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[Balin] With a capital T

Postby Balin » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:48 pm

A young man gets in trouble one day. This saves him from getting in worse trouble the next day. How?

Young man = "him" = H/A/M
And as you might have guessed I found this one on Reddit
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:29 pm

‘Trouble’ with a capital T? Or some other word? Relevant that he’s young and male? Drinking or fighting relevant (not that I’m stereotyping at all!)?
Is anyone else involved? Location relevant?
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby Enjay » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:35 pm

Does the man get in trouble with the police? With another authority? With his parents?

Does he get put in jail? Or otherwise has his movements limited because of getting in trouble? Which prevents him from getting in worse trouble the next day?
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby Balin » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:57 pm

‘Trouble’ with a capital T? Yes, just a little Music Man reference that has nothing to do with the puzzle Or some other word?
Relevant that he’s young and male? No (in fact, I just learned the person who posted this story on Reddit is female - whoops) Drinking or fighting relevant (not that I’m stereotyping at all!)? No
Is anyone else involved? Yes, two people Location relevant? DOYD of "location"

Does the man get in trouble with the police? Yes With another authority? No With his parents? No

Does he get put in jail? No Or otherwise has his movements limited because of getting in trouble? No Which prevents him from getting in worse trouble the next day? No
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:25 am

So 3 people in total, or 2? All HAM? Is he outdoors or indoors when he gets into trouble? Has he actually committed a crime? Received a warning? Incited something? Is he innocent? Money involved, drink? Do the others get in trouble too? Same question next day?
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby trebor » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:15 am

Does he get in trouble for a vehicular-related infraction? Is he of legal driving age? Relevant? When you said he gets in trouble with the police, are we to take it that the police were the other two relevant people? Or is it him, the police, and two other people that are relevant? If the latter, are the two people his parents?

Is school relevant? Is his employment status relevant?
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby Earnest » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:26 am

Was him stopped by police and then being late for something? Get in trouble with police = a huge trouble? A small infraction? In street?

Relevant the part of the day in which he got in trouble? Alcohol?
Trouble after = again potentially troubles woth police? Other types of trouble?
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby Balin » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:03 pm

So 3 people in total, or 2? Three All HAM? Yes (although see my earlier "whoops")
Is he outdoors or indoors when he gets into trouble? Outdoors, see below Has he actually committed a crime? Yes Received a warning? No Incited something? No Is he innocent? No Money involved, drink? Neither Do the others get in trouble too? No Same question next day? All the same except a Yes to "Received a warning?"

Does he get in trouble for a vehicular-related infraction? Yes (both times) Is he of legal driving age? Yes Relevant? Yes When you said he gets in trouble with the police, are we to take it that the police were the other two relevant people? Yes Or is it him, the police, and two other people that are relevant? No If the latter, are the two people his parents? It's not the latter so No

Is school relevant? Is his employment status relevant? No to both

Was him stopped by police and then being late for something? No Get in trouble with police = a huge trouble? No A small infraction? Yes In street? Yes

Relevant the part of the day in which he got in trouble? No Alcohol? No
Trouble after = again potentially troubles woth police? Yes, see above Other types of trouble?
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:42 pm

Just to double check, he just gets told off the first day but no warning, warning on day 2... or is it the other way round?
Was it the SAME infraction both times? Both vehicle infractions? When he gets the warning, do they take him down the police station in order to do this? (That's how it works in the UK). Relevant?
Does his telling off from the police prevent him from getting in further trouble? Would he have got into worse trouble on the second day if he hadn't been told off on the first?
Was the infraction: parking, speeding, wrong way down one way street or other traffic infraction, taking without consent, other? Relevant?
Did the police discover something about him after the first time?
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby Earnest » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:26 pm

Was his driving license suspended? Was his car taken by policemen? Is the trouble due to a parking lot? Did the policemen mage him pay a fine for the infraction? Did the policemen stops the man and ask him the driving license the first time? Relevant? Is high speed involved?
Did police stopped him the second day? If so in the same piece if street? Was police in a place with a car and stopped cars randomly? Or were policemen in the car driving a stopped him specifically? Was him stopped the first time in the same piece of street where he could have been had huge troubles the second time? Was he used to drive in that piece of street? Was him stopped by police before from the same infraction? If so in the same piece of steeet? Did he drive a truck? If so relevant what he was transporting? The weight of the truck?

Does the inflaction (the first) mainly related to: speed? Parking? Height of the vehicle? Dimensions of the vehicle? Direction of travel? Illegal transportations? Illegal status of the driver (drugs...)? Driving in a street where just some vehicles were allowed to pass? Driving at the phone? Driving without sit belt secured?

To be sure...was he driviing? Someone else? Was him in a car?
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby Balin » Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:28 pm

Just to double check, he just gets told off the first day but no warning, warning on day 2... or is it the other way round? He gets a ticket on Day 1, a warning on Day 2
Was it the SAME infraction both times? No, but irrel Both vehicle infractions? Yes When he gets the warning, do they take him down the police station in order to do this? No (That's how it works in the UK). I didn't know that! In the US, for minor vehicular offenses, you get pulled over to the side of the road, the officer takes your license and registration, then gives you a ticket or warning Relevant? Yes
Does his telling off from the police prevent him from getting in further trouble? His getting the ticket on Day 1 does prevent further trouble on Day 2 Would he have got into worse trouble on the second day if he hadn't been told off on the first? Yes
Was the infraction: parking, speeding, wrong way down one way street or other traffic infraction, taking without consent, other? Relevant? One was an illegal turn, the other was for cutting off a police car (probably "reckless driving"). But exact infractions are irrel.
Did the police discover something about him after the first time? No

Was his driving license suspended? No Was his car taken by policemen? No Is the trouble due to a parking lot? No Did the policemen mage him pay a fine for the infraction? For the first one Did the policemen stops the man and ask him the driving license the first time? Yes Relevant? Yes Is high speed involved? No/irrel
Did police stopped him the second day? Yes If so in the same piece if street? No Was police in a place with a car and stopped cars randomly? No Or were policemen in the car driving a stopped him specifically? Yes Was him stopped the first time in the same piece of street where he could have been had huge troubles the second time? Exact places of stoppage irrel Was he used to drive in that piece of street? Irrel Was him stopped by police before from the same infraction? Irrel If so in the same piece of steeet? Irrel
Did he drive a truck? No If so relevant what he was transporting? The weight of the truck?

Does the inflaction (the first) mainly related to: speed? Parking? Height of the vehicle? Dimensions of the vehicle? Direction of travel? Illegal transportations? Illegal status of the driver (drugs...)? Driving in a street where just some vehicles were allowed to pass? Driving at the phone? Driving without sit belt secured? See above; exact infractions irrel

To be sure...was he driviing? Yes Someone else? No Was him in a car? Yes
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby trebor » Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:51 pm

At the moment that the worse thing would’ve happened on Day 2 was he aware that he had avoided it? Did his getting the ticket on the first day mean he altered his behavior/routine on the second day? That he brought something with him the next day (perhaps he didn’t have his wallet with him when he was pulled over and realized he should bring it with him subsequently?)

Did the police point out something faulty/missing with his vehicle on day one that he was able to fix by day two, thereby avoiding a ticket? Was his license about to expire?
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Postby Balin » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:23 pm

At the moment that the worse thing would’ve happened on Day 2 was he aware that he had avoided it? Yes Did his getting the ticket on the first day mean he altered his behavior/routine on the second day? No That he brought something with him the next day Yope (perhaps he didn’t have his wallet with him when he was pulled over and realized he should bring it with him subsequently?) No, but very much OTRT!

Did the police point out something faulty/missing with his vehicle on day one that he was able to fix by day two, thereby avoiding a ticket? No Was his license about to expire? No
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:36 am

Was he a policeman, sheriff or someone else who might have special privileges on the road? Was his brother a policeman etc? Did he have a twin who looked like him? Did he cause some kind of situation which was favourable by cutting off the police car? Did the policeman realise somehow that he shouldn't have given him a ticket the previous day, or shouldn't on the next day? Did he forget his license on either day? Did he have a gun? Did he have a hamburger? Or some other relevant item?
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby Balin » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:29 pm

Sorry I've been lax in forum appearances.

Was he a policeman, sheriff or someone else who might have special privileges on the road? Was his brother a policeman etc? Did he have a twin who looked like him? Did he cause some kind of situation which was favourable by cutting off the police car? Did the policeman realise somehow that he shouldn't have given him a ticket the previous day, or shouldn't on the next day? No to all these Did he forget his license on either day? Yes, very good q! Did he have a gun? No Did he have a hamburger? No Or some other relevant item? He had a relevant item, yes
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby trebor » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:20 pm

Did he forget his license the first day? The second? Both days? Did he intentionally not bring something with him the second day? Did he have the relevant item with him the day he forgot his license? The other day? Is it an item that most Americans would own? That most non-Americans would own? Is it something related to his schooling? Something related to him driving? (A learner's sticker or something like that?) Does he have a bank statement with him? Something else showing he doesn't have the funds to pay another ticket? Is the item a common household thing?

Did the second policeman not issue a ticket out of pity/sympathy for him? Because it would've been illegal to issue a ticket? Because it benefitted him (the policeman) not to? Did OH bribe the second policeman?
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby Balin » Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:31 pm

Did he forget his license the first day? The second? Both days? The second
Did he intentionally not bring something with him the second day? no Did he have the relevant item with him the day he forgot his license? Yes The other day? No
Is it an item that most Americans would own? "Own"? No That most non-Americans would own? Same as previous Is it something related to his schooling? No Something related to him driving? Yes (A learner's sticker or something like that?) But not these Does he have a bank statement with him? No Something else showing he doesn't have the funds to pay another ticket? No Is the item a common household thing? No

Did the second policeman not issue a ticket out of pity/sympathy for him? No Because it would've been illegal to issue a ticket? No Because it benefitted him (the policeman) not to? No Did OH bribe the second policeman? No
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:53 am

Car insurance, Log book/car ownership documents, road tax, MOT? Did he forget his manners? Maybe the second day he was rude to the policeman so he got given the ticket for the violation... and the first day he was polite and got let off?
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby trebor » Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:32 am

Is the item a living thing? (I'm thinking of him bringing a driving instructor along, but we've established it's only him and the police who are relevant to the puzzle.) Is it something people possess? Borrow? Is it a tangible thing?
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby Balin » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:32 pm

Car insurance, Log book/car ownership documents, road tax, MOT? Did he forget his manners? No to all
Maybe the second day he was rude to the policeman so he got given the ticket for the violation... and the first day he was polite and got let off? No, he got a ticket on the first day and not the second

Is the item a living thing? No (I'm thinking of him bringing a driving instructor along, but we've established it's only him and the police who are relevant to the puzzle.) Is it something people possess? Yes, briefly Borrow? No Is it a tangible thing? Yes
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby Balin » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:06 pm

RECAP:
The man committed two driving offenses on two consecutive days. On the first day, he received a ticket. On the second day, he forgot his license, but was able to provide proof of license/registration with another item, and he only received a warning.

What was the item he gave the officer on the second day?
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby Enjay » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:57 pm

Was the item a document of some kind? Did it have his name on? His photo? His car details? His license details? Did it prove who he was? Did it prove that he had a license? That he was permitted to drive that car? Was it something that would often be used in this way? Did he give the item to the policeman? Did the policeman give it back? Keep it permanently?

Did he only receive a warning because the policeman felt the offence was not severe enough to warrant a ticket? Because the policeman felt his offence was excused in some way? Because the policeman felt positively towards the man? If so, because of the item? Did the item give the policeman some information about the man that he hadn't had before?

Sorry if these have been asked already - was he stopped by the same policeman both days? Relevant? Was his not having his license on the second day a direct result of having been stopped the first day? Did he put it away somewhere different after showing it to the policeman? Did the policeman confiscate it?
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:29 pm

Was the item he gave the officer the second day the ticket from the first day, or proof that he'd paid the fine? (that'd certainly be an interesting way to avoid two tickets...)
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T

Postby Balin » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:53 pm

Was the item he gave the officer the second day the ticket from the first day? And Kaylee returns with a finishing blow.

****SPOILER****

(As you may have guessed, I'm getting approximately 90% of my recent puzzles from Reddit, and this is another one. And as I mentioned earlier, I realized after posting the puzzle that the Redditor who originally commented this story is a woman, but it was too late to change pronouns.)

The man got a ticket for an illegal turn. The next day, he was pulled over for another traffic violation, but had forgotten his license and registration at home. So he gave the officer the ticket from the previous day as proof of license and registration, and was able to get off with a warning.
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Re: [Balin] With a capital T (*OUT OF TROUBLE*)

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:28 pm

wow, I didn't expect that to actually be it!
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