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{KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Sat May 19, 2018 3:51 pm

He was the second. He was the third. He was the first.
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat May 19, 2018 4:37 pm

1st = HAM1
2nd = HAM2
3rd = HAM3?

2nd, 3rd, 1st in that particular order? Important?
Do these three relate to the same thing?
Is it a race, a score, ancestry, the 1st/2nd/3rd to do or achieve something?
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby Earnest » Sat May 19, 2018 6:57 pm

Did it happen in seconds? Hours? Days? Years? Is being first "positive"? Is the highest the place the better?
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Sat May 19, 2018 10:01 pm

1st = HAM1
2nd = HAM2
3rd = HAM3? all the same HAM

2nd, 3rd, 1st in that particular order? yesImportant? yes
Do these three relate to the same thing? to the same person
Is it a race, a score, ancestry no to these, the 1st/2nd/3rd to do or achieve something?yes

Did it clarify "it" happen in seconds? but probably thisHours? Days? Years? Is being first "positive"? neither positive or negativeIs the highest the place the better? not really, no

good q's mimsy and earnest
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby Zanreo » Sat May 19, 2018 10:19 pm

The third, second and first to - finish something? Do something? Find out something?
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Sat May 19, 2018 10:29 pm

The third, second and first second, third, and firstto - finish something? noDo something?for svv of 'do something', but this is closest Find out something?no
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby Doriana » Mon May 21, 2018 5:35 pm

WAG, given the date: Royal wedding relevant? Is he Prince Harry?
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Mon May 21, 2018 5:37 pm

WAG, given the date: Royal wedding relevant? you call that a WAG? You know me too well :P extremely relevant Is he Prince Harry?He is!
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby Enjay » Mon May 21, 2018 5:47 pm

Is Harry still the first, the second and the third? Did he become one or all of those when he got married?

Does second refer to him being the second son?
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Postby Doriana » Mon May 21, 2018 5:48 pm

Do all statements refer to something that has to do with the wedding?
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Mon May 21, 2018 5:53 pm

Hi Enjay-the-Devoner, glad to see you on my puzzle :D

Is Harry still the first, the second and the third? noish - he was the second, the third, and the first. this is important, lol.Did he become one or allthis of those when he got married? before he got married

Does second refer to him being the second son? it does not

thanks for more questions Doriana kitteh!

Do all statements refer to something that has to do with the wedding?
to something that happened the day of the wedding
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby Doriana » Mon May 21, 2018 5:55 pm

Is anything about Meghan Markle relevant? If so, that she is American? that she is a divorcee? that she is mixed race?
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Mon May 21, 2018 5:58 pm

Is anything about Meghan Markle relevant? hmm...yope If so, that she is American? that she is a divorcee? that she is mixed race? none of these - though the fact that she is all these things and wholeheartedly accepted by the royal family makes me happy
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby Enjay » Mon May 21, 2018 6:01 pm

Is Princess Diana relevant? Prince Charles? Any other member of the royal family?

Before William had children, Harry would have been third in line to the throne right? Relevant?

Did he choose to do/achieve the things that he was the second, the third and the first to do/achieve?
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Mon May 21, 2018 6:06 pm

Is Princess Diana relevant? only to the title: the "three shells" are on Prince Harry's coat of arms because they come from the Spencer family's. Prince Charles? no Any other member of the royal family? yes, and to save you invoking the {LTPF List of The British Royal Family} it's Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II

Before William had children, Harry would have been third in line to the throne right? rightRelevant?
No
Did he choose to do/achieve the things that he was the second, the third and the first to do/achieve? Mmm...I don't know if "do/achieve" is the right terminology, and I don't know if he chose any of them so let's call it irrelevant.
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby WiZ » Fri May 25, 2018 12:19 am

Is this a spatial thing? Something to do with positioning (relative to others)?

Did any of this exist, or does it continue to exist, outside the context of the wedding day?

Did it happen at the place of the ceremony? Prior to the ceremony?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri May 25, 2018 1:03 am

Would it be fair to say that Harry is the 2nd, 3rd and 1st of the Queen's descendants to [verb] [these three things]? Is the verb 'become', 'inherit', or something else? Is it the same verb for all three things?
Did they happen before the service, during, or after? Did they happen at a certain moment, e.g. when they were pronounced man and wife? All three at once, or at different times? Is it to do with names? With places?
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby Enjay » Fri May 25, 2018 6:31 am

Is one of them becoming the Duke of Sussex? Is another title Harry holds relevant?
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells

Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Fri May 25, 2018 3:31 pm

Ask and I shall receive, I guess :D Thanks so much for the questions everyone!!!

Is this a spatial thing? Something to do with positioning (relative to others)? No to these, sorry WiZ

Did any of this exist, or does it continue to exist, outside the context of the wedding day? Yes

Did it happen at the place of the ceremony?no Prior to the ceremony? This

Good q's WiZ

hi there mimsy! missed you!


Would it be fair to say that Harry is the 2nd, 3rd and 1st of the Queen's descendants to [verb] [these three things]? given the verbs you suggest, yesIs the verb 'become',this 'inherit'well, such things are heritable, or something else? Is it the same verb for all three things?yes
Did they happen before the service, thisduring, or after? Did they happen at a certain momentyes, e.g. when they were pronounced man and wife?not this All three at once,yes or at different times? Is it to do with names? With places?yes to both

o hai Enjay-the-Devoner :D looks like you nailed it!

Is one of them becoming the Duke of Sussex? Is another title Harry holds relevant? SO MUCH YES TO BOTH!

***SPOILER***

It is customary for Her Majesty the Queen, "the fount of all honours", to bestow titles upon her sons and male-line grandsons before their wedding ceremony, as a sort of wedding gift. (I do not think she did this with Prince Charles, as he was already Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay etc., but she did it for her younger sons, and has done it for both her male-line grandsons who have wed thus far.)

The titles are of course purely ceremonial, as I believe the UK has generally moved well beyond the feudal state in which the Duke/Earl/Baron of X received financial support from the inhabitants of X. (Prince Charles' titles excepted.) However, it is customary for Her Majesty to grant the soon-to-be-wedded descendant a title each from England, Scotland, and Northern Ireland, and this she has done;

In the case of Prince William, this was Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn, and Baron Carrickfergus. But more relevantly for this puzzle, Prince Harry - or Prince Henry, which is his formal name - is now:

Duke of Sussex (second creation). The first Duke of Sussex was Prince Augustus Frederick of Hanover, son to (Mad) King George III and Queen Charlotte, and his marriage left no legal heirs.
Earl of Dumbarton (second creation). There were two previous Earls of Dumbarton, both named George Douglas. The first was a Major-General as well as an Earl, and the second, his son, became a Lt. Colonel before dying without heirs.
Baron Kilkeel (of Kilkeel in the County of Down) - first creation.

Kilkeel has never had a title associated with it before, and I dare to hope the Northern Irish are pleased that they do now. However the fact it is in the County of Down has not passed me by, and I do wonder if Kilkeel, which is close to Banbridge town, might claim rights to the new Star of the County Down ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTpsx1EruV0 ). Their Baroness is an actress after all, that's a star, that counts for something. Right? :D )
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Re: {KayleeArafinwiel} Three shells, the bells (SOLVED)

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri May 25, 2018 7:20 pm

Yay! Great puzzle Kaylee.
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