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[invisiblemimsy] A Club and a Spade

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:41 pm

In Florida, Indiana and several other states, prison inmates can buy playing cards from commissary for $2. Besides the suits, these cards have faces and words on them. That $2 can be an excellent investment for some inmates.

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Postby wolfier » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:34 pm

did some cards relevantly turn into currency?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:26 pm

wolfier wrote:did some cards relevantly turn into currency? No
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:34 pm

Excellent investment: it earns money? It is useful beyond playing games? It is useful in gambling? Relevant what faces and words are on them? Is it an excellent investment for inmates: with a certain skill? Of a certain former profession? Imprisoned for a certain length of time? For a certain crime? Social standing with other inmates relevant? With guards?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:47 pm

GalFisk wrote:Excellent investment: it earns money? Sometimes, and sometimes something else It is useful beyond playing games? Yes It is useful in gambling? No Relevant what faces and words are on them? Yes Is it an excellent investment for inmates: with a certain skill? no Of a certain former profession? no Imprisoned for a certain length of time? no For a certain crime? no Social standing with other inmates relevant? yesish With guards? no
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Postby biograd » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:49 pm

Do they use the words and/or pictures to communicate? to help non-English-speaking inmates learn to read English? or help illiterate inmates learn to read at all?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:53 pm

biograd wrote:Do they use the words and/or pictures to communicate? to help non-English-speaking inmates learn to read English? or help illiterate inmates learn to read at all? No to all
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] A Club and a Spade

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:27 pm

Faces: celebrities? Cartoons? Caricatures? Photos? Drawings? Do they use them to trick others? Help others? Communicate? Hiding something from the guards relevant? Do they change the cards in order to reap the benefit?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:25 pm

GalFisk wrote:Faces: celebrities? Cartoons? Caricatures? no to these Photos? yes Drawings? no Do they use them to trick others? no Help others? yes Communicate? yes Hiding something from the guards relevant? no Do they change the cards in order to reap the benefit? not sure what you mean by this
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Postby wolfier » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:52 pm

do inmates relevantly use the cards to identify themselves? as part of a gang or faction? to show allegiance to something?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Jul 03, 2018 10:22 pm

wolfier wrote:do inmates relevantly use the cards to identify themselves? as part of a gang or faction? to show allegiance to something? No to all
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Postby Earnest » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:31 am

Are the card used as they are bought? Or are they cut? Used just a part?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:31 am

Do they modify the cards in any way? Do they give away cards? Violence relevant? Threats?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:27 am

Earnest wrote:Are the card used as they are bought? This Or are they cut? Used just a part?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:30 am

GalFisk wrote:Do they modify the cards in any way? The prison does Do they give away cards? No Violence relevant? Yope... explore Threats? No
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:40 am

Yope-violence: bullying? Potential violence? Rioting? Hunger strike? Relevant why the prison modifies the cards?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:47 am

GalFisk wrote:Yope-violence: bullying? Potential violence? Rioting? Hunger strike? No to all Relevant why the prison modifies the cards? Very much so
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:18 am

Do they modify the cards in order to make them useful in this way? Are decks of cards identical to one another? Do all cards in a deck have the same face? The same word? Are the cards printed in order to know which ones belong a to a specific deck? To a specific person?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:08 am

GalFisk wrote:Do they modify the cards in order to make them useful in this way? yes Are decks of cards identical to one another? yes Do all cards in a deck have the same face? no The same word? no Are the cards printed in order to know which ones belong a to a specific deck? no To a specific person? no
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Postby GalFisk » Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:12 am

Are they faces of inmates? Of guards? Of people the inmates know? People they like? When the cards are used, are they: shown to other inmates? Used in a game? Given to toher inmates? Traded? Placed somewhere for others to see? Combined? Do they form a message? Are the words on the cards used to form a message?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:19 pm

GalFisk wrote:Are they faces of inmates? no Of guards? no Of people the inmates know? some are People they like? no/irrel When the cards are used, are they: shown to other inmates? only in so far as... Used in a game? this Given to toher inmates? no, except within the game Traded? no Placed somewhere for others to see? only within the game Combined? no Do they form a message? no Are the words on the cards used to form a message? no
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Postby wolfier » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:23 pm

is the action of the prison sanctioned or legal? or just custom carried out by guards? would "violence" become more or less likely with each use of the cards?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:30 pm

wolfier wrote:is the action of the prison sanctioned or legal? Yes... as stated, the playing cards were freely available to buy from commissary. or just custom carried out by guards? No would "violence" become more or less likely with each use of the cards? Neither, possible FA
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Postby wolfier » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:46 pm

about the violence:. is it done by the inmates? to the inmates? inside or outside the prisons?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:19 pm

Are the cards relevantly plastified? Does the game involve more than one person? Are faces and words put there by the prison? Do communications through the cards from the inside of the prison to the outside? Vice versa? Both? Or just for internal communications among inmates? Type of communication = illegal communications? Weapons relevant? Commerce of drug relevant? Alchol? Others?

Is the game involving cards a game of bettings? Like poker? A game played mainly in prisons? Relevant who owned the cards? Is the owner if the cards taking advantage of owning the cards when playing the game? Take them all back once the game is finished? Are the words and the faces relevant in the communication part? Does the communication happen during the game? After the game? Before the game?
Is the communication made to fool someone playimg yhe game?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:51 pm

wolfier wrote:about the violence:. is it done by the inmates? some of them to the inmates? no inside or outside the prisons? outside
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:02 pm

Earnest wrote:Are the cards relevantly plastified? no/irrel Does the game involve more than one person? yes Are faces and words put there by the prison? yes Do communications through the cards from the inside of the prison to the outside? no Vice versa? no Both?no Or just for internal communications yesish...among inmates? but no Type of communication = illegal communications? Weapons relevant? Commerce of drug relevant? Alchol? no to all Others? yes

Is the game involving cards a game of bettings? Like poker? A game played mainly in prisons? Relevant who owned the cards? Is the owner if the cards taking advantage of owning the cards when playing the game? Take them all back once the game is finished? No or irrel to these Are the words and the faces relevant in the communication part? yes Does the communication happen during the game? partly, but FA lurking After the game? more this Before the game? no
Is the communication made to fool someone playimg yhe game? no
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Postby wolfier » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:08 am

I think I've heard about this. PM sent.l
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Postby Earnest » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:20 am

Communications with the guards? With someone belonging to the prison personnel? Communication to obtain something (e.g. cigarettes, filters...)? Is the exact game per se relevant? Could it be any game? Are cards relevantly distributed among players? If so, randomly? Following a precise order? Are players only inmates? Is playing cards the only way to communicate with guards? Does the game consist in distributing cards face up/down? Can the game be defined a conventional card game?

Are the words written beside the cards the same for each deck of cards? (To be sure are complete decks sold or just some cards?) For each card of the deck? Are the words written on the corners of the cards? Do inmates read them? If so, do they understand sonething relevant in reading beside the cards? Words = a name? Names in general? Name of famous people? Date? The prison approval? A stamp? Something like a postmark that can be used/reproduced to send letters?

Is death penalty relevant? Is a game in the game being made? (E.g. beside the suits there is a lottery ticket to win some benefit inside the prison) Do inmates write as well on cards?

Communication after the game = two inmates? A guard and an inmate? Two guards?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:20 am

Earnest wrote:Communications with the guards? Yes, and others With someone belonging to the prison personnel? Communication to obtain something Yes (e.g. cigarettes, filters...)? no Is the exact game per se relevant? no Could it be any game? yes Are cards relevantly distributed among players? yes If so, randomly? yes Following a precise order? no, just according to whatever game they happen to be playing at the time Are players only inmates? yes Is playing cards the only way to communicate with guards? no Does the game consist in distributing cards face up/down? irrel Can the game be defined a conventional card game? yes

Are the words written beside the cards the same for each deck of cards? yes (To be sure are complete decks sold or just some cards?) complete decks For each card of the deck? each card of the deck is different i.e. different words and faces
Are the words written on the corners of the cards? no/irrel Do inmates read them? yes If so, do they understand sonething relevant in reading beside the cards? yes Words = a name? yes,
and something else
Names in general? no Name of famous people? for SVV of 'famous' Date? no/irrel The prison approval? A stamp? Something like a postmark that can be used/reproduced to send letters? no to these

Is death penalty relevant? no, or only tangentially Is a game in the game being made? (E.g. beside the suits there is a lottery ticket to win some benefit inside the prison) no Do inmates write as well on cards? no or irrel

Communication after the game = two inmates? A guard and an inmate? this Two guards?
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Postby peter365 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:59 am

Are the persons depicted on the cards victims of crime?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:38 am

peter365 wrote:Are the persons depicted on the cards victims of crime? YES!
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Postby Earnest » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:19 pm

Is it something to educate prisoners? To make them remember their victims? Are those cards assigned to every type of prisoner or according to the crime committed?

Do inmates obtain permissions thanks to the guards? (E.g. go and pray in the chapel?) Can they make requests to guards after they played cards exploiting the victim's name?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:45 pm

Earnest wrote:Is it something to educate prisoners? no To make them remember their victims? very much OTRT Are those cards assigned to every type of prisoner or according to the crime committed? Not sure what you mean exactly?

Do inmates obtain permissions thanks to the guards? (E.g. go and pray in the chapel?) no Can they make requests to guards a specific request, yes after they played cards exploiting the victim's name? They don't 'exploit' the victim's name... poss FA
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Postby Earnest » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:05 pm

In order them not to forget the name of their victims? Are the requests made by inmates after having played satisfied by guards? Are the requests related directly to the cards? Indirectly (that is something related to the victims)? Are inmates happy of seeing their victims' faces on the cards? Would they like to change the deck of cards? Or to obtain something that would let them having more freedom? (E.g. make the other inmates playong cards to circulate the faces of the victims...?)

Do guards want relevantly that prisoners see the faces of their victims? If so would they give advantahes to those who are in possession of the cards in order to reach theor aim?
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Postby Balin » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:07 pm

I know this one; since it's progressed quite a bit I'll stay out.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:55 pm

Earnest wrote:In order them not to forget the name of their victims? Still OTRT Are the requests made by inmates after having played satisfied by guards? If they make a specific request to the guard, their request will be granted. This request can be made at any time, not just after playing card games. Are the requests related directly to the cards? Indirectly (that is something related to the victims)? This Are inmates happy of seeing their victims' faces on the cards? [Some are, some aren't, it depends Would they like to change the deck of cards? Irrel Or to obtain something that would let them having more freedom? (E.g. make the other inmates playong cards to circulate the faces of the victims...?) irrel
Do guards want relevantly that prisoners see the faces of their victims? yes If so would they give advantahes YES to those who are in possession of the cards but not like this in order to reach theor aim? Yes
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Postby Earnest » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:18 am

Do inmates expect to see the victims'faces on the cards? Does this work for any inmate (I mean it does not depend on the crime they committed, right? If they kill someone or steal something to someone is the same? Because I have a doubt which is the next question...) Relevant that in a regular deck there are 52 cards? Are the requests of inmates made in order to do something in favor of victims'families?
Permission to buy something? Permission to collect the cards? Permission to burn the cards? Permission to drink alchol? Permission to keep the light on during night? Do guards know that there are victims'faces on the cards?
Do prisoners sell the cards to newcomers?
Can prisoners ask to go to the court and witness?

To do something that is usually not allowed in prison in general? In that specific sector of the prison? To give the cards back?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:32 pm

Earnest wrote:Do inmates expect to see the victims'faces on the cards? Yes Does this work for any inmate (I mean it does not depend on the crime they committed, right? Potentially, but it depends what you mean by "this" If they kill someone or steal something to someone is the same? Only serious crimes such as murder, rape, paedophilia etc are relevant. Lesser crimes such as burglary would be irrelevant here . Because I have a doubt which is the next question...) Relevant that in a regular deck there are 52 cards? no Are the requests of inmates made in order to do something in favor of victims'families? Yes, but something else too
Permission to buy something? Permission to collect the cards? Permission to burn the cards? Permission to drink alchol? Permission to keep the light on during night? no to these Do guards know that there are victims'faces on the cards? yes of course
Do prisoners sell the cards to newcomers? no
Can prisoners ask to go to the court and witness? very much OTRT

To do something that is usually not allowed in prison in general? In that specific sector of the prison? To give the cards back? no to these
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Postby GalFisk » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:57 pm

Are the faces all victims of the inmates in the particular prison? Do the faces help in solving other crimes? Can the prisoners use the faces and words to get a more lenient sentence? Being a witness in court relevant? Doing something else in court?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:17 pm

GalFisk wrote:Are the faces all victims of the inmates in the particular prison? no Do the faces help in solving other crimes? yes Can the prisoners use the faces and words to get a more lenient sentence? yes Being a witness in court relevant? Could be,
but I don't think so
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:54 pm

Are they victims of unsolved crimes? Any crime? Murder? Violence? Are they dead? Missing?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:21 am

GalFisk wrote:Are they victims of unsolved crimes? yes Any crime? Murder? this in particular Violence? Are they dead? yes Missing? poss could be missing presumed dead
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Postby GalFisk » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:07 am

So the idea is to solve unsolved murders, by having inmates see if they recognize the victims? Do inmates get a shorter sentence if they help solve these murders? Are they required to report what they know? Encouraged to do so?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:42 am

GalFisk wrote:So the idea is to solve unsolved murders, by having inmates see if they recognize the victims? Do inmates get a shorter sentence if they help solve these murders? Are they required to report what they know? Encouraged to do so?


Yes, that's pretty much it.

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In Connecticut, Florida, Indiana and a few other states, prisoners are encouraged to share what they know about murders, disappearances etc. The cards depict victims. Prisoners talk. If they give up information which helps solve crimes, they can get time off, or increased privileges. Since everyone sees the cards, if a criminal gets ratted, he doesn't know who is responsible.

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