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[peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Mon May 28, 2018 10:38 am

Hi there spoiler seekers, a rare offering and no doubt a quickie.

A doctor whose son-in-law has been kidnapped is puzzled when he is presented with a demand to 'cure our Sean of his nervous disorder'.

What's going on?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby android18 » Mon May 28, 2018 10:42 am

Is Sean HAM? HCM? Is Sean the doctor's son-in-law? Is the doctor a doctor of medicine? Nervous disorder...anxiety? Depression? Something else psychological? Neurological? Such as motor neurone disease? Is Sean's disorder relevant? Does he actually have a disorder? If so, is the disorder actually curable?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby GalFisk » Mon May 28, 2018 3:26 pm

Is the demand a ransom for the doctor's son-in-law?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Mon May 28, 2018 3:34 pm

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Is Sean HAM? HCM? Could be either Is Sean the doctor's son-in-law? No Is the doctor a doctor of medicine? Yes Nervous disorder...anxiety? Depression? Assume this Something else psychological? Neurological? Such as motor neurone disease? Is Sean's disorder relevant? Not overly Does he actually have a disorder? I'm sure he does If so, is the disorder actually curable? I'd guess treatable is a better way to describe it
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Mon May 28, 2018 3:35 pm

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Is the demand a ransom for the doctor's son-in-law? No it is not.
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby android18 » Mon May 28, 2018 3:45 pm

Is the demand maker the same person (group of people?) to kidnap his son-in-law? Is the doctor confused because the kidnapper is not asking for money? Confused because the kidnapper went to extreme lengths to get Sean the treatment?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby GalFisk » Mon May 28, 2018 3:51 pm

Is the son-in-law still kidnapped when the demand is made? Is the demand in any way linked to the kidnapping? Is the kidnapping publicized? Is there a relevant ransom? If so, is it paid? Is it made before the demand?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Tue May 29, 2018 7:12 am

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Is the demand maker the same person (group of people?) to kidnap his son-in-law? No Is the doctor confused because the kidnapper is not asking for money? Yes Confused because the kidnapper went to extreme lengths to get Sean the treatment? No
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Tue May 29, 2018 7:15 am

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Is the son-in-law still kidnapped when the demand is made? Yes Is the demand in any way linked to the kidnapping? Not initially but he would not have received it had his son-in-law not been kidnapped Is the kidnapping publicized? Yes Is there a relevant ransom? Yes If so, is it paid? No Is it made before the demand? No
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby android18 » Tue May 29, 2018 11:09 am

Is the kidnapper asking for something related to Sean or his treatment? Relevant that he kidnapped his son-in-law and not another family member? Is Sean in any way related to the doctor? The kidnapper? The son-in-law? Is it Sean's family who made the demand to cure Sean? Did they take advantage of the doctor being on television?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Tue May 29, 2018 1:00 pm

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Is the kidnapper asking for something related to Sean or his treatment? No Relevant that he kidnapped his son-in-law and not another family member? Not really Is Sean in any way related to the doctor? The kidnapper? The son-in-law? No to all Is it Sean's family who made the demand to cure Sean? Yes Did they take advantage of the doctor being on television?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby Balin » Tue May 29, 2018 1:05 pm

Is the exact wording of the demand relevant?
Is the doctor's gender relevant? If so, is the doctor a man? A woman?
Does the doctor typically treat disorders of the type Sean has?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Wed May 30, 2018 8:18 am

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Is the exact wording of the demand relevant? Yes , and to be fair the Doctor thought it was the demand but there's a better word to describe it.
Is the doctor's gender relevant? If so, is the doctor a man? A woman? He's a man but not really relevant
Does the doctor typically treat disorders of the type Sean has? Not relevantly.

There's a bit of a False Assumption going on mainly due to my poor wording of the puzzle statement. The doctor would have been very puzzled to read the 'demand' . He was expecting something along the lines of 'leave 1 million pounds at a particular location . So why did he get this strange request instead? There's a particular aspect of the message that's very relevant
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby Balin » Wed May 30, 2018 3:51 pm

Better word: "request"?
Was the demand/request/thing intended for the doctor?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Thu May 31, 2018 7:12 am

Better word: "request"? Yes that would work better, not perfect but pretty close
Was the demand/request/thing intended for the doctor? No , he was expecting a demand and got this instead .
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby GalFisk » Thu May 31, 2018 7:20 am

Was the request sent to the wrong person? If so, was it the fault of the sender? Messenger? Recipient? Does he have a similar name to another person?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:27 am

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Was the request sent to the wrong person? FA If so, was it the fault of the sender? Same FA messenger? Recipient? Does he have a similar name to another person? Not relevantly
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby wolfier » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:57 am

Did Sean have nervous disorder before the kidnap? If not, is the kidnap a cause of the nervous disorder?
Is the doctor's son-in-law still alive? if not, was he murdered?
Does the demand include a promise that if Sean is treated, the son-in-law would be released?
Are Sean's family who are asking the demand, really the kidnapper?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:16 am

Wolfier

Did Sean have nervous disorder before the kidnap? Yes If not, is the kidnap a cause of the nervous disorder?
Is the doctor's son-in-law still alive? Yes if not, was he murdered?
Does the demand include a promise that if Sean is treated, the son-in-law would be released? No
Are Sean's family who are asking the demand, really the kidnapper? No
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:32 am

Was Sean the kidnapper?

Did someone switch the kidnapper's demand with the request to help Sean?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:16 am

Lemoncurry

Was Sean the kidnapper? No

Did someone switch the kidnapper's demand with the request to help Sean? No but don't give up on that line of thought.
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby wolfier » Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:29 am

Does it have anything to do with Fundraising? A charity campaign? Crowdsourcing? Did the doctor not have enough money to pay the ransom and someone offered him opportunities to earn more to make the ransom money? So treating Sean would help him get closer to that funding goal?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:40 am

Wolfier

Does it have anything to do with Fundraising? A charity campaign? Crowdsourcing? No to these Did the doctor not have enough money to pay the ransom and someone offered him opportunities to earn more to make the ransom money? Nice thought but very much on the wrong track So treating Sean would help him get closer to that funding goal? No.
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby wolfier » Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:02 pm

was the ransom known before the request to heal Sean? after? Can the puzzle still work if it is a breathing disorder? does the Doctor's specialty match what it takes to treat Sean? Relevant?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:07 am

Wolfier

was the ransom known before the request to heal Sean? No after? Yes Can the puzzle still work if it is a breathing disorder? Yes does the Doctor's specialty match what it takes to treat Sean? No Relevant? No
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:27 pm

Time for a hint I think

The key fact that you have established so far is that the demand/request was not sent by anyone , so it must have been......
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby wwhere » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:43 pm

Was the demand done in a phone call? Was the doctor expecting a call from the kidnappers but got instead a call from some normal patients?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby WiZ » Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:31 pm

Was it generated automatically? Was it a spam message (it reads rather a lot like one).
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby wolfier » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:16 pm

was Sean the deliverer of the demand? if so, knowingly? was Sean really affected by the ailment as claimed?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:14 am

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Was the demand done in a phone call? Was the doctor expecting a call from the kidnappers but got instead a call from some normal patients? No
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:15 am

WiZ

Was it generated automatically? Was it a spam message (it reads rather a lot like one). It does but not correct I'm afraid
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:16 am

Wolfier

was Sean the deliverer of the demand? No and the key point is that the demand was not delivered, it was collected. if so, knowingly? was Sean really affected by the ailment as claimed? Sean has absolutely nothing to do with the kidnapping. He could be dead for all we know .
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby wolfier » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:20 am

So the ransom was unknown before the treat-Sean request, but known after.

Did the treat-Sean request cause the ransom to be known? If so, directly? indirectly?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:37 am

Wolfier

So the ransom was unknown before the treat-Sean request, but known after. Correct

Did the treat-Sean request cause the ransom to be known? If so, directly? indirectly? No if anything it had a delaying effect.

Some key facts that might help things. Consider the format the request was made in , also there had been contact with the kidnappers before the Sean request. The request was collected not delivered.
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby wolfier » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:30 pm

is another patient relevant? the one that lined up after Sean?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:17 am

is another patient relevant? No the one that lined up after Sean? No and I'm not sure that Sean is lined up for anything , he's not a patient of the doctor in any case.
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby Balin » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:50 pm

Is the demand made orally? Written? Through the mail? Electronically in some way?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:05 am

Hi there Balin

Is the demand made orally? Written? Yes Through the mail? No Electronically in some way? No, it was a handwritten note that was left somewhere for a representative of the kidnapped person's family to collect
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby LemonCurry » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:46 am

Was the Help Sean letter a coded instruction where to find the actual demand?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby wolfier » Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:32 pm

Religions relevant? If so, Shinto? Wishing facility relevant? e.g. the kidnappers left the ransome note in an Shinto Ema or a wishing well/wishing jar/wishing pot/wishing facility in some sort of religious setting...

And then an unknown family of Sean came in to add their wish, which was discovered by the doctor before the actual kidnapper demand?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:13 am

Lemoncurry

Was the Help Sean letter a coded instruction where to find the actual demand? No


Wolfier
Religions relevant? Yes If so, Shinto? Wishing facility relevant? e.g. the kidnappers left the ransome note in an Shinto Ema or a wishing well/wishing jar/wishing pot/wishing facility in some sort of religious setting... Yes to some sort of religious setting , but nothing to do with Shinto

And then an unknown family of Sean came in to add their wish, which was discovered by the doctor before the actual kidnapper demand? This is somewhere in the right ballpark but a little off what actually happened.
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby wolfier » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:50 pm

Is the religious setting/wishing facility a prayer box? The "treat Sean" request is just a random written prayer in the box along with the actual ransom demand?
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby peter365 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:30 am

Wolfier

Is the religious setting/wishing facility a prayer box? Not exactly but very much along the right lines. The "treat Sean" request is just a random written prayer in the box along with the actual ransom demand? Again not quite but close enough for me to put this one out of it's misery ...................


*****************************SPOILER************************

During a well publicised kidnapping In Ireland back in the 1980's the kidnappers contacted the father-in-law of the man they had kidnapped telling him that a ransom note had been left underneath a statue of the Virgin Mary in a nearby church.

Unfortunately the kidnappers did not know their religious characters very well because they actually put the note under a statue of St Theresa next to the statue of Mary. When the nominated person went to collect the ransom note she went to the statue of Mary retrieved the note and brought it to the father in law. One can only imagine his frustration when he opened it only to read 'Dear Lady please cure our Sean of his nervous disorder' It was a common thing in catholic Ireland to leave little prayer notes under statues particularly of the Virgin Mary (or Our Lady as she's more commonly know). Nobody knows how long the Sean note had been there and who had written it. One can only hope Sean found some peace.

The delay in getting the ransom resulted in a missed drop and the kidnappers cut off two of the man's fingers as a punishment. Fortunately he was later freed and his kidnappers caught and brought to justice.

This is a true story by the way.

Thanks for sticking with this Wolfier, it didn't go as well as I thought as I was probably guilty of contriving an interesting story into a puzzle. I'm nearly 12 years on this forum and still learning.

Until next time.
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby wolfier » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:15 pm

Argh, it is actually a great puzzle!! Thought we could have continued :p

Really like truth-based stories - always stranger than plain fiction. Cheers.
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom

Postby Balin » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:03 pm

That is a great puzzle! (Of course, not the kidnapping/defingering, but the puzzle part.)
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom [Released]

Postby peter365 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:22 am

Thanks very much for the kind words on the puzzle.

Maybe it was better than I thought.
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Re: [peter365] Tall Dark and Ransom [Released]

Postby WiZ » Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:35 pm

This is a wonderful puzzle. The situation didn't make any sense to me until I saw the solution, which is exactly the point of these things. Great job.
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