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[JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:31 am

"The battle began in my attic and ended in my front parlor."
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:55 am

'My' = JenBurdoo? HAF etc?
Did the battle involve people, animals or other? 'Battle' = some kind of fight, controversy, dilemma, struggle, altercation, something else? Did the battle move down through other rooms in the house, or go straight from the attic to the parlour? Number of participants - 1, 2, 10, 20, more? Did the battle end well or badly?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby JenBurdoo » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:17 am

'My' = JenBurdoo? HAF etc? No. Assume HAM.
Did the battle involve people, animals or other? People and "other." 'Battle' = some kind of fight, controversy, dilemma, struggle, altercation, something else? "Something else" is closest. Did the battle move down through other rooms in the house, or go straight from the attic to the parlour? The latter. Number of participants - 1, 2, 10, 20, more? Assume two. Did the battle end well or badly? Badly.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:38 am

One HAM then... or two? Other = monster, spirit, angel, demon, god, ghost, furniture, other animate being, other inanimate object, tiny or microscopic things, anything else?
Did the battle involve weapons? Any other objects at all? Did it occur in the mind? Was it imaginary, fantasy, fairytail? Was it relevant why it started and ended where it did? Could it, in theory, have begun and ended somewhere else? On Earth, present day, in real life?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:24 pm

One HAM then... or two? Assume two. Other = monster, spirit, angel, demon, god, ghost, furniture, other animate being, other inanimate object, This. tiny or microscopic things, And this. anything else? No.
Did the battle involve weapons? Yope. Any other objects at all? Oh, yes. Did it occur in the mind? Yope. Was it imaginary, fantasy, fairytail? Yes. Was it relevant why it started and ended where it did? Yes. Could it, in theory, have begun and ended somewhere else? Yes. On Earth, present day, in real life? Yes to all.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:37 pm

Just to clarify, the battle is between the two HAM's on one side,
and on the other side:-
one or more (number?) inanimate object/s
and/or one or more (?number) tiny and/or microscopic thing/s?
Was this in a storybook? A movie? Is it well-known?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby JenBurdoo » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:17 am

Just to clarify, the battle is between the two HAM's on one side, No.
and on the other side:-
one or more (number?) inanimate object/s
and/or one or more (?number) tiny and/or microscopic thing/s? Multiple small inanimate objects.
Was this in a storybook? A movie? Is it well-known? Among a small segment of the population, it's an old wives' tale. It may or may not have happened, but it could realistically do so.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:02 pm

Are the multiple objects all the same, similar, or different? Useful to discover which segment of the population? So the two HAM's are on opposing sides? The multiple objects are on the side of one of the HAMs, both, or neither? Relevant that it was specifically those two rooms? Could it have happened in other rooms, or stayed in attic? Did the old wives' tale involve a caution, this will lead to that, a motto, something else? Small inanimate objects = things you would find in an attic, a parlour, elsewhere in a house, somewhere else?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby Balin » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:42 pm

Did the battle fall through the attic floor/parlor ceiling?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:43 am

Are the multiple objects all the same, similar, or different? Similar. Useful to discover which segment of the population? Yes, for SVV of "segment." So the two HAM's are on opposing sides? Yes. The multiple objects are on the side of one of the HAMs, both, or neither? Both. Relevant that it was specifically those two rooms? The attic, yes; the parlor, no. Could it have happened in other rooms, or stayed in attic? Yes. Did the old wives' tale involve a caution, this will lead to that, a motto, something else? A caution, I'd say; more of a story running around the relevant segment of the population. Small inanimate objects = things you would find in an attic, a parlour, elsewhere in a house, somewhere else? Any of these are possible.

Did the battle fall through the attic floor/parlor ceiling? Yes.
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Postby GalFisk » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:22 am

Drugs relevant? Hallucinations? Toys? Was the battle a fight with words? A game? Were they joking around? Serious? Angry? Annoyed? Did they both live in the house? Construction or renovation relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:49 am

Drugs relevant? Hallucinations? Toys? This (arguably). Was the battle a fight with words? A game? This. Were they joking around? Serious? This. Angry? Annoyed? Did they both live in the house? Probably just one of them. Construction or renovation relevant? No to all the others.
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:05 pm

Did the game involve: projectiles? Electronics? Rules? Breaking game rules relevant? Did it involve dice? Miniatures? Strategy? Did they intend to end up in the parlor?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:43 am

Did the game involve: projectiles? No. Electronics? No. Rules? Yes. Breaking game rules relevant? No. Did it involve dice? Yes. Miniatures? Yes. Strategy? Yes. Did they intend to end up in the parlor? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby GalFisk » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:12 pm

Do miniatures relevantly fall down? Mistakenly fall down?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby Balin » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:31 pm

Is the battle being played in a tabletop game? D&D?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:53 pm

Were computers involved? any other technology? eg phone, radio, walkie talkie? One one player in the attic and the other in the parlour? Was the ceiling broken at any point? Was there already an aperture in it? Ladder relevant? Did something crash through the ceiling, e.g. due to weight? Were the two participants friends? Rivals? Did the participants crash through the ceiling? Did the miniatures?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:33 am

Do miniatures relevantly fall down? Yes. Mistakenly fall down? A relevant mistake was made.

Is the battle being played in a tabletop game? Yes. D&D? No.

Were computers involved? any other technology? eg phone, radio, walkie talkie? Nothing electronic is relevant. One one player in the attic and the other in the parlour? No. Was the ceiling broken at any point? Yes. Was there already an aperture in it? Irrelevant. Ladder relevant? No. Did something crash through the ceiling, e.g. due to weight? Yes. Were the two participants friends? This. Rivals? Only in the sense that they were playing each other. Did the participants crash through the ceiling? Assume no. Did the miniatures? Yes.
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:32 am

Is the game played on a table? Is relevant scenery built as a game board? Did they bring up a giant rock to play on? Something else relevantly heavy? Did something made of glass break? Something made of wood? Paper? Something else? Did something fall over?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:36 pm

Was it a war game, e.g. war reenactment? Were the pieces made of lead? Were there a lot of them, so that their combined weight was too heavy? Did the table fall through? Did one or more of the players stand or sit on the table? Try to move the table?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:57 pm

Is the game played on a table? Yes. Is relevant scenery built as a game board? Yes. Did they bring up a giant rock to play on? No. Something else relevantly heavy? Yes. Did something made of glass break? Something made of wood? Paper? Something else? Did something fall over? No to all.

Was it a war game, e.g. war reenactment? Yes. Were the pieces made of lead? Irrelevant. Were there a lot of them, so that their combined weight was too heavy? The weight of the miniatures wasn't the problem. Did the table fall through? Yes. Did one or more of the players stand or sit on the table? No. Try to move the table? No.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:06 pm

Did one or more of the players fall through? Did anything else fall through? Relevant what the table landed on, or what other damage was done? What is there still left to find out?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:46 pm

Did one or more of the players fall through? No. Did anything else fall through? Just what was on the table. Relevant what the table landed on, or what other damage was done? No. What is there still left to find out? Why was the table so heavy that it fell through? They got it up to the attic, after all.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:13 pm

Is the answer to do with the attic, the table, or something else? The inherent nature of any of those? Did they assemble it up there? Did it absorb something? Was it added to in any way? Were they standing on it? Was something else relevantly stand on it? Did something fall on it, e.g. part of the ceiling, another piece of furniture?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:18 am

Is the answer to do with the attic, the table, or something else? The table. The inherent nature of any of those? No. Did they assemble it up there? Assume yes. Did it absorb something? No, but... Was it added to in any way? Yes. Were they standing on it? No. Was something else relevantly stand on it? Yes. Did something fall on it, e.g. part of the ceiling, another piece of furniture? No.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:56 am

Did something jump on the table? and upset it, causing it to fall through the attic floor? was a kitteh involved? :) (hey, I had to ask)
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:02 am

Did something jump on the table? and upset it, causing it to fall through the attic floor? was a kitteh involved? :) (hey, I had to ask) No, sorry. Although I have had cats jump on gaming or painting tables before. My last cat I called my "gamer kitty" because he had his own collection of stolen miniatures and dice under the bed.
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Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:29 am

awww, gamer kitteh :)

may I please have a recap of what we know?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:17 pm

Two gamers were playing a miniature wargame in one gamer's attic. The table was too heavy for the floor of the attic and fell through, ending the game. The miniature toy soldiers were not the reason it was too heavy, nor was the house poorly built.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby GalFisk » Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:06 am

Was the table itself too heavy? Was something on it too heavy? Was a person too heavy? Was the floor relevantly flimsy? Were players relevantly leaning on the table? Contact area between table and floor relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:12 pm

Was the table itself too heavy? Was something on it too heavy? This. Was a person too heavy? Was the floor relevantly flimsy? Were players relevantly leaning on the table? Contact area between table and floor relevant? No to the rest.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:20 pm

but the something was not a kitteh? or a cheezburger? (just double checking)

was the something supposed to be there? for purposes of the game? or did it fall onto the table from the ceiling? blow in through the window? was it carelessly set down there?

did the object weigh more than: 5 pounds? 10 pounds? 20 pounds? 50 pounds? 100 pounds??

was the something a living thing? an animal? a person?

was the floor strong? solidly constructed? or were there slats (it was an attic, you said?) was the floor weakened by water damage? termites, carpenter ants or similar?

(apologies if any of this has been asked already, just trying to be sure)
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:58 am

but the something was not a kitteh? or a cheezburger? (just double checking) No. Either would have been too small.

was the something supposed to be there? Yes. for purposes of the game? Yes. or did it fall onto the table from the ceiling? blow in through the window? was it carelessly set down there? No to the rest.

did the object weigh more than: 5 pounds? 10 pounds? 20 pounds? 50 pounds? 100 pounds?? This.

was the something a living thing? No. an animal? a person?

was the floor strong? solidly constructed? Assume yes. or were there slats (it was an attic, you said?) was the floor weakened by water damage? termites, carpenter ants or similar? Assume no.
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby GalFisk » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:58 am

Was it made of metal? Stone? Concrete? Water? Glass? Ceramic? Ice? Wood? Paper? Fabric? Was it sand? Gravel? Dirt? A large number of books?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:58 am

Was it made of metal? Stone? Concrete? Water? Glass? Ceramic? Ice? Wood? Paper? Fabric? Was it sand? This. Gravel? Dirt? A large number of books?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:45 am

A sandbag? a sandbox? a block of sandstone?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:23 pm

A sandbag? a sandbox? Very similar to this. a block of sandstone?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby GalFisk » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:08 pm

A sand pile? A sand castle? Other sand sculpture? Was the sand surface changed during the game? Such as making craters from simulated weapon hits? Demolishing sand structures if they took damage in-game? Making different game boards for each game? Making a model landscape? Simulating a beach? Desert?
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Re: [JenBurdoo] War in microcosm

Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:06 am

A sand pile? A sand castle? Other sand sculpture? This. Was the sand surface changed during the game? Such as making craters from simulated weapon hits? Demolishing sand structures if they took damage in-game? Making different game boards for each game? This. Making a model landscape? This. Simulating a beach? Desert?

Spoiler:

The sand table is a classic method of building a model landscape for tactical instruction. Most in military use today are simply done outside in a handy desert, but they were once commonly used by wargamers. The catch is that sand is heavy, and it gets worse when water is added to help mold it. So if you are using a table, ie a sandbox up on legs, it is best to make sure that the floor is extra sturdy. With modern modeling techniques and inexpensive plastic boards, collapses no longer happen, but there are apocryphal stories...
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