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[WiZ] She did not trade it for 1 wagon tongue

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:28 pm
by WiZ
Why did Katrina buy a set of clothing identical to one she already owned, which was a random assortment of general clothing, still in perfectly good condition and she wasn't especially attached to?

ROIMBT. Caveat Earlispoilor.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:21 am
by wolfier
twins relevant?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:38 pm
by WiZ
twins relevant? no

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:40 pm
by wolfier
am going to ask more questions than usual this time:

is this second set of clothings meant for herself? as a backup? does she foresee a situation that the second set will be needed? to be used simultaneously with the first set? is borrowing or lending relevant? body double? exact type of clothings relevant? are they perishable?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:43 pm
by WiZ
am going to ask more questions than usual this time:

is this second set of clothings meant for herself? yes as a backup? no does she foresee a situation that the second set will be needed? yes to be used simultaneously with the first set? 'no' is less misleading is borrowing or lending relevant? no body double? no exact type of clothings relevant? no are they perishable? to the degree you would expect an everyday set of clothing to be

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:43 am
by GalFisk
Does she want to be able to change clothes without it being apparent that she has done so? Does she want to trick or fool someone? Will one set of clothing be relevantly different from the other? Modified in some way? Cleanliness or hygiene relevant?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:48 am
by WiZ
Does she want to be able to change clothes without it being apparent that she has done so? no Does she want to trick or fool someone? yes, FA lurking Will one set of clothing be relevantly different from the other? yes Modified in some way? no Cleanliness or hygiene relevant? no to both

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 3:53 am
by GalFisk
Does she want to fool herself? Different: modified somehow? Cleaner? Less worn? Less wrinkly? Odor relevant? Moisture? Is her profession relevant? Interests? Hobbies? Are other people involved? If so: 1? 2? More? 1 group? 2? More?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:23 am
by WiZ
Does she want to fool herself? no Different: modified somehow? no Cleaner? Less worn? Less wrinkly? yes, but irrelevant to all Odor relevant? Moisture? no to both Is her profession relevant? no Interests? Hobbies? yes to both Are other people involved? yes If so: 1? 2? More? more 1 group? 2? More? more

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:55 am
by GalFisk
Other people: friends? Family? Enemies? Colleagues? Fellow hobbyists? Children?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:47 pm
by WiZ
Other people: friends? Family? yes to both Enemies? Colleagues? no to both Fellow hobbyists? Children? yes to both

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:08 pm
by GalFisk
Is her hobby related to: clothing? Children? Family? Magic tricks? Is it performed outdoors? At home? Does it require relevant equipment? Video recording relevant? Photography? Does she have an identical twin?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:40 pm
by WiZ
Is her hobby related to: clothing? no Children? yesish Family? no Magic tricks? no Is it performed outdoors? typically not At home? yes, although not exclusively Does it require relevant equipment? sometimes Video recording relevant? yes, in this case Photography? no Does she have an identical twin? no

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:07 am
by wolfier
Is this person a Vlogger? Someone who tries to create an illusion of twins on videos? By letting someone wear the other set of cloths and then edit her own head on top?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:37 pm
by WiZ
Is this person a Vlogger? no Someone who tries to create an illusion of twins on videos? no By letting someone wear the other set of cloths and then edit her own head on top? no. Interesting concept.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:16 pm
by peter365
Will Katrina be wearing the 2nd set of clothes? Will they be worn in the normal manner? Is there any relevant design , pattern or logo on the clothes? Are the colours relevant? Will she do anything relevant with the original set of clothes when she wears the second set? Will she ever wear the original set again?

Will she switch outfits secretly? Is she trying to convince that clothes which have been damaged in some way are as good as new . Is she trying to sell something ? Is she using her family as a dummy run for something bigger?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:03 pm
by WiZ
Will Katrina be wearing the 2nd set of clothes? yes Will they be worn in the normal manner? yes Is there any relevant design , pattern or logo on the clothes? no Are the colours relevant? no Will she do anything relevant with the original set of clothes when she wears the second set? no Will she ever wear the original set again? no - good question

Will she switch outfits secretly? yes, a world of FAs lurking Is she trying to convince that clothes which have been damaged in some way are as good as new no. Is she trying to sell something ? no Is she using her family as a dummy run for something bigger? no

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:56 am
by wolfier
is any kind of magic, illusion or performance relevant?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:18 am
by WiZ
is any kind of magic no , illusion yope or performance yesish relevant?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:33 am
by wolfier
is she making videos for children? of children? is the motivation be able to appear wearing the same set of cloths for a long time (while the actual sets are out of commission? e.g. in the washing machine)

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:36 am
by WiZ
is she making videos for children? of children? she is *appearing* in videoed content for, and of, children is the motivation be able to appear wearing the same set of cloths yes for a long time no (while the actual sets are out of commission yesish ? e.g. in the washing machine no)

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:42 am
by peter365
Are the clothes a costume of some description? Do they cover her face in any way? Is she recognisable in both outfits? Is the video educational? Is there a moral or a message?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:27 pm
by WiZ
Are the clothes a costume of some description? no Do they cover her face in any way? no Is she recognisable in both outfits? yes Is the video educational? it is Is there a moral or a message? there is

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:55 am
by LemonCurry
Does she talk about the second set of clothing in the video? Or show it? Did she damage her first set of clothing in the video?

Was the video about "how videos are made", with a message that not everything you see in one go is shot in one go? And that you should be prepared if some incident like messing your clothing happens?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:34 pm
by WiZ
Does she talk about the second set of clothing in the video? no Or show it? no (outside of being seen wearing it) Did she damage her first set of clothing in the video? no

Was the video about "how videos are made", with a message that not everything you see in one go is shot in one go? And that you should be prepared if some incident like messing your clothing happens? no to both - but this is principle itself is very relevant

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:59 pm
by irishelk
Is the message of the video about clothing? About cleanliness?

Did she begin making the video and then realize the need for a second set of clothing? Did she buy it before filming? After filming? Is she attempting to wear in real life the same outfit she wears in the film?

Will she appear, in the finished film, in both identical sets of clothing?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:15 pm
by WiZ
Is the message of the video about clothing? About cleanliness? neither, in any significant sense

Did she begin making the video and then realize the need for a second set of clothing? yes - although she didn't 'make' the video so much as appear in it Did she buy it before filming? yes After filming? yes Is she attempting to wear in real life the same outfit she wears in the film? no

Will she appear, in the finished film, in both identical sets of clothing? yes

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:32 am
by peter365
Is the purpose of the film to make children safe? in her two appearances in the video is she playing the same part? Is she a baddie?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:24 pm
by WiZ
Is the purpose of the film to make children safe? no in her two appearances in the video is she playing the same part? yes Is she a baddie? Quite the opposite

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:32 am
by wolfier
did she anticipate one set of the clothes to relevantly get dirty or soiled? wrinkled? wet?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:01 pm
by WiZ
did she anticipate one set of the clothes to relevantly get dirty or soiled? wrinkled? wet? no to all

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:49 am
by LemonCurry
Was she advised to get the other set of clothing by the filmmakers?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:32 pm
by irishelk
She bought it both before and after filming--did he actually buy three sets of this outfit? More? Did she buy part of the duplicate set before filming, and part after?

Does the video involve her changing clothes? A montage of any kind? Is she supposed to be changing back into her original clothes, but for some filming reason it is easier to put new clothes on her? Is she playing a superhero?

Is anyone else in the video relevant? Does someone relevantly touch her clothing in the video? Does someone else in the video wear the second set? Is the way this particular clothing appears on camera relevant?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:35 pm
by WiZ
LemonCurry

Was she advised to get the other set of clothing by the filmmakers? Yes (although more 'instructed' than 'advised')

IrishElk

She bought it both before and after filming this is a useful thing to explore --did he actually buy three sets of this outfit? no More? no Did she buy part of the duplicate set before filming, and part after? no - she bought all the duplicate set at the same time

Does the video involve her changing clothes? no A montage of any kind? no Is she supposed to be changing back into her original clothes, but for some filming reason it is easier to put new clothes on her? no Is she playing a superhero? no

Is anyone else in the video relevant? no Does someone relevantly touch her clothing in the video? no Does someone else in the video wear the second set? no Is the way this particular clothing appears on camera relevant? no

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:51 pm
by Balin
Within the context of the film, does time pass? Does she want an audience of children to be able to recognize her despite the passage of time?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:26 pm
by WiZ
Within the context of the film, does time pass? not much - only half an hour or so Does she want an audience of children to be able to recognize her despite the passage of time? yes

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:31 pm
by irishelk
Outside the context of the film, does a lot of time pass? i.e., does it take years to film the video?

Does she buy the outfit in the plot of the film at any point?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:39 pm
by WiZ
Outside the context of the film, does a lot of time pass? i.e., does it take years not 'years', but several months to film the video? Yes, very good.

Does she buy the outfit in the plot of the film at any point? no

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:57 am
by LemonCurry
Is there a reason why they have so much time pass between filming sessions? Would the puzzle work with only a week's gap between sessions?
Is the old outfit no longer in her possession?

What about this: The film is about a health-related topic. Katrina has lost weight between sessions throuh a healthy Lifestyle. She has given away her old clothing as it doesn't fit her any more, but the filmmakers think it's a good idea that she wear the old outfit again to make the weight loss more obvious?

EDIT: Or she's had her old outfit tailored?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:03 pm
by WiZ
Is there a reason why they have so much time pass between filming sessions? yes Would the puzzle work with only a week's gap between sessions? no
Is the old outfit no longer in her possession? no

What about this: The film is about a health-related topic no. Katrina has lost weight between sessions throuh a healthy Lifestyle. She has given away her old clothing as it doesn't fit her any more, but the filmmakers think it's a good idea that she wear the old outfit again to make the weight loss more obvious? But this line of thinking is very ORT

EDIT: Or she's had her old outfit tailored? no

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:26 pm
by irishelk
So to be sure: She buys a second outfit between filming sessions? Right before the second one? Is the first part that's filmed released before the second part is filmed?

Has her old outfit changed in any way? Faded? Shrunk in the wash?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:33 pm
by WiZ
So to be sure: She buys a second outfit between filming sessions? yes Right before the second one? relevantly closer to the second than the first Is the first part that's filmed released before the second part is filmed? no!

Has her old outfit changed in any way? no Faded? Shrunk in the wash? n/a to all

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:06 pm
by irishelk
Do they request she get a second outfit *in case* something happens? Is the first outfit inaccessible in some way? Packed up? On display?
Sorry to keep repeating questions in slightly different ways, but this is a real head-scratcher...does she wear just the original outfit in the first part of filming? Does she relevantly wear anything else? Does she wear just the identical outfit in the second part of filming? Does she wear the first outfit in the second part? Does the first outfit appear in the second part with her not wearing it? Does she relevantly wear anything else in the second part?
Would everyone watching the finished product be aware that there were two sets of clothing? If a savvy watcher thought about it, could they infer that there were two sets of clothing?
Is it relevant that she plays a good guy?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:07 pm
by LemonCurry
Was the first outfit not available for the second filming session? Was the second session shot far away from home?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:36 pm
by WiZ
IrishElk

Do they request she get a second outfit *in case* something happens? no Is the first outfit inaccessible in some way? Packed up? On display? no to all
Sorry to keep repeating questions in slightly different ways, but this is a real head-scratcher...does she wear just the original outfit in the first part of filming? yes Does she relevantly wear anything else? no, just the two outfits at various stages Does she wear just the identical outfit in the second part of filming? yes Does she wear the first outfit in the second part? no Does the first outfit appear in the second part with her not wearing it? no Does she relevantly wear anything else in the second part? no
Would everyone watching the finished product be aware that there were two sets of clothing? no! If a savvy watcher thought about it, could they infer that there were two sets of clothing? yes
Is it relevant that she plays a good guy? Only to establish the nature of the show - she played a detective, on the hunt for a certain well-known criminal

LemonCurry

Was the first outfit not available for the second filming session? no Was the second session shot far away from home? no

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:14 am
by LemonCurry
Was she not allowed to wear the first outfit in the second session? By law? By contract? By vow?

Was the second session made by a different Producer?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:37 pm
by irishelk
Was she making a point? Making a joke? Playing a prank? Was someone else doing any of those?

Is the budget of the project relevant? Who it will be shown to, or where?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:33 pm
by WiZ
LemonCurry

Was she not allowed to wear the first outfit in the second session? She wasn't forbidden to wear it, per se, but the studio would probably not have accepted her wearing it. There were other considerations which meant that Katrina would be averse to wearing it, too By law? no By contract? noish By vow? no

Was the second session made by a different Producer? no

IrishElk

Was she making a point? Making a joke? Playing a prank? Was someone else doing any of those? no to all

Is the budget of the project relevant? no Who it will be shown to, or where? no

Re: [WiZ] She did not trade it for 1 wagon tongue

PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:29 am
by LemonCurry
So the first set was in good condition - but did the studio think it wasn‘t? Did they think it was not safe to wear for the second filming session? Did they think it was inappropriate? Unhygienic? Revealing?

Are any medical issues relevant? Religious issues? Superstition?

The reason there was so much time between sessions: had it something to do with Katrina? Was she sick? Having an accident? Having a baby?
Something to do with the production company? Something legal? Had they to wait for other weather conditions? For a special event?

Did the producers actually instruct her to get an exactly identical outfit? Or did they ask for an outfit that looked only the same?

Re: [WiZ] She did not trade it for 1 wagon tongue

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:19 am
by WiZ
So the first set was in good condition - but did the studio think it wasn‘t? No - they would have deemed it intact, clean and wearable by someone Did they think it was not safe to wear for the second filming session? not 'unsafe', but ORT Did they think it was inappropriate? yes Unhygienic? no Revealing? Quite potentially

Are any medical issues relevant? Religious issues? Superstition? no to all

The reason there was so much time between sessions: had it something to do with Katrina? Was she sick? Having an accident? Having a baby? None of the above - the reason for the wait isn't relevant... but something about the outfit change concerns Katrina
Something to do with the production company? yes Something legal? Had they to wait for other weather conditions? For a special event? no to all

Did the producers actually instruct her to get an exactly identical outfit? Or did they ask for an outfit that looked only the same? this; they wanted to create the impression that she was wearing the same outfit

Re: [WiZ] She did not trade it for 1 wagon tongue

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:39 am
by LemonCurry
Do we need to find out more about the paricular outfit? Would jeans and t-shirt work?

Has anything changed about Katrina‘s appearance? She has not lost weight, mut maybe she has put on a bit? Did the filmmakers think she‘ll need a bigger size, but Katrina wouldn‘t admit?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:21 pm
by irishelk
Did she undergo plastic surgery? Going off of LemonCurry's suggestions--she bought the same outfit, but is this what the production crew wanted her to do? Did they perhaps hope that she would take the hint and buy something different?

Was the second outfit bought a different size? Different brand? Relevantly from a different store?

Re: [WiZ] She did not trade it for 1 wagon tongue

PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:46 pm
by WiZ
LemonCurry

Do we need to find out more about the paricular outfit? no Would jeans and t-shirt work? yes

Has anything changed about Katrina‘s appearance? yes She has not lost weight, mut maybe she has put on a bit? yes, FA lurking Did the filmmakers think she‘ll need a bigger size, yes but Katrina wouldn‘t admit? no -she would readily acknowledge this

IrishElk

Did she undergo plastic surgery? no Going off of LemonCurry's suggestions--she bought the same outfit, but is this what the production crew wanted her to do? Yes - ordered, in fact Did they perhaps hope that she would take the hint and buy something different? no

Was the second outfit bought a different size? yes Different brand? Relevantly from a different store? no to rest

Re: [WiZ] She did not trade it for 1 wagon tongue

PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 6:18 am
by LemonCurry
Oh my, you have not been getting away for over 50 posts on this forum with the heroine not beinh HA, have you?

If you have: is Katrina a teenager? Has she just grown like kids do, and maybe acquired a more feminine shape, like girls do, so she obviously needed new clothes?

Re: [WiZ] She did not trade it for 1 wagon tongue

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:31 pm
by WiZ
Oh my, you have not been getting away for over 50 posts on this forum with the heroine not beinh HA, have you? Heh. Heh. Heh. She is indeed not HA.

If you have: is Katrina a teenager? yes (or on the verge of) Has she just grown like kids do yes, and maybe acquired a more feminine shape, like girls do, so she obviously needed new clothes?

***** SPOILER *****

Katrina is a contestant on a kid's game show (Carmen Sandiego, if you were wondering). For scheduling reasons, the two halves of the episode she featured on were shot about 6 months apart. In the interim, Katrina was bitten by the puberty bug and outgrew her first set of clothing. In order to maintain the illusion that the episode was unfolding in real time, the studio ordered her to go out and buy the same clothes she wore for the first half, a size or two up. They even refused to pay for them!


Congratulations, LemonCurry, on the solve. And let that be a lesson to everyone not to suppress your 'HAF?' reflex.