[JenBurdoo] Prince Albert in the can

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[JenBurdoo] Prince Albert in the can

Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:40 pm

Their religion set them free. How?

This is a military puzzle.
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:01 pm

Free from: imprisonment? Slavery? Laws? Constraints? Problems? Military service? Is war relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:06 pm

Free from: imprisonment? This. Slavery? Laws? Constraints? Problems? Problems related to their imprisonment, anyway. Military service? None of the others. Is war relevant? Yes.
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:53 am

Were they prisoners of war? Did they have the same religion as their captors? Were they imprisoned in their home country? Were they military?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:34 pm

Were they prisoners of war? Yes. Did they have the same religion as their captors? No. Were they imprisoned in their home country? No. Were they military? Yes.
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Postby GalFisk » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:51 pm

Free: to go home? To rejoin their military? To stay put, but voluntarily? Did their captors want them to be free? Is a clerical error relevant? Freemasons?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:40 am

Free: to go home? Yes. To rejoin their military? Yes. To stay put, but voluntarily? No. Did their captors want them to be free? No. Is a clerical error relevant? No. Freemasons? No.
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Postby GalFisk » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:45 am

Did they escape? Did their captors make a mistake? Worship relevant? Prayer? Fasting? Religiously significant day? Or event? Religious objects? Idols/icons? Were there prisoners of other religions? Was their religion Abrahamic? Relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:30 pm

Did they escape? No. Did their captors make a mistake? No. Worship relevant? Prayer? Fasting? Religiously significant day? Or event? Religious objects? Idols/icons? None of these. Were there prisoners of other religions? Yes. Was their religion Abrahamic? Primarily, but I believe there was a mix. Relevant? That it was specifically Abrahamic? No.
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Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:20 am

Can we assume modern times? Was the war a religious war?
Had they not been of that religion, were they died? Can I invoke the list of religions in order to understand theirs?
is their religion a conventional one? Or is it more like a faith? Are rituals relevant? Fasting ? Was it evident at a first glance what was their religion? Eating certain types of food? Not drinking alcholic beverages? Is it relevant the religion of their jailers? Were they voluntarily been set free by their jailers? If not, were they abandoned with other prisoners somewhere? Where they saved by someone of their own religion? Are religious symbols relevant? Did someone ask for their religion? Did someone have a necklace with a cross? A bible? Bible put near the heart relevant? A rosary? Tattoos (e.g. nazi that put a tattoo and a classification to people belonging to certain religions)? Is the fact of being together what saved them? (e.g. prisoners were sorted; they were put together; it was cold and they had the possibility to heat up one another) Did they go inside a church? Something like they were walled in a church but knew the place where the priests usually keep hosts and holy water so that they could resist?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:27 pm

Can we assume modern times? Yes. Was the war a religious war? No.
Had they not been of that religion, were they died? No. Can I invoke the list of religions in order to understand theirs? Mostly Muslim, with a little Sikh and possibly Hindu mixed in.
is their religion a conventional one? Yes. Or is it more like a faith? Are rituals relevant? No. Fasting ? No. Was it evident at a first glance what was their religion? To the layman, no - though it would be obvious what it wasn't. Eating certain types of food? This. Not drinking alcholic beverages? No. Is it relevant the religion of their jailers? Mildly, assume Catholic. Were they voluntarily been set free by their jailers? Yope. If not, were they abandoned with other prisoners somewhere? OTRT. Where they saved by someone of their own religion? No. Are religious symbols relevant? No. Did someone ask for their religion? Irr. Did someone have a necklace with a cross? A bible? Bible put near the heart relevant? A rosary? Tattoos (e.g. nazi that put a tattoo and a classification to people belonging to certain religions)? None of these relevant. Is the fact of being together what saved them? (e.g. prisoners were sorted; they were put together; it was cold and they had the possibility to heat up one another) Separation is mildly relevant, but not what saved them. Did they go inside a church? No. Something like they were walled in a church but knew the place where the priests usually keep hosts and holy water so that they could resist? No.
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:54 pm

Knowledge contained in the religion relevant? Such as how to survive in a certain arera? On certain food?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:00 pm

Knowledge contained in the religion relevant? Such as how to survive in a certain arera? On certain food? None of these.
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Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:15 pm

India relevant? The British Raj? Can we stretch the definition of "modern" to 19th century/early 20th? Or do you mean current time, 21st century? Is the war ongoing right now?

Prince Albert = Prince Consort to Queen Victoria? King George VI relevant? Or King Edward VII?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:11 pm

India relevant? Yes. The British Raj? Yes. Can we stretch the definition of "modern" to 19th century/early 20th? Yes. Or do you mean current time, 21st century? This occurred during WWII. Is the war ongoing right now? No.

Prince Albert = Prince Consort to Queen Victoria? King George VI relevant? Or King Edward VII? None of these. Good thought, though.
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Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:18 pm

JenBurdoo wrote:India relevant? Yes. The British Raj? Yes. Can we stretch the definition of "modern" to 19th century/early 20th? Yes. Or do you mean current time, 21st century? This occurred during WWII. Is the war ongoing right now? No.

Prince Albert = Prince Consort to Queen Victoria? King George VI relevant? Or King Edward VII? None of these. Good thought, though.

Thank you! I was trying to think of as many "Prince Alberts" as I could come up with, at least British ones! I'm not sure where to go next with questions, so may I have a recap, please?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:46 pm

Thank you! I was trying to think of as many "Prince Alberts" as I could come up with, at least British ones! I'm not sure where to go next with questions, so may I have a recap, please?

The Prince in question is Albert Victor.

Recap:

A unit of the Indian Army (mostly Muslim and Sikh) was taken prisoner during WWII. Due to their religion, their captors (who would have been mostly Catholic) released them voluntarily to return to India and rejoin the Indian Army. Their diet is relevant, but their personal appearance and religious icons and other elements are not. The diet's relevance has nothing to do with survival methods.
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Postby Doriana » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:53 pm

Not eating pork relevant? Vegetarianism relevant? Halal food relevant?
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Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:57 pm

Ah...and I'd discounted him because he wasn't alive by the time WWII rolled around, but I forgot to think laterally, not literally! Oops...

So the 11th Cavalry (Frontier Force), formerly Prince Albert Victor's Own Cavalry must be relevant then? Service in Syria? Iran? North Africa? Burma? Is the partition of India relevant?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:22 pm

Not eating pork relevant? Vegetarianism relevant? Halal food relevant? Yes to all.

So the 11th Cavalry (Frontier Force), formerly Prince Albert Victor's Own Cavalry must be relevant then? Yes. Service in Syria? Iran? North Africa? This. Burma? Is the partition of India relevant? No.
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Postby JenBurdoo » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:22 pm

Not eating pork relevant? Vegetarianism relevant? Halal food relevant? Yes to all.

So the 11th Cavalry (Frontier Force), formerly Prince Albert Victor's Own Cavalry must be relevant then? Yes. Service in Syria? Iran? North Africa? This. Burma? Is the partition of India relevant? No.
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Postby Earnest » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:25 am

Cooking relevant? Did they avoid something negative to happen? Is the first time that the two enemies meet each other? Were the catholics aware of the dietory regime of the indians? If so did they know it was part of their religion? Or did they believe that maybe it was a form of respect toward them (I read something about a practice consisting on eating the horses of the enemies...maybe Indians did not)?
Is it relevant what they avoid to eat more than what they eat? Did catholics eat instead of them? Are military practices relevant? Kind of "it was forbidden to leave them die for hunger"? Posioned foods relevant?

released them voluntarily to return to India and rejoin the Indian Army = do captors need help? Knowledge of the territory relevant? Not eating cows relevant? They released them = they leave them free to go without following them? Relevant the kind of food given by the captors to the prisoners? (If they provide)
Did they give them pigs so that they could follow excrements, knowing that they would not have been eaten, and possibly find the enemies?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:17 pm

Cooking relevant? No. Did they avoid something negative to happen? Yes. Is the first time that the two enemies meet each other? No. Were the catholics aware of the dietory regime of the indians? Yes. If so did they know it was part of their religion? Yes. Or did they believe that maybe it was a form of respect toward them (I read something about a practice consisting on eating the horses of the enemies...maybe Indians did not)? No.
Is it relevant what they avoid to eat more than what they eat? Yes. Did catholics eat instead of them? No. Are military practices relevant? Mildly. Kind of "it was forbidden to leave them die for hunger"? Mildly. Posioned foods relevant? No.

released them voluntarily to return to India and rejoin the Indian Army = do captors need help? No. Knowledge of the territory relevant? No. Not eating cows relevant? For any Hindus present, yes. They released them = they leave them free to go without following them? Yes. Relevant the kind of food given by the captors to the prisoners? (If they provide) Yes.
Did they give them pigs so that they could follow excrements, knowing that they would not have been eaten, and possibly find the enemies? No.
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Postby GalFisk » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:34 pm

Were they unable to give the prisoners suitable food, so thet had to set them free?
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Postby JenBurdoo » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:01 pm

Were they unable to give the prisoners suitable food, so thet had to set them free? Correct.


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The 11th Indian Cavalry, Prince Albert Victor's Own or PAVO, was captured entire by the Italians during WWII in North Africa. Although its British officers were separated and sent to the rear, the Indian warrant officers left in command talked their captors into releasing the regiment because their religious dietary requirements could not be met in an Italian prison camp. They marched back to British lines in exchange for giving their parole not to fight in the North African theater again, and later served in Burma.
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