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[GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:30 pm
by GalFisk
He wanted it. He was confused. He got it.

Re: [GalFisk]Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:11 pm
by CoffeeBean
Are the "it" that he wanted and the "it" that he got both the same thing?
Does the "it" that he wanted refer to - an item? a set of items that is referred to as a collective? a situation or circumstance? an opportunity? Something else?

Was he confused about what he wanted? Was he always confused? Did he fully understand what he wanted?

Re: [GalFisk]Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:13 am
by GalFisk
Are the "it" that he wanted and the "it" that he got both the same thing? No.
Does the "it" that he wanted refer to - an item? a set of items that is referred to as a collective? a situation or circumstance? an opportunity? Something else? An item-ish.

Was he confused about what he wanted? Was he always confused? No to both. Did he fully understand what he wanted? Yes.

Re: [GalFisk]Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:30 pm
by CoffeeBean
Was his initial desire for "it" based on something he saw? Heard about? Did he know someone who had "it"?
Is "it" unique? Is "it" the only one of its kind in the world? Is "it" animate or inanimate?
Was he confused about how to get "it"?

Re: [GalFisk]Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:33 pm
by GalFisk
Was his initial desire for "it" based on something he saw? Heard about? Probably both. Did he know someone who had "it"? Yes, he had "it", but...
Is "it" unique? No. Is "it" the only one of its kind in the world? No. Is "it" animate No. or inanimate? Yes.
Was he confused about how to get "it"? No.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:42 pm
by CoffeeBean
Was his confusion directly related to "it"? Or more indirectly?
Are other person(s) directly involved in his getting "it"? In his confusion?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:56 pm
by GalFisk
Was his confusion directly related to "it"? Yes. Or more indirectly? No.
Are other person(s) directly involved in his getting "it"? Assume no. In his confusion? Assume no.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:49 pm
by CoffeeBean
Is the puzzle statement in chronological order? He wanted it THEN he was confused THEN he got it?
He wanted a tangible item? This and something else?
Was he confused about how to use the item? About how the item operates (if this applies)? About how he could be affected by the item?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:01 pm
by GalFisk
Is the puzzle statement in chronological order? He wanted it THEN he was confused THEN he got it? Yes.
He wanted a tangible item? DOYD of tangible. This and something else? He wanted one thing.
Was he confused about how to use the item? No. About how the item operates (if this applies)? Yesish. About how he could be affected by the item? No.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:43 pm
by CoffeeBean
Did he need to buy the item? Or was it given to him? Or did he find it? Or obtained another way?
So he was not confused before he got it? Only afterwards? Or during both periods?
Did his confusion relate to consequences of having "it"? How to use "it"? How "it" might affect his life?
Did having "it" make him happy? All of the time? Some of the time?
Can "it" be bought at a store? From another person? Or is "it" not obtained by money?
Is "it" something that many people have? Only a few people?
Does "it" refer to more than just the object that he wanted? Is "it" also an experience? A lifestyle? A name? A way of thinking? A way of acting? A way that a person appears?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:32 am
by GalFisk
Did he need to buy the item? Or was it given to him? Or did he find it? Or obtained another way? He had it as part of his job.
So he was not confused before he got it? Only afterwards? Or during both periods? He had it (ish), but was confused when wanted to use it.
Did his confusion relate to consequences of having "it"? Yesish. How to use "it"? He knew how he wanted to use it, but... How "it" might affect his life? Irr.
Did having "it" make him happy? All of the time? Some of the time? Assuming he enjoyed his work, which I think he did.
Can "it" be bought at a store? From another person? Or is "it" not obtained by money? At the time, it could not be bought AFAIK.
Is "it" something that many people have? Only a few people? At the time, very few.
Does "it" refer to more than just the object that he wanted? No (DOYD of "object", explore). Is "it" also an experience? A lifestyle? A name? A way of thinking? A way of acting? A way that a person appears? No to all.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:22 pm
by CoffeeBean
Is water relevant?
Would it help to find out the job/occupation of the relevant person?
Was "it" designed to help him do his job better? Do it at all?
Is "it" something that can be designed, or already exists "as is"?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:51 pm
by GalFisk
Is water relevant? Ni.
Would it help to find out the job/occupation of the relevant person? Provat.
Was "it" designed to help him do his job better? This. Do it at all?
Is "it" something that can be designed, or already exists "as is"? Designed is OTRT.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:14 pm
by CoffeeBean
Is he a teacher? Laborer? Executive? Craftsman? Sales? Manufacturing?
Is "it" created entirely from raw materials? Or is "it" something that is shaped or adapted from an existing object?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:43 pm
by GalFisk
Is he a teacher? Laborer? Executive? Craftsman? Sales? Manufacturing? No to all.
Is "it" created entirely from raw materials? Or is "it" something that is shaped or adapted from an existing object? Raw materials.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:00 pm
by CoffeeBean
Is "it" made of wood? Rock? Paper? Ice? Mineral? Plastic? Other?
Is "it" entirely solid?

Is his profession one that requires a high level of skill? Training?
Does it require travel? Is it a commonly held profession?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:15 pm
by GalFisk
Is "it" made of wood? Rock? Paper? Ice? Mineral? Plastic? Other?
Is "it" entirely solid?
The first "it" is made from other and is not entirely solid.
The second "it" is made from plastic and is entirely solid.


Is his profession one that requires a high level of skill? Training? Yes to both.
Does it require travel? Is it a commonly held profession? No to both.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:41 pm
by CoffeeBean
So there are two "it"s?
Does the one that is not entirely solid consist of a solid part and a liquid part? Solid and gas? Some kind of container?
Does the first "it" transform into the second "it"?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:14 pm
by GalFisk
So there are two "it"s?
Does the one that is not entirely solid consist of a solid part and a liquid part? Solid and gas? Some kind of container?It's entirely a gas, in a container.
Does the first "it" transform into the second "it"? Yes indeed.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:51 pm
by CoffeeBean
So over the course of time, a gas becomes a solid? And the solid is a plastic?
Or does something interact or react with the gas?
Is the man a chemist? Engineer? Scientist? Inventor?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:38 pm
by trebor
Was the second “it” a reaction/result he wasn’t expecting?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:48 pm
by GalFisk
So over the course of time, a gas becomes a solid? And the solid is a plastic? Yes to both.
Or does something interact or react with the gas? No.
Is the man a chemist? Engineer? Scientist? Inventor? Yes to all.


Was the second “it” a reaction/result he wasn’t expecting? Yes.
You don't need to figure out the chemistry, but you need to find out what he was trying to invent, and what well-known plastic he got.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:48 pm
by CoffeeBean
I really should be able to get this since I sell plastic for a living...

Nylon? Polyester? Styrene?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:29 pm
by GalFisk
I really should be able to get this since I sell plastic for a living... Cool. Plastic is very interesting, when you get into the details. Good thing you don't know this story, or you'd have guessed it already.

Nylon? Polyester? Styrene? No to all.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:47 pm
by trebor
Rubber?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:52 am
by GalFisk
Rubber? No.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:07 am
by trebor
If things had gone according to plan would the gas have stayed a gas?

Was he trying to invent something used for: fun? Education? Medicine? The military? Exploration? Same qs for what he actually invented.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:14 am
by GalFisk
If things had gone according to plan would the gas have stayed a gas? Yesish.

Was he trying to invent something used for: fun? Education? Medicine? The military? Exploration? Same qs for what he actually invented. No to all.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:07 pm
by GalFisk
Hint: the title is relevant.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:50 pm
by CoffeeBean
Clear plastic? Colored plastic?
Common plastic?
PVC?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:39 pm
by GalFisk
Clear plastic? Colored plastic? No to both.
Common plastic? Yes, for a specific use.
PVC? No.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:48 pm
by CoffeeBean
Does the plastic typically go by a manufacturer's trade name (like Mylar, Nylon)? Or a more generic name?
Does the plastic usually appear and/or get used in a sheet form? Molded form? Granulated form? Something else?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:54 pm
by GalFisk
Does the plastic typically go by a manufacturer's trade name (like Mylar, Nylon)? Yes, but neither of those. Or a more generic name?
Does the plastic usually appear and/or get used in a sheet form? Molded form? Granulated form? Something else? This.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:51 am
by trebor
Is dry ice relevant? Regular ice? Steam? Water? Vanilla?

Is the plastic normally used by adults? Teens? Children? People of a certain profession? Is it used around the house? At school/work? Is it multipurpose? Is it used in clothing?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:47 am
by GalFisk
Is dry ice relevant? Regular ice? This. Steam? Water? Vanilla?

Is the plastic normally used by adults? Yes. Teens? Sometimes. Children? Rarely. People of a certain profession? Noish. Is it used around the house? Yes. At school/work? Not normally. Is it multipurpose? Not in the well-known form, but it has other uses too. Is it used in clothing? No.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:59 pm
by CoffeeBean
Plastic ice cubes? Ice trays?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:08 pm
by GalFisk
Plastic ice cubes? Ice trays? No to both.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:20 pm
by CoffeeBean
In its most common usage, does the plastic have the same form? Can it be shaped or formed easily? At room temperature?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 4:14 pm
by GalFisk
In its most common usage, does the plastic have the same form? The same form as what? It is not being deformed when used, but it is not in the form our hero discovered it. Can it be shaped or formed easily? It's known to not be straightforward. At room temperature? It's reasonably soft, but I think shaping it into a product requires heat if that's what you mean.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:21 am
by trebor
Is it used moreso in one particular season? Is it used in the bathroom? Kitchen/eating area? Living room? Bedroom? Garage? Entryway? Is it used for housework? For hygiene? For getting ready in the morning? For going to bed?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:06 am
by GalFisk
Is it used moreso in one particular season? Is it used in the bathroom? Kitchen/eating area? This. Living room? Bedroom? Garage? Entryway? Is it used for housework? This. For hygiene? For getting ready in the morning? For going to bed?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:28 am
by Hobbsicle
Tupperware? Silicone?

Was the gas blown/sprayed (or otherwise directed) onto ice? The resulting temperature drop made it change form?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:05 am
by GalFisk
Tupperware? Silicone? No to both.

Was the gas blown/sprayed (or otherwise directed) onto ice? No. The resulting temperature drop made it change form? No.
He did originally want to cause a temperature drop though.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:51 pm
by trebor
Saran Wrap? Did he create something we use in cooking? Storing food? Eating food? Drinking? Cleaning kitchen appliances? Linoleum relevant?

Did the ice in question already exist? Is it what he wanted to create? Is he trying to invent something to do with freezing/refrigeration? Did he invent something to do with that?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:08 pm
by GalFisk
Saran Wrap? No. Did he create something we use in cooking? This. Storing food? Eating food? Drinking? Cleaning kitchen appliances? Cleaning is somewhat relevant. Linoleum relevant?

Did the ice in question already exist? Is it what he wanted to create? Is he trying to invent something to do with freezing/refrigeration? Yes, he's trying to make a better refrigeration system, for use in household fridges and freezers. Did he invent something to do with that? No (actually, he did - but that's outside the scope of the puzzle).

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:46 pm
by trebor
Is the thing used in fridges/freezers? On stovetops? In ovens? On counters? Is it an appliance? A tool? Is it part of a larger thing? Is it a coating on something?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:34 am
by GalFisk
Is the thing used in fridges/freezers? No. On stovetops? This, most famously. In ovens? Sometimes this too. On counters? Sometimes this too. Is it an appliance? A tool? No to both. Is it part of a larger thing? Yes. Is it a coating on something? Yes.

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:25 pm
by trebor
Teflon?

Re: [GalFisk] Ice ice baby

PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:46 pm
by GalFisk
Teflon?
Indeed.
SPOILER: Roy J. Plunkett was developing a new refrigerant gas, tetrafluoroethylene. But when he wanted to take some out of a cylinder, nothing came out. It still weighed the same as a full cylinder though, so it shouldn't have leaked. When he cut it open, he found a waxy powder. The gas had polymerized into polytetrafluoroethylene, which became trademarked as Teflon.
He wanted to make one aspect of ice (cold), he was confused (because there was no gas in the cylinder), he ended up with another aspect of ice (slipperiness, a key property of PTFE).
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