[Balin] Tangled up in ecru

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[Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby Balin » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:29 am

Nancy made a mistake.
Tyrone lied so the mistake would be fixed.
In fixing the mistake, Nancy discovered that Tyrone lied.
How?

Nancy #1 = Nancy #2 = H/A/F
Tyrone #1 = Tyrone #2 = H/A/M
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby trebor » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:54 am

Are Nancy and Tyrone related? If so, are they married, or in another romantic relationship with each other? Siblings? Parent and child? Are they co-workers? Is the profession of either of them relevant? Is this modern times? Is there a third party involved?
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby Earnest » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:54 am

Did they work in a tv program? Could the mistake of Nancy be fixed by lying to Nancy? Nancy mistake = Volubtarily? she told a wrong name? She told something wrong? (E.g. they both were actors and Nancy told the wrong line) She made something wrong? She made wrong computations?
Relevant how long it took to fix the mistake? Minutes? Hours? Days?

Were they in front of an audience? Did Nancy made something wrong that would lead to a bigger mistake (e.g. use the wrong colors to create the mixture used to paint a room...?)? Did T lied not to offend Nancy? So that it seemed that there was no mistake? Because it was the simpler way to fix it? Because that Nancy was not aware of the mistake and correcting her he would have revealed her ignorance on something? Becayse he knew that after revealing it Nancy would not have admitted her mistake or would not have fixed it? Because it was the more elegant and polite way to let Nancy understand her mistake and fix it (e.g. Nancy was a waiter and made a wrong bill?)?
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:42 am

Are Nancy and Tyrone the only players here?

Tyrone lied so that the mistake MADE BY NANCY would be fixed BY NANCY? Or did he intend that someone else would fix the mistake?

Did Tyrone point out Nancy’s mistake? If so, to Nancy, or to a third party? Did Tyrone think that if he were to tell the truth, the mistake would not be fixed? Was he trying to spare Nancy some embarrassment or other negative consequence? Did he have her best interests at heart, or was he thinking of himself, both of them, other person/s?`
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby Balin » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:31 pm

Are Nancy and Tyrone related? No If so, are they married, or in another romantic relationship with each other? Siblings? Parent and child? No to these Are they co-workers? No Is the profession of either of them relevant? Yes, Nancy Is this modern times? Yes Is there a third party involved? Yes

Did they work in a tv program? No Could the mistake of Nancy be fixed by lying to Nancy? Tyrone thought so Nancy mistake = Voluntarily? No she told a wrong name? No She told something wrong? No (E.g. they both were actors and Nancy told the wrong line) No She made something wrong? No/Yope She made wrong computations? No
Relevant how long it took to fix the mistake? Minutes? Hours? Days?

Were they in front of an audience? No Did Nancy made something wrong that would lead to a bigger mistake No (e.g. use the wrong colors to create the mixture used to paint a room...?)? No Did T lied not to offend Nancy? Can you elaborate on this? (Yope, I think) So that it seemed that there was no mistake? No Because it was the simpler way to fix it? Yes Because that Nancy was not aware of the mistake and correcting her he would have revealed her ignorance on something? No Because he knew that after revealing it Nancy would not have admitted her mistake or would not have fixed it? Yope Because it was the more elegant and polite way to let Nancy understand her mistake and fix it No (e.g. Nancy was a waiter and made a wrong bill?)? No but pretty close

Are Nancy and Tyrone the only players here? No, one other person is relevant

Tyrone lied so that the mistake MADE BY NANCY would be fixed BY NANCY? Yes Or did he intend that someone else would fix the mistake? No

Did Tyrone point out Nancy’s mistake? Yes If so, to Nancy, or to a third party? To Nancy Did Tyrone think that if he were to tell the truth, the mistake would not be fixed? Yes Was he trying to spare Nancy some embarrassment or other negative consequence? No Did he have her best interests at heart, or was he thinking of himself, both of them, other person/s? More the second (himself)
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:18 pm

Is Nancy's profession something which includes fixing something? Is Tyrone's? Do N & T know each other at all, is one a client of the other, co-workers, something else, or are they strangers? Is the 3rd party in Nancy's profession? HAM?
Is the broken thing something tangible or intangible? Does 'mistake' = 'broken thing'?
Did Tyrone's lie involve making out that the mistake was more serious than it really was? More urgent? Caused by something or someone different? Did Tyrone, Nancy or the 3rd party make the mistake? Was Nancy upset or offended by the mistake itself, the lie, or the effect of the mistake? Was another person offended, or was there a possibility they would be? Were any of the 3 customers?
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby Balin » Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:25 pm

Is Nancy's profession something which includes fixing something? No Is Tyrone's? Irrel Do N & T know each other at all, Yes is one a client of the other, This, although again I'd say "customer" co-workers, something else, or are they strangers? Is the 3rd party in Nancy's profession? No HAM? Yes
Is the broken thing something tangible or intangible? Nothing is "broken" Does 'mistake' = 'broken thing'? See prev
Did Tyrone's lie involve making out that the mistake was more serious than it really was? Noish More urgent? Noish Caused by something or someone different? No Did Tyrone, Nancy or the 3rd party make the mistake? Nancy Was Nancy upset or offended by the mistake itself, the lie, or the effect of the mistake? Irrel Was another person offended, or was there a possibility they would be? Irrel Were any of the 3 customers? Tyrone and the 3rd person
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:07 pm

Was there a shop? Was food involved? Was the 3rd person HAM, HAF etc?
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Postby Balin » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:51 am

Was there a shop? Yes Was food involved? Yes Was the 3rd person HAM, HAF etc? H/A/M, relevant
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:16 am

Did Tyrone lie to Nancy? Did Nancy know she made this mistake when she tried fixing it? If Tyrone hadn't lied, would the mistake not have been fixed? If not: for lack of trying? Because if would not be possible? Was it a serious mistake? Could it affect someones health? Finances? Happiness? Freedom? Did Tyrone lie in order to help Nancy? Was nancy unhappy with him for lying?
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:47 pm

Was the shop a bakery? Were the two (male) clients wanting a wedding cake for their wedding?
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby Balin » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:43 pm

Did Tyrone lie to Nancy? Yes Did Nancy know she made this mistake when she tried fixing it? Yes If Tyrone hadn't lied, would the mistake not have been fixed? Correct, it would not have been fixed If not: for lack of trying? No Because if would not be possible? No Was it a serious mistake? No Could it affect someones health? Finances? Happiness? Freedom? None of these, although it might briefly affect someone's happiness Did Tyrone lie in order to help Nancy? No Was Nancy unhappy with him for lying? Presumably

Was the shop a bakery? No Were the two (male) clients wanting a wedding cake for their wedding? No
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:17 pm

Baked goods? Vegetarianism, halal, food allergies or other special requirements relevant? Restaurant? Fast food? Food shop eg supermarket? Was the gender or sexuality of the customer an issue? Or of Tyrone, Nancy?
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby Balin » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:39 pm

Baked goods? No Vegetarianism, halal, food allergies or other special requirements relevant? No Restaurant? No Fast food? Yes (exact chain doesn't matter) Food shop eg supermarket? No
Was the gender or sexuality of the customer an issue? Or of Tyrone, Nancy? It is relevant that the third person and Tyrone are both male. It would also work, though, if they were both female
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:32 pm

Did the other guy have a name which could be perceived as female?
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby Balin » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:50 pm

Did the other guy have a name which could be perceived as female? No. For simplicity we'll call the third person Jim.
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:28 am

Are Jim and Tyrone twins, identical or otherwise? Otherwise related? Do they know each other?
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby Balin » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:59 pm

Are Jim and Tyrone twins, identical or otherwise? No Otherwise related? No Do they know each other? No
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby Balin » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:24 pm

RECAP:
Wendy works at a fast food restaurant. Tyrone is a customer, as is Jim. Tyrone lies to Wendy in order to get the mistake fixed, believing that she will not fix it if he tells the truth. It is relevant that Tyrone and Jim are both of the same gender and that Jim has an obviously male name.
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby trebor » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:42 pm

Does Tyrone lie about the contents of his order? About his happiness with his food? Are any special requests/dietary restrictions relevant? Does his lie involve Jim? Jim’s order? Does Tyrone say that Jim’s order is his? Vice versa? Is it relevant whether they used the drive thru?
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby Balin » Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:33 pm

Does Tyrone lie about the contents of his order? No, but see subsequent answers About his happiness with his food? No Are any special requests/dietary restrictions relevant? No Does his lie involve Jim? Yes Jim’s order? Yes Does Tyrone say that Jim’s order is his? Pretty much. Jim had also complained about a mistake; Nancy asked if Tyrone was the "Jim" who had called, and Tyrone said he was Vice versa? Is it relevant whether they used the drive thru? No, but assume neither did
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby Balin » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:04 pm

RECAP:
Nancy made a mistake on Tyrone's food order.
In order to get the mistake corrected, Tyrone claimed to be Jim, who had also called in with a mistaken food order.

How did fixing the mistake reveal to Nancy that Tyrone was lying?
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Re: [Balin] Tangled up in ecru

Postby Balin » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:57 pm

I'm going to just skoosh this one.

****SPOILER****

(Yep, Reddit.)

When Tyrone went back to the restaurant for his forgotten burrito, Nancy told him that since he hadn't called company corporate they couldn't fix his order. Tyrone said he had called, and Nancy said, "oh, you're Jim?" In order to get his burrito, Tyrone said he was, and he got his burrito added to his new order. But he paid by credit card, and Nancy saw that the name on the card wasn't "Jim."
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