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[CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:58 pm
by CoffeeBean
A man warned people about something that posed a threat to primarily children and teens. Many ignored the warning, and at least one person discovered a way to bring the threat to a sudden and abrupt end. What was it?

This is an actual event that occurred in the U.S. in 1982

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:29 pm
by GalFisk
Something: a fad? A trend? A disease? A heightened risk? A person? A law? Policy? Food? Drink? Drug? Toy? Game? Behaviour? Mental issue? A machine? Something that could: kill? Injure? Sicken? Hurt? Scare? Cause financial loss? Cause troble with the law? Harm development? Harm future prospects? Education relevant? Parents? Moral panic?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:33 pm
by CoffeeBean
Something: a fad? A trend? A disease? None of these A heightened risk? Yes, this was implied
A person? A law? Policy? Food? Drink? Drug? None of these
Toy? Game? Yes, it was considered both Behaviour? No Mental issue? Yes, in fact this was specifically mentioned in the warning A machine? No
Something that could: kill? Injure? Sicken? Hurt? None of these Scare? Possibly implied, yes
Cause financial loss? Cause trouble with the law? Harm development? Harm future prospects? Education relevant? Parents? Moral panic? No to these

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:44 pm
by GalFisk
Toy/game: video game? Arcade game? Board game? Children's game? Something played alone? In pairs? Groups? Teams? Bullying relevant? A specific mental issue?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:30 pm
by invisiblemimsy
Hallowe'en, fireworks, November 5th/Guy Fawkes/Penny for the Guy?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:02 pm
by CoffeeBean
Toy/game: video game? Yes Arcade game? No Board game? No
Children's game? Not strictly this Something played alone? In pairs? Probably both options
Groups? Teams? Maybe, but not very easy to do Bullying relevant? No
A specific mental issue? One specific term for a mental issue was used in the warning

Hallowe'en, fireworks, November 5th/Guy Fawkes/Penny for the Guy? None of these are relevant

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:34 pm
by invisiblemimsy
Was the scaring actually caused, if so on [number of occasions]?
Was there a problem with political correctness? Outmoded definitions? E.g. using a term which was offensive like 'turn you crazy', 'spaz you out' or suchlike?
Was there any impersonation involved, or acting? False or exaggerated claims? Someone claiming they were hurt/affected when they weren't? Was anyone actually hurt, or affected adversely?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:08 pm
by CoffeeBean
Was the scaring actually caused, if so on [number of occasions]? Fairly sure it wasn't, no
Was there a problem with political correctness? No Outmoded definitions? No, but...E.g. using a term which was offensive like 'turn you crazy', 'spaz you out' or suchlike? ...YES, something very similar to this was mentioned
Was there any impersonation involved, or acting? No
False No... or exaggerated claims? ...this, very much so.
Someone claiming they were hurt/affected when they weren't? No but somewhat OTRT
Was anyone actually hurt, or affected adversely? Unknown, but I seriously doubt it...

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:57 pm
by GalFisk
Shooting game? Adventure? Platform? Racing? Puzzle? Horror? Suspense? Mystery? Action? Arcade? Sim? Scifi? Card game? Relevant what hardware it was run on? What media it was distributed on? Where it was sold? Who bought it? Who played it?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:28 pm
by CoffeeBean
Shooting game? This Adventure? Platform? Racing? Puzzle? Horror? Suspense? Mystery? Action? And this Arcade? Sim? Scifi? Card game? No to the rest
Relevant what hardware it was run on? What media it was distributed on? May be helpful in recalling the event, yes
Where it was sold? Who bought it? Who played it? These aren't as relevant and difficult to specifically recall

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:02 pm
by GalFisk
Was it played at home? In arcades? Was it in 3D? Did it have wireframe graphics? Was it played with a light gun? Was there a worry that actions in the game would be imitated in real life? That the game trained kids to be killers? That the screen hurt their eyes?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:50 pm
by CoffeeBean
Was it played at home? Yes In arcades? No Was it in 3D? Did it have wireframe graphics? Was it played with a light gun? No to all but also not relevant
Was there a worry that actions in the game would be imitated in real life? No
That the game trained kids to be killers? No That the screen hurt their eyes? No

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:37 pm
by GalFisk
Did it have relevant sound? Did it threaten players? Onlookers? Other computer users? Relevant what device it was played on? What screen it was showed on?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:42 pm
by CoffeeBean
Did it have relevant sound? Relevant what device it was played on? What screen it was showed on? No to all.

Did it threaten players? Onlookers? Other computer users? The statements that were made implied that players would be the most affected. Other users and onlookers could possibly be assumed as included but were not mentioned specifically.

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:29 am
by GalFisk
Would the scary thing be seen on the screen? Epilpsy relevant?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:22 pm
by CoffeeBean
Would the scary thing be seen on the screen? Yes, but partial FA
Epilepsy relevant? No

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:30 pm
by trebor
Does the threat involve the player being injured? Carpal tunnel or something similar? Developing a dependency on the game?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:35 pm
by CoffeeBean
Does the threat involve the player being injured? Carpal tunnel or something similar? No to these...
Developing a dependency on the game? YES

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:01 pm
by CoffeeBean
So the warning was about the threat of someone becoming dependent on the game. How did someone discover a way to bring a sudden end to this threat?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:22 pm
by trebor
Was the man Reagan? (I’m not certain he spoke out against video games, but it seems like something the Reagans would’ve done.)

Was there a worry that the dependency would lead increased shootings in real life? Relevant?

Was something done to the game so that you could play it for only so long? They made it easier to beat? They made it more frustrating? They made it time out or reset after a certain amount of time or number of kills?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:50 pm
by invisiblemimsy
So, the event which happened in 1982 was the thing that stopped anyone becoming dependent on the game?
Was it some kind of convention? Was it caused by one person? Was it an aversion thing? The longer you play the game, the more, or less, something happens? Money involved? Limited life of the game? Did it involve the creator? Was the game changed in some way? Some kind of fatal error eg BSOD?
Would it help to find out what kind of game it was?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:51 pm
by invisiblemimsy
Was an actual lie involved? E.g. tell people something which makes them disinclined to play the game, or makes them lose interest?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:50 pm
by CoffeeBean
Was the man Reagan? (I’m not certain he spoke out against video games, but it seems like something the Reagans would’ve done.) No (wasn't this type of person)

Was there a worry that the dependency would lead increased shootings in real life? Relevant? No, not this kind of worry

Was something done to the game so that you could play it for only so long? Yes, but...
They made it easier to beat? No They made it more frustrating? No
They made it time out or reset after a certain amount of time or number of kills? YES, but...(good q)

So, the event which happened in 1982 was the thing that stopped anyone becoming dependent on the game? No (possible FA here). The thing that showed how the dependence could be ended did not occur until later.
Was it some kind of convention? No Was it caused by one person? No Was it an aversion thing? Can you rephrase this?
The longer you play the game, the more, or less, something happens? This was part of the warning, yes
Money involved? No Limited life of the game? No Did it involve the creator? Yes
Was the game changed in some way? No Some kind of fatal error eg BSOD? No
Would it help to find out what kind of game it was? Two relevant things have been discovered about the game:

1. The game involved shooting
2. The game timed out after a certain number of kills


Was an actual lie involved? GOOD Q - The warning itself was, to some degree, a lie (although nobody really would have thought otherwise). The puzzle's title is a clue about the person who gave the warning, it is related to something else that he did.
E.g. tell people something which makes them disinclined to play the game, or makes them lose interest? No, quite the opposite!

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:19 pm
by GalFisk
Did the warning make the people play the game more? Was it an arcade game? If so, is the cost of playing it relevant? Was it played by aiming a physical gun or gun-like object? Relevant?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:37 pm
by CoffeeBean
Did the warning make the people play the game more? Yes, in a way it did. A little more exploring on this and we'll be done...
Was it an arcade game? No If so, is the cost of playing it relevant? No
Was it played by aiming a physical gun or gun-like object? No Relevant? The main aspect of the game involved shooting, but the player did not use a gun or similar object. This aspect of the game is specifically mentioned in the warning.

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:35 pm
by GalFisk
Did it make more people play? Did it make people play more? Did it make people shoot less, so that they could keep playing longer?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:12 pm
by CoffeeBean
Did it make more people play? Did it make people play more? Both of these results were the goal of the "warning"
Did it make people shoot less, so that they could keep playing longer? No, slight FA here

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 3:18 pm
by CoffeeBean
HINT: Sometimes a "warning" isn't really a warning...

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:58 pm
by GalFisk
Was the warning an advertisement? An encouragement?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:08 pm
by CoffeeBean
Was the warning an advertisement? YES An encouragement? Of a sort, yes

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:16 pm
by KayleeArafinwiel
oh hi CoffeeBean!

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please may I have a Recap? I am lost!

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:36 pm
by Balin
Was the "warning" intended to encourage buyers to play the game? Straightforwardly warning that it was extremely offensive/outrageous/pick your adjective, but actually getting potential players curious about what made the game so offensive/outrageous/pick your adjective?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:04 pm
by CoffeeBean
Was the "warning" intended to encourage buyers to play the game? Yes (of course)
Straightforwardly warning that it was extremely offensive/outrageous/pick your adjective, but actually getting potential players curious about what made the game so offensive/outrageous/pick your adjective? The "warning" included two specific statements that would have caused curiousity - one was about the mental issue, the other was a caution about one aspect of the game which, as mentioned in the puzzle statement, was revealed as having been brought to an abrupt end.

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:13 pm
by CoffeeBean
RECAP:

A "warning" was issued in 1982 about a video game that was sold for home systems. The warning was part of an advertisement and was meant to encourage people to buy and play the game. One part of the warning was that the game would do something very similar to "drive you crazy", and there was one other specific thing that buyers were warned about. There was a vague threat that players would become dependent on playing the game. The game was a shooting game designed to time out after a certain number of kills. The warning was, basically, a "lie" because there was never an actual threat to anyone. But the title of the puzzle is a clue about the man who gave the warning.

The only thing left to determine is the part of the warning that was proved to be completely false and how this was proven.

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:07 pm
by Hobbsicle
Was the warning related to its addictiveness? Something to the effect that you could keep playing endlessly? And people proved it wrong by finding the “kill screen”?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:38 pm
by GalFisk
Is a software bug relevant?

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:10 pm
by CoffeeBean
Was the warning related to its addictiveness? Something to the effect that you could keep playing endlessly? And people proved it wrong by finding the “kill screen”? YES, all correct!
Is a software bug relevant? No

Re: [CoffeeBean] Why Would He Lie?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:19 pm
by CoffeeBean
*** SPOILER ***

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX-uu-kredU

In the commercial for the game Megamania, viewers are warned that they "may regret" getting the game and that it will "drive you insane". The end of the ad features another caution that the game never stops. This was proven to be wrong when someone played until they reached a certain score and the game came to a sudden end (video of this posted on YouTube).

The band featured in the commercial is The Tubes, who had a hit song 'She's A Beauty'. This song featured the repeated lyric "Why would I lie?" which inspired the puzzle's title and was a backdoor clue.