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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:01 am

Karaoke pubs/bars don't like this particular song, and many ban it. Why, and what is the song?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid

Postby Zanreo » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:04 am

Is it annoying? Offensive? Insulting?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:09 am

Zanreo wrote:Is it annoying? Offensive? Insulting? No to all
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid

Postby Zanreo » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:17 am

Is it often sung for a particular, unintended reason? And this is why they ban it? Does it often end up not being sung after all after being requested?
Is there a relevant "when" they started banning it?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:24 am

Do people keep choosing it by accident? In the mistaken belief that it's another song, or as a quirk of the selection process on the computer equipment?

Is it overly popular?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:29 am

Zanreo wrote:Is it often sung for a particular, unintended reason? Possibly,
in a broad sense... could you be more specific?
And this is why they ban it? Not sure, see prev Does it often end up not being sung after all after being requested? Well, no... because they ban it. If you mean - in pubs which do allow it - they request it, then they sing it.
Is there a relevant "when" they started banning it? I'm not sure, but 21st century is my guess, and more so in the last few years.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:31 am

WiZ wrote:Do people keep choosing it by accident? In the mistaken belief that it's another song, or as a quirk of the selection process on the computer equipment? No to all

Is it overly popular? I don't know about 'overly', but it's certainly very popular.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid

Postby Balin » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:35 am

Is it often sung poorly?
Is the title of the song relevant to the reason for banning? The lyrics? The artist?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:36 am

Yeah, maybe not the best wording... has it suddenly become popular recently?
Relevant when the song is from (LTPF list of decades?)
Is it unusually long? Do people tend to sing a parody version of it rather than the original song?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:42 am

Balin wrote:Is it often sung poorly? Yes
Is the title of the song relevant to the reason for banning? No, but it is to the puzzle The lyrics? This, partly The artist?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:45 am

Zanreo wrote:Yeah, maybe not the best wording... has it suddenly become popular recently? I think it's always been popular
Relevant when the song is from (LTPF list of decades?) 1960's
Is it unusually long? No Do people tend to sing a parody version of it rather than the original song? Noish, but explore
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Postby WiZ » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:45 am

Are the lyrics in English? Are they nonsensical? Strange?

Is there a component of verbal sounds which are not words (I'm thinking of the Taiwanese chant in Enigma's Return to Innocence, or the spluttering motorcycle onomatopoeia in Crazy Frog's Axel F, both of which are good songs)? Are there sound effects? Controversial ones?

Is the poor singing to do with the difficulty of singing the song? Pronouncing/articulating lyrics well or quickly enough?
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Postby Zanreo » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:51 am

Are some of the words usually sung wrong? And does this mis-singing sound inappropiate? Annoying?
Do people wrongly remember the lyrics?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:52 am

WiZ wrote:Are the lyrics in English? Yes Are they nonsensical? No Strange? No

Is there a component of verbal sounds which are not words (I'm thinking of the Taiwanese chant in Enigma's Return to Innocence, or the spluttering motorcycle onomatopoeia in Crazy Frog's Axel F, both of which are good songs)? Are there sound effects? Controversial ones? No to all. Great songs esp. Enigma :)

Is the poor singing to do with the difficulty of singing the song? Yes,
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Pronouncing/articulating lyrics well or quickly enough? Irrel
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid

Postby Zanreo » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:00 am

Adding some more questions along with above post: Do people tend to sing the song in a particular way different than the original song? Has the song in later years gotten a remix ect. containing parts that weren't in the original... and most people try including these?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:06 am

Zanreo wrote:Are some of the words usually sung wrong? Sometimes And does this mis-singing sound inappropiate? Annoying? This, sometimes
Do people wrongly remember the lyrics? Sometimes
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Postby Balin » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:11 am

So mondegreens are involved? "'Scuse me while I kiss this guy"? "There's a bathroom on the right"?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:12 am

Zanreo wrote:Adding some more questions along with above post: Do people tend to sing the song in a particular way different than the original song? Sometimes Has the song in later years gotten a remix ect. containing parts that weren't in the original...Yes and most people try including these?
Some do
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:20 am

Balin wrote:So mondegreens are involved? "'Scuse me while I kiss this guy"? "There's a bathroom on the right"? No
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid

Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:52 am

Is the song especially long? Especially difficult to sing? Does it require a wide vocal range? Obscure or little-known words? Does it have a difficult rhythm? Is it easy to mess up? Hard to get right again once messed up? Theme of the song relevant?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:20 am

So it's gotten a remix or some kind of "new version" ...do people expect the new parts to be in the song? Do many people think the remix is the original or don't know the original version? And does this make them sing some parts of the song that isn't in the original/at the wrong time? Maybe having to suddenly/quickly correct themselves and get back to the actual words? And this is annoying to the others?

Do they maybe also request it under the name of the new version? Or are the names the same?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:40 am

GalFisk wrote:Is the song especially long? just medium length Especially difficult to sing? no, easy Does it require a wide vocal range? no Obscure or little-known words? Well known words, however... EXPLORE Does it have a difficult rhythm? Easy Is it easy to mess up?Not at all Hard to get right again once messed up? Theme of the song relevant?To some extent yes
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:59 am

Zanreo wrote:So it's gotten a remix or some kind of "new version" yes ...do people expect the new parts to be in the song? Most don’t Do many people think the remix is the original or don't know the original version? No - everybody in the western world knows the original. Only a few know the newer version And does this make them sing some parts of the song that isn't in the original/at the wrong time? Yes occasionally. Although there is a general problem with the original too. Maybe having to suddenly/quickly correct themselves and get back to the actual words? No And this is annoying to the others?

Do they maybe also request it under the name of the new version? Or are the names the same? The names are the same and it is always the original that gets played on the karaoke box.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:03 am

To clarify: There are 2 versions of this song, the original is famous and known by most everyone. There is a problem with this version which stops bars allowing it. The later version also has its own problem which is relevant. The original is the only one which gets played (in the bars which still allow it).
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid

Postby peter365 » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:11 pm

The puzzle title is an obvious play on 'Karate Kid' so is the song 'Glory of Love' by Peter Cetera?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:44 am

peter365 wrote:The puzzle title is an obvious play on 'Karate Kid' so is the song 'Glory of Love' by Peter Cetera?No. The puzzle title is irrelevant
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid

Postby peter365 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:29 am

Damn I just noticed that you had mentioned that the song was released in the 1960's so my Peter Cetera guess was way off.

Are the Beatles relevant? The Stones? Is hidden meaning of Lyrics relevant? Yellow Submarine and Hey Jude are both about drugs , anything like that?

Is there a PC reason for this? any racial overtones?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:51 am

peter365 wrote:Damn I just noticed that you had mentioned that the song was released in the 1960's so my Peter Cetera guess was way off.

Are the Beatles relevant? The Stones? Is hidden meaning of Lyrics relevant? Yellow Submarine and Hey Jude are both about drugs , anything like that? lyrics are relevant, no to rest

Is there a PC reason for this? any racial overtones? no to these
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Postby Zanreo » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:39 am

Are some of the lyrics misunderstood/misinterpreted? Sung in the wrong order?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:11 pm

Zanreo wrote:Are some of the lyrics misunderstood/misinterpreted? no Sung in the wrong order? no
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:06 pm

Does the remix have a problem only because most people only know the original? Are the lyrics about love? Money? Fame? Shame? Religion? Fortune? Misfortune? Do they have any relevant double meaning?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:24 pm

GalFisk wrote:Does the remix have a problem only because most people only know the original? No. Btw it's not a remix; it's a different version by a band.
Are the lyrics about love? Money? No Fame? Noish Shame? No Religion? No Fortune? This is closest Misfortune? No Do they have any relevant double meaning? No

The above answers relate to the original. The later version is a mix of fortune and misfortune
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:27 pm

Fortune: gambling? Career? Skill? A good life? Multiple positive things? Family? Getting away with crime relevant? Bragging? Winning something? Good luck? Superstition relevant? Charms?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:01 pm

GalFisk wrote:Fortune: gambling? No Career? Yesish Skill? yesish A good life? This Multiple positive things? Yes Family? Irr Getting away with crime relevant? No Bragging? This especially Winning something? winning in general, yes Good luck? Irr Superstition relevant? No Charms? No
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:15 pm

Does the song itself brag? Is it about someone who brags? Is bragging negative in the contact of the song? Positive? Is it satirical?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:25 pm

GalFisk wrote:Does the song itself brag? not sure what you mean... I think yes Is it about someone who brags? yes Is bragging negative in the contact of the song? Positive? its meant to be yes Is it satirical? no
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:09 am

Is the song sung in first person ("I am great/do good/have great tings)? Second ("you are great etc")? Unnamed third person (he/she)? Named thid person ("Joe Average it way above average")? Is it about the future ("Joe will do great things")? Present ("I'm so awesome")? Past ("He was such a groovy guy")?
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Postby peter365 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:55 pm

A lot of Karaoke's i've attended have had more than their share of Elvis songs, is he the original artist?

If not is the original by a solo singer or a band? Have we ascertained when the cover version was released? 70s? 80s? 90s? 00s? this decade (not sure what we're calling that)?

Did they materially change the song? the title? by adding more lyrics? Did they change its meaning or perception?

Not sure how to phrase this but does the new version somehow denigrate pubs ? Karaoke?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:54 am

GalFisk wrote:Is the song sung in first person ("I am great/do good/have great tings)? Second ("you are great etc")? Unnamed third person (he/she)? Named thid person ("Joe Average it way above average")? Is it about the future ("Joe will do great things")? Present ("I'm so awesome")? Past ("He was such a groovy guy")?

First person, past.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:02 am

peter365 wrote:A lot of Karaoke's i've attended have had more than their share of Elvis songs, is he the original artist? No

If not is the original by a solo singer or a band? Solo, and the cover was a band Have we ascertained when the cover version was released? 70s? 80s? 90s? 00s? Yes,
& 60's
this decade (not sure what we're calling that)? Teenies?

Did they materially change the song? the title? by adding more lyrics? This Did they change its meaning or perception? Yes... and the 'feel' and 'mood'

Not sure how to phrase this but does the new version somehow denigrate pubs ? Karaoke?No
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Postby Zanreo » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:13 am

Did the extra lyrics make the song feel sad? Sarcastic? Do they make what's been said before not matter? Is the new version another genre than the original?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:44 pm

Zanreo wrote:Did the extra lyrics make the song feel sad? No Sarcastic? Yes Do they make what's been said before not matter? Is the new version another genre than the original? Yes
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Postby Zanreo » Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:17 am

Are the extra lyrics at the end of the song? Do the karaoke places feel adding these extra lines "ruin" the original? Does it usually get sung in a way more appropiate for the newer version? Would it usually be sung (if it was still/where it's still allowed) during a certain type of event/situation/ect?
Was the new version made in (list of decades)?
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:24 pm

Reactions of other patrons to the song relevant?
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Postby biograd » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:39 pm

Is the problem about the original that it might provoke some bar patrons to do stupid things? that it encourages drunkenness? that it might offend someone? Would a karaoke event that does NOT have alcohol present (there can't be many of those, but to the extent there are...) have any reason to ban either version? the same reason?

Is the good fortune in the original version ill-gotten?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Apr 28, 2018 1:03 pm

Zanreo wrote:Are the extra lyrics at the end of the song? No & irrelDo the karaoke places feel adding these extra lines "ruin" the original? Poss but irrel Does it usually get sung in a way more appropiate for the newer version? No Would it usually be sung (if it was still/where it's still allowed) during a certain type of event/situation/ect? No, just whenever the customers felt like singing it.
Was the new version made in (list of decades)?
The original was 1969, the cover version was 1978
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Postby Zanreo » Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:50 pm

Is the artist also well-known, since the song is? Does the song have a dance or other movements associated with it? Other behavior? If yes, do the singers often try dancing/moving along with the song? Do the other guests?

(also you missed some questions above)
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Postby trebor » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:33 pm

PM sent.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:00 pm

GalFisk wrote:Reactions of other patrons to the song relevant? Yes
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:03 pm

biograd wrote:Is the problem about the original that it might provoke some bar patrons to do stupid things? Yes that it encourages drunkenness? Yes that it might offend someone? Yes, in the case of the second version Would a karaoke event that does NOT have alcohol present (there can't be many of those, but to the extent there are...) have any reason to ban either version? the same reason? Unlikely, but there could be offence caused by the lyrics of the second version

Is the good fortune in the original version ill-gotten? I don't think so... depends how you interpret it I guess.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:08 pm

Zanreo wrote:Is the artist also well-known, since the song is? Very Does the song have a dance or other movements associated with it? No Other behavior? No If yes, do the singers often try dancing/moving along with the song? Do the other guests? Yes, both singers and guests sometimes sing and move/dance with the song

(also you missed some questions above) Sorry!
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:22 pm

I had a PM from trebor with the following:-

"I’m betting the solution is something I’ve heard of regarding incidents of violence related to performances of “My Way”. I think people get upset when the song is over-done and when it’s done by some poor schmuck who doesn’t have the swagger or bragging rights to pull it off the way Old Blue Eyes (or the Sex Pistols) did. I think I read that in Japan there have been shootings over it."

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The song 'My Way' by Frank Sinatra is a popular choice at karaoke pubs and bars. More than any other song, this song lends itself too often to rowdiness, people swaying drunkenly from side to side and falling over, and sometimes descends into fighting. In addition, a cover version by Sid Vicious of the Sex Pistols has alternative words which can cause further offence. Many landlords choose not to allow the song for these reasons.

Thanks to everyone who took part and to Trebor for the final solve :-)
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid [YOU'RE BARRED!]

Postby WiZ » Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:56 pm

Thanks for the puzzle. I think I would have been guessing well into the triple figures. Funny to think that this song that incites so much barbarism is the most popular choice to play at funerals (in the UK, at least).
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:04 pm

Wow, is it? I did not know that. I can think of nothing worse!
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Postby trebor » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:48 pm

Here’s a link to a Wikipedia article talking about it. I’d read about it elsewhere, and certainly got the country wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Way_killings
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:53 pm

:o
I'm shocked! I had no idea it was that bad. I was just talking about the UK, but perhaps there IS some inherent evil in the song!
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid [YOU'RE BARRED!]

Postby biograd » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:35 am

Wow, I NEVER would have guessed that one! It certainly doesn't sound like a rowdy song--it sounds like an old guy lounging around reminiscing on his younger days. The only connection I would have drawn between that song and crazy behavior is its reference in the Bon Jovi song "It's My Life", whose video in turn shows some pretty wild parkour-type stuff. I'd think the Bon Jovi song would get people partying a lot more than the Frank Sinatra song it references, and it's one of my own favorites at karaoke!
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid [YOU'RE BARRED!]

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:31 am

Really? You must be made of sterner stuff than me. Karaoke in general makes me depressed, especially that song!
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Postby biograd » Tue May 01, 2018 1:38 pm

Bon Jovi makes you depressed? All their songs are so enthusiastic and fun!
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid [YOU'RE BARRED!]

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue May 01, 2018 2:32 pm

Lol, I actually meant My Way. But I don't like Bon Jovi songs, and karaoke Bon Jovi is execrable!
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid [YOU'RE BARRED!]

Postby irishelk » Thu May 03, 2018 12:40 pm

Ok, my two theories on the Phillippines "My Way" shootings:

Either, 1) As trebor and mimsy say, it's a song that requires a lot of confidence and panache, and is incredibly self-serving, on top of the fact that karaoke is a very self-involved, show-off-y activity in the first place. So if you happen to hate the person singing it, their level of smugness might put you in a blind rage.

Or 2) There's a lot of violence in bars, and a lot of karaoke in Filipino bars, and a lot of "My Way" in karaoke, so it's just a matter of statistics?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Karaoke Kid [YOU'RE BARRED!]

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu May 03, 2018 1:03 pm

I'm inclined to think it's 1... both in Philippino bars and English ones.
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