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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:41 pm

There exists a town somewhere in the United States, where 1/10 of the population has lost a limb.
One resident tarnished the good name of the local snakes, who were innocent!
Nobody died.

No googling please!
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] One Armed Bandits

Postby Earnest » Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:44 pm

Ok...so is the 1/10 of the population we are talking about humans? Limb = leg? Arm? Relevant?

tarnished the good name of the local snakes = he gave the fault of something to the snakes? If so was him the real guilty? ; he said something negative on the snakes? He made sonething negative which was somehow connected with the name of the snakes? Is the specific name of the snakes relevant? Anaconda? Cobra?? Python (hope it is the right name)? Rattlesnake? Other type of snakes? (Snakes = animal?) Is the town in the south of USA? In texas? In the border with mexico? In desert? Are we talking about modern times? Far west time?

Did the 1/10 of population who lost a limb, lost it at the same time? In the same event/accident? In the same way? Did they born without a limb? Did they lose a limb due to something for which snakes were accused? Poison relevant? Is the name of the town relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:02 pm

Earnest wrote:Ok...so is the 1/10 of the population we are talking about humans? Yes Limb = leg? Arm? Either Relevant? Yesish... explore

tarnished the good name of the local snakes = he gave the fault of something to the snakes? Yes If so was him the real guilty? yes he said something negative on the snakes? yes He made sonething negative which was somehow connected with the name of the snakes? Yesish Is the specific name of the snakes relevant? Not really... Anaconda? Cobra?? Python (hope it is the right name)? Rattlesnake? But he was likely referring to this Other type of snakes? (Snakes = animal? Yes ) Is the town in the south of USA? Yes In texas? In the border with mexico? In desert? all Irrel Are we talking about modern times? Yesish Far west time? No

Did the 1/10 of population who lost a limb, lost it at the same time? No In the same event/accident? No In the same way? Yope Did they born without a limb? No Did they lose a limb due to something for which snakes were accused? No Poison relevant? no Is the name of the town relevant? Not as far as this puzzle is concerned, no


By the way, "tarnished the good name of the local snakes" means that he blamed the snakes for something. The snakes didn't actually do anything.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] One Armed Bandits

Postby WiZ » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:10 pm

Was Mr. Snakeblamer a doctor? Amputations relevant? Did he remove the limbs directly, or did the townspeople lose limbs as an eventual consequence of his actions?

Are we talking about biological legs and arms? Did these people lose prostheses somehow? Were they stolen or destroyed?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:23 pm

WiZ wrote:Was Mr. Snakeblamer a doctor? No Amputations relevant? yes Did he remove the limbs directly, FA or did the townspeople lose limbs as an eventual consequence of his actions? FA

Are we talking about biological legs and arms? yes Did these people lose prostheses somehow? no Were they stolen or destroyed?no
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] One Armed Bandits

Postby Earnest » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:25 pm

Did they lose a limb due to something the man made? (B.t.w. the one resident = HAF? HAM? Relevant?) Is the resident among the 1/10 of people without a limb? Relevant? Relevant the job of the resident? Was him the only one doctor in the town?

Was the main accusation he made to snake related to a sound? To a smell? To the stoppage of something? The cause of an explosion? Some traces?

Did he give the fault to the snakes for something that could be simply misunderstood for an action of snakes? E.g. the death of someone? Stoppage of a sewerage?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:26 pm

Ups WiZ wrote while I was writing...so sorry for repetitions of questions...
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Postby WiZ » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:58 pm

Was there a reason amputations were particularly prevalent in the town? War relevant? Was the man a military officer of some sort?

I think I misunderstood 'was him the real guilty' - Was Mr. Snakeblamer responsible for the amputations?

If his occupation was relevant, was he a clergyman of some sort? A public official? A health practitioner? Lawyer? Did his work concern the local environment? Animals?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:00 pm

Earnest wrote:Did they lose a limb due to something the man made? Yes, 'manmade' in general (B.t.w. the one resident But not something THE man made = HAF? HAM? Relevant? Let's say HAM but Irrel ) Is the resident among the 1/10 of people without a limb? Yes Relevant? Yes Relevant the job of the resident? No Was him the only one doctor in the town? No, it's unlikely he was a doctor.

Was the main accusation he made to snake related to a sound? No To a smell? No To the stoppage of something? Sorry can you explain what you mean pls? The cause of an explosion? No Some traces? Can you explain what you mean by this too pls?

Did he give the fault to the snakes for something that could be simply misunderstood for an action of snakes? Yope, there was something which COULD be relevant to an action of snakes E.g. the death of someone? Potentially Stoppage of a sewerage? No
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] One Armed Bandits

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:05 pm

WiZ wrote:Was there a reason amputations were particularly prevalent in the town? Yes War relevant? No Was the man a military officer of some sort? No/irrel

I think I misunderstood 'was him the real guilty' - Was Mr. Snakeblamer responsible for the amputations? He was only responsible for one of them, i.e. his own

If his occupation was relevant, It wasn't was he a clergyman of some sort? A public official? A health practitioner? Lawyer? Did his work concern the local environment? Animals? All irrel
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Postby Earnest » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:54 pm

Reason = connected to explosions? Nuclear bombs? Radiations? Pollution?

Did they relevantly lose their limbs? I mean because it was necessary to survive? If not did they choose to lose them? By amputation? Did they sold them?
When the limbs are amputated, are them usually braked? Are in gangrene? Are virus relevant?

Did he accuse the snakes to bite and inject venom?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:11 pm

Earnest wrote:Reason = connected to explosions? Yesish Nuclear bombs? Radiations? Pollution? No to these

Did they relevantly lose their limbs? Well, it mattered (to them, and to the puzzle) that they lost their limbs I mean because it was necessary to survive? No If not did they choose to lose them? Yes By amputation? All the limbs were amputated, yes Did they sold them? No
When the limbs are amputated, are them usually braked? They weren't already broken, if that's what you mean?Are in gangrene? Unlikely Are virus relevant? No

Did he accuse the snakes to bite and inject venom? He didn't accuse them of having already done so, but he said they were LIKELY to... this is relevant
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] One Armed Bandits

Postby Earnest » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:33 am

Was it during a war? Were the limbs in perfect condition (not injured nor poisoned nor in a bad status) when amputated? Did doctoors agreed in amputating them? Was it during a war?

Were arms and legs amputated to avoid something to happen? Were the limbs of the same side of the body amputated to each one? Relevant what was done with the amputated limbs?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:58 am

Earnest wrote:Was it during a war? No Were the limbs in perfect condition (not injured nor poisoned nor in a bad status) when amputated? Yes Did doctoors agreed in amputating them? No Was it during a war? Still no :D

Were arms and legs amputated to avoid something to happen? No Were the limbs of the same side of the body amputated to each one? No Relevant what was done with the amputated limbs? No
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] One Armed Bandits

Postby peter365 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:46 am

Did somebody benefit financially ? Is there some black market activity going on here? Were the individuals pressured into having the limbs removed? They weren't removed surgically correct? Did they remove their own limbs? Is there some sort of shared mania going on?

This puzzle has a dark feel to it.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:01 am

peter365 wrote:Did somebody benefit financially ? Yes Is there some black market activity going on here? No Were the individuals pressured into having the limbs removed? No They weren't removed surgically correct? Correct Did they remove their own limbs? In most cases yes, though it's possible some had help Is there some sort of shared mania going on? No

This puzzle has a dark feel to it. Bwa-ha-ha-ha
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] One Armed Bandits

Postby Earnest » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:02 pm

Wow...well I'm fine with my nos...at least they are useful in excluding some false path ;p

Anyway...they decide to lose their limbs...in losing their limbs do they gain financially something? Or did someone else? Was the 1/10 of population a special fraction of it? Like old people? Workers of a specific category? People that already had an handicap? People who were going to die soon? Dead people who ask to remove once they are died? Did they remove the entire limb? (To be sure...they were not prothesis right? Real arms and legs made of bones, real skin...?)

Was it to attract tpurists? People from other countries? To gain money? To avoid to lose money?
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Postby Balin » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:38 pm

Is the population exactly 10? Or some other low multiple of 10?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] One Armed Bandits

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:55 pm

Earnest wrote:Wow...well I'm fine with my nos...at least they are useful in excluding some false path ;p :lol:

Anyway...they decide to lose their limbs... Yes in losing their limbs do they gain financially something? Yes Or did someone else? No Was the 1/10 of population a special fraction of it? No Like old people? Workers of a specific category? People that already had an handicap? People who were going to die soon? Dead people who ask to remove once they are died? No to all Did they remove the entire limb? I think it varied (To be sure...they were not prothesis right? No, they were their actual real limbs Real arms and legs made of bones, real skin...?) yes

Was it to attract tpurists? No People from other countries? No To gain money? Yes To avoid to lose money? No
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] One Armed Bandits

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:57 pm

Balin wrote:Is the population exactly 10? Or some other low multiple of 10?
No, I think the total population was about 700
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Postby Balin » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:38 pm

Are the limb-losers committing fraud? Insurance relevant? Any other crime being committed?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:57 pm

Balin wrote:Are the limb-losers committing fraud? Yes Insurance relevant? Yes Any other crime being committed? No


Well done 8-) Now you just need to work out the bit about the snakes.
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Postby Balin » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:04 pm

Did they blame the snakes for the loss of limbs? Due to being bitten? Constricted?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:20 pm

Balin wrote:Did they blame the snakes for the loss of limbs? No, it was pretty obvious their injuries were not caused by snake bites Due to being bitten? Constricted? These two things are tangentially relevant though
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Postby WiZ » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:03 pm

Even if he didn't blame them directly for his injuries, did he somehow implicate snakes in his insurance scheme? Would one/some of the lies he told only be plausible if there were snakes in the area?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:25 am

WiZ wrote:Even if he didn't blame them directly for his injuries, did he somehow implicate snakes in his insurance scheme? Yes(ish) DOYD 'implicate' Would one/some of the lies he told only be plausible if there were snakes in the area?Yes, definitely
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Postby peter365 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:39 am

Don't tell me they claimed to have confused their own arm for a snake and in trying to kill it accidently cut it off?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:45 am

peter365 wrote:Don't tell me they claimed to have confused their own arm for a snake and in trying to kill it accidently cut it off? :lol: No.


However, you are going vaguely in the right direction.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:58 am

A reminder at this point may be useful re the snakes... Earnest said,

Did he accuse the snakes to bite and inject venom?

And I replied: He didn't accuse them of having already done so, but he said they were LIKELY to... this is relevant
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:22 pm

Anything to do with the idea you should cut off a bitten body part before the venom in it courses to the rest of the body?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:45 pm

JenBurdoo wrote:Anything to do with the idea you should cut off a bitten body part before the venom in it courses to the rest of the body?
YES
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Postby Zanreo » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:49 pm

So were they pretending they had been bitten by venomous snakes and got their limbs amputated because of this? And after said limbs had been cut off it would be impossible to prove whether the missing limb had actually been bitten before it was cut?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:59 pm

Zanreo wrote:So were they pretending they had been bitten by venomous snakes and got their limbs amputated because of this? And after said limbs had been cut off it would be impossible to prove whether the missing limb had actually been bitten before it was cut? No, but very much OTRT
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:50 pm

*****************************RECAP*************************

Here's a recap of your progress so far:-

THE LIMBS
Over a number of years 1/10 of the population insured themselves against loss of limbs, and in due course they deliberately cut off a limb (or part thereof), then claimed the money on their insurance policies.

THE SNAKES
No snake bit any of the local residents. The man did not accuse the local snakes of having already bitten anyone... but he DID say they were LIKELY to...

In the event you get bitten on a limb by a snake, you should do something to the limb before the venom in it courses to the rest of your body and poisons you. This action is NOT removing the limb.

The man gave an explanation to the doctor and insurance inspector for something. This explanation was plausible because there were snakes in the area.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] One Armed Bandits *with recap*

Postby Acridian9 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:47 am

What you usually do when bitten by a nake is to stop venom spreading by tying a lace around the bitten limb in a point above the bite.....relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:16 am

Acridian9 wrote:What you usually do when bitten by a nake is to stop venom spreading by tying a lace around the bitten limb in a point above the bite.....relevant?
YES. It’s called a tourniquet.
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Postby Acridian9 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:58 am

Did the man use a tourniquette? To severe his limb?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:24 am

Acridian9 wrote:Did the man use a tourniquette? To severe his limb? Yes
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] One Armed Bandits *with recap*

Postby Acridian9 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:53 pm

Did the doctor/insurance inspector know the man cut his own limb? Did they only suspect it?
Did the man give an explanation about why he cut his limb? About how he cut his limb?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:39 pm

Acridian9 wrote:Did the doctor/insurance inspector know the man cut his own limb? Did they only suspect it? They were pretty sure but they couldn't prove it
Did the man give an explanation about why he cut his limb? About how he cut his limb? Yes, he said it was a farming machinery mishap
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Postby Acridian9 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:45 pm

Is the explanation about the farming machinery mishap the one related to snakes?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:59 pm

Acridian9 wrote:Is the explanation about the farming machinery mishap the one related to snakes? Yes. Basically, we need to know what he said to the attending doctor + insurance inspector.
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Postby Acridian9 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:14 am

Did he mention the tourniquet in the explanation?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:15 am

Acridian9 wrote:Did he mention the tourniquet in the explanation? Yes
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Postby Acridian9 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:20 am

Did he said he used the tourniquet to stop bleading after the farming machinery accident?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:27 am

Acridian9 wrote:Did he said he used the tourniquet to stop bleading after the farming machinery accident?
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Postby Acridian9 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:40 am

Ok, so he said he had a farming machinery accident and used the tourniquet....no snakes up to now, not even mentioned, right?
Did he say he knew how to use a tourniquet because he was once bitten by a snake? because he once helped someone else bitten by a snake? or just because he could be bitten by a snake?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:50 am

Acridian9 wrote:Ok, so he said he had a farming machinery accident and used the tourniquet.... Yes no snakes up to now, not even mentioned, right? Correct
Did he say he knew how to use a tourniquet because he was once bitten by a snake? because he once helped someone else bitten by a snake? or just because he could be bitten by a snake? This last one.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] One Armed Bandits *with recap*

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:18 pm

************************$POILER**************************

In the 1950's and 1960's, Vernon, FLA (or 'Stump City' as it came to be known) was a very poor town with a quarter of the residents below the poverty line. Over that period, about 50 people solved this by losing part of a limb then claiming on the insurance. They did this by having shooting or farming 'accidents'. The insurance companies tried to bring lawsuits against some of the citizens, but didn't manage to get any convictions.

In one case, the insurance inspector asked a resident why he 'just happened' to have a tourniquet with him when he 'accidentally' lost a foot while ploughing. The resident's answer was that the area was rife with 'varmint snakes' who would bite you as soon as look at you, so he carried a tourniquet at all times, just in case.

The accidents stopped happening when the insurance companies put their premiums up so high that the residents couldn't afford them.

Well done Acridian9 for the solve, and to everyone else who took part :D
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