[WiZ] The Budweiser Business Model

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[WiZ] The Budweiser Business Model

Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:45 am

Why was a man in the bathroom pouring water from the tap into his beer?

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Re: [WiZ] The Budweiser Business Model

Postby wolfier » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:33 am

Let's get the obvious out of the way....is he drunk?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:45 am

Let's get the obvious out of the way....is he drunk? no
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Re: [WiZ] The Budweiser Business Model

Postby wolfier » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:52 am

Ok, I'll go overboard and ask a lot of questions this time...

Does the man intend to drink the mixture? serve it to others? Is the mixture even for drinking? beer:water ratio relevant? after mixing, would the result be more recognisable as beer or water in daylight? When it's darker? Would the puzzle still work if beer is substituted with Coca-Cola? Apple juice? Relevant the drink is alcoholic? Relevant whether he uses hot or cold water? Kind of beer relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:58 am

Does the man intend to drink the mixture? yes serve it to others? no Is the mixture even for drinking? yes beer:water ratio relevant? only broadly after mixing, would the result be more recognisable as beer or water in daylight? assume it would have the appearance of beer When it's darker? as above Would the puzzle still work if beer is substituted with Coca-Cola? Apple juice? these would both be highly unlikely Relevant the drink is alcoholic? yes Relevant whether he uses hot or cold water? not hugely, but he would use one in preference to the other Kind of beer relevant? no
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Postby trebor » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:08 am

If it’s a Bud, is it to make it taste better? :D

Is the style of beer relevant? Is the season relevant? Is he going to drink the beer immediately after doing this? Later that day?

Is the receptacle for his beer relevant? Is he doing this for a reason associated with the temperature of the drink? Is it relevant why he was doing this in the bathroom instead of in the kitchen? Is his location in a broader sense relevant?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:45 am

Into his beer = into his glass of beer? Into his bottle of beer? Was the beer going to finish? Has he already drunk more than an half of the beer? Less? Not already drunk before putting the water inside? Could it also have worked with water from another tap? From a bottle?
Is it for advertisement? Did he exploit water pressure?
Did he drink the beer immediately after having filled it with tap water? Did he do that in order to change/better the taste of the beer?

Is he going to drive? Did he want to low down the alcohol content?
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Re: [WiZ] The Budweiser Business Model

Postby Doriana » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:31 pm

Does he do this at home? at a bar?

Is he trying to scam someone? E.g. by complaining that his beer tastes watered down and demanding to get a new one?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:32 pm

Trebor

If it’s a Bud, is it to make it taste better? :D Something something making love in a kayak

Is the style of beer relevant? no Is the season relevant? no Is he going to drink the beer immediately after doing this? yes Later that day? no

Is the receptacle for his beer relevant? more for context than the lateral logic Is he doing this for a reason associated with the temperature of the drink? no Is it relevant why he was doing this in the bathroom instead of in the kitchen? yes Is his location in a broader sense relevant? yes

Earnest

Into his beer = into his glass of beer? yes Into his bottle of beer? no Was the beer going to finish? He intended to drink it, if that's what you're asking Has he already drunk more than an half of the beer? Less? He would have drunk about half of it at this stage Not already drunk before putting the water inside? no Could it also have worked with water from another tap? From a bottle? yes - but he'd have been less likely to have access to these
Is it for advertisement? no Did he exploit water pressure? no
Did he drink the beer immediately after having filled it with tap water? yes Did he do that in order to change/better the taste of the beer? no

Is he going to drive? no Did he want to low down the alcohol content? yes

Doriana

Does he do this at home? no at a bar? yes

Is he trying to scam someone? yope E.g. by complaining that his beer tastes watered down and demanding to get a new one? but not like this

Good questions.
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Re: [WiZ] The Budweiser Business Model

Postby Doriana » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:46 pm

Is a bet or dare involved? E.g. "I bet you can't down a whole beer in one"?
Drinking games relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:56 pm

Is a bet or dare involved? E.g. "I bet you can't down a whole beer in one"? no
Drinking games relevant? no
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Postby Doriana » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:08 pm

Drug tests relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:27 pm

Drug tests relevant? no
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Postby trebor » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:22 am

Is he not a big drinker? And perhaps he wants to fool his mates into thinking he’s drinking more than he actually is?
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Postby WiZ » Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:36 am

Is he not a big drinker? in general? irrelevant And perhaps he wants to fool his mates into thinking he’s drinking more than he actually is? Yesish, with a side of FA.
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Postby Earnest » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:39 am

Are we talking about draft beer? Relevant? Did he think to fill the glass with beer? Is the tap the one usually devoted to draft beer? Did he put a lot of watsr ibside the beer? Just a little bit?
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Postby Doriana » Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:34 am

Is he at the bar with friends? with a date? with his partner? with family? with co-workers?
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Postby WiZ » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:38 pm

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Are we talking about draft beer? Yes, assume it's 'on tap' Relevant? no Did he think to fill the glass with beer? no, he knew the tap would dispense water Is the tap the one usually devoted to draft beer? not the bathroom tap, no Did he put a lot of watsr ibside the beer? Just a little bit? assume half the glass

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Is he at the bar with friends? with a date? with his partner? with family? with co-workers? no to all :)
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Postby LemonCurry » Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:31 am

Is he the bartender? Does he want to drink with his patrons without getting too much?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:18 am

Was him a plumber? Did he work for the pub? Is his work relevant? Did he want to reduce carbon dioxide content? Is alchol testing relevant?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:02 pm

LemonCurry

Is he the bartender? no Does he want to drink with his patrons without getting too much? Although this is more or less correct

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Was him a plumber? Did he work for the pub? no to both Is his work relevant? yes Did he want to reduce carbon dioxide content? Is alchol testing relevant? no to both
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Postby trebor » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:09 am

Is he a police officer trying to catch impaired drivers? Is he a cab driver? Or, given that he doesn’t work for the pub, does he own it?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:19 am

Does his job involve driving? If so trucks? Did he take the decision to reduce alchol soon after a certain event (he saw something/someone?)? Was he used to low alchol when he works? Was he used to get beer with friends/collegues in the pub when working? To be sure...was he working at that moment? Did someone else do the same thing he did (filling beer with water)? Did he need to clean up the glass afterward? Did he intend to finish his beer?

Does the reduction of alcohol have some other advantages than the simple "not getting caught drunk/with an high alcholic content while working"? To be sure...was he beginning his turn? Was he ending? Relevant? Was there a match on TV? Were his patrons drunk? Did he want to let them think he was drinking a lot? Relevant the type of beer? Kind of he took a red beer and then fill it with water making the color change so that others thought he had taken a second beer?

Does his work involve law? Alchol? Driving? Beer?
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Re: [WiZ] The Budweiser Business Model

Postby GalFisk » Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:47 am

Did he want to change the beer in ways besides making it weaker? Did he want to make it appear like he hadn't drunk any of it? Does he want to trick someone into drinking more than him?
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Re: [WiZ] The Budweiser Business Model

Postby WiZ » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:16 pm

Trebor

Is he a police officer yes, of a sort trying to catch impaired drivers? no Is he a cab driver? no Or, given that he doesn’t work for the pub, does he own it? no

Earnest

Does his job involve driving? no If so trucks? n/a Did he take the decision to reduce alchol soon after a certain event (he saw something/someone?)? no Was he used to low alchol when he works? not relevantly Was he used to get beer with friends/collegues in the pub when working? not while working, as a rule To be sure...was he working at that moment? yes Did someone else do the same thing he did (filling beer with water)? no Did he need to clean up the glass afterward? no Did he intend to finish his beer? yes (such as it was after he watered it down)

Does the reduction of alcohol have some other advantages than the simple "not getting caught drunk/with an high alcholic content while working"? yope - he's not really worried about 'getting caught drunk', but he doesn't want to be intoxicated on the job To be sure...was he beginning his turn? Was he ending? Assuming you're talking about whether it was the beginning or ending of his shift/working day, it was probably towards the middle :) Relevant? for context Was there a match on TV? irrelevant Were his patrons drunk? yes, or heading that way at least Did he want to let them think he was drinking a lot? yes Relevant the type of beer? no Kind of he took a red beer and then fill it with water making the color change so that others thought he had taken a second beer? lateral, but no

Does his work involve law? yes Alchol? Driving? Beer? sometimes (to all), depending on the circumstances

GalFisk

Did he want to change the beer in ways besides making it weaker? no Did he want to make it appear like he hadn't drunk any of it? no Does he want to trick someone into drinking more than him? This is, in effect, what is happening - but his goal isn't to deceive other people into drinking more themselves
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Re: [WiZ] The Budweiser Business Model

Postby Balin » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:58 pm

Is he trying to prove a point? Set a trap? Is he undercover?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:23 pm

Is he trying to prove a point? Set a trap? no to both Is he undercover? yes
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Re: [WiZ] The Budweiser Business Model

Postby wolfier » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:45 am

Adding to Balin's guess: Is he planning to pretend to be drunk, so people who he talks to will spill some information he wants?
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Re: [WiZ] The Budweiser Business Model

Postby WiZ » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:08 am

Adding to Balin's guess: Is he planning to pretend to be drunk, so people who he talks to will spill some information he wants?

It's strange - the answer to both clauses is 'yes', but the two aren't as related as the question suggests.

I think we have enough information, really - the questions are starting to drill into more detail than I had planned for the solution.

***** SPOILER *****

The man is an undercover police officer, looking to gain evidence and information from a biker gang. He poses as a biker and hangs out with the gang at a bar. He is shouted several rounds of drinks. He does not want to get drunk on the job and blow his cover, but he cannot reliably arrange with an accomplice to weaken or substitute his beer. The most subtle way he can achieve this is to water it down in the bathroom!


Congratulations to Balin and Wolfier, and thank you everyone for playing!
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Re: [WiZ] The Budweiser Business Model [H₂OWNED]

Postby Balin » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:44 pm

The show "Burn Notice" talked about this once, with the main character giving tips on "drinking without getting drunk" when undercover, such as ordering cocktails with lots of ice and only drinking half before getting a refill. I suppose that would be much harder when others are buying and you're getting beer.

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