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[JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting III: Ewe Win

Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:25 pm

"Cavalry!"
"Guns!"
"Sheep."
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting III: Ewe Win

Postby Earnest » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:07 pm

Are those exclamations? Made by someone? Was something going on? Someone escaping by someone else? Cavalry = soldiers on horseback? Guns = real guns?
Far west relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:19 am

Are those exclamations? Not really. Made by someone? Yes. Was something going on? For SVV of "going on." Someone escaping by someone else? No. Cavalry = soldiers on horseback? Guns = real guns? Yope. Explore!
Far west relevant? As in "wild West?" No.
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:49 am

Is a game relevant? If so: computer/tv/phone? Board? Card? Word game? Children's game? Are the three things said by three persons?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:05 am

Does it depict an old war? Is it in modern times? Are the guns used safely? Are them modern guns? Old guns? Do the soldiers on the horseback did really the soldiers as a profession?

Is it a meaningful conversation between two people? Three? More? Are them told by 3 different people by the same person? Relevant?
Are soldiers equipped by the gubs of the second sentence? Or is it referred to guns in general? Again sheep = real sheep? In a picture? Sheep as an offense? Are the 3 things (cavalry, gubs, sheep) told immediately one after the other? After seconds? Minutes? Hours? Relevant? If there was a time window, was it due to the fact that the three (cavalry guns and sheep) were visible in 3 different times?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting III: Ewe Win

Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:29 pm

Is a game relevant? In a sense. If so: computer/tv/phone? Board? Card? Word game? Children's game? None of these, though. Are the three things said by three persons? Yes.

Does it depict an old war? Is it in modern times? It occurred in the early 1900s, though not in wartime. Are the guns used safely? Are them modern guns? They would be. Old guns? Do the soldiers on the horseback did really the soldiers as a profession? They would be.

Is it a meaningful conversation between two people? Three? This. More? Are them told by 3 different people by the same person? Relevant? They are the only three in the conversation.
Are soldiers equipped by the guns of the second sentence? No. Or is it referred to guns in general? It's a period term for cannon. Again sheep = real sheep? Yes. In a picture? Sheep as an offense? Are the 3 things (cavalry, guns, sheep) told immediately one after the other? After seconds? This. Minutes? Hours? Relevant? Yes. If there was a time window, was it due to the fact that the three (cavalry guns and sheep) were visible in 3 different times? No.
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:07 pm

Are they competing? If so, do the sheep win? Is anyone else relevantly listening? Is any action done as a response to the words spoken? Are they saying what they see?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:32 pm

Are they competing? DOYD. If so, do the sheep win? No. Is anyone else relevantly listening? No. Is any action done as a response to the words spoken? No, but afterwards there is a relevant action. Are they saying what they see? Yes.
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Postby Earnest » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:59 pm

...basing on previous puzzles...are they saying what they see and then the winner is the one who sees more distant things? Nearer things?

Is it relevant the fact that cabalry and guns are related with soldiers and military stuffs while sheep don't? Is the one saying "Sheep" revealed that he was able to see sheep while others are not? Is it relevant that he spoke as last? Were the others able to see cavalry? Guns? Sheep?
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:56 pm

Are they imagining things? Like saying what different clouds look like? Is the sheep answer different from the others? Funnier? Duller?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:30 am

...basing on previous puzzles...are they saying what they see and then the winner is the one who sees more distant things? Nearer things? It is quite similar to the first puzzle, but they are not competing over who can see a greater distance.

Is it relevant the fact that cavalry and guns are related with soldiers and military stuffs while sheep don't? Mildly. Is the one saying "Sheep" revealed that he was able to see sheep while others are not? Not precisely. Or, perhaps, Yope. Is it relevant that he spoke as last? No. Were the others able to see cavalry? Guns? Sheep? Again, not precisely.

Are they imagining things? No. Like saying what different clouds look like? No. Is the sheep answer different from the others? Funnier? Duller? Both of these, arguably, though not intended as such.
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Postby Earnest » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:57 am

Relevant action afterwards: toast? Some gesture that they made all together? All together with other people? Did someone spoke after them? Were they heared by someone else? So...was the one speaking at a specific time able to see what he was saying? (E.g. who said guns saw guns?) Did they answer to a question like "what do you see in the picture?"? Were they trying to figure out what something was? Did they see an image? Were they physically present in the same space and time of the things they are saying (cavalry, sheep and guns)?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:19 pm

Relevant action afterwards: toast? Some gesture that they made all together? Assume this. All together with other people? Irr. Did someone spoke after them? No. Were they heared by someone else? Irr. So...was the one speaking at a specific time able to see what he was saying? (E.g. who said guns saw guns?) Yope. Did they answer to a question like "what do you see in the picture?"? OTRT. Were they trying to figure out what something was? Yes! Did they see an image? No. Were they physically present in the same space and time of the things they are saying (cavalry, sheep and guns)? Yes.
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Postby Earnest » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:56 am

Was the thing they tried to figure out ambiguous? If so was ambiguity given by distance? Movemet? (They were on a train or on a mean of transport or on the opposite the thing was moving) were they looking at clouds? And trying to interpret what they were?
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:59 am

Did they see an object? Several? Something blurry? Distant? Tiny? Partially hidden? Moving? Were any of the answers correct? Did the person saying "sheep" know the answer beforehand? Is sheep the correct answer? Was something made up to look like something else? Are they seeing a model? A piece of art?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:24 pm

Was the thing they tried to figure out ambiguous? Yes. If so was ambiguity given by distance? Yes. Movement? (They were on a train or on a mean of transport or on the opposite the thing was moving) No. were they looking at clouds? No. And trying to interpret what they were?

Did they see an object? Several? This. Something blurry? Yes. Distant? Yes. Tiny? Yes. Partially hidden? No. Moving? Yes. Were any of the answers correct? Yes. Did the person saying "sheep" know the answer beforehand? No. Is sheep the correct answer? Yes. Was something made up to look like something else? No. Are they seeing a model? A piece of art? No to both.
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:28 pm

Are they seeing a dust cloud? And guessing the origin? Are they at war?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:58 pm

Are they seeing a dust cloud? No. And guessing the origin? They are trying to guess what they're seeing. Are they at war? No, but irrelevant.
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Postby Earnest » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:24 pm

So they were looking at sheep from a certain distance right? And just one figured it out? What we need to discover = how he figured it out? Was it a flock with a pastor? Was there a dog? Was there sun? Reflections of light relevant? Did he deduce that the object were sheep by the white color? By the presence of a dog? By exclusion? Because he looked at the place where they were going? Because there was something nearer that suggested him the answer? Because actually he was the pastor? Because after the other two had spoken sonething relevant happened? Could they hear something from where they were? Relevant what they were dping? Were them soldiers? Hunter? Was he able to smell something unpleasant? (E.g. sheet of the sheep?)

Was the conformation of the countryside that suggested him that they were sheep?( E.g. they were in the middle of a forest in a grassland) is the fact that they werw moving relevant for him to guess that they were sheep?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:28 pm

So they were looking at sheep from a certain distance right? And just one figured it out? What we need to discover = how he figured it out? Yes to all. Was it a flock with a pastor? You mean a shepherd? Yes. Was there a dog? Irr. Was there sun? Irr. Reflections of light relevant? No. Did he deduce that the object were sheep by the white color? By the presence of a dog? By exclusion? Because he looked at the place where they were going? Because there was something nearer that suggested him the answer? Because actually he was the pastor? No to all these. Because after the other two had spoken something relevant happened? No, they saw the same thing he did but came to different conclusions. Could they hear something from where they were? No. Relevant what they were doing? Only in that it predisposed them to think they were seeing something military. Were them soldiers? This. Hunter? Was he able to smell something unpleasant? No. (E.g. sheet of the sheep?)
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Postby Earnest » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:39 am

Was him the only one with a telescope? Were the sheep alive? They move following something? In a specific direction? Were the soldiers on an airplane when they saw the sheep? On the ground? On a hill? On the plane? In a hole? Did he just guess that they were sheep or did he actually see them? Were the sheep getting closer to them? Relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:04 am

Was him the only one with a telescope? No. Were the sheep alive? Yes. They move following something? No. In a specific direction? No. Were the soldiers on an airplane when they saw the sheep? On the ground? This. On a hill? Most likely. On the plane? In a hole? Did he just guess that they were sheep or did he actually see them? He guessed, but he had a good reason for his guess. Were the sheep getting closer to them? Relevant? No.
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Postby Earnest » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:34 am

Did he make his guess mainly on the basis of: countrside around the flock? actions of shepherd? some peculiarity of the sheep? By the movement of the sheep? Did he shot against the flock / up in the air, or did he did any relevant action before guessing? Did the flock stay compact all the time or separate at a certain point? Relevant? If it separated did the shephered relevantly tried to make it compact again? Would the puzzle still work have them been cows? Were the soldiers alone while guessing? Were them on a horse? Relevant? Were they moving as well?
Was there a difference in the color of the ground in front of the sheep and behind them? Like they ate grass and there was a change in the colors of the countryside?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:19 pm

Did he make his guess mainly on the basis of: countryside around the flock? actions of shepherd? This. some peculiarity of the sheep? By the movement of the sheep? Did he shot against the flock / up in the air, or did he did any relevant action before guessing? No. Did the flock stay compact all the time or separate at a certain point? There were several flocks. Relevant? Yes. If it separated did the shepherd relevantly tried to make it compact again? Irr. Would the puzzle still work have them been cows? Possibly. Were the soldiers alone while guessing? Assume yes. Were them on a horse? Relevant? No. Were they moving as well? No.
Was there a difference in the color of the ground in front of the sheep and behind them? Like they ate grass and there was a change in the colors of the countryside? No.
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Postby Earnest » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:44 pm

Actions of the shephered = moving from a flock to the other? Staying still? Relevant his position w.r.t. the flocks? In between? Has he got a cane? Did the flock follow the shepherd? Or viceversa? There were several flocks and a single shepherd right? Are there dogs also? Relevant? Was the shepherd visible by the soldiers at a first glance? If not, Did he become visible?

Did the shepherd relevantly whistle? If so did something happened? Was the shepherd milking the sheep? Shaving them so that the white coat was left behind by sheep? Were the two flocks moving in the same direction? Relevant? Were the two flocks separeted following a criterion which was visible to the soldiers? E.g. black sheep and white sheep? Male and female?(which was not visible to the soldiers but for instance at a certain point female group went to the shephered to be milked)? Was the shepherd defending the flocks from other animals (wolves?)?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:29 pm

Actions of the shephered = moving from a flock to the other? Yes! Staying still? Relevant his position w.r.t. the flocks? In between? Has he got a cane? Did the flock follow the shepherd? Or viceversa? There were several flocks and a single shepherd right? Assume yes. Are there dogs also? Relevant? Was the shepherd visible by the soldiers at a first glance? If not, Did he become visible? Yes, by his movement.

Did the shepherd relevantly whistle? If so did something happened? Was the shepherd milking the sheep? Shaving them so that the white coat was left behind by sheep? Were the two flocks moving in the same direction? Relevant? Were the two flocks separeted following a criterion which was visible to the soldiers? E.g. black sheep and white sheep? Male and female?(which was not visible to the soldiers but for instance at a certain point female group went to the shephered to be milked)? Was the shepherd defending the flocks from other animals (wolves?)?

Nothing else is relevant. You're very close to solution.
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:56 pm

Did the shepherd move in a way a military man would not? Cover relevant? Visibility? Camouflage?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] Aids to Scouting III: Ewe Win

Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:19 pm

Did the shepherd move in a way a military man would not? Yes. Cover relevant? Visibility? This, mostly. Camouflage?

Think we're done with this one, so...



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"I won a bet once when riding with the staff at the Berkshire Maneouvres: It was a misty day and on a neighboring hill we saw four parties which one officer said were squadrons of cavalry, and another offered to bet were guns. For myself I saw one individual cross over from one party to the next, which made me willing to bet that they were sheep. An orderly was sent to see, and sheep they proved to be." -- Robert Baden-Powell
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