[Doriana] Do you recall?

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[Doriana] Do you recall?

Postby Doriana » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:59 am

Finn (H/T/F) is excited. Some hours later, he is devastated. Some weeks later, he is broke.

BLOOPER: Finn is H/T/M, but it would also work with a H/T/F
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Postby KayleeArafinwiel » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:16 am

Is Finn a H/T/F? Or a H/T/M? Is Finn genderfluid? FTM trans? Was he excited because he was transitioning? Gender reassignment surgery would tend to make one broke, if it wasn't covered...
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Postby Earnest » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:28 am

So Finn is a female...therefore "he" is different from Finn? If Finn = the two he...is he devasted broke and excited for the same reason?
Broke = without money? Or morally devastated? If the former did he spend all his money (all in once? He spend several amounts successively?) ? Was him forced to? Did someone stole his money? His wallet? His bank account?
Did he need to compensate someone? Alchol relevant? Drugs? Accidents? Unexpected events?

Does excitment describe Finn's expectations about something? An event (concert, matches...)? Something he was about to receive? A surprise he was going to make to someone? Meeting someone relevant? Betting relevant? Was him excited for something (service? Product?) he paid for and aimed to receive?

What happened in these hours = Finn's expectations revealed wrong? Finn's expectations revealed right but nonetheless he was wrong in something else? Something else happened that devastes him and was not expected (e.g. he programmed to have a dinner with a girl and made an accident)?
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Postby Doriana » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:36 am

Is Finn a H/T/F? Or a H/T/M? Is Finn genderfluid? FTM trans? Was he excited because he was transitioning? Gender reassignment surgery would tend to make one broke, if it wasn't covered... This would make for a great puzzle, but it was just a mistake on my part. Finn is H/T/M, so I updated the head post

So Finn is a female...therefore "he" is different from Finn? No, that was mistake on my part, sorry for the confusion If Finn = the two he...is he devasted broke and excited for the same reason? "he" is indeed Finn. The reasons are different but connected
Broke = without money? This Or morally devastated? If the former did he spend all his money (all in once? This He spend several amounts successively?) ? Yes Was him forced to? Yes Did someone stole his money? His wallet? His bank account? No to these
Did he need to compensate someone? Alchol relevant? Drugs? Accidents? No to these Unexpected events? This

Does excitment describe Finn's expectations about something? Yes An event (concert, matches...)? Something he was about to receive? A surprise he was going to make to someone? Meeting someone relevant? This Betting relevant? Was him excited for something (service? Product?) he paid for and aimed to receive?

What happened in these hours = Finn's expectations revealed wrong? Yes Finn's expectations revealed right but nonetheless he was wrong in something else? No Something else happened that devastes him and was not expected (e.g. he programmed to have a dinner with a girl and made an accident)? Also this, but not the example you gave
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Postby GalFisk » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:17 am

Is he being scammed? Is he excited because he thinks he'll gain something? If so, money? Things? Fame? Love? A job? An opportunity? Is he broke because of bills? Fines? Spending? Loss of income?
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Postby Doriana » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:24 am

Is he being scammed? No Is he excited because he thinks he'll gain something? Yope If so, money? Things? Fame? Love? This is relevant A job? An opportunity? Is he broke because of bills? Fines? This Spending? Loss of income?
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Postby Earnest » Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:12 am

So his expectations are about a HTF (or HAF? HTM?) right? Did they have an appointment? A meeting? Hang out together? Is some illegal activity going on here? Did she hang out with someone else? Relevant where Finnwanted to meet her? Did he want to make her a surprise? Was it the first time that they meet? That they meet in these curcumstances (Finn expecting something)? If so is first sexual intercourse relevant? Did he think she was virgin? Did she think he was?

Fines = due to his reaction? Due to a car related crime (driving drunk; parking in a forbidden place...)? Btw...did he have a car? Were the fines huge? Were the fines because of something made voluntarily by Finn? Is meeting the someone per se suspicious? Were the fines paied by Finn? By his parents? Did Finn eventually meet the someone?

Did he expect only love? Did he expect to find a girlfriend? Did he expect to establish a relationship? To have a normal meeting? To speak about something relevant?

Window of time between being devastated and being broke: are the actions that brought Finn to be broke made when he was devastated? After days? Before being devastated (e.g. when he was excited)? Do this acrions consist in: Finn using violence? Finn meeting someone? Alchol? Drugs? Making something illegal?
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Postby Doriana » Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:27 am

So his expectations are about a HTF (or HAF? HTM?) right? Yes, H/T/FDid they have an appointment? A meeting? Hang out together? This, and something else Is some illegal activity going on here? No Did she hang out with someone else? No Relevant where Finnwanted to meet her? Not really, assume her house Did he want to make her a surprise? No Was it the first time that they meet? No That they meet in these curcumstances (Finn expecting something)? No If so is first sexual intercourse relevant? No Did he think she was virgin? Did she think he was? Irrel to these

Fines = due to his reaction? Due to a car related crime (driving drunk; parking in a forbidden place...)? THIS! But not the examples you gave Btw...did he have a car? Yes Were the fines huge? Yes Were the fines because of something made voluntarily by Finn? Yesish Is meeting the someone per se suspicious? No Were the fines paied by Finn? This By his parents? Did Finn eventually meet the someone? He met with the relevant H/T/F

Did he expect only love? Yesish Did he expect to find a girlfriend? No, because... Did he expect to establish a relationship? No, because... To have a normal meeting? Yesish To speak about something relevant? No

Window of time between being devastated and being broke: are the actions that brought Finn to be broke made when he was devastated? Yes After days? Before being devastated (e.g. when he was excited)? And also yes to this Do this acrions consist in: Finn using violence? Finn meeting someone? Alchol? Drugs? No to these Making something illegal? This

Very good round of questions!
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Postby android18 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:40 am

Was he hoping to have sex at all? Is Finn just friends with the girl? Is he relevantly not straight? Is he devastated due to something the girl said to him? About him? Has something happened to the girl to make him devastated? To someone else? Is his devastation following whatever has happened something that would be considered an appropriate reaction to most people? Does he knowingly commit a crime? As in, does he for example deliberately do something illegal as a reaction to his devastation (e.g. robs a bank, or commits assault/murder)? Or is it more an emotional, possibly irrational reaction which is also a crime (e.g. goes on a bender to drown his sorrows and drives drunk, but not that as it's already been ruled out)? Are there any other relevant people involved? If so, one? Two? Three? More?
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Postby Doriana » Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:46 am

Was he hoping to have sex at all? Not relevantly Is Finn just friends with the girl? No, more than that Is he relevantly not straight? No, he is straight Is he devastated due to something the girl said to him? Yes! About him? No Has something happened to the girl to make him devastated? No To someone else? To someone who is neither Finn nor the girl? No Is his devastation following whatever has happened something that would be considered an appropriate reaction to most people? Yes Does he knowingly commit a crime? FA, he does something illegal, but it's not a crime As in, does he for example deliberately do something illegal as a reaction to his devastation (e.g. robs a bank, or commits assault/murder)? No Or is it more an emotional, possibly irrational reaction which is also a crime (e.g. goes on a bender to drown his sorrows and drives drunk, but not that as it's already been ruled out)? This Are there any other relevant people involved? If so, one? Two? Three? More? No to all
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Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:49 am

Is it their first "hang out" together? Is Finn homosexual and she told him that she loves him? Is the HTF homosexual?

Car related fine = breaking the speed limits? Driving in the garden of the HTF? Are accidents involved? Is Finn driving the car when doing the act that lead to the fine? Driving the wrong way relevant? Honking the horn (disorderly conduct)?

To be sure...the fine is related to a car crime...are we talking about HIS car? And he has a legal age and driving license to drive all types of car right?
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Postby Doriana » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:47 am

Is it their first "hang out" together? No Is Finn homosexual and she told him that she loves him? No Is the HTF homosexual? No

Car related fine = breaking the speed limits? This Driving in the garden of the HTF? No Are accidents involved? No Is Finn driving the car when doing the act that lead to the fine? Yes Driving the wrong way relevant? Honking the horn (disorderly conduct)? No to these

To be sure...the fine is related to a car crime...are we talking about HIS car? Yes And he has a legal age and driving license to drive all types of car right? Yes
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Postby GalFisk » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:53 am

Was he in a hurry? Did he knowingly break the speed limit?
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Postby Doriana » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:41 am

CLARIFICATION/HINT: Remember that there were two instances of breaking the law.

Was he in a hurry? For instance 1, yes. For instance 2, no Did he knowingly break the speed limit? No
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Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:08 pm

so...before meeting the HTF he broke the speed limits because he was in a hurry. Instance 2 as far as I understood is again breaking the speed limits but not because he was in a hurry right? (I mean is both the same "crime" = breaking the speed limits). Is the HTF a relative to him? Was she the "channel" between the HTM and another HTF? Did the HTF give Finn a bad new? Instance 2 of breaking the speed limits = he wanted to reach a place/ a person the sooner possible? love relevant = love between a mother and a son? Between a brother and a sister? Between two friends? Love as in a relationship? Are animals relevant at all? Is health?

To recap...Finn went to the HTF not expecting her to become her girlfriend nor to establish any relationship with him. Did he know she had already a boyfriend? Did Finn look for a girlfriend? Did he expect the HTF to decline his offer to become his girlfriend (something like she was in a relationship with a closer friend of Finn...?)?
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Postby Doriana » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:43 pm

so...before meeting the HTF he broke the speed limits because he was in a hurry. Yes Instance 2 as far as I understood is again breaking the speed limits but not because he was in a hurry right? Correct (I mean is both the same "crime" = breaking the speed limits) Yes Is the HTF a relative to him? No Was she the "channel" between the HTM and another HTF? No Did the HTF give Finn a bad new? Yes Instance 2 of breaking the speed limits = he wanted to reach a place/ a person the sooner possible? No love relevant = love between a mother and a son? Between a brother and a sister? Between two friends? Love as in a relationship? This Are animals relevant at all? Is health? No to these

To recap...Finn went to the HTF not expecting her to become her girlfriend nor to establish any relationship with him. Correct, because... Did he know she had already a boyfriend? FAish. She did have a boyfriend, and Finn knew, because... Did Finn look for a girlfriend? No Did he expect the HTF to decline his offer to become his girlfriend (something like she was in a relationship with a closer friend of Finn...?)? No, FA
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Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:20 pm

She did have a boyfriend, and Finn knew, because...it was Finn himself? Did she said to Finn something related to her relationship? That she had a boyfriend? That she does not have a boyfriend? That she is going to break with the boyfriend? Was it a blind date? Did the girl expect Finn to come? To hang out with her?

Is Finn testing her? Instance 2: was Finn angry?
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Postby Doriana » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:26 pm

She did have a boyfriend, and Finn knew, because...it was Finn himself? YES! Did she said to Finn something related to her relationship? Yes That she had a boyfriend? That she does not have a boyfriend? That she is going to break with the boyfriend? Not only this, but she actually broke up with him Was it a blind date? No Did the girl expect Finn to come? Yes To hang out with her? Yope

Is Finn testing her? No Instance 2: was Finn angry? Yes
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Postby android18 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:21 pm

Was the fine he received for speeding to meet her? Was his second illegal act also speeding? Is he broke because he had to pay two fines? A very large fine? I'm assuming Finn does not expect his girlfriend to break up with him? Is she angry at him? Is she cheating on him and left him for someone else? Has he cheated on her? Has Finn mistreated her in some way? Has she mistreated him? Is Finn angry at her? Himself? Someone else? Is he broke weeks later because that's when he commits the illegal act? Or is that when the fine(s) are paid?
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Postby Earnest » Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:30 pm

Did she break with him for something done by Finn? For something done by her? Cheating relevant? Were there already problems among them? Did she break with him as soon as he arrived? After having a conversation with him? Was it in the intentions of the HTF to break with Finn before meeting him? If not, did she decide after seconds? Minutes? Hours? For something Finn did? For something she thought he did? Lies relevant? Phones? Phone calls?
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Postby Doriana » Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:41 am

Was the fine he received for speeding to meet her? Yes Was his second illegal act also speeding? Yes, and he was also fined for this Is he broke because he had to pay two fines? Yes A very large fine? Assume both fines were rather large I'm assuming Finn does not expect his girlfriend to break up with him? Correct Is she angry at him? Possibly Is she cheating on him and left him for someone else? Possibly Has he cheated on her? Assume no Has Finn mistreated her in some way? Assume no Has she mistreated him? Assume no Is Finn angry at her? Possibly Himself? Possibly Someone else? No Is he broke weeks later because that's when he commits the illegal act? No Or is that when the fine(s) are paid? Yes

Did she break with him for something done by Finn? For something done by her? Largely irrel Cheating relevant? Possibly Were there already problems among them? Not from Finn's perspective Did she break with him as soon as he arrived? After having a conversation with him? Assume this Was it in the intentions of the HTF to break with Finn before meeting him? Yes If not, did she decide after seconds? Minutes? Hours? n/a For something Finn did? For something she thought he did? Lies relevant? Phones? Phone calls? Irrel to rest

We have everything we need for the

********SPOILER********

Finn's girlfriend texts him "Come over". He is excited to see her and hang out with her, so he tries to get there as fast as possible. He breaks the speed limit and is caught by a speed trap. His girlfriend wanted him to come over only to break up with him, which he did not expect. He is devastated and angry. On his way home, he once again breaks the speed limit and is caught by the same speed trap. Some weeks later, he has to pay two hefty fines, leaving him broke.

Well done, Earnest, android, Galfisk and all others who played! By the way, this is a true story that happened to a boy I went to high school with.
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Postby Earnest » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:07 am

Poor boy...it happened to me something similar actually (ex girlfriend calling me just to break) ...but instead of breaking the speed limits I just went to a pizzeria nearby and ate tons and tons of pizza
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Re: [Doriana] Do you recall? (*CAUGHT*)

Postby Doriana » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:10 am

That sounds like a better solution. When my last boyfriend broke up with me, my boss bought me Tons of chocolate the next day
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Re: [Doriana] Do you recall? (*CAUGHT*)

Postby Earnest » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:15 am

Well indeed...food is all we need. Just a last remark since I actually broke with my last girlfriend a week ago, the first comment on my side has been: "Well, thank God is Christmas time (which in Italy is synonym of food, food, food and food)". Anyway very nice puzzle!
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