[Balin] Catch the drift

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[Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Balin » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:47 pm

A student hears a complete stranger, someone who lives miles away and whom he has never even spoken to, tell a lie about him. How?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Earnest » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:59 pm

Did the stranger tell a lie about him and only him? Called him by name? Telling a list of characteristics which perfectly fit to him?
About a category of people?

Was the lie about his private life? About what he studies? About something that he and only he knew? Something that he has never told to nobody else?

Did he hear him via internet? Online? Tv? Was the stranger recorded? Did he have the possibility of replying? Did he expect him to tell a lie about him? Relevant that he is a student? What he studies?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby GalFisk » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:24 pm

Was the lie intentional? Did it cause a problem for the student? Help the student? Did the person tell the lie to the student? To someone the student knew? Someone who had some connection to the student? To another complete strenger? To more than one person? Was the lie told in person? By speaking?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:10 pm

Did the stranger recognise the student, or know him, for any value of 'know'? Same questions, vice versa?
The lie that the stranger tells: does the stranger believe it to be true? Is it a boastful lie? A lie to gain some advantage? Relevant to whom the stranger is telling the lie?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Balin » Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:50 pm

Did the stranger tell a lie about him and only him? Yes Called him by name? Yes Telling a list of characteristics which perfectly fit to him? No
About a category of people? No

Was the lie about his private life? Yope About what he studies? No About something that he and only he knew? No Something that he has never told to nobody else? No

Did he hear him via internet? Online? Tv? None of these
Was the stranger recorded? Yes Did he have the possibility of replying? No Did he expect him to tell a lie about him? No Relevant that he is a student? No What he studies? No

Was the lie intentional? No Did it cause a problem for the student? No Help the student? No
Did the person tell the lie to the student? Yes To someone the student knew? Yes Someone who had some connection to the student? Yes To another complete stranger? Yes To more than one person? And this is the reason for all the Yeses... Yes
Was the lie told in person? No By speaking? Yes

Did the stranger recognise the student, or know him, for any value of 'know'? No, but the stranger knows the student's name Same questions, vice versa? No, but the student knows who the stranger is
The lie that the stranger tells: does the stranger believe it to be true? Yes Is it a boastful lie? No A lie to gain some advantage? No Relevant to whom the stranger is telling the lie? It will help establish the scenario, see above
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:37 am

Is the lie broadcast? Streamed? Recorded? Told in front of an audience? Is is about something the student is/isn't? Has/n't done? Said? Owns/doesn't own? Is/n't able to? Relationships? If so: platonic? Romantic? Sexual? Adversarial? Relevant what the student studies? Where?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Earnest » Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:03 pm

Was the stranger making an example? Did he use a name which fit the example and was the same as the one of the student? Was the stranger a Professor?

Did he see the stranger in a video? Just heared his/her voice? Skype calls relevant? Did he see/hear the stranger through a phone? While at lesson?
Was the stranger famous? Was the lie part of a famous sentence? Relevant what is his name? Is it a common one?

Was the stranger's intention to refer to the student? If so, relevant how the student recognized that the stranger was referring to him and not to someone else?
Did he hear it at a train station? Was the audience a classic audience present when the stranger was talking or is it an audience different from day to day? For instance the audience of an airport and the recorded voice was of a stranger making an announcement?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Balin » Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:38 pm

Is the lie broadcast? This Streamed? Recorded? Told in front of an audience? "In front of"? No
Is is about something the student is/isn't? This Has/n't done? Said? Owns/doesn't own? Is/n't able to? Relationships? No If so: platonic? Romantic? Sexual? Adversarial?
Relevant what the student studies? Where? No to both

Was the stranger making an example? No Did he use a name which fit the example and was the same as the one of the student? No Was the stranger a Professor? No

Did he see the stranger in a video? No Just heared his/her voice? Yes (his) Skype calls relevant? No Did he see/hear the stranger through a phone? No While at lesson? Yes (may lead astray) but Irrel
Was the stranger famous? He was well-known in a certain area Was the lie part of a famous sentence? No Relevant what is his name? No Is it a common one? I'm not sure how common the stranger's name is, but it's not obscure

Was the stranger's intention to refer to the student? Yes If so, relevant how the student recognized that the stranger was referring to him and not to someone else? Yes
Did he hear it at a train station? No Was the audience a classic audience present when the stranger was talking or is it an audience different from day to day? Different audience, but with a significant overlap of some of the same people For instance the audience of an airport and the recorded voice was of a stranger making an announcement? Not a bad idea, but No
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:34 pm

Radio?
Was the overall effect of the lie, for the student, positive, negative or neither?
Same Q for the stranger?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby GalFisk » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:42 pm

Was it a radio broadcast? Student radio? Were any other people relevantly referred to? Was this student randomly chosen? Was a mistake made?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Balin » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:57 pm

Radio? Yes
Was the overall effect of the lie, for the student, positive, negative or neither? Neither
Same Q for the stranger? Neither

Was it a radio broadcast? Yes Student radio? No Were any other people relevantly referred to? Yope for multiple reasons Was this student randomly chosen? No Was a mistake made? No
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Enjay » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:13 pm

Is the stranger a radio presenter? If not, relevant why they were speaking on the radio?

Did the stranger now who the student was beyond the name? Would they have been picturing that student when they thought of the name, or did they just know that someone of that name existed?

Are there other relevant people of the same name as the student?

Did the stranger use the student's first name? Last name? Relevant?

Did the stranger intend people hearing what they said to connect it to that student?

Is it relevant that he is a student?

Is the stranger speaking to someone else who is with them? Just generally broadcasting out to listeners?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Balin » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:23 am

Is the stranger a radio presenter? Yes If not, relevant why they were speaking on the radio? No

Did the stranger know who the student was beyond the name? No Would they have been picturing that student when they thought of the name, or did they just know that someone of that name existed? The latter

Are there other relevant people of the same name as the student? No

Did the stranger use the student's first name? Only this Last name? Relevant? It may help

Did the stranger intend people hearing what they said to connect it to that student? Yope

Is it relevant that he is a student? No

Is the stranger speaking to someone else who is with them? Just generally broadcasting out to listeners? This
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Enjay » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:34 pm

Was the student's first name very unusual? Unique? Did the stranger intend to refer to a specific person of that name, or just to anyone with that name?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:46 pm

Is the student well-known or famous? Is his last name well-known?

Did this scenario happen in real life? with real people?

The stranger DIDN'T intend people connecting (what he said) to the student, but nevertheless people did connect it to the student?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby wwhere » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:30 pm

Was the radio host just reading a letter from the audience? (like they sometimes do when dedicating a song) And that letter was written by someone who did know the student? Maybe a spurned ex?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Balin » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:39 pm

Was the student's first name very unusual? No Unique? No Did the stranger intend to refer to a specific person of that name Yes or just to anyone with that name?

Is the student well-known or famous? No Is his last name well-known? No, last name is Irrel

Did this scenario happen in real life? Yes with real people? Yes

The stranger DIDN'T My mistake, he did, see following answer intend people connecting (what he said) to the student, but nevertheless people did connect it to the student? Hmm... people who knew the student might connect it to the student, people who didn't know him would not. And the radio host was referring to the specific student, even though he'd never met him.

Was the radio host just reading a letter from the audience? No but OTRT (like they sometimes do when dedicating a song) This is exactly what he was doing! And that letter was written by someone who did know the student? No... Maybe a spurned ex? No
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:25 pm

So was the radio host saying something like, 'Here's Toxic by Britney, dedicated to (Student's name) as it's his favourite song, it's his birthday, he's just graduated, passed an exam, he's failed and this is to cheer him up... anything like that?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Enjay » Sun Jan 28, 2018 6:41 pm

Was the song about the student? Did the presenter say the song was about the student?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Balin » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:19 pm

So was the radio host saying something like, 'Here's Toxic by Britney, dedicated to (Student's name) Yes (although that wasn't the song as it's his favourite song, it's his birthday, he's just graduated, passed an exam, he's failed and this is to cheer him up... anything like that? Something exactly like that, but none of those examples

Was the song about the student? Did the presenter say the song was about the student? No to both
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Enjay » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:32 pm

Had the student sent in the song request to the station? Had someone else on behalf of the student?

Did the presenter say that the song was for an occasion of some kind to do with the student? Was this the lie?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:35 am

Is it relevant which song it was?
Did what the presenter say relate to a 3rd party, &/or someone known or unknown to the student? Did anyone die?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Balin » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:05 am

Had the student sent in the song request to the station? Yes Had someone else on behalf of the student? No

Did the presenter say that the song was for an occasion of some kind to do with the student? Yope - svv of "occasion" Was this the lie? Yes

Is it relevant which song it was? No
Did what the presenter say relate to a 3rd party, &/or someone known or unknown to the student? The student only Did anyone die? No
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:38 am

Marriage? Engagement?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Enjay » Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:43 am

Did the presenter misread what the student sent in? Misunderstand?

Wild guess - I went to a pantomime once where they made a joke of misreading "ill" as the number 111 - did the presenter say the student was 111 years old when he was actually ill?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Balin » Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:30 pm

Marriage? Engagement? Neither

Did the presenter misread what the student sent in? Misunderstand? No to both

Wild guess - I went to a pantomime once where they made a joke of misreading "ill" as the number 111 - did the presenter say the student was 111 years old when he was actually ill? No, but sickness is relevant!
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:11 pm

Were the words of the song or the title relevant, e.g. 'Getting Better' by the Beatles or 'Sick on you' ?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Balin » Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:50 am

Were the words of the song or the title relevant, e.g. 'Getting Better' by the Beatles or 'Sick on you' ? No
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Enjay » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:20 am

Was the song dedicated to the student because he was ill? Did the student himself send the song request in? Someone else who knew the student?

Did the lie relate to illness? If so, to illness of the student? Did the presenter say he was ill when he wasn't? Lie about the type of sickness?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby KingLouie » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:29 am

Hmmm... gonna think out loud a bit... hope I don't embarrass myself too much.

Mini-recap: Student is in class, hears a radio personality dedicate a song to him, presumably under an incorrect premise. He sent in this dedication himself at some point.

Were others listening when this happens? If so, did others recognize the lie?
Was it a dedication to him because he was "sick and stuck at home", which was evident as a lie because he was there in class?
Was there a significant time lapse (a day or more) between when the student sent in the dedication and when it aired?
Is it significant WHY the student sent in the dedication in the first place?
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift

Postby Balin » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:21 pm

Was the song dedicated to the student because he was ill? Yes Did the student himself send the song request in? Yes! Someone else who knew the student?

Did the lie relate to illness? Yes If so, to illness of the student? Yes Did the presenter say he was ill when he wasn't? This! Lie about the type of sickness?

Mini-recap: Student is in class, hears a radio personality dedicate a song to him, presumably under an incorrect premise. He sent in this dedication himself at some point. Right.

Were others listening when this happens? Yes If so, did others recognize the lie? After he pointed it out
Was it a dedication to him because he was "sick and stuck at home", which was evident as a lie because he was there in class? Yes!
Was there a significant time lapse (a day or more) between when the student sent in the dedication and when it aired? Yes, exactly!
Is it significant WHY the student sent in the dedication in the first place? You already know that

Hmmm... gonna think out loud a bit... hope I don't embarrass myself too much. I doubt it, given that you and Enjay have brought this to the point of

****SPOILER****

This happened to me in high school. One day while home sick from school, I sent in a song request to a local radio station; they asked my name and how I was doing, and I told them. The next day I was feeling better, so I went to school, and during the first period they played my song request, saying it was from [my name] "who's feeling under the weather today." Which, being at school, I obviously wasn't.

Sorry for taking so long to drop in, but well-solved, and welcome back Louie!
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Re: [Balin] Catch the drift (*EXIT THE WARRIOR*)

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:20 pm

Brilliant puzzle Balin! Very clever. You know, this happened to me (without the illness) - I rang in and spoke to Noddy Holder (of Slade) who was presenting a radio show. He didn't play my request until 3 weeks later.
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