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[android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 12:38 pm
by android18
This one will go very quickly I think, something similar has probably been done before. Based off a very short story I read earlier.

Jim died because Michelle spoke to Andrea.

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 12:43 pm
by Zanreo
Jim = HAM, Michelle and Andrea = HAF?

Would Jim have died if Michelle spoke to someone else? If someone else spoke to Andrea?

Did M say something about J? Did she tell A something? Ask something? Did J know M? Did he know A?

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 1:08 pm
by android18
Jim = HAMYes, Michelle and Andrea = HAF?Yes to both

Would Jim have died if Michelle spoke to someone else?No If someone else spoke to Andrea?Yes

Did M say something about J?No Did she tell A something?Irrelevant Ask something?Irrelevant Did J know M?Probably not and irrelevant Did he know A?Same here

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 2:01 pm
by GalFisk
Did Jim want to die? Did Michelle want Jim to die? Did Andrea? Did anyone else?
Did Jim die from: murder? Suicide? Accident? Manslaughter? Heat? Cold? Fire? Frostbite? Exposure? Explosion? Fall? Impact? Suffocation? Strangulation? Hanging? Poison? Venom? Electrocution? Blood loss? Organ failure? Organ damage? Blunt trauma? Sharp trauma? Projectile impact? Pressure? Vacuum? Oxygen deprivation? Old age? Hunger? Thirst? Radiation? Burns? Allergic reaction? Disease? Own stupidity or incompetence?
After Michelle spoke to Andera, did Jim die within: seconds? Minutes? Hour? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Relationship between Michelle and Andrea relevant? Between Jim and Michelle? Jim and Andrea? Are other people involved? Did Michelle and Andrea speak face to face? Relevant? Traffic relevant? War? Punishment?

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 3:31 pm
by android18
Did Jim want to die? Did Michelle want Jim to die? Did Andrea? Did anyone else?No to all
Did Jim die from: murder? Suicide? Accident?This Manslaughter? Heat? Cold? Fire? Frostbite? Exposure? Explosion? Fall? Impact?And this Suffocation? Strangulation? Hanging? Poison? Venom? Electrocution? Blood loss? Organ failure? Organ damage? Blunt trauma? Sharp trauma? Projectile impact? Pressure? Vacuum? Oxygen deprivation? Old age? Hunger? Thirst? Radiation? Burns? Allergic reaction? Disease? Own stupidity or incompetence?Also a little bit of this perhaps
After Michelle spoke to Andera, did Jim die within: seconds?Possibly this Minutes?But probably this Hour? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Relationship between Michelle and Andrea relevant?Not really, but friends Between Jim and Michelle? Jim and Andrea?Jim is a stranger to both Michelle and Andrea Are other people involved?Yes Did Michelle and Andrea speak face to face?No Relevant?Yes Traffic relevant?Yes War? Punishment?


Some good questions there!

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 3:35 pm
by GalFisk
Was Jim in or on a vehicle? Was Jim hit by a vehicle? Did Jim fall out of of off of a vehicle? Was Andrea in or on a vehicle? Was Michelle? Did Michelle speak to Andrea through a phone? Other communications device? Speaker? Radio? Did Jim drive inattentively? Did Michelle? Did Andrea? Did someone else? WAG: Did Jim want Andrea to hang up her phone? And while communicating this to her he forgot to focus on traffic?

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 3:38 pm
by android18
Was Jim in or on a vehicle?No Was Jim hit by a vehicle?This Did Jim fall out of of off of a vehicle?No Was Andrea in or on a vehicle?No Was Michelle?No Did Michelle speak to Andrea through a phone?Yes Other communications device? Speaker? Radio? Did Jim drive inattentively? Did Michelle? Did Andrea?No to these Did someone else?Yesish WAG: Did Jim want Andrea to hang up her phone? And while communicating this to her he forgot to focus on traffic?Afraid not!

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 3:54 pm
by GalFisk
Was Jim walking? Was Michelle? Was Andrea? Did Jim look at Andrea? Hear Andrea speak? Mistake something she said as being directed at him? Was Jim hit by a car? Truck? Train? Tram? Relevant? Was he in a city? Were there lights directing him? Did he walk into traffic? Did he stop where traffic started to move?

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 5:48 pm
by android18
Was Jim walking?Yes Was Michelle?No Was Andrea?Yes Did Jim look at Andrea?Yope Hear Andrea speak?Presumably but irrelevant Mistake something she said as being directed at him?So no Was Jim hit by a car?This but truck could also work Truck? Train? Tram? Relevant? YesWas he in a city?Most probably Were there lights directing him?Yes Did he walk into traffic?Yes! Did he stop where traffic started to move?Not entirely sure what you mean by this

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 9:04 pm
by GalFisk
I mean, did he stop in a place that would soon be overrun by traffic?
Did he fail to pay attention to the lights? Did he misinterpret the lights? Did Andrea's phone emit relevant light? Did Andrea pay attention? Did Jim follow her blindly?

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 11:14 am
by android18
I mean, did he stop in a place that would soon be overrun by traffic? Not really, he just stepped out into it
Did he fail to pay attention to the lights?Yope Did he misinterpret the lights?Yope Did Andrea's phone emit relevant light?No Did Andrea pay attention?Yes Did Jim follow her blindly?Yope

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 2:44 pm
by Tiger
Does Michelle say something to Andrea about traffic or driving?

Does whatever Michelle say influence Andrea's driving or decision making? Does Andrea change her mind about something?

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2018 2:49 pm
by android18
Does Michelle say something to Andrea about traffic or driving? No

Does whatever Michelle say influence Andrea's driving or decision making? Does Andrea change her mind about something?No to all

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 2:26 pm
by Tiger
Is Michelle driving the car that kills Jim? If no, is she a passenger in that car?

Do Michelle and Andrea know each other on a personal level? If the call had occurred 15 minutes earlier, would Jim still have died?

Would this puzzle work if Jim were a young child?

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:17 pm
by android18
Is Michelle driving the car that kills Jim?No If no, is she a passenger in that car?No

Do Michelle and Andrea know each other on a personal level?Yes, they're friends If the call had occurred 15 minutes earlier, would Jim still have died?No

Would this puzzle work if Jim were a young child?Don't see why not

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 6:09 pm
by Tiger
Jim = walking, Andrea = walking, Michelle = not walking & not in a vehicle

So Michelle is staying where she is throughout the puzzle... is she indoors? At home? Would it be helpful to figure out where Michelle is specifically, or is general location good enough?

Jim is close enough to see and hear Andrea, right? Is he walking behind her? In front of her? Next to her?

Does Jim get hit by a car that is moving in reverse?

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:30 am
by android18
Jim = walkingYope, Andrea = walkingYope, Michelle = not walking & not in a vehicleYes to both, although it could work if it was no to both too

So Michelle is staying where she is throughout the puzzle... is she indoors? At home? Would it be helpful to figure out where Michelle is specificallyNo, or is general location good enough?But her location is relevant

Jim is close enough to see and hear Andrea, right?Yope Is he walking behind her? In front of her? Next to her?This is closest, but FA

Does Jim get hit by a car that is moving in reverse?No

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:17 am
by GalFisk
Jim=standing? Running? Skating? Rollerskating? Skateboarding? Bicycling? Tricycling? Unicycling? Balance-wheeling (segway/hoverboard/similar)? Flying? Being dragged? Falling? Sliding? Stumbling? Moving on wheel(s)? On a conveyor? Escalator? Lift? Moving by own power? Gravity? Pedal power? Electric power? Combustion engine power?
Same Q for Andrea, please.

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:24 pm
by android18
Jim=standing?This, no to rest Running? Skating? Rollerskating? Skateboarding? Bicycling? Tricycling? Unicycling? Balance-wheeling (segway/hoverboard/similar)? Flying? Being dragged? Falling? Sliding? Stumbling? Moving on wheel(s)? On a conveyor? Escalator? Lift? Moving by own power? Gravity? Pedal power? Electric power? Combustion engine power?
Same Q for Andrea, please. Standing

FA cleared for both.

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:39 pm
by GalFisk
Is Jim facing Andrea? Is Andrea facing Jim? Andrea's ringtone relevant? Jim's?

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:25 pm
by android18
Is Jim facing Andrea?No Is Andrea facing Jim?No Andrea's ringtone relevant?Yes! Jim's?No

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:01 pm
by GalFisk
Did Jim think Andrea's ringtone was the signal to start walking? Did he have problems seeing? Did he rely on sound to know when it was safe to walk?

Re: [android18] Modern life is rubbish

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:22 pm
by android18
Did Jim think Andrea's ringtone was the signal to start walking? Did he have problems seeing? Did he rely on sound to know when it was safe to walk? Yes, yes and yes!

**********SPOILER**********

Jim and Andrea are both waiting at a pedestrian crossing. Jim is blind and so relies on a sound signal to know when it is safe to cross. Unfortunately, Andrea's ringtone sounds very similar to the signal so when Michelle calls, Jim thinks it is safe to cross but it is not and he steps into the path of an oncoming vehicle.


Thanks to everyone who took part and congrats to GalFisk for the solve!