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Earnest wrote:Alice HAF? HCF? HCFOthers = children? HCF & HCMHAMixed? Did she want specific sweets? Irrel Chocolate? Did the others find it out once she had eaten the sweets? Yes Did someone bought her sweets? Yes Did Alice try to hide the sweets? No Relevant the reason why she could not tell about her sweets? Yes Was Alice and the others prisoners? No Was it allowed to have sweets? Yope Was Alice prisoner and the others guards? No
Did the others find it out immediately? After days? Hours? 1 hour or lessby seeing that she had sweets?No Because Alice put on weight? No Are consequences like caries relevant? No Allergies relevant? No Did someone bought her sweets? Yes Did she receive sweets at the end? At the end of what? Don’t understand Q sorry Was the someone who promised her sweets evil? NoDid the someone want to attract Alice without being noticed? No Did the someone have some relation with Alice (mum/dad/aunt/cousine/friend)?Yes
irishelk wrote:Did the other children ask Alice if she'd gotten sweets? No Did she tell them she did? No Did they ask her something else? No Did they figure out she had sweets from something she said? Yes Maybe that she wasn't hungry/didn't want any? No
Did they find physical evidence of candy? Did they ask something of the person who bought the sweets? The person who sold them? No to all
Exact nature of the familial relationship relevant? Yes Is it a parent and children? Yes Is Alice the child of the sweets-giver? Yes Is Alice related to the other children? Yes
KingLouie wrote:Did she simply enjoy her sweets, then later brag about getting sweets that the others didn't? OTRT
Earnest wrote:Were the other children more than 2? More than 5? Alice was 3, the others were 5, 6 and 7 Were them friends of alice? No Brothers and sisters of her? Yes Did they want sweets too? Once they found out Alice had had sweets, yes. Had they asked dor sweets would the parent of Alice bought them? Not on this occasion If not, because they were too fat? Because they were too much? On this occasion, this Because she/he did not know them? Were them in an hospital?
Had Alice some chocolate on her teeth so that when she said something the other recognized the chocolate and discovered her? No Were sweets bought just to be eaten by Alice? Yes As a commodity to be exchanged? No Relevant the time period? No Did the others suffer from some disease? No Would the other have eaten the sweets? Yes Would they have used them in another way? If they had eaten them would this have caused something negative for them? For Alice? For alice's parent? (Like it was forbidden from the parents of the other children to Alice's parebt to give them sweets?) No to the rest
Earnest wrote:Were alice and her brothers and sisters outside their house? At the point where the ‘discovery’ occurred, yes Were they walking with mum? No Did the parent enter a shop to buy the sweets? At the point where Alice was given the sweets, Yes Was it a fair? No Relevant that Alice was the youngest? Yes If so did the parent bought her sweets so that she would have not lost herself? No Like a form of protection to Alice (she bought her sweets and by telling her not to say to the others the parent ensures that Alice did something? Stays in the nearby?) Were the other present when Alice asked for sweets? Did they hear the answer if the parent? No to these Did the parent want to achieve a goal given the situation in which he/she found him/herself with children?Yesish, explore
KingLouie wrote:Was what she told the other kids something along the lines that she was the parents' "favorite", they loved her more, etc. (or something along those lines), and in the ensuing discussion she "proved" it by mentioning something that laterally resulted in their finding out about the sweets? No
Earnest wrote:Did Alice enter the shop with her mum? Yes If not did the mum want Alice to wait for her and so she promised her to buy sweets? Was Alice in danger? No Did the brothers and sisters always force her to give them the sweets? No Was Alice able to speak? Yes Parent = mum or dad? Mum Relevant? No Was the parent alone? Yes Was he/she divorced by his wife/her husband? Irrel If so was it the day for Alice to see him/her? No Was the situation a sjtuation of possible danger? No Is the aim that the parent want to reach, reached once Alice waited for the sweets? Once she received them? Not sure I understand this question?
Earnest wrote:Well ok...sorry in advance for the questions not clear but you know...from times to times I found it hard to explain myself in english xD No worries, I understand!
However...Alice entered with mum in the shop while the others were not present? Yes Were the others with mum? No In a car? No Did Alice ask for sweets also in presence if the others? No Would the mum have denied her sweets in the presence of the othersYes and eventually bought sweets secretly? No Did the mum buy Alice sweets to avoid her asking for sweets in the presence of the others? Noish
Could the mum afford to buy sweets for Alice Yes and her brothers? No Are the negative things usually connected with sweets(caries/fat/sugar...) involved? No Is one of those the reason why Alice had not to talk with the others? No
Was it Halloween? No Something lije Alice would not have received any sweet because she was not allowed to go and do "trick or treat" being too young and hence the mum bought her sweets in advance? No If so would the others be jealous because she had received sweets in advanced? But yes
Being the youngest implies: she could not participate to some event? She was too small to reach something? (Like she went to a party with mum in which a pinata had been done but she was too small to reach the sweets so that mum bought her?) Or maybe the fact that the mum wanted to avoid that she ate too many sweets diring an event and hence preferred to buy her sweets in a smaller quantity? Or again she wanted Alice not to eat too much in an event in which they would have taken part so that she bought her sweets, Alice was not to hungry and thus she did not ate a lot? No to all of these
KingLouie wrote:Was the "not able to afford sweets for everyone" an at-that-moment condition, Yes or were they a poor family? Relevant? Not really
So, going back to the beginning - we need to find out how the older kids found out about the sweets...
The discovering of the sweets -- Was it a lateral conversation? This Event? observation? that led to the other kids learning of the sweets? Perhaps a later event that involved food, and she said she wasn't hungry because of the sweets she had earlier? Or, another side effect of eating sweets?
KingLouie wrote:Hmmmm... so were the kids later discussing foods (sweets) they liked? If so, did she then incriminate herself by knowing of things she shouldn't (having just been in the sweet shop and/or had sweets that were discussed)? No to both
KingLouie wrote:Did she later get sick from the sweets? No
Earnest wrote:Did they ask her sonething? No Did they suspect that mum bought her sweets? No, they had no idea at first Did they discovere it by chance or making on purpose questions/sentences? For instance they asked wheather Alice was hungry? How did something taste? No Did she said at a certain point "mum has bought me sweets"? Not this, but OTRT... She was told not to tell the others, remember.
Did they ask mum to prepare them a cake? Did Alice finish all the sweets that mum bought her? Did Alice got all of her teeth?
Did they exploit the fact that she was the youngest? Did they exploit a toy No to these
KingLouie wrote:Did she ask Mum a question within the other kids' earshot that revealed the action? No but still otrt i.e. can we get more of those _________? Then, the others ask where she got those...No
Earnest wrote:Did she ask something to her mum? Like "do I need to wash my teeth" or "can I say it to dad?" or "my stomach is hurting!"
Did she recognizes a brand? Was she learning to speak and recognized the brand name? No to all of these, although... at 3 years old she could already speak and understand very well.
Did she have a pacifier? If so did it resempble one of the sweers she ate? Did she have a high chair? Relevant? The fact that she was the youngest is relevant in that she had an habit that the others did not have being elder? No/irrel to all
invisiblemimsy wrote:KingLouie wrote:Was the "not able to afford sweets for everyone" an at-that-moment condition, Yes or were they a poor family? Relevant? Not really
So, going back to the beginning - we need to find out how the older kids found out about the sweets...
The discovering of the sweets -- Was it a lateral conversation? This Event? observation? that led to the other kids learning of the sweets? Perhaps a later event that involved food, and she said she wasn't hungry because of the sweets she had earlier? Or, another side effect of eating sweets?
KingLouie wrote:So.... this lateral conversation... was it between her and the other children? Yes with Mum around? Yes Between her and Mum in earshot of the others? No Is the secret of the sweets uncovered by something said by the girl? Yes One of the other children? No Mum? Noinvisiblemimsy wrote:KingLouie wrote:Was the "not able to afford sweets for everyone" an at-that-moment condition, Yes or were they a poor family? Relevant? Not really
So, going back to the beginning - we need to find out how the older kids found out about the sweets...
The discovering of the sweets -- Was it a lateral conversation? This Event? observation? that led to the other kids learning of the sweets? Perhaps a later event that involved food, and she said she wasn't hungry because of the sweets she had earlier? Or, another side effect of eating sweets?
KingLouie wrote:Drat... the exact worst combination of answers for my train(s) of thought... kudos!
Did she say something innocent that Mum misheard/misinterpreted as her telling the other kids that she got sweets? No
Earnest wrote:Well...did Alice obey to the mum? Hmm, strictly speaking, YESISH but she used lateral thinking... Did she disobey on purpose?Let’s just say, she knew exactly what she was saying! Were the children fighting for something? No
Did she deny to have had sweets in a way that other understood that she instead had them? YES Did they smell the smell of a cake? NO Were they arguing for having the biggest piece if cake? NO Did they discuss while at dinner/lunch? NO, it was literally as soon as she saw them
Was she play with her doll like children do and spoke with her telling the doll if the sweets tasted good? ...technically speaking she was not talking to the other children NoxD
Earnest wrote:Did she share a very little part with them saying "look at what mum bought us!"? No, she had already eaten the sweets by the time she got home Did she somehow reveal them to have eaten sweets Yes but that she shared with them all? That she had found some sweets somewhere? Did she tell them a story about how she got the sweets? No to the rest
KingLouie wrote:Did she pull candy wrappers out of her pocket? No
KingLouie wrote:So did they go ahead of her and Mum, and then later caught back up after sweets-time, and in greeting her siblings "apologized for being behind, but it wasn't because we were getting sweets" or similar?
No
Earnest wrote:Did she said " mum did not allow me to tell you a secret?", Yes, words to that effect did she mention the word sweets in what she said? Yes Did she say it to them because she knew they would have discover it? No Because in that way mum would have been forced to buy sweets again and hence she would have eaten again? No Did the info she gave about she eating sweets looked like a secondary information in the way she told them? No
Did she mention the fact that she went to the sweets shop with mum? No That she had done something with mum? No Lateral thinking used in telling that she has eaten sweets without explicitly telling them "I have eaten sweets" right? Yes Did she deny to have done it? Yes Is there something missing in what we discovered until now...I mean particolar conditions/context in which she told them what she told? No Physical conditions? No The place where she told them what she told? Irrel Did she answer to a question of someone? No Did she thank her mum in front of the others? No Did she ask to mum sonething revealing that she had bought her sweets? No
Did the other discover that she had eaten sweets by in a first instance discovering that the mum bought her sweets? Yes, because of what she said Or did they discover directly that she had eaten sweets and then deduce that mum bough the sweets to Alice?