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[Balin] Bob and we've

Postby Balin » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:05 pm

Why did a large group of people become mortified upon seeing a seven-month-old photograph?
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Postby Doriana » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:32 pm

Large group of people = Less than 10 people? less than 100? less than 1000? more than that?

Did they see the photograph in a newspaper? online? printed somewhere?
Did they all see it at the same time? in the same place?
Did they know that the photograph was seven month old?

Did the photograph show people? animals? buildings? objects? landscapes?

Anything supernatural involved?
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Postby Balin » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:05 pm

Large group of people = Less than 10 people? less than 100? less than 1000? Between 100-1000 more than that?

Did they see the photograph in a newspaper? No online? No printed somewhere? Yes
Did they all see it at the same time? No, but they did see it around the same time in the same place? DOYD of "place"
Did they know that the photograph was seven month old? Yes

Did the photograph show people? Yes animals? No buildings? Irr objects? Yes landscapes? Irr

Anything supernatural involved? No

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Postby WiZ » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:43 pm

Was it in a gallery? Did it appear on a flier (such as for a missing person) posted publicly? Or on a milk carton or similar? Was it in a book?

Did it solve a mystery? Give rise to a mystery? Had a crime been committed? Was someone humiliated by this? A town? A group united by some association? People who had done, or failed to do, something?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:56 pm

Was the photography visible to everyone? Like a billboard? Advertisment relevant? Become mortified because they did/approve/give rise to something which cause negative consequences to someone else? Did they expect to see the photogeaphy?

Were the 100-1000 people part of an assembly? A village? A group? Were they random people sharing a relevant charachteristic? (E.g. they all contributed to something which turned into the death of someone/ negative consequences for someone?) Were there more than 2 people in the photo? 100? 10? More than 10? Was there just one copy of the photography? More? All on paper? Were them put randomly on the walls of the city?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 12:54 am

When they saw the photo, did it drastically change something? Like their belief/understanding of something, someone or event? Could this have happened 6 or 8 months after the photo was taken? Present day? Was it on a poster or billboard? Was there a scandal?
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Postby Balin » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:50 pm

Was it in a gallery? Did it appear on a flier (such as for a missing person) posted publicly? Or on a milk carton or similar? Was it in a book? This, No to rest

Did it solve a mystery? No Give rise to a mystery? No Had a crime been committed? No
Was someone humiliated by this? To an extent A town? A group united by some association? This People who had done, or failed to do, something?

Was the photography visible to everyone? To everyone in the group Like a billboard? No Advertisment relevant? No Become mortified because they did/approve/give rise to something which cause negative consequences to someone else? No Did they expect to see the photogeaphy? No

Were the 100-1000 people part of an assembly? A village? A group? This
Were they random people sharing a relevant charachteristic? No (E.g. they all contributed to something which turned into the death of someone/ negative consequences for someone?) No
Were there more than 2 people in the photo? 100? 10? More than 10? One relevant person
Was there just one copy of the photography? More? More All on paper? Yes Were them put randomly on the walls of the city? No

When they saw the photo, did it drastically change something? No Like their belief/understanding of something, someone or event? No
Could this have happened 6 or 8 months after the photo was taken? Yes - anywhere between 6 and 9 months, by my estimation, but 7 seems most accurate Present day? Yes Was it on a poster or billboard? No Was there a scandal? Of a type
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Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:43 pm

Sports teams/fans relevant? The Patriots? (Well, it's you :) )
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:55 pm

Was the person a baby? HAM, HAF, HCM, HCF? Relevant what the person was doing in the photo? The fact the person was in the photo at all? Copies of the photo: 2, 10, 100...? Relevant what the book was, specifically, generally, subject, fiction, non-fiction, biography? Is this situation in real life, actually or theoretically? On Earth, present day?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:26 pm

If not a baby, then a pregnant woman? Is legitimacy a key theme here (whether in terms of royal lineage, biological fatherhood, the claim to be the 1.5 millionth citizen of a city only to find out that the claim had already been made of someone else, which actually happened in Auckland, etc.)?
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Postby Doriana » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:41 am

Good to see you around Doriana!

Good to be back on the LTPF :)

(Sorry, no questions come to mind right now)
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Re: [Balin] Bob and we've

Postby Balin » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:08 pm

Sports teams/fans relevant? No The Patriots? No

Was the person a baby? No HAM, HAF, HCM, HCF? Teenager (so HTM, I guess) Relevant what the person was doing in the photo? Yes The fact the person was in the photo at all? I'll say Yes, because it's relevant it was that specific person instead of anyone else
Copies of the photo: 2, 10, 100...? More. Assume same as the number of people in the group
Relevant what the book was, specifically, Yes generally, subject, fiction, non-fiction, biography? Non-fiction, No to rest Is this situation in real life, actually or theoretically? Real life, true story (ROIMBT) On Earth, present day? Yes

If not a baby, then a pregnant woman? No Is legitimacy a key theme here (whether in terms of royal lineage, biological fatherhood, the claim to be the 1.5 millionth citizen of a city only to find out that the claim had already been made of someone else, which actually happened in Auckland, etc.)? No
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Re: [Balin] Bob and we've

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:40 pm

*clicks*

Was the book a yearbook? for middle school? high school?
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Re: [Balin] Bob and we've

Postby Balin » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:33 pm

*clicks*

Was the book a yearbook? for middle school? high school? Yes, for high school. Very good!
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Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:43 pm

seven months between the time the photograph was taken and when the yearbooks came out?

was the group comprised of freshmen/9th graders? sophomores/10th graders? juniors/11th graders? seniors/12th graders? a mix? was the HTM in 9th grade? 10th? 11th? 12th?
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Postby Balin » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:05 pm

seven months between the time the photograph was taken and when the yearbooks came out? Yes

was the group comprised of freshmen/9th graders? sophomores/10th graders? juniors/11th graders? seniors/12th graders? a mix? A mix - the group is all the students in that high school was the HTM in 9th grade? 10th? 11th? 12th? Don't know which/irrel, but he was a student there
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Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:16 pm

so the students were all the students in the school, correct? were they wearing uniforms? were certain groups of students wearing clothing that identified them as members of that group? such as band uniforms? or cheerleading? was the HTM wearing clothing that set him apart in some way?
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Postby Balin » Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:52 am

so the students were all the students in the school, correct? Yes were they wearing uniforms? Irrel were certain groups of students wearing clothing that identified them as members of that group? No/Irrel such as band uniforms? or cheerleading? was the HTM wearing clothing that set him apart in some way? No
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Postby trebor » Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:03 am

Was it the actual yearbook portrait photo of the HTM in question? Was it a different photo elsewhere in the yearbook? Did something on his clothing get cropped so it looked like an offensive/embarrassing phrase? Is his yearbook quote relevant? Was he doing anything relevant in the picture? Is his name relevant? Anything he does outside of school? His religion/ethnicity relevant? Is he part of any relevant groups in the school?
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Postby Balin » Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:13 pm

Was it the actual yearbook portrait photo of the HTM in question? No Was it a different photo elsewhere in the yearbook? Yes
Did something on his clothing get cropped so it looked like an offensive/embarrassing phrase? No Is his yearbook quote relevant? No Was he doing anything relevant in the picture? Yes Is his name relevant? No Anything he does outside of school? Um... His religion/ethnicity relevant? No Is he part of any relevant groups in the school? No
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Postby trebor » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:57 pm

I’m unclear as to whether the “um” in your last set of answers is to indicate an ambiguous answer or because my question wasn’t clear. Assuming the latter, does he partake in any relevant activities/hobbies/jobs that having nothing to do with school?
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Postby Balin » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:40 pm

I’m unclear as to whether the “um” in your last set of answers is to indicate an ambiguous answer or because my question wasn’t clear. Ambiguous answer Assuming the latter, does he partake in any relevant activities/hobbies/jobs that having nothing to do with school? Same "um..." (also FA)
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Postby peter365 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:02 am

Is the photo a group photo? In the photo is the teenager sending a message? Signalling? Making any relevant gesture? Is he smiling?

Is he an imposter? Any teachers in the photo? If he's not an imposter is he still a pupil of the school?
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Postby Balin » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:21 pm

Is the photo a group photo? No In the photo is the teenager sending a message? No Signalling? No Making any relevant gesture? No Is he smiling? Impossible to tell! (and relevantly so)

Is he an imposter? No Any teachers in the photo? No If he's not an imposter is he still a pupil of the school? NO. Good question
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Postby Jane The Awesome » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:14 pm

If he's not a pupil of the school, was he known by the students and/or teachers who saw the picture?
Was he aware that his picture was being taken? Was he aware that his picture would be seen by everyone in the yearbook?
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Postby irishelk » Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:59 pm

Are the group of students mortified because: What this one teen does reflects the actions of all of them? A belief they all have? their own stupidity/naivete has been revealed? It is revealed that they were breaking a rule? The law? Just because what the one person is doing is generally embarrassing/cringe-y?

Does he intend to mortify others with the picture? Was he accidentally "caught"? Did he get others in trouble? Did he pretend to be a student? Did he fool all the mortified students?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:42 am

Is it impossible to tell if he's smiling because: his face is covered? Hidden? Turned away? Too far away? The photo is bad? Blurry? Is he relevantly moving when the photo is taken? Does he know he is being photographed? Relevant?
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Postby peter365 » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:42 am

Was he a student who was subsequently expelled? Does the photo prove his innocence with regard to what he was expelled for?
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Postby Balin » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:41 pm

If he's not a pupil of the school, was he known by the students and/or teachers who saw the picture? Yes
Was he aware that his picture was being taken? Possibly Was he aware that his picture would be seen by everyone in the yearbook? If he knew about the picture, Yes

Are the group of students mortified because: What this one teen does reflects the actions of all of them? A belief they all have? their own stupidity/naivete has been revealed? It is revealed that they were breaking a rule? The law? No to these Just because what the one person is doing is generally embarrassing/cringe-y? "Generally"? No. In context? Very cringy.

Does he intend to mortify others with the picture? No Was he accidentally "caught"? No Did he get others in trouble? No Did he pretend to be a student? No Did he fool all the mortified students? No

Is it impossible to tell if he's smiling because: his face is covered? Yes, in a way Hidden? Yes, in a way Turned away? Too far away? The photo is bad? Blurry? No to these Is he relevantly moving when the photo is taken? Some parts of him are relevantly moving Does he know he is being photographed? See above Relevant? No

Was he a student Yes who was subsequently expelled? No Does the photo prove his innocence with regard to what he was expelled for? No (see previous)
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Postby trebor » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:26 pm

Was he a student of the school when the photo was taken? Was the photo taken on school grounds? Inside the school? If inside, relevant which room? Is he now a student of the school? Does he now attend a different school?

Was the photo taken during class time? During an assembly?
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Re: [Balin] Bob and we've

Postby Balin » Thu May 03, 2018 6:08 pm

Was he a student of the school when the photo was taken? Yes Was the photo taken on school grounds? Assume Yes Inside the school? No If inside, relevant which room?
Is he now a student of the school? No Does he now attend a different school? No

Was the photo taken during class time? During school hours, Yes, but during a class, No During an assembly? No
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Re: [Balin] Bob and we've

Postby trebor » Thu May 03, 2018 7:06 pm

Is he still alive? Did he drop out off school? Is it correct that it doesn’t matter what grade he was in? (Like, he didn’t graduate after the photo was taken, right?)
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Postby Balin » Thu May 03, 2018 8:36 pm

Is he still alive? NO! Did he drop out off school? No, see previous Is it correct that it doesn’t matter what grade he was in? Correct (Like, he didn’t graduate after the photo was taken, right?) Correct, see earlier
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Postby Zanreo » Thu May 03, 2018 10:29 pm

So he's dead in the photo? Was he actually present when the picture was taken? Did someone photoshop him in later? Did someone bring his dead body to the photo?
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Postby trebor » Fri May 04, 2018 1:01 am

Was he dead when the photo was taken? Was he in the process of dying? When the photo was taken did he appear to be sleeping? Was it not known that his body was in the photo at all until the yearbook was published? Is the method of his death relevant?
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Postby Balin » Sun May 06, 2018 6:48 pm

So he's dead in the photo? No Was he actually present when the picture was taken? Yes Did someone photoshop him in later? No Did someone bring his dead body to the photo? No

Was he dead when the photo was taken? No Was he in the process of dying? No When the photo was taken did he appear to be sleeping? No Was it not known that his body was in the photo at all until the yearbook was published? No Is the method of his death relevant? Yes
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Postby Zanreo » Sun May 06, 2018 8:31 pm

Did he die later that day? Was he killed?
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Postby trebor » Sun May 06, 2018 9:19 pm

Was he shot? Stabbed? Strangled? Killed in a car crash? Killed by a disease? Suicide? Choking? Work accident? Killed by blunt force trauma? Attacked by an animal other than a human? Bored to death during math?
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Postby Balin » Mon May 07, 2018 12:04 am

Did he die later that day? No Was he killed? Yes in that he did not die naturally; No in that he was not murdered

Was he shot? Stabbed? Strangled? Killed in a car crash? Killed by a disease? Suicide? Choking? Work accident? Killed by blunt force trauma? Attacked by an animal other than a human? Bored to death during math? None of these, although the last was probably figuratively true
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Postby trebor » Tue May 08, 2018 5:23 am

Was another person (or persons) involved in his death? Did he die at school? At home? Outside? Inside? In a public place? While participating in a hobby? Was he doing anything relevant when he died? One minute before his death, did he see that he might be about to die? Five minutes before? An hour? When he woke up that day?
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Postby peter365 » Tue May 08, 2018 7:38 am

Did the taking of the photo directly cause his death?
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Postby Balin » Wed May 09, 2018 6:38 pm

Was another person (or persons) involved in his death? No
Did he die at school? At home? Outside? Yes Inside? In a public place? And Yes, No to rest While participating in a hobby? Most likely Was he doing anything relevant when he died? See previous
One minute before his death, did he see that he might be about to die? Possibly Five minutes before? Less likely An hour? Probably not When he woke up that day? No

Did the taking of the photo directly cause his death? No
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Postby trebor » Thu May 10, 2018 1:18 am

Was he doing the same thing in the photo that he was doing when he died? When he died was he doing something most of us would consider dangerous? Did anybody see him die? Had people gathered to watch him do whatever he was doing? In the case photo was he wearing a mask? A helmet? A scarf? Balaclava? Was part of his body covering his face?
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Postby peter365 » Thu May 10, 2018 9:37 am

Was he a member of a musical or theatrical group/society within the school?
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Postby irishelk » Thu May 10, 2018 12:47 pm

Does the photo depict something related to the manner of his death? Does he appear to be dying/getting killed in the photo? Does it appear to be a joke related to his death? Is he doing the same thing in the photo that he was doing when he was killed?

Does the embarrassment occur because: it was in bad taste to include the photo? The photo makes it seem like students should have seen his death coming? Maybe because he was doing something that many students did, but he happened to be unlucky and die doing it?
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Postby Balin » Thu May 10, 2018 7:05 pm

Was he doing the same thing in the photo that he was doing when he died? No When he died was he doing something most of us would consider dangerous? In certain circumstances Did anybody see him die? Irrel Had people gathered to watch him do whatever he was doing? In the photo Yes, when he died No
In the case photo was he wearing a mask? A helmet? A scarf? Balaclava? No to all Was part of his body covering his face? No

Was he a member of a musical or theatrical group/society within the school? Irrel/No

Does the photo depict something related to the manner of his death? Yes Does he appear to be dying/getting killed in the photo? No Does it appear to be a joke related to his death? It could be taken this way Is he doing the same thing in the photo that he was doing when he was killed? No

Does the embarrassment occur because: it was in bad taste to include the photo? In retrospect, Yes; see above The photo makes it seem like students should have seen his death coming? No Maybe because he was doing something that many students did, but he happened to be unlucky and die doing it? No
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Postby Jane The Awesome » Fri May 11, 2018 9:55 pm

Did he kill himself (either on purpose or by accident) and the picture makes reference to a weapon or tool used in his death? Does it make some kind of reference to his mental state? In the picture is he joking about killing himself or doing something that could be interpreted that way (like doing finger-guns)?
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Re: [Balin] Bob and we've

Postby trebor » Sat May 12, 2018 6:59 pm

Is weather involved in his death? When he died was he doing something particularly associated with one season over the others? Did he have a cardiac event? Drown? A fall? Was he electrocuted? Buried alive?
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Re: [Balin] Bob and we've

Postby Balin » Sun May 13, 2018 4:24 pm

Did he kill himself (either on purpose or by accident) He died in an accident, but he was the only one involved... so Yes, I guess and the picture makes reference to a weapon or tool used in his death? Yes, for svv of weapon/tool Does it make some kind of reference to his mental state? No In the picture is he joking about killing himself or doing something that could be interpreted that way (like doing finger-guns)? No

Is weather involved in his death? No When he died was he doing something particularly associated with one season over the others? Yes, see below
Did he have a cardiac event? Drown? This A fall? Was he electrocuted? Buried alive?
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Postby Zanreo » Sun May 13, 2018 5:29 pm

In the photo, was he: swimming? Underwater? Some kind of "underwater filter" added? Something related to water relevant?
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Re: [Balin] Bob and we've

Postby Balin » Sun May 13, 2018 5:43 pm

In the photo, was he: swimming? Underwater? Close enough. Some kind of "underwater filter" added? Something related to water relevant? Yes

****SPOILER****

From Reddit (naturally):

A boy in my high school died by drowning in a river toward the end of the school year. The yearbooks came back no more than a few weeks after that happened, and there in a huge photo in the Student Life section, he's face down in a water barrel bobbing for apples at the Fall Festival.

(The photo's caption, as seen in the link, makes it even worse.)
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Re: [Balin] Bob and we've (*OUT OF PRINT*)

Postby Zanreo » Sun May 13, 2018 5:52 pm

Wow, that's pretty unfortunate indeed.... great puzzle!
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Re: [Balin] Bob and we've (*OUT OF PRINT*)

Postby peter365 » Mon May 14, 2018 8:23 am

NIce puzzle Balin .
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