[invisiblemimsy] Songbirds of Pain

[invisiblemimsy]

Tomorrow they will break her legs.
Much later, she will leave her husband.

(Based on a short story).

[Earnest]

So she = H/A/F right? And husband = HAM? They = people paid for breaking her legs? Doctors? Scientists? How many are they? 2? 3? 4? 5? More than 10? More than 30?

Much later = years later? When she will die? Days later? Months later? Depending on something? Was she forced to do so? Was she willing to leave her husband? Was husband and wife both alive?
I'm thinking about mummies or sonething like this and paleontolgist studying the bones of the one identified as wife?

She will leave her husband = for a day? For a week? Forever? For years?

Break her leg: is she going to feel pain? Break the legs = break the bones? Was she framed under rubbles and it was necessary to break her leg to save her? Were her legs already broken? Did they break the entire leg? Just a pittle fragment? Will she leave the husband for the same reason why her leg has been broken? Cultural reasons? Medical conditions relevant?

[invisiblemimsy]

So she = H/A/F right? Yes And husband = HAM? Yes They = people paid for breaking her legs? Yes Doctors? Yes Scientists? How many are they? 2? 3? 4? 5? Irrel but a small number, let's say 2 or 3 More than 10? More than 30?

Much later = years later? When she will die? No Days later? Months later? Probably many months or a year Depending on something? Yes, depending on her being fully recovered Was she forced to do so? No Was she willing to leave her husband? Yope Was husband and wife both alive? Yes
I'm thinking about mummies or sonething like this and paleontolgist studying the bones of the one identified as wife? No

She will leave her husband = for a day? For a week? Forever? This For years?

Break her leg: is she going to feel pain? Yope Break the legs = break the bones? Yes Was she framed under rubbles and it was necessary to break her leg to save her? No Were her legs already broken? No Did they break the entire leg? The shins (tibia and fibula) completely Just a pittle fragment? No Will she leave the husband for the same reason why her leg has been broken? Yope Cultural reasons? No Medical conditions relevant? Yope

[Earnest]

Was the wife going to die? Was the husband? Contagious diseases relevant? Were the husband and the wife happy together?

Was the husband aware the she had her legs broken by dovtors?

[invisiblemimsy]

Was the wife going to die? No Was the husband? No Contagious diseases relevant? No Were the husband and the wife happy together? Yes

Was the husband aware the she had her legs broken by dovtors? Yes

[Earnest]

Were the legs of the woman going to be broken even without the intervention of doctors?

Was she operated to the legs? If so Was she transfered to the hospital in a first instance just to be operated to the legs? Was she able to walk and deambulate properly before her legs had been broken? Leave the husband = go somewhere and never see him again? Had the doctors told her to leave the husband? Will they never see them again?

[invisiblemimsy]

Were the legs of the woman going to be broken even without the intervention of doctors? No

Was she operated to the legs? Yes If so Was she transfered to the hospital in a first instance just to be operated to the legs? No Was she able to walk and deambulate properly before her legs had been broken? Yes Leave the husband = go somewhere and never see him again? Yes Had the doctors told her to leave the husband? No Will they never see them again? Who do you mean by 'they' and 'them', Earnest?

[Earnest]

Ok so...ubtill now...we have an happy couple; the wife is going to be operated and will never see again the husband once recovered. All is voluntarily chosen by both husband and wife and actually they are two real persons living with each other and behaving as anormal couple right?

Did the husband and the wife take this decision in order to avoid something? For their (the couple) benefit? For the benefit of their children? To hide something else? Was she or he a spy? Did they (the couple) want to protect someone? Was it the easiest way to obtain something? Were the wife and the husband happy to do this (broken legs to the wife + not see each other anymore)? Was it necessary? Could the husband have his legs broken instead of the wife without changing the puzzles solution? Without changing the final result? Was a child going to born? Were the legs broken in order to allow the child to born? In order to allow the wife to do a specific movement? Once operated the result of the operation was just that she had broken legs? Or did she receive other benefits from the operation?

[invisiblemimsy]

Ok so...ubtill now...we have an happy couple; Yes the wife is going to be operated Yes and will never see again the husband once recovered. Yes All is voluntarily chosen by both husband No and wife Yes and actually they are two real persons living with each other and behaving as anormal couple right? Yes

Did the husband and the wife take this decision in order to avoid something? Husband no, Wife yes For their (the couple) benefit? No For the benefit of their children? No To hide something else? No Was she or he a spy? No Did they (the couple) want to protect someone? No Was it the easiest way to obtain something? No Were the wife and the husband happy to do this (broken legs to the wife She was + not see each other anymore She was and she wasn't )? Was it necessary? Not really, but she thought so (for a certain value of 'necessary') Could the husband have his legs broken instead of the wife without changing the puzzles solution? In theory, but it's unlikely that it would've happened that way Without changing the final result? Ditto Was a child going to born? No Were the legs broken in order to allow the child to born? So no In order to allow the wife to do a specific movement? No Once operated the result of the operation was just that she had broken legs? Not just this Or did she receive other benefits from the operation? Yes

[Earnest]

Did it happen in ancient times? Modern times? Is it an ancient tradition?

A permission? Physical benefits? Did she result in being healthier than before the operation?
Anyway...is it something illegal going on here? If not, had she been operated for a specific issue she had? Was she injured? Did she have a tumor? Was the primary operation made to the legs? Were the legs broken in order doctors to cure her properly and better? Amputation relevant?

Relevant the husband's profession? The wife profession? Were them Doctor? One of the two? Husband? Wife?

The thing she wanted to avoid = something negative in terms of her relationship with the husband? Did she act for the benefit of both herself and the husband? Burocracy relevant?

Onve recovered did she take a plane? Did she leave in another country? Miles away from the husband? Did she leave to safe her life? To save the husband's life?

[invisiblemimsy]

Did it happen in ancient times? No Modern times? Yes Is it an ancient tradition? No

A permission? He gave her permission Physical benefits? Yes Did she result in being healthier than before the operation? No
Anyway...is it something illegal going on here? No If not, had she been operated for a specific issue she had? Yope Was she injured? Not beforehand Did she have a tumor? No Was the primary operation made to the legs? NoishWere the legs broken in order doctors to cure her properly and better? Noish Amputation relevant? No

Relevant the husband's profession? The wife profession? Were them Doctor? One of the two? Husband? Wife? No to all

The thing she wanted to avoid = something negative in terms of her relationship with the husband? Noish Did she act for the benefit of both herself and the husband? No Burocracy relevant? No

Onve recovered did she take a plane? Yes Did she leave in another country? Not sure I understand the question. She left from the place where they broke her legs. Both she and her husband lived in another country Miles away from the husband? No Did she leave to safe her life? No To save the husband's life? No

[GalFisk]

Did she want to leave the husband? Did he want her to leave? Did they get a divorce? Did she leave because she was no longer happy with him? Did she know when she left that they would not see eachother again? Did he? Were her legs broken in order to make them longer? To fix a problem?

[invisiblemimsy]

Did she want to leave the husband? Noish Did he want her to leave? No Did they get a divorce? Irrel Did she leave because she was no longer happy with him? No Did she know when she left that they would not see eachother again? Yes Did he? Assume yes, but mostly irrel Were her legs broken in order to make them longer? Yesish To fix a problem? Noish

[Earnest]

Ok so the issue she had was in another part of her body? If so list of body parts if allowed (sorry but I ask before making false assumptions again xD). And her legs were broken because she simply asked?

Is this a true story? Army relevant? Nationality of the two relevant? Will she change her features through the operation (e.g. broke her legs in order to make her smaller)? Would the husband be able to recognize her after the operation? Leave forever the husband = undertaking volunarily some actions in order to leave him? Or is it a possible/sure consequence of something? Of the operation?

[invisiblemimsy]

Ok so the issue she had was in another part of her body? Yope If so list of body parts if allowed (sorry but I ask before making false assumptions again xD). No problem Legs, face, bust, bottom, teeth, maybe more And her legs were broken because she simply asked? and something else

Is this a true story? no Army relevant? no Nationality of the two relevant? no Will she change her features through the operation yes (e.g. broke her legs in order to make her smaller)? That kind of thing yes Would the husband be able to recognize her after the operation? No Leave forever the husband = undertaking volunarily some actions in order to leave him? yes Or is it a possible/sure consequence of something? yope Of the operation? yope

[Earnest]

Well then...she wants to chanflge features so that her husband won't be able to recognize her after the operations right? Now we need to figure out the reason why correct?

Safety reasons? To protect someone? A purely aesthetic reason? Like she was not comfortable with her appearence but she knew that the husband won't love her again after she changed the appearence? Did she want to avoid to be identified? If so by the husband? Was she escaping from someone? Did she want to break the bridges with her past life? Did she want to avoid being captured? Was she famous?

[invisiblemimsy]

Well then...she wants to chanflge features so that her husband won't be able to recognize her after the operations right? Now we need to figure out the reason why correct? No but very much OTRT

Safety reasons? No To protect someone? No A purely aesthetic reason? Yope Like she was not comfortable with her appearence Yes but she knew that the husband won't love her again after she changed the appearence? No Did she want to avoid to be identified? no If so by the husband? no but OTRT Was she escaping from someone? Did she want to break the bridges with her past life? No but OTRT Did she want to avoid being captured? Was she famous? No to the rest

Good questions!

[Earnest]

Did she want to find out her true origins? Relevant where she was from? Was she from Asia?

[invisiblemimsy]

Did she want to find out her true origins? Relevant where she was from? Was she from Asia? No, BUWT

[Earnest]

She was not comfortable with her appearence = she found herself ugly? Was she in danger? Was she recognizable at a first glance? Because of her past features? Did she have some specific and quite unique features? She was very tall? She had recovered after a long disease? She thought to be followed by someone? She wanted to make a point? To be part of a group? To be accepted in a group?

Relevant the reason why she could not go back to her husband after the operation? Just because he would not have recognised her? Because leaving him was the only way to do somwthing? To follow her dream/passion? To fight against something/someone? Racism relevant? Color of skin?

[invisiblemimsy]

She was not comfortable with her appearence = Correct she found herself ugly? Yesish Was she in danger? No Was she recognizable at a first glance? No Because of her past features? Yes Did she have some specific and quite unique features? Yope She was very tall? No She had recovered after a long disease? Yope She thought to be followed by someone? Yesish She wanted to make a point? To be part of a group? To be accepted in a group? No to these

Relevant the reason why she could not go back to her husband after the operation? Yesish Just because he would not have recognised her? No Because leaving him was the only way to do somwthing? Yes To follow her dream/passion? Yope To fight against something/someone? Racism relevant? Color of skin? No to these

[GalFisk]

Fraud relevant? Other crime? Was she famous? Infamous? Did she want to live in secrecy? Did someone want to cause her trouble?

[invisiblemimsy]

Fraud relevant? Other crime? Was she famous? Infamous? No to these Did she want to live in secrecy? No, although... Did someone want to cause her trouble? No, although...

[GalFisk]

Did someone else want her to do what she did? Was she coerced? Tricked?

[invisiblemimsy]

Did someone else want her to do what she did? I'm not sure what you mean by 'do what she did' - can you specify? Was she coerced? No Tricked? No

[GalFisk]

Did someone else want her to have the operation? To leave her husband? Did she have the operation in order to look like someone else?

[invisiblemimsy]

Did someone else want her to have the operation? Yesish To leave her husband? No Did she have the operation in order to look like someone else? No, although...

[GalFisk]

Did she end up looking as someone else anyway? Did she relevantly enter into a relationship with someone other than her husband? Did the husband want her to have the operation? Do we need to know more about the doctor(s) performing the operation?

[invisiblemimsy]

Did she end up looking as someone else anyway? Yes Did she relevantly enter into a relationship with someone other than her husband? No Did the husband want her to have the operation? Yesish Do we need to know more about the doctor(s) performing the operation? No

[Earnest]

Did she make a vreas implantation? Recobstructive surgery relevant? Reconstructory surgery failed?
Did she want to have stronger legs?

[invisiblemimsy]

Did she make a vreas implantation? If you mean 'breast',
then yes. Recobstructive surgery relevant? No Reconstructory surgery failed? So no
Did she want to have stronger legs? not stronger, but...

[Earnest]

More robust? Like the thai fighters?

[invisiblemimsy]

More robust? Like the thai fighters? No, not at all!

[GalFisk]

Did she want more slender legs? Did she end up looking like someone famous? Someone fictional? Was any part of the operation a failure?

[invisiblemimsy]

Did she want more slender legs? Yes Did she end up looking like someone famous? Someone fictional? Was any part of the operation a failure?No to these

[Enjay]

Was her aim in the surgery generally to make herself more attractive? To make herself unrecognisable to someone?

Did she end up looking like someone the husband knew? Had met? Did the surgeons intend to make her look like that person? To hide/go undercover?

Did the wife know before the operation what she would come out looking like? Did the husband?

[invisiblemimsy]

Was her aim in the surgery generally to make herself more attractive? Yes To make herself unrecognisable to someone? No
but...

Did she end up looking like someone the husband knew? Had met? Did the surgeons intend to make her look like that person? No to these, BUWT To hide/go undercover? Noish

Did the wife know before the operation what she would come out looking like? Yope Did the husband? No

[Enjay]

So just to make sure I've understood...

The woman wanted to have surgery to make herself more attractive? Did she have any other motivation? Did she have a specific reason for wanting to be more attractive? Did she specify exactly what changes she wanted the surgeons to make?

And she ended up looking like someone else? A real person, but not a famous person? Did the wife know the person she looked like? Did anyone intend that the wife end up looking like this person?

[invisiblemimsy]

So just to make sure I've understood...

The woman wanted to have surgery to make herself more attractive? Yes Did she have any other motivation? Yes, OTRT Did she have a specific reason for wanting to be more attractive? No Did she specify exactly what changes she wanted the surgeons to make? Yes

And she ended up looking like someone else? Yesish A real person, but not a famous person? No Did the wife know the person she looked like? No, FA Did anyone intend that the wife end up looking like this person? Same FA

[Earnest]

Other motivation = related to her being more attractive? Did she want to be notoced by soneone? To become an actress? A model? To respect some parameters in order to play a role (e.g. she want to have a certain size in order to become a model...)?

[invisiblemimsy]

Other motivation = related to her being more attractive? Yes Did she want to be notoced by soneone? To become an actress? A model? To respect some parameters in order to play a role (e.g. she want to have a certain size in order to become a model...)? no to the rest

[Earnest]

Ok...other motivation...so was it the first time she had that type of operations? If kot, did she want to have the Guinness world record of aesthetic surgery operations taken in one uniue operation? Ahahah joking...
Was she amish and so once she had done such operations she was forced to leave the community where she came from and hence her husband? Is it something like that? Was it considered in a bad way to undertake aesthetic operations from where she came from and hence, even though the husband approved the choice of the wife he was forced to let her go?

[invisiblemimsy]

Ok...other motivation...so was it the first time she had that type of operations? No If kot, did she want to have the Guinness world record of aesthetic surgery operations taken in one uniue operation? No, but very slightly OTRT Ahahah joking...
Was she amish and so once she had done such operations she was forced to leave the community where she came from and hence her husband? no Is it something like that? no Was it considered in a bad way to undertake aesthetic operations from where she came from and hence, even though the husband approved the choice of the wife he was forced to let her go? No, these are all BUWT

[Earnest]

So...was her aim reached once she looked different aesthetically? Once she had done the operations? While she was doing the operations?

Did she want to appear in some TV show? Is the other motivation a direct consequence of her being more attractive? Of everyone being more attractive? Relevant that it was not the first time she had those kind of operations? If so did she operate in the past to reach the same aim? Is the "use of her body" relevant to reach her aim? Is her aim reached once she looked more attractive than before operations or once she looked different from before? Did she want to try again domething that could be tried just once for any people?

[invisiblemimsy]

So...was her aim reached once she looked different aesthetically? Yope Once she had done the operations? Yope While she was doing the operations? Yes

Did she want to appear in some TV show? No Is the other motivation a direct consequence of her being more attractive? Yesish Of everyone being more attractive? No Relevant that it was not the first time she had those kind of operations? Yes If so did she operate in the past to reach the same aim? Yes Is the "use of her body" relevant to reach her aim? Yes Is her aim reached once she looked more attractive than before operations Not so much this or once she looked different from before? Partly this, but something else as well Did she want to try again domething that could be tried just once for any people?Yes

[Earnest]

Is quantity of botulin in body relevant? More operations made twice at the same time? Did she need to be operated to cancel out something happened in previous operations(operations in the past)?

[invisiblemimsy]

Is quantity of botulin in body relevant? More operations made twice at the same time? Did she need to be operated to cancel out something happened in previous operations(operations in the past)? All possible but irrel

[Earnest]

So she reached her aim while doing all operations together right? Is operations her aim? Is the way in which operations are made a part from the fact that they are done at the same time, relevant? If so was her aim to do as many operations as possible in different part of her body with the motivation of achieving some record? With the motivation of winning something? Of making a point about the possibility of doing something? Relevant how much time before she had made the other operations? Years before? Months before? Days before?

Is her aim to confuse someone? To appear younger than she really is? To be admitted somewhere? To be chosen for something? To be noticed by someone? That newspapers talk about her?

[invisiblemimsy]

So she reached her aim while doing all operations together right? She had some operations singly and some together, not all at the same time Is operations her aim? Yes Is the way in which operations are made not sure what you mean by this? a part from the fact that they are done at the same time, relevant? Not all together If so was her aim to do as many operations as possible in different part of her body Yes with the motivation of achieving some record? no With the motivation of winning something? no Of making a point about the possibility of doing something? no Relevant how much time before she had made the other operations? Years before? possibly this Months before? and this Days before? no

Is her aim to confuse someone? no but exploreTo appear younger than she really is? partly this To be admitted somewhere? To be chosen for something? To be noticed by someone? That newspapers talk about her? no to these

[GalFisk]

So her goal is to look different and younger, correct? Does she end up looking like someone related to her? Does the husband think she looks like someone he would not be comfortable having a romantic or sexual relationship with? Such as his daughter? Do they have kids? Does he? Relevant?

[invisiblemimsy]

So her goal is to look different and younger, correct? Yes Does she end up looking like someone related to her? No Does the husband think she looks like someone he would not be comfortable having a romantic or sexual relationship with? No, but OTRT Such as his daughter? Do they have kids? Does he? No to all Relevant? No

[Earnest]

Were some male hormones put in her body? Did she end up looking much younger than the husband? Relevant how old is she? More than 60 years old? More than 50? Relevant how old is the husband? More than 60? More than 50?

[GalFisk]

Is the opinion of the husband relevant to the divorce? The opinion of herself? Of someone else?

[invisiblemimsy]

Were some male hormones put in her body? No Did she end up looking much younger than the husband? For context, she would have ended up looking younger than she did before, but something else is relevant here Relevant how old is she? More than 60 years old? More than 50? probably 30's but irrel Relevant how old is the husband? More than 60? More than 50? Irrel, maybe 10 years older than her for context

[invisiblemimsy]

Is the opinion of the husband relevant to the divorce? We said above that it was irrel whether they got divorced or not, just that she will leave/left him. His opinion is largely irrel anyway, although... The opinion of herself? yope Of someone else? No

[GalFisk]

Her opinion of him relevant? Of their relationship? Of the person she now looks like? Does she end up looking like someone she knows? Someone he knows?

[invisiblemimsy]

Her opinion of him relevant? Yes Of their relationship? Yes Of the person she now looks like? Yes Does she end up looking like someone she knows? No Someone he knows? No

Good questions!

[GalFisk]

Does she like the person she now looks like? Does she dislike him for liking the person she now looks like? Does she dislike thst she looks like that person?

[invisiblemimsy]

Does she like the person she now looks like? Up to a point,
yes Does she dislike him for liking the person she now looks like? No or irrel Does she dislike thst she looks like that person? Not sure what you mean - isn't this a reword of your first Q?

[GalFisk]

Is she unhappy with the fact that she now looks like this other person? Did anyone relevantly mistake her as this person? Did she ever relevantly pose as this person?

[invisiblemimsy]

Is she unhappy with the fact that she now looks like this other person? Did anyone relevantly mistake her as this person? Did she ever relevantly pose as this person?All No and FA

[GalFisk]

Does she know she looks like this person? Is this person a real, living person? Someone who has died?

[invisiblemimsy]

Does she know she looks like this person? Is this person a real, living person? Someone who has died? FA, BUWT

[Earnest]

Opinion about their realtion = negative opinion positive opinion? Did she suspect that he was betraying her with another person? Did she told him that the operation was a routinary one when instead she looked like the one with which he was betraying her?

[invisiblemimsy]

Opinion about their realtion = negative opinion positive opinion? Sorry don't understand the question Earnest, can you reword pls?Did she suspect that he was betraying her with another person? No and irrelDid she told him that the operation was a routinary one No when instead she looked like the one with which he was betraying her?
No and FA

[GalFisk]

Did her opinion of the relationship change because she looked younger? Because she looked different? Because she looked like someone else? Because something the husband said? Or did? Relevant who paid for the operations? Did anyone relevantly not recognize her after the operation? Relevantly recognize her? Are any aspects of her besides her looks relevant? If so: personality? Voice? Mannerisms? Habits? Profession? Personal life? Social standing?

[invisiblemimsy]

Did her opinion of the relationship change because she looked younger? No Because she looked different? yope Because she looked like someone else? noBecause something the husband said? no Or did? no Relevant who paid for the operations? he did but irrel Did anyone relevantly not recognize her after the operation? yes! Relevantly recognize her? no Are any aspects of her besides her looks relevant? yes If so: personality? yes, slight ish Voice? Mannerisms? Habits? Profession? Personal life? Social standing?no to the rest

[GalFisk]

Did her husband not recognize her? Personality-ish: likes? Dislikes? Interests? Friendships? Skills?

[invisiblemimsy]

Did her husband not recognize her? Exactly! Personality-ish: likes? Yhis is nearest but still ish Dislikes? Interests? Friendships? Skills?No to the rest

[Enjay]

Did the husband interact with her not realising she was his wife? Did he say something mean about his wife to her? Did he try and hit on her?

[invisiblemimsy]

Did the husband interact with her not realising she was his wife? No but OTRT Did he say something mean about his wife to her? No Did he try and hit on her? No

[GalFisk]

Likes-ish: preferences? Tradition? Something she has expressed in the past? Object(s)? Activity/ies? Vocabulary relevant? Photos of her before relevant? After?

[invisiblemimsy]

Likes-ish: preferences? Tradition? Something she has expressed in the past? Object(s)? Activity/ies? Vocabulary relevant? Photos of her before relevant? After?
None of these

I think there's some confusion with your earlier Q's and my A's Galfisk...
"Personality-ish: likes? Yhis is nearest but still ish"

To clarify, I'm talking about her, not him. There's something about her, to do with her personality and her likes, but those two words aren't the correct words, hence the -ish.
Clue: It's connected to what she's experienced.

[invisiblemimsy]

***********UPDATE************

What you’ve established so far:

1. She wasn't comfortable with her appearance and wanted to look younger and more attractive. Doctors broke her healthy legs in a operation to make them more slender; she had also had operations on her face, bust, bottom, teeth and more. Her husband was fine about her having the operations. (Fwiw, her legs were the last operation she had and had the longest recovery period).

2. Once recovered, she left him forever of her own free will, even though they were happy together, and partly as a consequence of the operations. She couldn’t go back to her husband because leaving him was the only way to do something. (WHAT?) Her looks had changed so much that her husband did not recognise her. He did not interact with her at all.

3. Besides improving her appearance, she got another ‘benefit’ from continuing to have more operations. The benefit was relevant during the recovery periods, and also later on. You need to find out WHAT that benefit is. Aspects of her - besides her looks - are relevant, including something to do - ISH - with her personality and her likes (but those two words aren’t the correct words, hence the -ish). It’s connected to what she’s experienced.

Once you’ve worked that out, you should be able to get why she left her husband.

Bon voyage!

[GalFisk]

Leaving him was the only way to do: a job? A career? Live somewhere relevant? Interact with someone relevant?
Have a relevant type of interactiin with someone? Something she would do after recovery? During? Could she not do this if she was married at all? If she was married to this husband? Did she take the operations in order to be able to do this? If not for the operations, would it be possible for her to do this?

[invisiblemimsy]

Leaving him was the only way to do: a job? A career? Live somewhere relevant? Interact with someone relevant? None of these
Have a relevant type of interactiin with someone? No Something she would do after recovery? During? Yes to both Could she not do this if she was married at all? If she was married to this husband? Not staying married to her husband was an effective way to achieve this Did she take the operations in order to be able to do this? Not the first one, otherwise yes If not for the operations, would it be possible for her to do this? Yes, although the operations were a particularly effective method

[Earnest]

Did she want to avoid to be seen near his husband with that aspect? Did she want to look like someone in particular? Someone he knew? Someoene she knew? A human being? A human being wuoth some particular characteristic? The charachter of a movie? The evil of a movie? Of a cartoon? An imaginary charachter? Crudelia demon (ok just randomly saying names)?

Were operations the most effective way to reach the result mostly because they change her appearence? Mostly because they gave her the opportunity to ask for a recovery period?
Is the aim she wanted to reach mainly related to her appearence? If so, mainly her face? Mainly her body? Both with an equal weight? Would her aim be reached even if in the recovery period nobody but doctors or nobody at all was able to see her? Same question for the period after the recovery period.
Did she want to avoid to go back to his husband so that it was simpler to abandon him?
WAG --> Were them a famous couple always with paparazzi on them? She was no more able to suffer the situation so she decided to have operations so to look like a normal person. In order not to be recognised she also decided not to see her husband again.

[invisiblemimsy]

Did she want to avoid to be seen near his husband with that aspect? Did she want to look like someone in particular? Someone he knew? Someoene she knew? A human being? A human being wuoth some particular characteristic? The charachter of a movie? The evil of a movie? Of a cartoon? An imaginary charachter? Crudelia demon (ok just randomly saying names)? No, nothing like any of these.

Were operations the most effective way to reach the result mostly because they change her appearence? Changing her appearance was her intention initially, and they achieved that result, so yes Mostly because they gave her the opportunity to ask for a recovery period? Not really, and the recovery period happened anyway. But the recovery period was relevant
Is the aim she wanted to reach mainly related to her appearence? Her original aim was, yes If so, mainly her face? Mainly her body? Both with an equal weight? yes Would her aim be reached even if in the recovery period nobody but doctors or nobody at all was able to see her? Apart from the Drs, nobody saw her in the recovery period anyway. Same question for the period after the recovery period. It's relevant that her husband didn't see her during the recovery periods.
Did she want to avoid to go back to his husband so that it was simpler to abandon him? No, she had no intention of abandoning him.
WAG --> Were them a famous couple always with paparazzi on them? She was no more able to suffer the situation so she decided to have operations so to look like a normal person. In order not to be recognised she also decided not to see her husband again. No.

[Earnest]

Did she take the decision not to see her husband anymore during the recocery period? Was she able to see herself during the recovery period? Did she look like she originally wanted to? Was any sort of embarassement relevant here? Was she blind? Did she want to commit suicide?

So we can say that she achieved her aim also in the recovery period right? Not staying with her husband would help her = not having a generic relationship would have helped her or not staying with specifically that man would have helped her? Because she needed to be alone? Not to be bind by a stable relation? Would the puzzle work even though the two were not married? Is to gain money? To have a divorce? Legal consequences relevant?

[invisiblemimsy]

Did she take the decision not to see her husband anymore during the recocery period? Mostly irrel - assume during her treatments she was simply too far away to see him Was she able to see herself during the recovery period? Yes Did she look like she originally wanted to? Yes Was any sort of embarassement relevant here? Was she blind? Did she want to commit suicide? no to these

So we can say that she achieved her aim also in the recovery period right? Recovery periods plural, yes Not staying with her husband would help her This is closest, but "help" is not the right word = not having a generic relationship would have helped her No or irrel or not staying with specifically that man would have helped her? The character of the man who was her husband is irrel Because she needed to be alone? Not completely alone, no, just to leave her husband Not to be bind by a stable relation? No Would the puzzle work even though the two were not married? Yes, if they had been an unmarried couple in love for a long time it would still work Is to gain money? To have a divorce? Legal consequences relevant? no to these

[Earnest]

Relevant how many time occurred from a recovery period to another? Years? Months? Days?

Other men relevant? During the recovery periods can we assume that she was on a bed not doing anything except recovering? Did she change her appearance also in order to fit somewhere? Relevant which was her first operation? If so list of her operations.
Dis she make the operations always in the same place? With the same doctors? Did she radically changed her appearence more than one time in her life? Was her about to win a prize for that? Is being married a damage for her image? For the image of herself she wanted to give? Because now she looks much younger? Did the husband relevantly look for her even though he would not recognise her? Did she want him to look for her?
Did they talk again to each other without seeing each other anymore?(e.g. via mail) Did they carry on their relationship? Was she physically distant from her husband for all her life? Did she change her surname? Is some aspect of "having a long term relationship with a man" contrasting with her aim? If so the fact of living together? The fact of sharing sonething? The fact of being in love per se? Her role as a wife?

Had the husband performed similar operations? Was her physical conditoons before and after operations relevant(diseases/syamese twins?)?
Did someone else assumed her appearence? Like a face transplant?

[invisiblemimsy]

Relevant how many time occurred from a recovery period to another? Years? Months? Days? Not really, you can assume weeks or months

Other men relevant? No During the recovery periods can we assume that she was on a bed not doing anything except recovering? Yes, or walking about the hospital etc, whatever Did she change her appearance also in order to fit somewhere? No Relevant which was her first operation? No If so list of her operations. I think we did further up, they were all cosmetic ops
Dis she make the operations always in the same place? Yes With the same doctors? Yes Did she radically changed her appearence more than one time in her life? No, just this series of operations Was her about to win a prize for that? Is being married a damage for her image? For the image of herself she wanted to give? No to these Because now she looks much younger? Irrel Did the husband relevantly look for her even though he would not recognise her? Yes! Did she want him to look for her? Yes at first
Did they talk again to each other without seeing each other anymore?(e.g. via mail) No Did they carry on their relationship? No Was she physically distant from her husband for all her life? No, the opposite Did she change her surname? No or irrel Is some aspect of "having a long term relationship with a man" contrasting with her aim? If so the fact of living together? The fact of sharing sonething? The fact of being in love per se? Her role as a wife? None of these are relevant

Had the husband performed similar operations? Was her physical conditoons before and after operations relevant(diseases/syamese twins?)?
Did someone else assumed her appearence? Like a face transplant? No to all

[Earnest]

Did she want to test the loyalty of her husband? (E.g. she attempted to approach him and try to attract him in order to see if he would be attracted by a younger woman not knowing that it was her?)

[invisiblemimsy]

Did she want to test the loyalty of her husband? (E.g. she attempted to approach him and try to attract him in order to see if he would be attracted by a younger woman not knowing that it was her?)
no

[Earnest]

"Did she want him to look for her? Yes at first" --> then she revealed herself? She did not want him to look for her? She escaped?

Relevant which actions he made in order to look for her? Recognise her? If so, in performing those actions did he take for granted that she wanted to return with him? I mean...he did not set billboards with her image right? It would have been counterproductive, correct? Did he know about the radical change of her wife or did he just know about the first operation? Did he met her not recognising her? If so did she take the decision not to reveal herself after having heared sonething he said/having talked with him?

Did he wait for her at the airport/train station?

[invisiblemimsy]

"Did she want him to look for her? Possibly at first but irrel then she revealed herself? No She did not want him to look for her? He looked at her and did not recognise her. It's irrel whether she wanted him to look at her She escaped? Yes! "Escaped" is too strong a word though; she realised he didn't recognise her, so she just walked past him and left.

Relevant which actions he made in order to look for her? Recognise her? Yes,
he looked out for her at the airport If so, in performing those actions did he take for granted that she wanted to return with him? Yes I mean...he did not set billboards with her image right? No It would have been counterproductive, correct? Yes Did he know about the radical change of her wife or did he just know about the first operation? He knew about all of the ops, but not how different she would look Did he met her not recognising her? No, they didn't meet ,
she walked past If so did she take the decision not to reveal herself Yes after having heared sonething he said/having talked with him?No

Did he wait for her at the airport/train station? Yes, airport

Good questions!
Just one more thing to establish now. See below.

[invisiblemimsy]

The one thing you still need to establish is:

"Besides improving her appearance, she got another ‘benefit’ from continuing to have more operations. The benefit was relevant during the recovery periods, and also later on. You need to find out WHAT that benefit is. Aspects of her - besides her looks - are relevant, including something to do - ISH - with her personality and her likes (but those two words aren’t the correct words, hence the -ish). It’s connected to what she’s experienced. Once you’ve worked that out, you should be able to get why she left her husband."

[Earnest]

Is the benefit to stay distant from the husband for an higher amount of time? Did she expect that benefit at first? Did she realize that benefit after the first operation? After all the operations? After some operations? Did the benefit allow her to abandon her husband? Or did she realize that she could abandon him because she had that benefit? Does the benefit include any of the doctors? The amount of operations she had?

Did she change the color of her skin? Her eyes? Did she belong to a particular religion? To a particular culture? Need of independency relevant? Was the benefit a direct consequence of the many operations? An indirect one? Involving the attitude of the others toward her? (E.g. everybody was more respectful...) Scarves deriving by operations relevant? Was it a temporary benefit? A permanent one? Related to her appearence? Related to the clothes she could wear? Related to another issue that doctors solved while performing other operations and that allowed her to face the choice of ataying with her husband or leave?

Is it something like she did not love her husband even though they were happy together, but she was forced to stay with him because she was pregnant? And then among the many operations or she did not told anything to the doctors or she asked the doctors to miscarry? Or she became sterile after the series if operations?

[invisiblemimsy]

Is the benefit to stay distant from the husband for an higher amount of time? Not really Did she expect that benefit at first? No Did she realize that benefit after the first operation? A little After all the operations? After some operations? Increasingly so after each operation Did the benefit allow her to abandon her husband? I would say 'cause' rather than allow, but yes Or did she realize that she could abandon him because she had that benefit? Yesish Does the benefit include any of the doctors? No The amount of operations she had? Not directly although she wanted more

Did she change the color of her skin? Her eyes? The exact operations are irrel Did she belong to a particular religion? To a particular culture? Need of independency relevant? No or irrel Was the benefit a direct consequence of the many operations? An indirect one? Probably more indirect, DOYD Involving the attitude of the others toward her? (E.g. everybody was more respectful...) No Scarves deriving by operations relevant? No Was it a temporary benefit? Yes A permanent one? Not permanent but it could be repeated Related to her appearence? Related to the clothes she could wear? Related to another issue that doctors solved while performing other operations and that allowed her to face the choice of ataying with her husband or leave? No to all

Is it something like she did not love her husband even though they were happy together, but she was forced to stay with him because she was pregnant? And then among the many operations or she did not told anything to the doctors or she asked the doctors to miscarry? Or she became sterile after the series if operations? No to all, BUWT

[Earnest]

Benefit = something that should be taken after each operation ? (E.g. pills...)...possibility of having something for free? Advantages given from the fact of having been operated recently? Temporary = it lasts for the recovery period? It lasts more than one year? One day? Two months?

[invisiblemimsy]

Benefit = something that should be taken after each operation ? (E.g. pills...)...possibility of having something for free? No Advantages given from the fact of having been operated recently? Yes Temporary = it lasts for the recovery period? Yes It lasts more than one year? One day? Two months? It would vary according to the severity/type of operation, and how long the recovery took. It was not something she was given, more something she experienced. Anything between a week and several months.

[Earnest]

Ok...so...step by step...first of all after each recovery period she had to wait distant from her husband until her recovery right? And this amount of time varies depending on the type of operations she had to make right? Is it relevant that she had to be distant fron her husband? Is it relevant wheather she had taken airplanes many times to operate? Did she realize that her dream was to fly? Did she become expert in something?
Was the benefit a gain in her expertise?

Does she increasingly recognize the benefit after each operation because: strictly because of the number of operations? (e.g. the benefit is higher at the 5th operation w.r.t the 4th?...) Does the benefit manifest as soon as she exited from the operating room and ended as soon as she had recovered? Does it deal with tolerance of pain?
Difference between physical and mental pain relevant? The fact that she would have suffered abandoning her husband? The fact of getting used to small changes in her body each time? Did the benefit manifest in a particular moment of the recovery? Each time the bandages were taken away? See herself in the mirror relevant?

Is the benefit that being she radically changed she would not have suffered by going away from her husband because she would not have seen him suffering and call her back? The only thing is ...why did she go away...it deals with a dream of her right? Is it a common dream that anyone has? A dream that would have brought her from a place to another in the world? On the moon? Travel a lot? Radically change periodically? Becoming famous?

[invisiblemimsy]

Ok...so...step by step...first of all after each recovery period she had to wait distant from her husband until her recovery right? Yes, but... And this amount of time varies depending on the type of operations she had to make right? Yope Is it relevant that she had to be distant fron her husband? Yes Is it relevant wheather she had taken airplanes many times to operate? Not really... she took one flight at the beginning and one at the end of ALL the operations Did she realize that her dream was to fly? No Did she become expert in something? Yope
Was the benefit a gain in her expertise? No

Does she increasingly recognize the benefit after each operation because: strictly because of the number of operations? (e.g. the benefit is higher at the 5th operation w.r.t the 4th?...) No Does the benefit manifest as soon as she exited from the operating room and ended as soon as she had recovered? Yes Does it deal with tolerance of pain? YES!
Difference between physical and mental pain relevant? Both are relevant The fact that she would have suffered abandoning her husband? YES The fact of getting used to small changes in her body each time? No Did the benefit manifest in a particular moment of the recovery? Yes, as above, as soon as each operation is done Each time the bandages were taken away? No See herself in the mirror relevant? No

Is the benefit that being she radically changed she would not have suffered by going away from her husband She DID suffer because she would not have seen him suffering and call her back? No The only thing is ...why did she go away...it deals with a dream of her right? Yes, you already know she wanted surgery Is it a common dream that anyone has? some people do A dream that would have brought her from a place to another in the world? It did do this, but mostly irrelOn the moon? Travel a lot? Radically change periodically? Becoming famous? No to these

So...
She stayed away from her husband for the complete series of operations
The 'benefit' is her effect to do with pain
Both physical and mental pain are relevant

[Earnest]

I feel like the answer is close but I'm not reaching...so...
after each operation she got used to both physical (recovery to operations) and mental pain (staying distant from her husband) right? So when abandoning the husband she did suffer...the only thing that comes up in my mind is the following: because pain is something useful for human being she wanted to test wheather she was capable to suffer again or if she had become a robot. Or on the contrary, she wanted to get used to all possible pains so she decided to abandon the husband so to get used also to this type of pain.

Is crying relevant? Was she able to cry?

[invisiblemimsy]

I feel like the answer is close but I'm not reaching...so...
after each operation she got used to both physical (recovery to operations) and mental pain (staying distant from her husband) right? Yes So when abandoning the husband she did suffer... Yes the only thing that comes up in my mind is the following: because pain is something useful for human being she wanted to test wheather she was capable to suffer again or if she had become a robot. No Or on the contrary, she wanted to get used to all possible pains so she decided to abandon the husband so to get used also to this type of pain. YES

Is crying relevant? Was she able to cry? Irrel

You are pretty much there, Earnest. So here is the

******************$POILER*****************

$POILER

She has plastic surgery to improve her looks, something small. Her husband is happy to pay for it. A while later she has another cosmetic procedure… She gets addicted to having surgery, which is quite common I believe. The anticipation, the planning, the result, and she even starts getting addicted to the pain, while at the same time struggling with it. It fulfils some kind of need in her.

Eventually she wants a complete body makeover and she moves to the best private hospital in the world,. Her husband can’t visit because of the distance and his work. She has a lot of operations; the last one is to have her legs broken and re-set. This is the most painful and has the longest recovery period. By this time she is completely addicted to extreme pain. She finally leaves the hospital and flies back to her husband. As she approaches him in the airport, she realises that he doesn’t recognise her. She walks past him and keeps walking, experiencing the most devastating pain she has ever felt.

WELL DONE EARNEST AND TO EVERYONE WHO PLAYED
With hindsight, this was far too complex - I must make them simpler in future!

[Earnest]

Thanks to you! No this level of complexity is good! I'm talking to myself but sometimes it happens that you get stucked in a puzzle not figuring out a solution which might be simpler if looked from the perspective of someoene who is not so involved in the puzzle!

[invisiblemimsy]

OK then!