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[Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Balin » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:46 pm

Burton has never lived in Kansas City, he has no family or friends there, and he does not plan to move there. So why does he deliberately go out and acquire a Kansas City phone book?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:09 am

Is the Wizard of Oz relevant?

Does he wish to find a telephone number in the book? Is he looking for a specific person? A person who meets certain requirements? Does the book have another relevant characteristic other than that it contains phone numbers? Is its colour relevant? Its thickness? Its weight?

Relevant how he acquires it? Does he buy it? From a shop? From a person? Does he trade something for it? Does he just get it for free?

Burton = ham?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Balin » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:28 am

Is the Wizard of Oz relevant? No

Does he wish to find a telephone number in the book? No Is he looking for a specific person? No A person who meets certain requirements? No Does the book have another relevant characteristic other than that it contains phone numbers? Yes Is its colour relevant? No Its thickness? No Its weight? No

Relevant how he acquires it? Not really Does he buy it? No, but this would probably work just as well From a shop? From a person? Does he trade something for it? No Does he just get it for free? In a way - he steals it

Burton = ham? Absolutely, and he's also a Human Adult Male
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:28 am

Did he want himself to use the phone book? Give to someone else? Did he want to check phone numbers? For instance he wanted to know the prefix of Kansas city? Addresses? Is it relevant that the phone book was of Kansas city and not of another city? Is him a criminal a part from the tgeft of the book? Does he have businesses in Kansas? Did he want yo steal that book or for instance the book resembled another?

Did he want that book for the value of the book? For the info contained in the book? To put it in the letter box so that no more advertisement was put inside it? To let someone know he want to transfer even if it was not true? Was it a specific phone book of KC (e.g. with some of the pages cut? With a signature...) or a generic one
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Postby peter365 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:07 am

is there anything relevant on the cover of the phone book? Relevant that Kansas City is often shortened to KC ? Chiefs relevant? Royals?

Is Burton himself relevantly listed in any phone directory? Does he do this as part of his job? Any relevant crimes?

Is the KC directory unique in some way e.g. design , what it's made from , print, font etc.
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby jumpingjacks » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:34 pm

Does his KC phone book cover Kansas City, Missouri? Kansas City, Kansas? Both?
Is he actually in KC at the time of the puzzle? He 'deliberately goes out'... of his home? of prison?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Balin » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:23 pm

Did he want himself to use the phone book? No Give to someone else? Yope
Did he want to check phone numbers? For instance he wanted to know the prefix of Kansas city? Addresses? No to all
Is it relevant that the phone book was of Kansas city and not of another city? Because of the scenario as a whole, Yes. However, the puzzle could work if it were from another city
Is him a criminal apart from the theft of the book? No Does he have businesses in Kansas? No Did he want yo steal that book Yes or for instance the book resembled another? No, but this is not a bad question

Did he want that book for the value of the book? For the info contained in the book? To put it in the letter box so that no more advertisement was put inside it? To let someone know he want to transfer even if it was not true? No to all
Was it a specific phone book of KC (e.g. with some of the pages cut? With a signature...) or a generic one This

is there anything relevant on the cover of the phone book? One thing Relevant that Kansas City is often shortened to KC ? No Chiefs relevant? Royals? No sports in this one, surprise

Is Burton himself relevantly listed in any phone directory? No Does he do this as part of his job? No Any relevant crimes? Only his stealing the phone book

Is the KC directory unique in some way e.g. design , what it's made from , print, font etc.

Does his KC phone book cover Kansas City, Missouri? This Kansas City, Kansas? Both?
Is he actually in KC at the time of the puzzle? Only to get the book He 'deliberately goes out'... of his home? Yes, but more than just out of his home... of prison? No
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:03 pm

He went out from his city? Was the book a common book (with pages and so on...)?

Had he seen 20 phone books of KC, would he have stolen that particular one? Event though the books were put in such a way to show that part that is neither the front cover nor the back cover (don't know the name...as if it were on a shelf...)? Was the book for sale? Or was it for iinstance in a library? Was it in a particular position? E.g. it opened a secret passage? Once taken it left a hole (e.g. it was in a shelf of a livrary so that he was unable to see who was on the other side...) and he saw someone relevantly? Once stolen did he run away and meet someone? Did he use the book as a sign? Did he burn it/ destroy it? Did it need to be a phone book?
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Postby Balin » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:12 am

He went out from his city? Yes Was the book a common book (with pages and so on...)? Yes

Had he seen 20 phone books of KC, would he have stolen that particular one? He'd have taken any one of the 20 Event though the books were put in such a way to show that part that is neither the front cover nor the back cover (don't know the name...as if it were on a shelf...)? The spine of the book - see prev
Was the book for sale? No Or was it for iinstance in a library? No, but this is a good line of inquiry Was it in a particular position? Not particularly E.g. it opened a secret passage? No Once taken it left a hole (e.g. it was in a shelf of a livrary so that he was unable to see who was on the other side...) and he saw someone relevantly? No Once stolen did he run away and meet someone? He went back home, and later did relevantly meet with people Did he use the book as a sign? No Did he burn it/ destroy it? No and No Did it need to be a phone book? Yes
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Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:32 am

The book was not for sale...to be sure...are we talking about a museum? An historical book? The phone book 2017/2018? Or the phone book of at least one century ago? Was it a limited edition? Yellowpages or whitepages relevant? Were there other books a part from the phone book?

Reason why the book was not for sale = the only copy from which many prints would have been made? historical value? Fingerprints of someone? Saliva of someone? (E.g. while he/she turned the pages) something that made it unique? Did it belong to someone else? To someone relevant? Did he steal it from an house? From a building? From a private place (inside? In outside?)? Did he want to prevent something from happening?

He'd have taken any one of the 20 = because he would not have been able to determine the relevant one? Because he needed as much as possible?

Did he want to make copies of the book? Of some pages of the book? Can we assume that the book was quite new? Still in the film? Fresh of production? Was his name, soneone of the same name of him in the phone book (e.g. he always receive phone calls from strangers asking if he was in KC?)? Did he want to check someone? Is his surname relevant? The name of someone?
Can he have reached the same goal with the online phone book?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:27 pm

The book was not for sale...to be sure...are we talking about a museum? No An historical book? No The phone book 2017/2018? The phone book from whatever year this story took place (so sure, assume 2017-18) Or the phone book of at least one century ago? No Was it a limited edition? No Yellowpages or whitepages relevant? No Were there other books a part from the phone book? No

Reason why the book was not for sale = the only copy from which many prints would have been made? historical value? Fingerprints of someone? Saliva of someone? (E.g. while he/she turned the pages) something that made it unique? No to these
Did it belong to someone else? It belonged to the place he stole it from To someone relevant? No Did he steal it from an house? No From a building? Yes From a private place Yope (inside? In outside?)? Inside Did he want to prevent something from happening? No

He'd have taken any one of the 20 = because he would not have been able to determine the relevant one? Because he needed as much as possible? Because he wanted to take any up-to-date Kansas City phone book

Did he want to make copies of the book? No Of some pages of the book? No Can we assume that the book was quite new? New enough to be of the proper year, but almost certainly not a brand new book Still in the film? No Fresh of production? No Was his name, soneone of the same name of him in the phone book (e.g. he always receive phone calls from strangers asking if he was in KC?)? No Did he want to check someone? No Is his surname relevant? No The name of someone? No
Can he have reached the same goal with the online phone book? No
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby jumpingjacks » Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:33 pm

You mentioned that there is a relevant thing on the cover of the phone book, correct? Is there anything relevant within the pages of the phone book? Could he achieve his purpose by ripping off the cover of the phone book and taking it with him? If the online version of the phone book contained a picture of the cover as well, looking exactly like the print version, would it have been useful to him?

The relevant thing: a photograph? a logo? text?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:51 pm

Did he actually take any up to date KC phone book? Was there a KC phone book on sale somewhere in the world or on the net? If so, could he have bought it? Or does the puzzle work only if he steals the book? Had the book been stolen for its content? For something in its pages?

Did he steal the KC phone book from a relevant place of work? An hospital? A restaurant? A bank? A store? A shop? A gym? A supermarket?
Had he stolen from another place would the puzzle still work? Was the book intact? Was there any note (e.g. written with the pen...) on the phone book? Had it been used by someone? Did he want the book in order to prevent someone else to have it?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby gregoryuconn » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:29 am

Is there a photo of him on the cover of the Kansas City phone book? Of a family member? Did he do any relevant legal things that nonetheless would have gotten him in trouble if he hadn't stolen the phone book (like adultery)? Did the photo show him with his mistress?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:58 pm

Will the man retain the book for more than a few minutes? A few hours? A day? A few days? Longer than this?
Has the man been told by someone else to get this book? Or does he come to the realization or desire without anyone suggesting this?
Could the man have simply looked at the book's cover and memorized relevant information? Or was there some certain purpose that actually having the book would serve?
Will the man take the book back to where he got it from? Will he give it to someone else? Will he use information taken from the book to his advantage somehow?
Does he want the book because it has a specific picture or photograph on it? Some relevant number(s)? A relevant name(s) of a person or place? A relevant date?
Is he going to use the book as proof that he's been to Kansas City?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Enjay » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:29 pm

Does he go to Kansas City to get the book?

Does any relevant person to this puzzle livein Kansas City?

Is some sort of code or puzzle involved? Eg a message made up of references to particular words on particular pages of the book?

Is there anything relevant about Kansas City itself that we should explore?

If the entire phone book had been available online, would just looking it up have served his purpose? If for some reason the Kansas City phone book had been available in his city, could he have got it from there?

Is it relevant that there is more than one Kansas City?

Is Burton going to look up any phone numbers at any relevant point?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Balin » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:41 pm

You mentioned that there is a relevant thing on the cover of the phone book, correct? That's right Is there anything relevant within the pages of the phone book? Just the phone numbers of residents and businesses in Kansas City Could he achieve his purpose by ripping off the cover of the phone book and taking it with him? Possibly, but less likely If the online version of the phone book contained a picture of the cover as well, looking exactly like the print version, would it have been useful to him? Same as previous - possible but less likely

The relevant thing: a photograph? a logo? text? This

Did he actually take any up to date KC phone book? Yes (although there is a reason he went to the place he went) Was there a KC phone book on sale somewhere in the world or on the net? Probably If so, could he have bought it? Sure Or does the puzzle work only if he steals the book? There's flexibility, but there is a reason he went to the certain location to steal the book Had the book been stolen for its content? It was stolen because it was a Kansas City phone book For something in its pages? See previous

Did he steal the KC phone book from a relevant place of work? Yes An hospital? A restaurant? A bank? A store? A shop? A gym? A supermarket? None of these
Had he stolen from another place would the puzzle still work? Probably Was the book intact? Yes Was there any note (e.g. written with the pen...) on the phone book? Irrel Had it been used by someone? Almost certainly (which should help narrow down the book's original location) Did he want the book in order to prevent someone else to have it? No

Will the man retain the book for more than a few minutes? A few hours? A day? A few days? This Longer than this?
Has the man been told by someone else to get this book? Not directly, but a few (assume 5) other people know he is getting the book Or does he come to the realization or desire without anyone suggesting this? No
Could the man have simply looked at the book's cover and memorized relevant information? No Or was there some certain purpose that actually having the book would serve? Yes
Will the man take the book back to where he got it from? Probably not Will he give it to someone else? Yes/Yope! Will he use information taken from the book to his advantage somehow? No
Does he want the book because it has a specific picture or photograph on it? Some relevant number(s)? A relevant name(s) of a person or place? This, place A relevant date?
Is he going to use the book as proof that he's been to Kansas City? No

Does he go to Kansas City to get the book? Yes

Does any relevant person to this puzzle live in Kansas City? No

Is some sort of code or puzzle involved? No Eg a message made up of references to particular words on particular pages of the book? No

Is there anything relevant about Kansas City itself that we should explore? Only that Burton does not live there

If the entire phone book had been available online, would just looking it up have served his purpose? No If for some reason the Kansas City phone book had been available in his city, could he have got it from there? Yes

Is it relevant that there is more than one Kansas City? No

Is Burton going to look up any phone numbers at any relevant point? No
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby gregoryuconn » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:59 pm

You skipped my questions.
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Balin » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:29 am

You skipped my questions. Sorry - I've got them now

Is there a photo of him on the cover of the Kansas City phone book? No Of a family member? No Did he do any relevant legal things that nonetheless would have gotten him in trouble if he hadn't stolen the phone book (like adultery)? No Did the photo show him with his mistress? No (there's no relevant photo)
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Earnest » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:00 am

Lack of security relevant? Is something like he declared he would have stolen the KC phone book before? So that the place where he stole it concentrate its security devices on it?

WAG is ethical hacking relevant? E.g. he stole the odf of KC phonebook from a host PC
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:07 pm

Is the man doing something illegal? Planning this? Has already done this?
Is this part of a money-making venture for him? For others?
Will he show the phonebook to anyone? His wife? His friend? A stranger?
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Postby Balin » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:59 pm

Lack of security relevant? No Is something like he declared he would have stolen the KC phone book before? No So that the place where he stole it concentrate its security devices on it? No

WAG is ethical hacking relevant? No E.g. he stole the odf of KC phonebook from a host PC No

Is the man doing something illegal? I don't think what he's doing is illegal (other than stealing the phone book), but this is a good question Planning this? Yes, this is part of his preparations for something Has already done this? No
Is this part of a money-making venture for him? No For others? No
Will he show the phonebook to anyone? Indirectly His wife? His friend? This A stranger?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:08 pm

So the man will not benefit financially from this plan? Will he benefit at all? Help someone else receive a benefit?
He will indirectly show the phonebook to a friend? To help that friend?
Is he collecting information for the friend?
Has the friend done something illegal? Immoral?
Is the man's job or occupation relevant? Any hobby?
Has the friend ever been to KC? Does he plan to go there soon? Is he there now?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Balin » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:42 pm

So the man will not benefit financially from this plan? No Will he benefit at all? No Help someone else receive a benefit? Definitely not
He will indirectly show the phonebook to a friend? YesTo help that friend? No
Is he collecting information for the friend? No
Has the friend done something illegal? No Immoral? No
Is the man's job or occupation relevant? No Any hobby? No
Has the friend ever been to KC? No Does he plan to go there soon? No Is he there now? No
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Enjay » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:49 pm

Is the relevant thing on the cover:
On the front cover? Back cover? Spine?
Text? An image? A shape? Something printed? An error? A barcode? A price? Something about the physical book? Would this thing appear on all copies of that phone book?

Is the size or weight of the book relevant?

Is he going to take a picture of the phonebook? Show part of it to a friend? Show the friend some kind of representation of the phonebook? Show it to someone else, who will then show it to the friend?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Balin » Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:52 pm

Is the relevant thing on the cover:
On the front cover? Yes Back cover? Probably also here Spine? Definitely also here
Text? This An image? A shape?
Something printed? Yes
An error? A barcode? A price? No to these
Something about the physical book? If you mean like shape, texture, or that sort of thing, No
Would this thing appear on all copies of that phone book? Yes

Is the size or weight of the book relevant? No

Is he going to take a picture of the phonebook? Show part of it to a friend? Show the friend some kind of representation of the phonebook? Show it to someone else, who will then show it to the friend? No to these
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Enjay » Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:20 pm

If not illegal, could any aspect of what the man is doing be considered immoral? Unkind? Will what he is doing have a negative effect on the friend?

Is the relevant text identifying what the phone book is? That it is a phone book? The area it covers? The words Kansas City?

WAG: is cutting up letters to use like in a ransom note relevant?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Balin » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:46 pm

If not illegal, could any aspect of what the man is doing be considered immoral? Possibly Unkind? Definitely =D Will what he is doing have a negative effect on the friend? For a short time

Is the relevant text identifying what the phone book is? That it is a phone book? The area it covers? The words Kansas City? This

WAG: is cutting up letters to use like in a ransom note relevant? No
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby gregoryuconn » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:33 am

So it's the friend's phone book? Does he plan on returning the phone book to the friend eventually? If so, does he plan to modify it in any way first? Cross out any letters? Modify any letters? Is he planning on somehow removing or obscuring the word "City" so the friend thinks it's the phone book for all of Kansas? Does he plan to write a mean note? Maybe add an extra S after Kansas? And maybe change the a to an e and add an apostrophe so it says Ken's Ass City? And the friend's name is Ken so he'd be insulted?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Enjay » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:12 am

Is the unkindness directed towards the friend? The place/person he stole the book from? Someone else? Is he playing a prank?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:54 am

Is "Kansas city" relevantly written in vertical on the spine? Did he mean to cut the cover? To modify it somehow? Did the friend want to move to Kansas city?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:12 pm

So it's the friend's phone book? No Does he plan on returning the phone book to the friend eventually? No If so, does he plan to modify it in any way first? No Cross out any letters? No Modify any letters? No Is he planning on somehow removing or obscuring the word "City" so the friend thinks it's the phone book for all of Kansas? No Does he plan to write a mean note? No Maybe add an extra S after Kansas? And maybe change the a to an e and add an apostrophe so it says Ken's Ass City? And the friend's name is Ken so he'd be insulted? No, but this could be pretty funny

Is the unkindness directed towards the friend? Yes The place/person he stole the book from? No Someone else? No Is he playing a prank? YES with a capital everything

Is "Kansas city" relevantly written in vertical on the spine? The city name on the front cover is more relevant, but Yes Did he mean to cut the cover? No To modify it somehow? No Did the friend want to move to Kansas city? No
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:19 pm

Did the book come from a hotel? Library? Restaurant? Someone's house? Relevant?
Did the name of the place that the book came from also appear on the cover (like if it came from a hotel, the hotel's name was shown)?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:27 pm

Did the book come from a hotel? Yes Library? Restaurant? Someone's house? Relevant? Oh yes
Did the name of the place that the book came from also appear on the cover (like if it came from a hotel, the hotel's name was shown)? No, but the puzzle still works with a Yes
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Enjay » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:45 pm

Had the friend been to the hotel? Were they planning to go? Did the friend have a connection to the hotel?

Was it the only copy the hotel had? Relevant? Did he steal the book to prevent the friend from being able to look something up?

Could someone looking at the book have known that it came from a hotel? From that specific hotel? Not sure if we have established - once Burton has the book, does he take it back to where he lives? To where the friend lives? Should we find out more about the hotel? Its name?

Does the prank involve convincing the friend that something is true when it isn't? Convincing the friend he is in Kansas City? Embarrassing the friend?
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go

Postby Balin » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:57 pm

Does the prank involve... Convincing the friend he is in Kansas City? Got it.

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Groom was getting married at 1:30 PM the day after his bachelor party. As expected. the groomsmen took him out for some heavy drinking. He woke up the next morning in a hotel room to a 10:00 AM wake up call, with a sincere wish that he enjoyed his stay at the Kansas City Holiday Inn (faked by a friend). The best man had prepared ahead of time by picking up phone books, stationery, those "local events and attractions" flyers and magazines, notepads and other items from a hotel in Kansas City and substituted those materials for the ones for the Chicago hotel that they dumped him at. Of course he checked the desk, found the Kansas City phone book, and panic ensued.
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go (*UP TO DATE*)

Postby peter365 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 7:55 am

Excellent
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Re: [Balin] About as far as he can go (*UP TO DATE*)

Postby wolfier » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:22 pm

nice friends he's got.
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