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[WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby WiZ » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:08 pm

Two young men, unknown to each other, are sitting in a crowded room full of strangers. They are both wearing an identical, distinctive t-shirt. Both of them notice that the other is wearing the shirt. Although the two are keen to strike up a conversation with someone, they deliberately avoid talking to each other. Why, given that they have the perfect opener?

BOATS. Caveat Earlispoilor.
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby Doriana » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:19 pm

strangers = H/A/M? F? mixed?

Does the t-shirt reference a band? movie? tv show? something pop-culture related? sports? politics?
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby WiZ » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:54 pm

strangers = H/A/ yes to both M? F? mixed? this

Edited because I'm a big silly who misinterpreted your question

Does the t-shirt reference a band? movie? tv show? something pop-culture related? sports? politics? no to all
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby Balin » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:19 am

Are they the only two wearing the shirt?
Are they supposed to be speaking to people? Does the shirt mark them as people to speak to?
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby GalFisk » Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:47 pm

Does the t-shirt have relevant: text? Pattern? Photo? Drawing/painting? Relevant what they're wearing apart form the t-shirts? Relevant wht sort of room thet are sitting in? Why they are sitting there? Do they both avoid this for the same reason? Do they avoid it because of each other? Because of the strangers? Are they afraid of getting in trouble? Are they likely to leave the room at the same time? If so, would they be more able to strike up a conversation once they left? Do they relevantly strike up any conversations with others in the room? Are all people in the room strangers to each other?
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:56 pm

Balin

Are they the only two wearing the shirt? yes
Are they supposed to be speaking to people? They aren't obligated, but they would like to, and it would be expected Does the shirt mark them as people to speak to? no

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Does the t-shirt have relevant: text? yes Pattern? Photo? Drawing/painting? no/irrel to rest Relevant what they're wearing apart form the t-shirts? no Relevant wht sort of room thet are sitting in? for context Why they are sitting there? less so Do they both avoid this for the same reason? yes Do they avoid it because of each other? yes Because of the strangers? no Are they afraid of getting in trouble? noish Are they likely to leave the room at the same time? no If so, would they be more able to strike up a conversation once they left? Their ability to talk to the strangers around them would be unchanged Do they relevantly strike up any conversations with others in the room? no (although they probably do) Are all people in the room strangers to each other? yes, more or less
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby Enjay » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:22 pm

Are all the people in the room for the same reason? Might someone other than the two men avoid talking to one or both of them because of the T shirt?

Do they avoid talking to each other because of a reason related to the t shirts? Because they think they won't get along? Because they think the other one might say something they don't want to hear? Because of a possible reaction from someone other than the two men?

Do the t shirts have slogans on? Text related to talking? Text that implies the person shouldn't be talked to?

If only one of the men had worn the shirt, would the other man have still avoided talking to him?

Is it a coincidence that both the men wore the shirt? Does the situation they are in somehow lend itself to wearing that shirt?
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby WiZ » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:45 pm

Are all the people in the room for the same reason? yes Might someone other than the two men avoid talking to one or both of them because of the T shirt? no

Do they avoid talking to each other because of a reason related to the t shirts? yes Because they think they won't get along? no (to interpret this generally) Because they think the other one might say something they don't want to hear? noish Because of a possible reaction from someone other than the two men? no

Do the t shirts have slogans on? no Text related to talking? no Text that implies the person shouldn't be talked to? no

If only one of the men had worn the shirt, would the other man have still avoided talking to him? no

Is it a coincidence that both the men wore the shirt? yes! Does the situation they are in somehow lend itself to wearing that shirt? no
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby Balin » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:11 pm

Are they both waiting for the same person? (Possible romantic partner?) And have agreed to wear that shirt to be identifiable?
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby WiZ » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:52 am

Are they both waiting for the same person? (Possible romantic partner?) no And have agreed to wear that shirt to be identifiable? no
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby Earnest » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:28 am

Were they in competition to each other? If so, because they were wearing the same t-shirt? Had they talked to each other, would they have been discovered? Is a joke going on? Were they allowed to move? Were they playing a role? Is cosplaying relevant?

Had the t-shirt relevant pictures on it? Can we assume it was of a unique color? Was it a trial? Were they near in sitting? Were they distant? Was there confusion in the room? Did the t-shirt identify them in a certain social category? Is the rest of clothing relevant?

they deliberately avoid talking to each other = they did not speak until the end of the event? They did not speak but did some facial expression? Were they surprised? Did they manifest thei thoughts somehow? Is "not talking to the other" an act of diregard? Disgust? Competition? In general a negative deed? Or more a necessity/impossibility/non-convenience given the circumstances? Could the t-shirt be considered not as a coincidence that that particular t shirt has been wore (is it correct?) by two man?

Is it relevant why people was assembled in the room? Party? Official event? Entertainment? ...maybe a little sad...was it a meeting of the mute people? Mute acting relevant? Libraries?
Random thought: fluo in a dark room relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby GalFisk » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:42 pm

Did any of them have any relevant reason for choosing this shirt on that day? Are they in a public area? Do they suspect the other person had a reason for choosing this particular shirt on this day?
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby WiZ » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:40 pm

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Were they in competition to each other? no If so, because they were wearing the same t-shirt? no Had they talked to each other, would they have been discovered? yes (but not because a rivalry was taking place) Is a joke going on? no Were they allowed to move? yes Were they playing a role? no (with the world's smallest ish) Is cosplaying relevant? no

Had the t-shirt relevant pictures on it? no Can we assume it was of a unique color? you can, although it isn't really relevant Was it a trial? no Were they near in sitting? somewhat Were they distant? no Was there confusion in the room? yope, explore Did the t-shirt identify them in a certain social category? yes! Is the rest of clothing relevant? no

they deliberately avoid talking to each other = they did not speak until the end of the event? Assuming you mean to each other, yes They did not speak but did some facial expression? not intentionally Were they surprised? yes Did they manifest thei thoughts somehow? no Is "not talking to the other" an act of diregard? Disgust? Competition? In general a negative deed? no to these Or more a necessity/impossibility/non-convenience no to these, although these are closer to the truth given the circumstances? Could the t-shirt be considered not as a coincidence that that particular t shirt has been wore (is it correct?) by two man? I'm not 100% sure I understand the question, but the two men are each wearing a copy of the shirt, and this is all a coincidence

Is it relevant why people was assembled in the room? not really, but there are some contextual clues Party? this would be possible without affecting the solution Official event? unlikely Entertainment? also possible ...maybe a little sad...was it a meeting of the mute people? no Mute acting relevant? no Libraries? no
Random thought: fluo in a dark room relevant? no

GalFisk

Did any of them have any relevant reason for choosing this shirt on that day? no Are they in a public area? yesish Do they suspect the other person had a reason for choosing this particular shirt on this day? not on this specific day, no
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby GalFisk » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:00 am

Did any of them have a relevant reason for owning this shirt in the first place? Did any of them think about the reason the other might have? Does it have one word? Is the text in support of something? Is it meant to describe the wearer?
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby WiZ » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:15 pm

Did any of them have a relevant reason for owning this shirt in the first place? yes, explore Did any of them think about the reason the other might have? also yes Does it have one word? no Is the text in support of something? no Is it meant to describe the wearer? yes

Great questions.
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby Balin » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:05 pm

"I'm With Stupid"?
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby Enjay » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:09 pm

Does the shirt also imply something about the person the wearer is talking to? Like "I'm with stupid"? Edit - oops cross posted with Balin!

Do both the men own the shirt for the same reason? Did they buy it? Get it from an event? Get it for a work-related reason? Did it at one time function as a kind of uniform?

Is each of the men avoiding the other for the same reason?

If the two men spoke to each other, would they risk embarrassment? The failure of some plan? Could they speak to each other, if they wanted to/had to?
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby WiZ » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:36 pm

Balin

"I'm With Stupid"? no

Enjay

Does the shirt also imply something about the person the wearer is talking to? no Like "I'm with stupid"? Edit - oops cross posted with Balin! How very interesting you both came to this conclusion. As a former demographer, I would posit that 'stupid' doesn't count as a social category.

Do both the men own the shirt for the same reason? yes Did they buy it? yes Get it from an event? no Get it for a work-related reason? no Did it at one time function as a kind of uniform? haha, yesish

Is each of the men avoiding the other for the same reason? yes

If the two men spoke to each other, would they risk embarrassment? yes The failure of some plan? no Could they speak to each other, if they wanted to/had to? no

Another great round of questions.
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby Enjay » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:14 pm

Could they not speak to each other for a physical reason? Was either or both of them unable to speak? Deaf? Did they speak the same language?

Would the embarrassment come from the fact both are wearing the shirt? Does the shirt somehow imply that the person wearing it is unique/original? Would the embarrassment come from belonging to the social category that the shirt implies? Not belonging to it? Do the two men belong to this category?

Did each assume the other owned the shirt for the same reason they did? Did both in fact own the shirt for the same reason?

Did the men both buy the shirt from the same place? At or around the same time? Are the men's relative sizes relevant?

Does the shirt relate to some kind of club or society? A hobby? A fandom? An interest?

Were the men being dishonest in some way? Did the shirt imply something about either or both of them that wasn't true, and they thought the other one would realise this?
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Re: [WiZ] Just Like President Thieu

Postby WiZ » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:31 pm

***** BLOOPER ALERT *****

The answer to the question 'Could they speak to each other, if they wanted to/had to?' should have been Yes.

Sorry, Enjay. I will answer all of your questions that still apply.

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Would the embarrassment come from the fact both are wearing the shirt? not per se, but it's a necessary step Does the shirt somehow imply that the person wearing it is unique/original? no Would the embarrassment come from belonging to the social category that the shirt implies? no! Not belonging to it? yes! Do the two men belong to this category? no!

Did each assume the other owned the shirt for the same reason they did? no! Did both in fact own the shirt for the same reason? yes!

Did the men both buy the shirt from the same place? not the same exact place, but... At or around the same time? no Are the men's relative sizes relevant? no

Does the shirt relate to some kind of club or society? yesish! A hobby? A fandom? An interest? no to rest

Were the men being dishonest in some way? no Did the shirt imply something about either or both of them that wasn't true, and they thought the other one would realise this? yes!

The lateral logic has been established, and the details are less important, so here comes the

***** SPOILER *****

The two young men were new students in the dining room of their dorm/hostel. Each was wearing a t-shirt they had bought (separately) from a thrift store. The t-shirt was one that an unrelated family had printed for a family reunion. Both of them assumed the other was actually a member of this family, and pretended not to notice the other to avoid the awkward confrontation as to why they were wearing the shirt!


Congratulations, Enjay, on the solution and some superb questioning, and thank you everyone for playing.
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