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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri May 18, 2018 10:43 am

Three children, Julian, George and Ann, were burying their pet hamster. They wrapped him up in their dad's handkerchief, and lovingly laid him inside a shoebox. They dug him a grave at the bottom of the garden. Then they gathered round it. 
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Alas Poor Nibbles

Postby Zanreo » Fri May 18, 2018 11:03 am

So another one of these where you have to find out just what the question is? Something about the handkerchief relevant? The shoebox? The garden? The hamster?
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Postby Earnest » Fri May 18, 2018 11:07 am

Three children = brothers and sisters? Relevant?
Pet hanster = an actual living (dead) animal made of bones? Was it their pet hamster since a long time? Since days? Hours? Did they found him dead?

Was the hamster dead? If so, relevant how he died? Did the children "kill" him? Voluntarily? Was the hamster ill? Was his body intact? They gathered around him to say a prayer for him? Did they bury the hamster with the dad ashes? Was the dad dead as well? Relevant the reason why they wrapped him up in their dad's handkerchief? Could it have been another handkerchief? Relevant the material of the handkerchief? Was the garden where the grave was the garden of their house?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri May 18, 2018 11:10 am

Zanreo wrote:So another one of these where you have to find out just what the question is? You sound weary! It's basically, what happened next. Something about the handkerchief relevant? No,
just scene-setting
The shoebox? ditto The garden? ditto The hamster? tangentially - it would work with another dead creature
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Alas Poor Nibbles

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri May 18, 2018 11:20 am

Earnest wrote:Three children = brothers and sisters? Relevant? yes but irrel
Pet hanster = an actual living (dead) animal made of bones? yes Was it their pet hamster since a long time? Since days? Hours? irrel Did they found him dead? yes

Was the hamster dead? yes If so, relevant how he died? no, assume old age Did the children "kill" him? no Voluntarily? no Was the hamster ill? irrel Was his body intact? yes They gathered around him to say a prayer for him? YES Did they bury the hamster with the dad ashes? no Was the dad dead as well? no he was alive and well Relevant the reason why they wrapped him up in their dad's handkerchief? it was just an impromptu shroud, but irrel Could it have been another handkerchief? yes Relevant the material of the handkerchief? no Was the garden where the grave was the garden of their house? yes, but irrel
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Alas Poor Nibbles

Postby GalFisk » Fri May 18, 2018 11:33 am

Did something unexpected happen next? Did they say goodbye? Pray a prayer? Sing a song? Stand in silence? Fill in the grave? Did another animal try to eat the dead hamster? Did they have any other pets at the time? Relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri May 18, 2018 11:39 am

GalFisk wrote:Did something unexpected happen next? Did they say goodbye? Pray a prayer? THIS Sing a song? Stand in silence? Fill in the grave? The other things you mention are irrel Did another animal try to eat the dead hamster? No Did they have any other pets at the time? Relevant? no/irrel
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Alas Poor Nibbles

Postby Earnest » Fri May 18, 2018 12:51 pm

Is the prayer a catholic one? Relevant which prayer? Did they took their hands? Head down? Or with palm touching as in prayers? Did they say the prayer in chorus? One per time? All together? Singing? Did they invent a prayer? Is the song "I say a little prayer for you" relevant? Is gospel relevant?

Had they had another pet, would they have done the same?(bury the animal in the garden, gather and say a prayer?) Is the puzzle about the circumstances in which they said the prayer? Were they alone in the garden saying the prayer? With their parents? Relelevant? Is it the first animal that they bury? If so the first pet? If not, did they bury also other dead animals like birds they found in their garden? Were they mimiking a funeral? A church celebration?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri May 18, 2018 2:12 pm

Earnest wrote:Is the prayer a catholic one? Yes, although protestants say this too Relevant which prayer? yes Did they took their hands? Head down? Or with palm touching as in prayers? any of these are possible but mostly irrel Did they say the prayer in chorus? One per time? Each of them said part of the prayer, one at a time All together? Singing? Did they invent a prayer? Is the song "I say a little prayer for you" relevant? Is gospel relevant? no to the rest


Had they had another pet, would they have done the same?(bury the animal in the garden, gather and say a prayer?) probably Is the puzzle about the circumstances in which they said the prayer? well, the circumstances are the setting for the puzzle, and different circumstances would not work. However, the solution to the puzzle is not about the circumstances... if that makes sense? Were they alone in the garden saying the prayer? With their parents? Relelevant? probably on their own but irrel Is it the first animal that they bury? It's the only animal they bury on this occasion If so the first pet? irrel If not, did they bury also other dead animals like birds they found in their garden? irrel Were they mimiking a funeral? YES A church celebration? No, although this particular prayer gets said in church on other occasions, some of which could be celebrations, explore
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Postby Earnest » Sat May 19, 2018 6:51 am

Relevant that usually in States there's a party after a funeral? Did they want to make a funeral just to have something to eat after? Or did they do the funeral just because they were really sad about the hamster's death and wanted to celebrate it properly?

Ok...premising I've ompletely forgotten most prayers...
Prayer = "Pater noster"? A classical prayer usually said during masses? Regarding Jesus? God? Mary? Other religious figures? To a nom-religious figure? To no one in particular? A prayer said mainly during funerals? Mainly during regular celebrations? Mainly during weddings? Is it the only prayer they knew? Relevant the name they gave to the hamster (has he got a relevant name?)? Did they hear the prayer in church? Did they recently take part to a funeral? To a mass? To a church celebration? Relevant their religion/culture? If so, list of religions please :)

Did they read the prayer somewhere while saying it? (E.g. a Bible...) Did the three play different roles? (E.g. one of them fake to be a priest and the other audience?...) Did they say also something else except the prayer? Did they sing it? Just say it? Relevant? Relevant the age of the three? Were they all able to properly speak? Did they know that they were saying a prayer? Is the prayer very long? Very short? Normal in length? Is it a prayer that people/children usually know to be just a saying or something else but not a prayer?

Relevant what happened before the fake funeral? After it? During it? Did they just pray or also said some word for the hamster? Did something else relevantly? Did they want to test something? (E.g. if the hamster webt to paradise after being burried? If he reborn after death?) Did they cover the hole with the shoe box of the hamster?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat May 19, 2018 1:07 pm

Earnest wrote:Relevant that usually in States there's a party after a funeral? no Did they want to make a funeral just to have something to eat after? no Or did they do the funeral just because they were really sad about the hamster's death and wanted to celebrate it properly? This, but mostly because it's what you do when someone dies

Ok...premising I've ompletely forgotten most prayers...
Prayer = "Pater noster"? A classical prayer usually said during masses? Regarding Jesus? THIS, explore God? YES, explore Mary? no Other religious figures? Yesish To a nom-religious figure? To no one in particular? A prayer said mainly during funerals? I think it's pretty much always said at funerals except secular ones Mainly during regular celebrations? this too... but irrel Mainly during weddings? this too, but irrel Is it the only prayer they knew? irrel Relevant the name they gave to the hamster (has he got a relevant name?)? irrel Did they hear the prayer in church? yes, or at a graveside Did they recently take part to a funeral? perhaps To a mass? irrel To a church celebration? irrel Relevant their religion/culture? If so, list of religions please :) Christian, Protestant

Did they read the prayer somewhere while saying it? (E.g. a Bible...) no/irrel Did the three play different roles? (E.g. one of them fake to be a priest and the other audience?...) no, they were just 3 kids burying their hamster Did they say also something else except the prayer? irrel Did they sing it?no Just say it? yes Relevant? no, it's just the way it would've happened Relevant the age of the three? somewhat... assume 9, 7 and 5 approxWere they all able to properly speak? yes Did they know that they were saying a prayer? yes Is the prayer very long? Very short? THIS, explore Normal in length? Is it a prayer that people/children usually know to be just a saying or something else but not a prayer? Not sure what you mean here

Relevant what happened before the fake funeral? no After it? no During it? yes, assume it was just as the puzzle statement above Did they just pray or also said some word for the hamster? irrel Did something else relevantly? they said the prayer and then put the shoebox/hamster into the hole they'd dug Did they want to test something? (E.g. if the hamster webt to paradise after being burried? If he reborn after death?) no to these and irrel Did they cover the hole with the shoe box of the hamster? they put the shoebox in the hole, then afterwards covered it with soil
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Postby Earnest » Sat May 19, 2018 2:07 pm

Does the prayer concludes with "Amen"?
Very short = 1 word each? 2 words each? More? Relevant the name of the Hamster? Is it Amen? XD
Sign of the cross relevant? Relevant that in the sign of the cross are named the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? Did they hold the shoebox, the handkerchief and the hamster all together or separately? I imagine a scene like...the three A B and C one holding the hamster, one the handkerchief and one the shoebox. One said "The Father (handkerchief of the father)", the other "the Son" and the last "the Holy Spirit"...but cannot find any correspondence with the shoebox and the handkerchief...

Ok...so is the prayer the focal point of the puzzle? Is the prayer related to death? To dead people? Is the body of Christ relevant?
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Postby Earnest » Sat May 19, 2018 2:09 pm

P.s. a possible correspondence could be...the name of the hamster was "the Son" and the shoebox acted as a Holy Spirit in unifying the Father handkerchief and the hamster "Son"...of course I'm doing WAGs and not hope that this is truly the answer...but is funny at least
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat May 19, 2018 4:56 pm

Earnest wrote:Does the prayer concludes with "Amen"? irrel
Very short = 1 word each? 2 words each? More? They each say a phrase, one after the other, assume eldest to youngest. Relevant the name of the Hamster? no Is it Amen? XD That'd be a neat name for a pet, wouldn't it? :lol:
Sign of the cross relevant? the sign itself isn't relevant but the words are Relevant that in the sign of the cross are named the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit? Yes exactly, and this is very relevant Did they hold the shoebox, the handkerchief and the hamster all together or separately? Again,
relevant. At the point when they said the prayer, the hamster was already wrapped in the handkerchief, and inside the shoebox with the lid closed. The youngest child was holding the box.
I imagine a scene like...the three A B and C one holding the hamster, one the handkerchief and one the shoebox. One said "The Father (handkerchief of the father)", the other "the Son" and the last "the Holy Spirit"...but cannot find any correspondence with the shoebox and the handkerchief... YES they did say the prayer exactly like that! (However, you can ignore the handkerchief and shoebox, they play no further part.)

Ok...so is the prayer the focal point of the puzzle? Yes, exactly. Is the prayer related to death? Well, it's often said at funerals... To dead people? Is the body of Christ relevant? no/irrel to these
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat May 19, 2018 4:58 pm

Earnest wrote:P.s. a possible correspondence could be...the name of the hamster was "the Son" and the shoebox acted as a Holy Spirit in unifying the Father handkerchief and the hamster "Son"...of course I'm doing WAGs and not hope that this is truly the answer...but is funny at least Lol... No.
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Postby Earnest » Sat May 19, 2018 6:09 pm

One clarification...is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit the entire prayer they said? Or it is just the end of it?

Again clarification...so the youngest, holding the shoebox said "the Father", the middle "the Son" and the eldest "the Holy Spirit"? Are those three words connected to the three children directly (e.g. one personified the son, one the father and one the holy spirit)? To the hamster? To the role that the hamster played in the children lives? Is it relevant that the children where two boys and one girl? That they were three? Would it work with just one boy? With just one girl? Did they equally take care of the hamster? Did they want to say a word each?

Was there a grave with words? Is "Rest in peace" relevant? If so was it written somewhere relevantly? As R.I.P? Relevant who were their parents? Did they have relevant objects a part from the one said in the puzzle statement? (Already know the answer is no but I'll ask to be sure)

Did they relevantly do some gesture when saying a phrase? Did they relevantly cried? Did they have other hamsters related to the one died? Relevant their past experience to funerals and masses? (I mean...did they simply think that talking in turns was the right way to say prayers...though there is not a "righ" way to say prayers...) Did they think that saying a word each was more efficient for what they had in mind? Did they voluntarily talked in turns? Is the order with which they said Father,Son and Holy Spirit random? Previously decided by the three? If so for a specific reason? Due to their relationship with the hamster? To a draw they made? Was the girl the eldest? The youngest? The middle? Did she play the role of the Father? The Son?
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Postby Solong » Sun May 20, 2018 11:23 am

Are the children British (English) and C of E?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun May 20, 2018 12:10 pm

Earnest wrote:One clarification...is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit the entire prayer they said? Or it is just the end of it? Yes, but the wording is "In the name of the Father... in the name of the son..." And the end of it is specifically important - explore

Again clarification...so the youngest, holding the shoebox said "the Father", the middle "the Son" and the eldest "the Holy Spirit"? It was the other way around, i.e. eldest first Are those three words connected to the three children directly (e.g. one personified the son, one the father and one the holy spirit)? no To the hamster? no To the role that the hamster played in the children lives? no -
it was just a hamster they loved who had died.
Is it relevant that the children where two boys and one girl? no That they were three? yes Would it work with just one boy? With just one girl? their sex is irrelevant, but there needed to be three of them Did they equally take care of the hamster? probably but irrel Did they want to say a word each? Assume yes, although it was a phrase not a single word

Was there a grave with words? no, just a hole in the ground Is "Rest in peace" relevant? no If so was it written somewhere relevantly? As R.I.P? Relevant who were their parents? no Did they have relevant objects a part from the one said in the puzzle statement? (Already know the answer is no but I'll ask to be sure) no

Did they relevantly do some gesture when saying a phrase? no Did they relevantly cried? no Did they have other hamsters related to the one died? irrel Relevant their past experience to funerals and masses? (I mean...did they simply think that talking in turns was the right way to say prayers...though there is not a "righ" way to say prayers...) Assume they had been to a funeral or seen one on the TV... so they knew what to say Did they think that saying a word each was more efficient for what they had in mind? irrel Did they voluntarily talked in turns? yes Is the order with which they said Father,Son and Holy Spirit random? NO - it's important to the puzzle that it was said in that order Previously decided by the three? If so for a specific reason? Due to their relationship with the hamster? To a draw they made? Was the girl the eldest? The youngest? The middle? Did she play the role of the Father? The Son? All these are irrel
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun May 20, 2018 12:11 pm

Solong wrote:Are the children British (English) and C of E? Yes
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Postby Earnest » Sun May 20, 2018 12:30 pm

Had the eldest the right of talking first? Is the royal family relevant? Did they simulate an official celebration/mass? Had them been in an official celebration/funetal/mass would they have spoken in turns? Relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun May 20, 2018 1:00 pm

Earnest wrote:Had the eldest the right of talking first? No, although it's slightly relevant that the youngest went last. Don't get too hung up on that though. Is the royal family relevant? Did they simulate an official celebration/mass? Had them been in an official celebration/funetal/mass would they have spoken in turns? Relevant? no or irrel to all these
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Postby Earnest » Sun May 20, 2018 2:44 pm

Is the prayer a relevant factor in deciding the order? Or was the order decided a priori? Was it a tradition?

Was it necessary that they talked in turns?
Did they also say "in the name of the holy spirit"? Was it their last sentence? Did they conclude in chorus? Is a pun relevant? Relevant the part of the prayer when the one stop and the other begin to talk? Was the prayer perfectly split intp three parts? Relevant what the prayer is about?
Relevant how they were places arount the hole? Were they near one another? Distant? Trinity relevant? To be sure...is this a real life situation?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun May 20, 2018 5:59 pm

Earnest wrote:Is the prayer a relevant factor in deciding the order? the prayer was said in the same order it is said in church Or was the order decided a priori? Was it a tradition?

Was it necessary that they talked in turns? yes
Did they also say "in the name of the holy spirit"? Actually, no, explore Was it their last sentence? What Ann said was their last sentence, but... Did they conclude in chorus? no Is a pun relevant? YES Relevant the part of the prayer when the one stop and the other begin to talk? Was the prayer perfectly split intp three parts? Yes... but you already know this Relevant what the prayer is about? You already know this too... Amongst other uses, it's often said at funerals.
Relevant how they were places arount the hole? Were they near one another? Distant? Trinity relevant? irrel to these To be sure...is this a real life situation? It could happen in real life, but actually it's just concocted for the puzzle.
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Postby trebor » Sun May 20, 2018 6:27 pm

Is the hamster’s name Spirit? Is a pun on “spirit” relevant? On “holy”? Does the last child to speak have trouble pronouncing certain words?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun May 20, 2018 7:25 pm

trebor wrote:Is the hamster’s name Spirit? no Is a pun on “spirit” relevant? no On “holy”? yes Does the last child to speak have trouble pronouncing certain words? no
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Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Mon May 21, 2018 4:07 am

hiya mimsy

a pun on spirit is relevant?

soul? ghost? spirit as in alcohol? aquavit?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon May 21, 2018 10:20 am

KayleeArafinwiel wrote:hiya mimsy
Hi Kaylee :-)

a pun on spirit is relevant?

soul? ghost? yesish... it’s on “Holy Ghost”; although wordplay rather than a pun spirit as in alcohol? aquavit? no to the rest
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Alas Poor Nibbles

Postby trebor » Fri May 25, 2018 3:09 am

“In the hole he goes”?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Alas Poor Nibbles

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri May 25, 2018 4:34 am

trebor wrote:“In the hole he goes”? Exactly so!


*********************$POILER**********************

... Then they gathered round it....

...Julian said, "In the name of the father..."
George said, "In the name of the son..."
Ann bent over the grave with the tiny coffin, and said, "...and into the hole 'e goes."

Well done to trebor for the solve, and to Zanreo, Earnest, Galfisk, Solong and Kaylee too.
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