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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:00 pm

In 16th century Hungary there was a method of execution involving a horse and a bone. 
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:25 pm

Execution: killing a condemned human? Performing a task? Horse: the animal? Living? Wild? Tamed? Bone: part of a skeleton? Human bone? Animal? Alive? If so, part of the horse? Of the condemned human? Does the execution cause suffering?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:38 pm

GalFisk wrote:Execution: killing a condemned human? Yes Performing a task? The task of killing a human, yes Horse: the animal? Yes Living? Initially Wild? No Tamed? Yes Bone: part of a skeleton? Yes Human bone? No Animal? Yes Alive? No If so, part of the horse? No Of the condemned human? No Does the execution cause suffering? Yes
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:00 pm

Does the horse also die in the execution? Does the horse belong to the condemned? Is the bone a horse bone? Is the bone modified? Damaged? Used in a mechanical fashion? Used for its chemical properties? Does the victim die within: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Cause of death: cold? Heat? Poison? Suffocation? Strangulation? Drowning? Poisoning? Disease? Impact? Blunt force? Sharp? Blood loss? Organ damage? Brain trauma? Decapitation? Fire? Is the victim dragged? Hung? Dropped? Flung? Burned? I?Killed by the horse? By other animal(s)? Killed on the horse? Are horses relevant to the crime? Is the crime relevant? Is this punishment especially severe? Does it require more people than one executioner to perform? Is it performed in public? Relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:58 pm

GalFisk wrote:Does the horse also die in the execution? Yes Does the horse belong to the condemned? If the condemned has a horse in their family then probably Is the bone a horse bone? Some farm animal, I'm not sure Is the bone modified? It would be a cut piece of bone Damaged? Used in a mechanical fashion? Yes Used for its chemical properties? No Does the victim die within: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Possibly this Days? Possibly this Weeks? Months? Years? Cause of death: cold? Possibly this...Heat? Poison? Suffocation? ... and possibly this Strangulation? Drowning? Poisoning? Disease? ... and possibly this Impact? Blunt force? Sharp? Blood loss? Organ damage? Brain trauma? Decapitation? Fire? Is the victim dragged? Hung? Dropped? Flung? Burned? I?Killed by the horse? Yope By other animal(s)? Killed on the horse? Are horses relevant to the crime? Sometimes Is the crime relevant? Sometimes Is this punishment especially severe? Yes Does it require more people than one executioner to perform? Yes Is it performed in public? Yes Relevant? Yes
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Postby WiZ » Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:09 pm

Does the condemned die by eating the horse or drinking its blood?

In the course of the execution, does the bone come into contact with the condemned? Does the horse?

Is exposure relevant? Are they placed in a hostile environment (extreme cold, poisonous air/water)?

Is the horse dead before the operative part of the execution is put into play?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:39 pm

WiZ wrote:Does the condemned die by eating the horse or drinking its blood? No

In the course of the execution, does the bone come into contact with the condemned? Yes Does the horse? Yes

Is exposure relevant? Possibly, DOYD of 'exposure' Are they placed in a hostile environment (extreme cold, poisonous air/water)? The condemned is - explore; not the horse

Is the horse dead before the operative part of the execution is put into play? DOYD of 'operative'...
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Postby WiZ » Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:49 pm

Is the condemned put inside the horse?!
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:14 am

WiZ wrote:Is the condemned put inside the horse?! Yes!
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:12 pm

Is the condemned prevented from leaving by means of the bone? Is the bone used to open the horse? Does the dead horse relevantly attract other animals?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:31 pm

GalFisk wrote:Is the condemned prevented from leaving Yes... by means of the bone? but not this Is the bone used to open the horse? no Does the dead horse relevantly attract other animals? yes
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:25 am

So the person is trapped inside the horse somehow? Then the dead horse is left to be eaten by wild animals? Which will also kill and eat the person inside?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:11 am

Zanreo wrote:So the person is trapped inside the horse somehow? Yes Then the dead horse is left to be eaten by wild animals? Yope, FA Which will also kill and eat the person inside? Yope,
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Apr 10, 2018 4:43 pm

Is the bone present when the condemned dies? Is it used before the horse is killed? Is the size of the bone relevant? Shape? Is it fashioned into a tool? Weapon? Is it used to ensure the condemned dies? To attract the animals? Does the dead horse relevantly attract insects? Birds? Mammals? Reptiles?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:19 pm

GalFisk wrote:Is the bone present when the condemned dies? Yes Is it used before the horse is killed? No Is the size of the bone relevant? Yes Shape? Yes Is it fashioned into a tool? Yes Weapon? No Is it used to ensure the condemned dies? No To attract the animals? No Does the dead horse relevantly attract insects? Yes Birds? Mammals? Reptiles?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:22 pm

Is the horse put on the ground? On or near a nest? Suspended in the air? Does the bone keep the horse in place? Keep the condemned from doing sonething? Force the condemned to do something? Is the bone tool sharp? Is it a needle? Knife? Club?
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Postby trebor » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:38 pm

Is it the insects that cause the condemned’s death? Are the insects mosquitoes? Do the insects transmit something to him? Bite him? Infest him? Relevantly deposit their waste somehow? Attract something/someone else to the horse?

Is the condemned man physically restrained within the horse? Is the horse sewn up again with the condemned person inside?

Is the bone used by the condemned person? To hasten their death? Is the gender of the person relevant? Would it be useful to figure out exactly which crime(s) this method of execution was used for? Was it relevantly used for one gender more than another?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:40 pm

GalFisk wrote:Is the horse put on the ground? Yes On or near a nest? No Suspended in the air? No Does the bone keep the horse in place? No Keep the condemned from doing sonething? Yesish Force the condemned to do something? No Is the bone tool sharp? No or irrel Is it a needle? No Knife? No Club? No
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Postby trebor » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:26 pm

I think you missed my questions.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:20 am

trebor wrote:I think you missed my questions.


Sorry! Coming up...
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Re: (invisiblemimsy) Rag 'n' Bone Man

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:27 am

trebor wrote:Is it the insects that cause the condemned’s death? Partly,
yes
Are the insects mosquitoes? No Do the insects transmit something to him? Bite him? Infest him? All, but this in particular Relevantly deposit their waste somehow? Attract something/someone else to the horse?

Is the condemned man physically restrained within the horse? Yes Is the horse sewn up again with the condemned person inside? Yes

Is the bone used by the condemned person? Yes To hasten their death? No Is the gender of the person relevant? No Would it be useful to figure out exactly which crime(s) this method of execution was used for? Irrel, but it would probably be for stealing, including theft of horses Was it relevantly used for one gender more than another? No
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Re: (invisiblemimsy) Rag 'n' Bone Man

Postby peter365 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:13 am

Wow this is one harsh form of punishment.

Is the bone used by the condemned to create an airway?
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Re: (invisiblemimsy) Rag 'n' Bone Man

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:26 pm

peter365 wrote:Wow this is one harsh form of punishment. Yes, awful.
Is the bone used by the condemned to create an airway? Yes, exactly.



******************$POILER**********************

In 16th century Hungary there was a brutal method of execution used for horse thieves, and possibly for other thefts too. These executions would have been in public. A horse was restrained, cut open and eviscerated. The condemned was forced to climb inside the horse, which was then stitched up. A piece of hollow bone was used as an airway through the horse's side. Insects came... then maggots. I don't know how long it would have taken to die.

Well done to peter365 for the solution, and to Galfisk, Wiz, Zanreo and Trebor for taking part!

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Re: (invisiblemimsy) Rag 'n' Bone Man [RIP]

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:22 am

...Ew. *shudders* That's awful and disgusting. Wonderful puzzle, but horrifically brutal *shudders again* Wouldn't they fight something like that? I can't imagine them just meekly crawling into the eviscerated horse...Excellent puzzle though!
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Re: (invisiblemimsy) Rag 'n' Bone Man [RIP]

Postby peter365 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:13 am

The middle age torture methods were horrendous. The magnificent Hardcore History podcast did a recent episode on that very subject. Not for the faint hearted.
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Re: (invisiblemimsy) Rag 'n' Bone Man [RIP]

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:56 am

I know, awful! I should imagine they must have had several massive blokes to force the condemned into the horse and keep him/her there while it was sewn up. At least one woman died this way, too.

I have another death puzzle here which is even worse, bwa-ha-ha!
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