YES By the same phenomenon? Yesish By the same person/people? Yesish and By the 'he' invoked in the title? Yes

Is the titular 'he' human? The titular 'her'? Yes

Is what is 'still rising' the count of humans and dogs? Is this a body count? Yes

Is this an ongoing event/phenomenon? No
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Re: He loved her so he killed them.

Postby trebor » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:49 pm

Is this an event that is over, but from which bodies are still being recovered?

Was he, in killing them, trying to win her love? Was this an act of revenge? Is a wedding relevant? Is this a real event? Is his profession relevant? Is hers? Are theirs? Was the dog a pet? Guide dog?Police dog, or similar?

Is the method they were killed relevant? If yes, may I invoke the list?
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Re: He loved her so he killed them.

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:31 am

Is this an event that is over, YES but from which bodies are still being recovered? F/A

Was he, in killing them, trying to win her love? NO Was this an act of revenge? NO Is a wedding relevant? NO Is this a real event? YOPE
Is his profession relevant? Is hers? YES TO BOTH Are theirs? NO Was the dog a pet? THIS Guide dog?Police dog, or similar?

Is the method they were killed relevant? The fact the methods were varied = yesish
If yes, may I invoke the list? Too many methods to list!

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Re: He loved her so he killed them.

Postby Balin » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:21 am

Is the killer a heavenly body? Some weather phenomenon? Something to do with space?
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Re: He loved her so he killed them.

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:36 pm

Balin wrote:Is the killer a heavenly body? Some weather phenomenon? Something to do with space?

Lol, NO to all of these.
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Re: He loved her so he killed them.

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:46 am

Was he a ruler of some kind? A warrior? A medical professional? Would any of the deaths be legally classified as murder? As acts of war? Were they killed at the same time? Over a certain period? Minutes? Hours? Days? Years?
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:22 pm

Did he intend to kill them? Did he love her romantically? Platonically? Physically? Poisoning relevant? A law? Is he still alive? Is she?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:36 pm

Hobbsicle wrote:Was he a ruler of some kind? A warrior? A medical professional? NO TO ALL OF THESE Would any of the deaths be legally classified as murder? YOPE As acts of war? NO Were they killed at the same time? YOPE, FA LURKING Over a certain period? Minutes? Hours? Days? Years? FA LURKING
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Re: He loved her so he killed them.

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:41 pm

GalFisk wrote:Did he intend to kill them? YES Did he love her romantically? YES Platonically? NO Physically? YES Poisoning relevant? NO A law? YES Is he still alive? YES Is she? YOPE
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Postby Balin » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:59 pm

Is she some form of undead?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:17 pm

Balin wrote:Is she some form of undead?
NO
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:41 pm

Is she fictional? Is he? Does the law allow for killing? Are the victims killed directly by him? Did he make the law?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:00 pm

GalFisk wrote:Is she fictional? YES AND NO, EXPLORE Is he? NO Does the law allow for killing? IN THIS SITUATION, YES Are the victims killed directly by him? FA LURKING, EXPLORE Did he make the law?FA ?


I have to say, GalFisk, I found these particular Q’s really difficult to answer!
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:48 pm

Hm, is the story a fictional one about actual historic people? An alternate history? Falsified or incorrect history?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:53 pm

JenBurdoo wrote:Hm, is the story a fictional one YES about actual historic people? An alternate history? Falsified or incorrect history? NO TO THE REST
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] He loved her so he killed them.

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:29 pm

Is he a writer? Is he killing characters in his work? Is he writing fictional stories about a real person?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:11 pm

GalFisk wrote:Is he a writer? YES, EXPLORE Is he killing characters in his work? YES Is he writing fictional stories YESISH about a real person?NO
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:46 pm

Is he writing stories set in reality? Does she exist both in real life and in the stories? Did he love her so he wrote a lot of stories about her? Did all stories involve death?
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Postby Balin » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:56 pm

By any chance is he George R. R. Martin?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:23 pm

GalFisk wrote:Is he writing stories set in reality? NO, FICTION. ALSO SVV OF 'STORIES' Does she exist both in real life YES and in the stories? IN ONE OF THEM Did he love her so he wrote a lot of stories about her? OTRT Did all stories involve death? YES
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:24 pm

Balin wrote:By any chance is he George R. R. Martin?
NO
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:00 pm

Did he write the stories for her? In her honor? In her memory?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:14 pm

GalFisk wrote:Did he write the stories for her? ONE OF THEM, FOR A SVV OF 'STORIES', EXPORE In her honor? NO In her memory? NO
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Postby GalFisk » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:13 am

SVV: poems? Songs? Jokes? Puzzles?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:42 am

Songs.
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Postby GalFisk » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:56 am

Did they die in one song? Different songs? An especially long song? Song genre relevant? If so: opera? Ballad? Pop? Rock? Punk? Rap? Folk? Country?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:11 pm

GalFisk wrote:Did they die in one song? YES Different songs? YES An especially long song? NO Song genre relevant? YES If so: opera? Ballad? Pop? THIS-ISH Rock? Punk? Rap? Folk? THIS-ISH Country? BUT SOME ARE HARD TO DEFINE


I'll post an update in a minute, of what we know so far.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] He loved her so he killed them.

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:53 pm

*** UPDATE ***
What we know so far + some detail/clues from me.

There's a 'he' (HAM) a 'she' (HAF) and a 'they' (HAFs, HAMs, a dog, and some children), in all of this. The identities of 'they' don't matter. The fact that there were a lot of them and we don't know exactly how many DOES matter.

HE killed HER and THEM by a certain 'phenomenon' and method/s; the exact methods aren't relevant but the fact that they were varied is. The 'phenomenon' here, is fiction.

He did love her, and that is why he killed her within the terms of the fiction. She is YOPEishly still alive. She is both fictional and non-fictional. The killing is lawful, for the value of 'killing' in this puzzle.

This involves songs which are mostly ballads of different genres; the genres are only relevant contextually. She exists within one song and in real life. He is the songwriter. All of the songs involve killing. He wrote one of the songs for her.

All we still need to find out is why he wrote all the other songs.

Bonus points if you can give me the real-life identities of HIM and HER!
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Postby trebor » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:20 pm

Are “they” related to her? Are “they” related to him? Are they other romantic partners of his? Are they also people who exist in real life? Family members?

Is he well-known? Is she, either as a real person or a fictional(ish) one?

Does he kill all 67 people in the same song? In 67 different songs? Is it the same song, but with different names substituted in?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:06 pm

trebor wrote:Are “they” related to her? Are “they” related to him? IF BY 'RELATED TO' YOU MEAN 'FAMILY MEMBERS' THEN NO TO BOTH Are they other romantic partners of his? NO Are they also people who exist in real life? NO, EXCEPT FOR HER Family members? NO

Is he well-known? YES Is she, either as a real person VERY MUCH SO, WORLDWIDE or a fictional(ish) one? YES, BUT LESS SO THAN AS HER REAL SELF

Does he kill all 67 people in the same song? NO, IT VARIES. In 67 different songs? HEAVEN FORFEND, NO! 10 SONGS IS ENOUGH! Is it the same song, but with different names substituted in? NO
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] He loved her so he killed them.

Postby GalFisk » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:12 pm

Do all his songs involve death? Did he make all 10 songs because he loved her? Was she in the first song he made?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:48 pm

GalFisk wrote:Do all his songs involve death? ALL 10 OF THESE DO, YES. Did he make all 10 songs because he loved her? YESISH - JUST THE ONE FOR HER, BUT ULTIMATELY HE NEEDED TO MAKE THE OTHER 9 TOO Was she in the first song he made?YES
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] He loved her so he killed them.

Postby GalFisk » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:43 am

Did he make the others so that he could release an album? Are real people beside her and himself relevant?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] He loved her so he killed them.

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:02 pm

GalFisk wrote:Did he make the others so that he could release an album? YES Are real people beside her and himself relevant? YES


This is pretty much it, apart from the sweeping up!


*********************************$$POILER*************************************


About 22 years ago, Nick Cave (of Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds) had a ‘thing’ for Kylie Minogue, and he wrote a pop ballad for her, called ‘Where the Wild Roses Grow’. This is a song about a man who loves a woman, the difference being that he sees her as being so pure that he wants to preserve her just as she is - so he kills her. The band’s genre was alternative post-punk rock, so this was not their style at all; Kylie’s own music was as far removed from theirs as could possibly be. Understandably, they didn’t take Nick seriously at all, and were very reluctant to embark on such a project.

So, Nick went overboard with a whole album of dark songs which were basically about murdering people in as many different ways as possible, to give a context to the song intended for Kylie. (Another one of the songs, ‘The Curse of Millhaven’ describes an unhinged girl who kills so many people (and a dog) that we don’t even know the final death toll.) The band got on board and the album, ‘Murder Ballads’, was a roaring success. And yes, Nick and Kylie did ‘get it on’ for a while.

Here’s the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDpnjE1LUvE


Well done to Galfisk for the solve, also to Wiz, Balin, Trebor, Hobbsicle and JenBurdoo for taking part :-)
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] He loved her so he killed them. **SOLVE

Postby GalFisk » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:27 pm

Cool puzzle. I actually thought of asking if it was a murder ballad. Good song too.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:46 pm

Glad you liked it <3
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] He loved her so he killed them. **SOLVE

Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:54 pm

Good work. I expect you'll like my folksong puzzles ... once I start thinking more up.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:08 am

Looking forward to them.
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