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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:23 pm

Two miles as an arrow flies.

"Silver yet the five streams flow
Fails the green plain never
As from age to age we go
Onward, onward ever"
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:38 pm

As an arrow flies: a straight line? A ballistic trajectory? A pointer made of insects? Is the poem relevant to the puzzle? Is the poem about rivers?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:22 pm

GalFisk wrote:As an arrow flies: a straight line? Yes A ballistic trajectory? Yes A pointer made of insects? Haha, no Is the poem relevant to the puzzle? Yes Is the poem about rivers? Yes
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Postby Earnest » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:42 pm

Don't know the poem however...arrow files = rivers? Arrow? The files = files on a pc? An arrow displayed on a screen? An arrow = a physical one?

It inspires me lord of the rings don't know why...
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:57 pm

Is a river delta relevant? A distance? River impeding human travel? War? Olden times? Are they English miles? Is a distance between two points relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:37 pm

Earnest wrote:Don't know the poem however...arrow files = rivers? It's "flies" not "files", as in the verb "to fly". And no, "flies" does not equal "rivers". Arrow? The files = files on a pc? No An arrow displayed on a screen? No An arrow = a physical one? Yes

It inspires me lord of the rings don't know why... Nice idea, but not LOTR
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:40 pm

GalFisk wrote:Is a river delta relevant? No A distance? Yes River impeding human travel? No War? No Olden times? Yes Are they English miles? Yes Is a distance between two points relevant? Yes, good question
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:37 pm

Is an arrow actually shot? Is an arrow pointing at something? Is a record relevant? Wind?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:54 pm

GalFisk wrote:Is an arrow actually shot? Yes Is an arrow pointing at something? Yes Is a record relevant? No Wind? No
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Postby Earnest » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:48 pm

Are the two miles the distance covered by the arrow? Is the distance covered by soneone? With an horse? Has the news that the arrow has been shot "travelled" for two miles? Is it relevantly two miles? Could it be also 3? 1? Is the distance describing the borders of a country?

"As an arrow flies" = as soon as the arrow fly? When an arrow flies? Does it mean that the two miles part comes after that the arrow flies? Before? Is it relevant where the arrow flies? Toward a specific target? A human? Is the arrow used as a form of communication? Flies = verb to fly?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:47 pm

Earnest wrote:Are the two miles the distance covered by the arrow? Yes Is the distance covered by soneone? Yes With an horse? Possibly but irrel Has the news that the arrow has been shot "travelled" for two miles? Noish Is it relevantly two miles? Yes Could it be also 3? No 1? No Is the distance describing the borders of a country? No

"As an arrow flies" = as soon as the arrow fly? When an arrow flies? "As a [THING] flies" means that the thing travels in a straight line, i.e. by the most direct route. In this case, the thing is an arrow. Does it mean that the two miles part comes after that the arrow flies? YOPE Before? No Is it relevant where the arrow flies? Yes Toward a specific target? Yesish A human? No Is the arrow used as a form of communication? No Flies = verb to fly? Yes
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:29 am

Is the arrow shot from a bow? Crossbow? Sling? Gun? Cannon? Is the arrow rocket powered? Is it a rocket? Did it get stuck in something? Did it come down on the ground? Water? Trees? Manmade structure? Was it a weapon? Were other arrows shot?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:30 am

Ok...thanks for explanations xD

so were the two miles covered vertically? Horizontally?

I think GalFisk get it right so I avoid other questions for now :)
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:50 am

GalFisk wrote:Is the arrow shot from a bow? This Crossbow? Sling? Gun? Cannon? Is the arrow rocket powered? Is it a rocket? No to the rest Did it get stuck in something? No Did it come down on the ground? Yes Water? Trees? Manmade structure? Was it a weapon? Were other arrows shot? No to these
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Postby Earnest » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:51 pm

Wow..thought abput a rocket as well...so....does the arrow point to a specific direction? Was it thrown from a bow by a man/woman? Humanized animal? Robin hood relevant?

The whole sentence means that something has travelled through the most direct route for two miles as an arrow flies? If so did the something fly as well? Or that the arrow flied for two miles through the most direct route?
Is the ground tpuched by the arrow a ground of another country wrt the country from where the arrow was shot?

Iron man relevant? Legend of Drizzt?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:14 pm

Earnest wrote:Wow..thought abput a rocket as well...so....does the arrow point to a specific direction? a general direction Was it thrown from a bow by a man/woman? either, irrel Humanized animal? no Robin hood relevant? no

The whole sentence means that something has travelled through the most direct route for two miles as an arrow flies? Yope If so did the something fly as well? no Or that the arrow flied for two miles through the most direct route? yes
Is the ground tpuched by the arrow a ground of another country wrt the country from where the arrow was shot? no

Iron man relevant? Legend of Drizzt? no
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:35 pm

Two miles is very far to shoot an arrow, correct? Was the bow very strong? Was the arrow helped along?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:11 pm

GalFisk wrote:Two miles is very far to shoot an arrow, correct? Yes,
good question
Was the bow very strong? Just normal Was the arrow helped along? No
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Postby Earnest » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:14 pm

Yes indeed is too far...I thought it was an error of the converter from miles to km...
Therefore, was the arrow transported by someone dor two miles? Was it shot and then travelled for two miles moved by just the force given by the someoene who shot the arrow from the bow?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:43 pm

Earnest wrote:Yes indeed is too far...I thought it was an error of the converter from miles to km... No
Therefore, was the arrow transported by someone dor two miles? No Was it shot and then travelled for two miles moved by just the force given by the someoene who shot the arrow from the bow? No
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:37 pm

Was an arrow actually shot this distance? Was it a record? A trick? An illusion? Carried by an African swallow?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:49 pm

GalFisk wrote:Was an arrow actually shot this distance? No, but...
Was it a record? A trick? An illusion? Carried by an African swallow? No to these
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Postby Earnest » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:02 pm

Are miles a measure of distance? Is what written below the statement of the puzzle relevant to interpret the sentece?

An arrow was shot right? And travelled a "regular distance" in terms of distance travelled by an arrow,right? Is two miles the lenght of something? The lenght of a river? Of a country? The height of something? The distance between point A and point B? If the latter was point A the point from where the arrow was shot? Was point B the place where the arrow landed? Was more than one arrow shot?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:11 pm

Earnest wrote:Are miles a measure of distance? Yes Is what written below the statement of the puzzle relevant to interpret the sentece? Yes,
it's all relevant to the story/puzzle


An arrow was shot right? Yes And travelled a "regular distance" in terms of distance travelled by an arrow,right? Yes Is two miles the lenght of something? Yes The lenght of a river? Of a country? The height of something? The distance between point A and point B? This If the latter was point A the point from where the arrow was shot? Yes Was point B the place where the arrow landed? Yope Was more than one arrow shot? No
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:23 am

Was an arrow shot more than once?
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Postby KingLouie » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:07 am

Arrow 1 shot from starting location, then some time later, Arrow 2 shot from an intermediate location to land 2 miles from Arrow 1 start point, making it appear that the arrow traveled two miles?

OR

Elevation between point 1 and point 2 relevant? Such that 2 miles distance might be much less than that "horizontally"?

OR

WAG - is this on Earth? Gravity (strength) relevant?
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Postby Earnest » Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:58 am

So...we have the description of a landscape on the second sentence right? Is the description of five rivers on a plain? Is it a metaphor for something else? An object? To go onward onward ever means moving continuously? Without stopping forever? If so moving in circle? Moving as an arrow flies? Moving from a place to another? All over the world? Is a certain metal relevant? Silver? Iron? Are weapons relevant? Swords?

Silver = natjral color of streams? Color given by the moon? Given by the water?
It is used the plural: "we go onward and onward"...is it a natural phenomenon like clouds? Something involving the sky? Is the arrow shot in this landscape?

Five streams: five streams state forest? Five rivers? The book "five streams"?

Point A and point B...so...is it somethibg like: an arrow was shot from a bow in a previous age, then for some phenomenon (natural or artificial) described by the below sentence it moved two miles away from point A in point B?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:13 pm

GalFisk wrote:Was an arrow shot more than once? No, just the once
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:16 pm

KingLouie wrote:Arrow 1 shot from starting location, then some time later, Arrow 2 shot from an intermediate location to land 2 miles from Arrow 1 start point, making it appear that the arrow traveled two miles? No, just one arrow

OR

Elevation between point 1 and point 2 relevant? Such that 2 miles distance might be much less than that "horizontally"? No

OR

WAG - is this on Earth? Yes Gravity (strength) relevant? No
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:48 pm

Earnest wrote:So...we have the description of a landscape on the second sentence right? Yes Is the description of five rivers on a plain? Yes Is it a metaphor for something else? No An object? Yope To go onward onward ever means moving continuously? Noish Without stopping forever? Yope If so moving in circle? No Moving as an arrow flies? Yope Moving from a place to another? Yes All over the world? No Is a certain metal relevant? Silver? Iron? No to these Are weapons relevant? Only the arrow, but not as a weapon Swords? No

Silver = natjral color of streams? Yes, with some poetic license Color given by the moon? No Given by the water? Yes, with the same poetic license
It is used the plural: "we go onward and onward"...is it a natural phenomenon like clouds? Something involving the sky? Not these Is the arrow shot in this landscape? Yes

Five streams: five streams state forest? Five rivers? This The book "five streams"?

Point A and point B...so...is it somethibg like: an arrow was shot from a bow in a previous age, Yes then for some phenomenon (natural or artificial) described by the below sentence it moved two miles away from point A in point B? This is not the meaning of the last sentence, no
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Postby Earnest » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:41 pm

Is Cupid involved? Was point A "above" w.r.t. point B? (E.g. point A on a mountain/up in the sky...)

Is the arrow still present in point B? "We go onward and onward" = they protect the landscape? They prevent plain to fail and rivers not to flow? If so in the sense that they prevent the landscape to be destroyed? Destroyed by human beings? Are "they" animated things? Animals? Gods? Rocks?
Do they" go onward and onward forever" from point A to point B? Is it a wall?

Before landing to the ground did the arrow hit something? Was it a flaming arrow? A sign to someone? Did the man who shot want to hit something with the arrow? Did he want to save himself? Save someone else? Was a rope tied to the arrow? Is point B 2 miles away from point A? Is the same arrow present 2 miles away from point A? Was a flaming arrow shot as a signal and then for 2 miles flames burn as a response to the signal?

...ok is a very stupid Wag but I have to tell it...I thought about a meteor falling from the sky, a man shot an arrow and the arrow sticked in the meteor which then carried on...ok stupid thought but funny
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:10 pm

Earnest wrote:Is Cupid involved? No Was point A "above" w.r.t. point B? Yes (E.g. point A on a mountain Yes, on a hill up in the sky... No)

Is the arrow still present in point B? "We go onward and onward" = they protect the landscape? They prevent plain to fail and rivers not to flow? If so in the sense that they prevent the landscape to be destroyed? Destroyed by human beings? Are "they" animated things? Animals? Gods? Rocks? No to all
Do they" go onward and onward forever" For SVV of 'forever' from point A to point B? Is it a wall? No

Before landing to the ground did the arrow hit something? YES! Was it a flaming arrow? No A sign to someone? Yes Did the man who shot want to hit something with the arrow? Yes Did he want to save himself? Save someone else? Was a rope tied to the arrow? No to these Is point B 2 miles away from point A? Yesish Is the same arrow present 2 miles away from point A? Noish Was a flaming arrow shot as a signal and then for 2 miles flames burn as a response to the signal? No

...ok is a very stupid Wag but I have to tell it...I thought about a meteor falling from the sky, a man shot an arrow and the arrow sticked in the meteor which then carried on...ok stupid thought but funny No :lol:
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Postby Earnest » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:12 pm

Did it hit something noisy? Something which gave the signal? Or was the signal the arrow itself? Did it hit an animal? Hunting relevant? Was the arrow physically 2 miles away from point A? If so did the something bring it 2 miles away? Is a sign of incoming danger? Incoming enemies? Is the noise provoked by the arrow hitting something that went 2 miles away?
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:19 pm

Did the arrow get stuck in something? Bounce off of something? Float down a river? Did it travel the 2 mile distance in: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Centuries? Millennia?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:42 pm

Earnest wrote:Did it hit something noisy? No Something which gave the signal? Yesish Or was the signal the arrow itself? Yesish Did it hit an animal? Yes Hunting relevant? No Was the arrow physically 2 miles away from point A? Yope If so did the something bring it 2 miles away? Yes Is a sign of incoming danger? Incoming enemies? Is the noise provoked by the arrow hitting something that went 2 miles away? No to these
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:46 pm

GalFisk wrote:Did the arrow get stuck in something? Yes Bounce off of something? No Float down a river? No Did it travel the 2 mile distance in: seconds? Minutes? Probably this Hours? Possibly this Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Centuries? Millennia?
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Postby Earnest » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:32 pm

Relevant which animal? A pig? A deer? A bird? A boar? A fish in the river? Was it a sign for something to begin? A race? A competition? Was it a sign about the ability of the man?

"Fails the green plane never"= the fact that they were on a hill? It means that until "they" go onward onward ever the plain will be always green? Is what goes from age to age
Onward, onward ever" part of the landscape? The animal?

Had he not hit the animal would he have tried another time? Would something negative happen? Was it somwhow a test he had to pass? Was it a subny day? Relevant the wheather conditions? Old times = ancient roman times? Middle age? Renaissance? 1800? 1900? Relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:52 pm

Earnest wrote:Relevant which animal? A pig? A deer? This A bird? A boar? A fish in the river? Was it a sign for something to begin? Yes A race? A competition? Was it a sign about the ability of the man? No to these

"Fails the green plane never"= the fact that they were on a hill? No It means that until "they" go onward onward ever the plain will be always green? Noish Is what goes from age to age
Onward, onward ever" part of the landscape? Yes The animal? No

Had he not hit the animal would he have tried another time? No, he was only going to do it the once regardless Would something negative happen? No Was it somwhow a test he had to pass? No Was it a subny day? Probably Relevant the wheather conditions? Yes,
it would've had to have been decent weather
Old times = ancient roman times? Middle age? This Renaissance? 1800? 1900? Relevant?
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:21 pm

Did he hit a deer? Hurt a deer? Kill a deer? Mark a deer? Any other animals relevant? If so, carnivores that eat deer?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:30 pm

GalFisk wrote:Did he hit a deer? Yes Hurt a deer? Yes Kill a deer? Possibly Mark a deer? Any other animals relevant? If so, carnivores that eat deer? No to these
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Postby biograd » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:34 pm

So it stuck in the deer, and the deer ran/walked the rest of the two miles with the arrow stuck in it? or did it get "unstuck" and travel the rest of the two miles by some other means?
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Postby Earnest » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:36 pm

So...was it in Europe? England? Scotland? Other part of Europe?

Is what goes from age to age 
Onward, onward ever" a river? Something water made? A mountain? Grass? Wind? Sonething in the sky? River?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:07 pm

biograd wrote:So it stuck in the deer, and the deer ran/walked the rest of the two miles with the arrow stuck in it? YES, exactly or did it get "unstuck" and travel the rest of the two miles by some other means? No
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:11 pm

Earnest wrote:So...was it in Europe? England? This Scotland? Other part of Europe?

Is what goes from age to age 
Onward, onward ever" a river? Yes, but also... Something water made? A mountain? Grass? Wind? Sonething in the sky? No to these River?
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Postby Earnest » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:55 am

Is it a legend? The story of a saint?

Is what goes from age to age 
Onward, onward ever" water in general? An history? A legend? The reputation of the man? A city? The arrow? Trees? The plain? All the 5 rivers? Relevant that the river were 5? Were the river all in the same place? In different places? Like they are 5 rivers in England? Thames relevant?

Did the deer stop in a specific point?
Was the deer a real deer/a humanized one? King/Queen of England relevant? Was the man King of England? Did he become King? If so after the shot?

Wag...Salisbury relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:21 am

Earnest wrote:Is it a legend? The story of a saint?

Is what goes from age to age 
Onward, onward ever" water in general? no An history? yes A legend? yes The reputation of the man? no A city? yesThe arrow? no Trees? no The plain? yes All the 5 rivers? yes Relevant that the river were 5? yesish Were the river all in the same place? yesish In different places? no Like they are 5 rivers in England?yesish Thames relevant? no

Did the deer stop in a specific point? yes
Was the deer a real deer/a humanized one? King/Queen of England relevant? Was the man King of England? Did he become King? If so after the shot? no to the rest

Wag...Salisbury relevant? yes! How on earth did you manage that!?


Great questions :-)
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Postby Earnest » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:32 am

How on earth did you manage that!? Ahhhhhaaahhaah...so explanations are due...first I've reasoned about the possibility that one thing that could make a landscape and a man shooting a deer last forever is a legend...then I thought about myths and I remembered similar stories about foundations of cities. Therefore I googled "England foundations city arrow deer" and Salisbury appeared
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:06 pm

Aw, google is cheating, you naughty person!
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Postby Earnest » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:20 pm

Well...it has been told various times in various puzzlesthat googling is allowed...but we need Balin or orher admins to solve the issue...

Anyway I was able to figure out that it was the legend of a city...just I did not know which specific one
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Postby Balin » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:19 pm

Different puzzle setters have different rules about Googling - there's no hard and fast rule always prohibiting or allowing it. My personal preference is "no Googling unless allowed in the puzzle statement" but other puzzle setters have traditionally always allowed it.
In this case I think we can call it a misunderstanding but also a valid solve, since Earnest did figure out it had to do with the legend of a city.
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Postby Earnest » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:28 pm

Many thanks Balin and sorry Invisiblemimsy for not having properly understood the rules.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:53 pm

In any case, this is not a complete solve. There is more to the puzzle than this. Please don’t google the rest of it.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Set in stone

Postby GalFisk » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:08 pm

Is the city on the plain? Was it founded where the arrow stopped? Was founding a city on someone's mind when the arrow was shot?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Set in stone

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:26 am

GalFisk wrote:Is the city on the plain? Was it founded where the arrow stopped? Was founding a city on someone's mind when the arrow was shot? Yes to all
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Set in stone

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:39 am

Basically, there is one more thing you need for a solve.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Set in stone

Postby GalFisk » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:18 pm

Relevant who shot it? Was it a person of power? Legend? Divinity? Does it explain why the city is located in a silly place?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Set in stone

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:10 pm

GalFisk wrote:Relevant who shot it? Was it a person of power? This Legend? A mixture of history and legend Divinity? Does it explain why the city is located in a silly place? It does explain why the city is located where it is, though I woudn't call it a 'silly place'!


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There is an Iron Age hill fort called 'Sarum', and then 'Sorviodunum' in Roman times, on Salisbury plain near Stonehenge. The foundation of the ‘new’ city of Salisbury, near Stonehenge, is based on a legend. The story has it that a person of importance decided where to build the city by shooting an arrow down into the valley. The modern-day Cathedral is situated exactly 2 miles south of Old Sarum, where five rivers meet - the Avon, Nadder, Whyle, Ebble and Bourne.
There are lots of theories on how an arrow could reach that far but one that’s often heard is that the archer shot a deer and the deer ran to where today’s Cathedral stands.

Well done to Galfisk for the solve, and also to Earnest, Balin, Biograd and KingLouie for taking part.
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