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[Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Balin » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:26 pm

Because Sam harassed Brandy, Marshall and James died while Brandy became rich. How?
All characters are H/A, Brandy is female while everyone else is male
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:27 am

Are their names relevant? Did Marshall and James die at the same time, by the same causes? Did they all know each other? Died = death, died on stage or other meaning? Present day?
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Earnest » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:03 am

Are both Brandy the same Brandy? Alcohol / cigarettes relevant here? Are there 4 people in total? Less? 2? 3?
Became rich = ended up woth more money than before San harassed her? If so did those money belong to one of the two who died? Becane richer = relevant what she gained? Houses? Prestige? She became famous? Gold? Silver? Diamonds? Cars? She had more goods in general?

Harassed = he verbally harassed her? He sexually harassed her? Was Sam used to harass Brandy or did it happened just once or twice? Did M and J died as a direct consequence of S harassing B? Were B and S related? Were them relatives? Was there a reason why S harassed B? Money? S want B to merry him? To have sexual relationships with him? To sign a document? Was S at the end succesful in his harassing? If so was it the reason of J and M's death?
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Balin » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:52 pm

Are their names relevant? Yes, actually, but some of those hints may distract from the actual puzzle Did Marshall and James die at the same time, by the same causes? No and No Did they all know each other? No. The most prominent relationship is between James and Brandy Died = death, died on stage or other meaning? Death as in life ended Present day? This comes from something written 25 or so years ago, but it still works in present day

Are both Brandy the same Brandy? Yes Alcohol / cigarettes relevant here? Yes/No Are there 4 people in total? Less? 2? 3? The only relevant people are these four and one group of people whom none of the four belong to
Became rich = ended up with more money than before Sam harassed her? Yes If so did those money belong to one of the two who died? No
Became richer = relevant what she gained? Yes Houses? Prestige? She became famous? Gold? Silver? Diamonds? Cars? Eventually this, but this wasn't what she immediately got. No to rest She had more goods in general?

Harassed = he verbally harassed her? No He sexually harassed her? Yes Was Sam used to harass Brandy or did it happened just once or twice? Once Did M and J died as a direct consequence of S harassing B? Indirectly Were B and S related? No Were them relatives? No
Was there a reason why S harassed B? Yes but not so relevant Money? S want B to merry him? To have sexual relationships with him? This, presumably To sign a document? Was S at the end successful in his harassing? He did not achieve his aim with the harassment If so was it the reason of J and M's death? Again, very indirectly
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Earnest » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:45 pm

Are movies and actresses involved? Relevant B's profession? S's profession?
Are M and J related to S or B? Relevant their job?

So S tried at least to harass B right? In trying did he or she relevantly do sonething like making confusion? Scream (e.g. scream help and alarm neighbourhood)? Did someone save S from being abused? Were J and M connected to the puzzle after B was harassed? Before? During? Did they die before? After? During? Did they die from an accudent? Were they shot? Natural causes? Did they commit suicide? In a war? Did B make money by telling her story? By winning against S in a lawsuit? By inherit money? By chance? Thanks to the fact that she was harassed by S? Was S relevantly rich? By stealing a password from S? By stealing money from S and threating him to tell the story to the police (maybe with a rec of the happening)? Were J and M in charge to protect B?

Relevant how S was able to attract B to harass her?
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Balin » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:22 pm

Are movies and actresses involved? No Relevant B's profession? Yes S's profession? No
Are M and J related to S or B? No Relevant their job? Yes, both

So S tried at least to harass B right? Yes In trying did he or she relevantly do sonething like making confusion? No Scream (e.g. scream help and alarm neighbourhood)? No Did someone save S from being abused? Yes (from being assaulted, I'll say)
Were J and M connected to the puzzle after B was harassed? Before? During? James during/after, Marshall after
Did they die before? After? This During?
Did they die from an accident? No Were they shot? Marshall was Natural causes? No Did they commit suicide? No In a war? No
Did B make money by telling her story? By winning against S in a lawsuit? By inherit money? By chance? Thanks to the fact that she was harassed by S? Was S relevantly rich? By stealing a password from S? By stealing money from S and threating him to tell the story to the police (maybe with a rec of the happening)? No to all of these
Were J and M in charge to protect B? No

Relevant how S was able to attract B to harass her? No
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Earnest » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:35 pm

Is the one of B a profession? A legal profession I mean... is she a streetwalker? Are J and M policemen?
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:15 pm

Mafia or similar involved? Some other gang thing? Musicians? Should I continue down this line? Did S achieve his aim by some means other than harassment? Should we explore? Marriage or family links relevant? Did B inherit cars or get them by some other method?
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Balin » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:24 am

Is the one of B a profession? A legal profession I mean... Yes, Brandy's profession is legal is she a streetwalker? No Are J and M policemen? Marshall is, James isn't

Mafia or similar involved? See next Some other gang thing? Yes, the group that none of the four are in can for simplicity be considered a gang Musicians? Not within the story Should I continue down this line? Absolutely!
Did S achieve his aim by some means other than harassment? He didn't achieve his aim at all Should we explore? This would be a helpful line also Marriage or family links relevant? No Did B inherit cars or get them by some other method? Some other method

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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Earnest » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:44 am

So summing up...B's job is relevant, Marshall, a policeman was shot. Right? To be sure...S harassed B physically right (I mean not through for instance sms/letters or similar)?

Did S try to assault B in the street? In a pub? In the workplace of B? In outside? In inside a building? Relevant? Was S drunk? Was J? Dis S try to assault her during night? During day? Was M passing by? Was him called by someone? Was J? Is J a client as well? Had J and B relations? Professional relations? Were they relatives? Husband and wife? Friends? Co-workers?

Were J or S clients of B? Did B work at a strip club? (And the members of the gang owned the strip club?) Was B perfectly able to defend herself (e.g. she was a karate athlete as a profession?)? Is B's one an ordinary job (e.g. white/pink/blue collar...?)? Is B a doctor? A model? Did she become rich because no witness was alive and the only one left had assaulted her? Did she become richer in one day after the happening? One year? Months? Because she had more clients? Because she gained more money through her job? She became richer through donations? Because of someone's death (if so J's death? M's?)? Did she ended up with more money in a legal way? Did the gang's members shot M? Because he tried to defend B? Just because he was a policeman? Territory defence relevant? A mistake (the member of the gang thought the police was there for them?)?
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:49 pm

Was this set during the prohibition?
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Balin » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:43 pm

So summing up...B's job is relevant, Marshall, a policeman was shot. Right? Yes To be sure...S harassed B physically right (I mean not through for instance sms/letters or similar)? Yes, physically

Did S try to assault B in the street? In a pub? This In the workplace of B? In outside? In inside a building? Relevant? Yes
Was S drunk? Yes Was J? Assume No
Dis S try to assault her during night? During day? Could be either, assume night
Was M passing by? FA Was him called by someone? No Was J? No Is J a client as well? "Customer" is a better word Had J and B relations? Yes Professional relations? Also Yes Were they relatives? No Husband and wife? No, but they were lovers Friends? See prev Co-workers? For svv of "work"

Were J or S clients of B? Again, I'd say "customers," but Yes, both Did B work at a strip club? No (And the members of the gang owned the strip club?) No strip clubs in this puzzle Was B perfectly able to defend herself No (e.g. she was a karate athlete as a profession?)? No Is B's one an ordinary job (e.g. white/pink/blue collar...?)? Yes, pink-collar Is B a doctor? No A model? No Did she become rich because no witness was alive and the only one left had assaulted her? No, FA, but the first half of that sentence may point OTRT
Did she become richer in one day after the happening? One year? Months? After the assault, months Because she had more clients? No Because she gained more money through her job? No She became richer through donations? No Because of someone's death (if so J's death? M's?)? No but both deaths are relevant to her becoming rich Did she ended up with more money in a legal way? NO!
Did the gang's members shot M? No Because he tried to defend B? No, FA Just because he was a policeman? No but OTRT Territory defence relevant? No A mistake (the member of the gang thought the police was there for them?)? No to mistake, Yes (and...) to the parenthetical

Was this set during the prohibition? No
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Balin » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:54 am

HINT:
The timeline is as follows:
-Sam harasses Brandy
-Months later, Marshall dies
-Shortly after, Brandy becomes rich
-Months later, James dies
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Balin » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:27 pm

RECAP (in addition to the above timeline):
Sam harassed Brandy in a pub, where he was a customer and she was a waitress.
Brandy and James are, at some point in the story, lovers.
Marshall is a policeman. James is not.
James' profession (svv) is also relevant.
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Earnest » Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:23 am

Ok I'm basing on the last hint and recap...sorry for not having answer other questions on that beautiful puzzle...

Even if the timeline is quite spread in time , is the place where all those those deaths happen the same? The pub where B works? When S harassed B, was J in the pub? Were J and B already lovers? Did J look for revenge? Were all the deaths caused by the members of the gang? Did they see S harassing B? Was one of the gang's member also in love with B? Or at least he likes her?
After S harassed B did something change in B'life / S's life? E.g. she fired? Or she changed her role in the pub? Or some precautions (e.g. bodyguards outside the pub...btw was J a bodyguard?) in order to avoid similar happenings were undertaken? Was it normal that customers harassed waitress in that kind of pub? Relevant?
Did B and J became lovers before B was harassed? After? Shortly before/after? Months after/before? Days? Relevant?

Did S used a weapon to threat (hope the spelling is correct) B? Was then forbidden to enter with weapons in the pub regardless one's profession? Was the pub under the control of the gang? Was Marshall trying to go to the pub when he was killed (was him killed? Was him shot?)? If so was him dressed like a policemen? Was him in the pub as a policeman or as a normal customer? Was him killed just because he was trying to entering the pub dressed as a policeman?

Was M killed as a consequence of S harassing B? If so, was him investigating ob the activities of the pub? Or was him simply passing by? Was there a reason why M was at the pub? Were illegal activities undertaken in the pub (e.g. poker/drugs...)?


Did B became rich thanks to the money coming from the illegal activities of the pub?
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Balin » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:36 pm

Even if the timeline is quite spread in time , is the place where all those those deaths happen the same? No The pub where B works? No When S harassed B, was J in the pub? Yes, good question Were J and B already lovers? Before the harassment? No. Also a good q Did J look for revenge? No Were all the deaths caused by the members of the gang? No Did they see S harassing B? No Was one of the gang's member also in love with B? No Or at least he likes her? No
After S harassed B did something change in B'life / S's life? Brandy's, relevantly E.g. she fired? Or she changed her role in the pub? Close enough - she left the pub Or some precautions (e.g. bodyguards outside the pub...btw was J a bodyguard?) in order to avoid similar happenings were undertaken? No
Was it normal that customers harassed waitress in that kind of pub? Relevant? Irrel
Did B and J became lovers before B was harassed? After? Shortly before/after? Shortly after Months after/before? Days? Even more shortly after Relevant? Yes

Did S used a weapon to threat (hope the spelling is correct) B? No Was then forbidden to enter with weapons in the pub regardless one's profession? Irrel Was the pub under the control of the gang? No Was Marshall trying to go to the pub when he was killed No (was him killed? Yes Was him shot? Yes)? If so was him dressed like a policemen? Yes Was him in the pub as a policeman or as a normal customer? He was not in the pub Was him killed just because he was trying to entering the pub dressed as a policeman? He was killed because he was doing something in his role as a policeman

Was M killed as a consequence of S harassing B? A consequence of the "butterfly effect" level If so, was him investigating ob the activities of the pub? He was investigating a place where illegal activities were taking place, but it was not the pub Or was him simply passing by? He had a reason for being at the place he was killed Was there a reason why M was at the pub? He was not at the pub Were illegal activities undertaken in the pub (e.g. poker/drugs...)? Illegal activities Yes, at the pub No


Did B became rich thanks to the money coming from the illegal activities Yes of the pub? No
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Earnest » Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:38 pm

Did B and J became lovers one minute after B was harassed? Hours later? Did J react and "saved" B from being harassed? Did J leave the pub when B left it? Did J and B become lovers because J helped B from not being harassed?

When J left the pub did she do some relevant action against it? Like witnessing the illegal activities? With the help of J? Were the legal activities conducted near the pub by the gang?
Did B think that the type of customers like S entered the pub because og the illegal activities conducted outside/near the pub? Relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Balin » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:48 pm

Did B and J became lovers one minute after B was harassed? Pretty much Hours later? Did J react and "saved" B from being harassed? Yes Did J leave the pub when B left it? Other way around Did J and B become lovers because J helped B from not being harassed? Yes

You now have all the information you need about the action in the pub: when Sam harassed Brandy, James punched him out, and Brandy became James' lover. Nothing further takes place in or around the pub.


When J left the pub did she do some relevant action against it? No Like witnessing the illegal activities? Yes (again, those were not in the pub) With the help of J? Yes Were the legal activities conducted near the pub by the gang? By the gang, Yes. Near the pub, No - the pub has nothing more to do with the puzzle
Did B think that the type of customers like S entered the pub because og the illegal activities conducted outside/near the pub? No Relevant? No
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Earnest » Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:31 pm

So did J and B have something to do with the illegal activities of the gang? With the gang in general? Did they notice the illegal activities going on? If so days after they become lovers? Months after? Relevant? Did they witness the illegal activities going on? Were they victims of the illegal activities? Did they open another activity and they were victim of the illegal competition of the gang activities? Relevant the source of gain of the gang?

Relevant which specific illegal activities? Drugs? Alcohol? Bets? Mafia? Territory control relevabt? Colors of the gang? Did the gang impede that certain type of people have sonethibg to do with J and B?

Were J and B looking for another job? Relevant what they did after they left the pub?
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Balin » Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:23 pm

So did J and B have something to do with the illegal activities of the gang? Yes With the gang in general? Yes Did they notice the illegal activities going on? Yes If so days after they become lovers? Months after? Months Relevant? Only to establish the time gap Did they witness the illegal activities going on? Yes Were they victims of the illegal activities? No Did they open another activity and they were victim of the illegal competition of the gang activities? No Relevant the source of gain of the gang? Not really

Relevant which specific illegal activities? Not particularly, but... Drugs? ...it was this Alcohol? Bets? Mafia? Territory control relevabt? Colors of the gang? Did the gang impede that certain type of people have sonethibg to do with J and B? No/Irrel to others

Were J and B looking for another job? No Relevant what they did after they left the pub? No

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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Earnest » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:09 am

So as far as I understand...they witnessed the activities to Marshall who was in the bearby and got shot right? I mean...they do not witness officially at a trial right?...then Marshall is killed and the gang escaped? Did they leave the stuffs there? Was the gang in the middle of an exchange of drugs and money? Did B become rich by taking the drug/money left by the gang? Is "Eisemberg" relevant (sorry must ask)?


Was J shot as well? As a revenge? As a revenge toward J or toward B? Was B rich but not safe?
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Balin » Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:29 pm

So as far as I understand...they witnessed the activities Yes to Marshall No who was nearby Yes and got shot right? Marshall got shot, yes
I mean...they do not witness officially at a trial right?... Correct, they don't witness at a trial then Marshall is killed and the gang escaped? Yes Did they leave the stuffs there? Yes Was the gang in the middle of an exchange of drugs and money? Yes Did B become rich by taking the drug/money left by the gang? YES, the money, very good! Is "Eisemberg" relevant (sorry must ask)? No

Was J shot as well? No As a revenge? No As a revenge toward J or toward B? No Was B rich but not safe? No
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Earnest » Thu Apr 05, 2018 6:51 pm

Was J's death related to the fact that B took the money? To the illegal thing they witnessed?
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Postby Balin » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:02 pm

Was J's death related to the fact that B took the money? Not so much To the illegal thing they witnessed? Indirectly
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Earnest » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:52 am

So what is left = how J died right?...so after the illegal deed they've also seen the death of Marshal right? Is this relevant to establish how J died? Was J killed? By someone? Is the fact that B became rich relevant to establish J's death? Was J killed by B? Did J see B taking the money? Relevant?(e.g. he was a witness of B stealing illegal money?) Relevant how B employed the illegal money? Did she somehow launder the money she had taken? If so, was J aware of that?Were they happy lovers even when J died?
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Balin » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:28 pm

So what is left = how J died right?... Yes, and more about the circumstances of Marshall's death
so after the illegal deed they've also seen the death of Marshal right? Yes... Is this relevant to establish how J died? Yes Was J killed? Yes By someone? Yes
Is the fact that B became rich relevant to establish J's death? It might help indirectly Was J killed by B? No Did J see B taking the money? Yes Relevant? Mildly (e.g. he was a witness of B stealing illegal money?) No
Relevant how B employed the illegal money? No Did she somehow launder the money she had taken? Irrel If so, was J aware of that? Irrel Were they happy lovers even when J died? ...assume they never spoke to each other in the time between Marshall's death and James' death. This is relevant.
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Balin » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:09 pm

RECAP:
After pub-crawler Sam groped waitress Brandy, James punched out Sam and became Brandy's lover.
James was a criminal, and a few months later, he (and Brandy) became involved in a drug deal with a gang.
During the deal, everyone was forced to flee. Marshall, a police officer, got shot, and Brandy left with the money that was part of the deal, becoming rich.
Months later, James died.

Explain the circumstances of Marshall's and James' deaths.
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Earnest » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:14 pm

So was Marshall shot by a gang's member? If not, was him shot by J ? By B? Relevant?
Can we assume that J and B never interact in between M's death and J's death? (They never spoke/never see each other...)
Was J killed by someone related to B? To M? To the gang? To J himself? Was J shot? Was him hanged? Killed by dead penalty? Was J imprisoned? Was J accused for M's death?
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets

Postby Balin » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:04 pm

So was Marshall shot by a gang's member? No If not, was him shot by J ? By B? Relevant? By Brandy, and very relevant
Can we assume that J and B never interact in between M's death and J's death? (They never spoke/never see each other...) They spoke/saw each other during the few minutes immediately following Marshall's death, but never after that.
Was J killed by someone related to B? To M? To the gang? To J himself? No to all Was J shot? Was him hanged? Killed by dead penalty? YES Was J imprisoned? Yes Was J accused for M's death? Yes, and I think I can call it there.

****SPOILER****

(Song time.)

Sherry was a waitress at the only joint in town
She had a reputation as a girl who'd been around
Down Main Street after midnight with a brand new pack of cigs
A fresh one hangin' from her lips and a beer between her legs
She'd ride down to the river and meet with all her friends
The road goes on forever and the party never ends

Sonny was a loner, older than the rest
He was going into the Navy but he couldn't pass the test
So he hung around town and he sold a little pot
The law caught wind of Sonny and one day he got caught
But he was back in business when they set him free again
The road goes on forever and the party never ends

Sonny's playin' 8-ball at the joint where Sherry works
Some drunken out-o'-towner put his hand up Sherry's skirt
Sonny took his pool cue, laid the drunk out on the floor,
Stuffed a dollar in her tip jar and walked on out the door
She's runnin' right behind him, reachin' for his hand
The road goes on forever and the party never ends

They jumped into his pickup, Sonny jammed her down in gear
Sonny looked at Sherry, said, "Let's get on outta here."
The stars were high above them, the moon was in the east
The sun was settin' on them when they reached Miami Beach
They got a motel by the water and a quart of Bombay gin
The road goes on forever and the party never ends

They soon ran out of money but Sonny knew a man
Who knew some Cuban refugees who dealt in contraband
Sonny met the Cubans in a house just off the route
With a briefcase full of money and a pistol in his boot
The cards were on the table when the law came bustin' in
The road goes on forever and the party never ends

The Cubans grabbed the goodies, Sonny grabbed the Jack
He broke a bathroom window and climbed on out the back
Sherry drove the pickup through the alley on the side
Where the lawman tackled Sonny and was readin' him his rights
She stepped out in the alley with a single-shot .410
The road goes on forever and the party never ends

They left the lawman dyin' and they made their getaway
Got back to the motel just before the break of day
Sonny gave her all the money and he blew a little kiss:
"If they ask you how this happened, say I forced you into this."
She watched him as his taillights disappeared around the bend
The road goes on forever and the party never ends

There's a Main Street after midnight, just like it was before,
21 months later at the local grocery store
Sherry buys a paper and a cold six-pack of beer
The headlines read that Sonny is goin' to the chair
She pulls back onto Main Street in her new Mercedes Benz
The road goes on forever and the party never ends
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets (*PARTY ENDS*)

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:30 pm

Wow...O_O
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets (*PARTY ENDS*)

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:37 pm

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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets (*PARTY ENDS*)

Postby Earnest » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:22 am

Woooo...thanks for the puzzle...but actually I don't think I have actually spoiled all of that O.O
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets (*PARTY ENDS*)

Postby Balin » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:05 pm

By the way, here's the meaning of the character names in the puzzle:

"Marshall" = the lawman. A marshal is a police rank similar to a sheriff.
"Sam" = the drunk. Named him after Sam Adams beer.
"James" = "Sonny." James Caan played Sonny Corleone in The Godfather.
"Brandy" = "Sherry." Both types of alcohol.
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Re: [Balin] Gin and bullets (*PARTY ENDS*)

Postby Earnest » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:04 pm

Cool!
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