[CoffeeBean] Scary Shop Talk

[CoffeeBean]

One night a little boy heard two men discussing their job and he laughed. The next morning he heard those same two men having the same discussion and it caused the boy to run away while crying. Why?

[Earnest]

Relevant their job? Blue collars? White collars? Food involved? Weapons? Were they discussing in a friendly way? Both times? Just the first time? Did the men see him? Were the two collegues? Competitors? Boss and employee?

Were the discussions caused by the boy? Relevant that the second discussion happened in the morning? First discussion = the morning before? The evening before? Were they drunk? Did they work all night? Did they discuss all night?

Is the fact of having a second discussion due to the two not having find an agreement before? Is there a novelty in the second time they discussed? If so: they were aware of the children presence? Nobody was there to hold them while discussing?

Did the boy run away while crying after the end of the discussion? During it? due to something said in the discussion? Something done? Has he got a relevant relation with one of the men? Son? Friend? Co worker?

WAG --> was the boy the only one having both reactions? The two were actors: first time they fake the discussion in public and made the audience laugh, while the second time they discussed seriously with weapons.

[GalFisk]

Did he cry out of: fear? Horror? Sorrow? Disappointment?Relief? Happiness? Anxiety? Shock? Onions? Tear gas? Pain? Loss? Getting something in his eyes?

[CoffeeBean]

Relevant their job? Yes Blue collars? White collars? Not really either of these Food involved? No Weapons? Yes, but indirectly Were they discussing in a friendly way? Yes, very much so Both times? Yes Just the first time?
Did the men see him? No Were the two collegues? This is mostly accurate, yes Competitors? No Boss and employee? One of them could be considered the boss, but the other would not be considered an employee

Were the discussions caused by the boy? In an indirect way, yes (good question)
Relevant that the second discussion happened in the morning? Yes, very much
First discussion = the morning before? The evening before? This Were they drunk? No
Did they work all night? No Did they discuss all night? No

Is the fact of having a second discussion due to the two not having find an agreement before? No
Is there a novelty in the second time they discussed? Not sure what you are asking here, can you ask another way?
If so: they were aware of the children presence? No Nobody was there to hold them while discussing? Not relevant

Did the boy run away while crying after the end of the discussion? No... During it? This
due to something said in the discussion? Partly this but also something else relevant that happened
Something done? Yes Has he got a relevant relation with one of the men? He knows who both of them are Son? Friend? Co worker? None of these

WAG --> was the boy the only one having both reactions? Yes
The two were actors: first time they fake the discussion in public and made the audience laugh, while the second time they discussed seriously with weapons. Not this but a good guess

Did he cry out of: fear? Horror? Both of these Sorrow? Disappointment?Relief? Happiness? Anxiety? Shock? Also this to some degree Onions? Tear gas? Pain? Loss? Getting something in his eyes?

[Earnest]

Discussion in the morning: did they wake up someone? The boy? Did they mean to scary make the boy cry with the second discussion? To scary him? Had the boy some damage from the second discussion of the two?

Did the boy understand that they were discussing in a friendly way both times? Just the first one? Was he awake when they discussed the second time? Did they relevantly scream?

Did they work in healthcare? In an hotel? In a restaurant? As taxi drivers? As agricolturers? In the army? is technology relevant? Deliveries? Scientists? Researchers? Gamers? Drivers? Athletes? Coaches? Teacher? Pub owners? In entertainment industry? Pirates? They work in a shop?

Can the boy be considered a passer? A costumer? A collegue? A part of their job?
Is the fact of hearing the two discussing on the same topic twice perceived as a danger by the boy? Did the boy think that they discussed all the night on the same topic? Did the boy expect something to happen in the morning? Did he expect to hear the two? To hear the two discussing? To hear the two discussing on that topic? Had they discussed about another topic would he still have run away crying? Did he laugh the first tine because he understood that they were discussing in a friendly way? If so relevant how he discivered it? Were they laugh as well? Did one of the 2 interacted with him? Is it the first time that they discussed about the topic? Relevant? Relevance of night and morning time = the next morning was a special day? (E.g. christmas...) Was the boy not allowed to do something due to their friendly discussion? (E.g. move from a place to another? Step into a shop?...) did the boy made something illegal (e.g. he stole something to them)? Pranked them?

Cause of the discussions: taking care of the boy? Mansions? Turns? Correct way to make things? Move the activity? Hiring someone? Firing someone? Salary? Sell the activity? Were the two unable to see something that they instead saw the morning after? If so, something belonging to the boy?

[GalFisk]

Is a crime relevant? Does the boy see the discussion in a different light in the morning? Does he laugh because he thinks they're joking? Are people apart from the boy and the two men relevant?

[CoffeeBean]

Discussion in the morning: did they wake up someone? The boy? Yes to both
Did they mean to scary make the boy cry with the second discussion? To scary him? This wasn't the intent of their discussion, no
Had the boy some damage from the second discussion of the two? Something specific related to the discussion is what caused him to be scared

Did the boy understand that they were discussing in a friendly way both times? Just the first one? Both
Was he awake when they discussed the second time? Not the entire time, no Did they relevantly scream? No, but something similar happened that is relevant

Did they work in healthcare? In an hotel? In a restaurant? As taxi drivers? As agricolturers? In the army? is technology relevant? Deliveries? Scientists? Researchers? Gamers? Drivers? Athletes? Coaches? Teacher? Pub owners? In entertainment industry? This one is closestPirates? They work in a shop?

Can the boy be considered a passer? What is this? A costumer? A collegue? A part of their job? No to these

Is the fact of hearing the two discussing on the same topic twice perceived as a danger by the boy? No Did the boy think that they discussed all the night on the same topic? No, he knew they hadn't Did the boy expect something to happen in the morning? Yes, he did
Did he expect to hear the two? Yes To hear the two discussing? Yes To hear the two discussing on that topic? Yes
Had they discussed about another topic would he still have run away crying? Very likely, yes - good question! See next answer...
Did he laugh the first tine because he understood that they were discussing in a friendly way? Yes (and because of something else that hasn't been discovered yet) If so relevant how he discivered it? Yes Were they laugh as well? No Did one of the 2 interacted with him? No, neither one of them did

Is it the first time that they discussed about the topic? Relevant? Yes, it is relevant. This isn't the first time the men have had this same discussion, but it's the first time the boy has heard the discussion
Relevance of night and morning time = the next morning was a special day? (E.g. christmas...) No
Was the boy not allowed to do something due to their friendly discussion? (E.g. move from a place to another? Step into a shop?...) did the boy made something illegal (e.g. he stole something to them)? Pranked them? No to all

Cause of the discussions: taking care of the boy? No, they do not directly mention the boy but you are somewhat on the right track with this Mansions? Turns? Correct way to make things? Move the activity? Hiring someone? Firing someone? Salary? Sell the activity? Were the two unable to see something that they instead saw the morning after? If so, something belonging to the boy? No to all

Is a crime relevant? No Does the boy see the discussion in a different light in the morning? He would certainly say that he does!
Does he laugh because he thinks they're joking? Not exactly a "joke", but there is an element of humor in what they are talking about with regards to what kind of people they are Are people apart from the boy and the two men relevant? Only two other people

[Earnest]

Is the discussion part of a show? Are noises relevant? Did they perform relevant actions? Did they fake to fight one another? Did something wrong happened the second time? Did they say relevant words when discussing? Is mute cinema relevant?

Do others see them discussing before? On the same topic? Is an experiment taking place?
Does their job involve the two entertain someone? Is the job to be made in couple?
Did the boy saw them directly the second time? Their shadows? Did he interpret a gesture in the wrong way? Could he hear clearly what they were saying? Both times? Is the boy aware of the topic of the discussion? Does he have some knowledge about it? If not or irr, is he laughing the first time for the way the two are dressed up (and maybe they changed their clothing the next morning)? For the gestures they made? For the riddiculous voice they were doing (e.g. helium voice)? For the expression on their faces?

Entertainment = cinema? Theater? Clowns? Tv show? Dancers? Painters? Noise makers? Musicians? Mimes? Street performers? Magicians?

[CoffeeBean]

Is the discussion part of a show? No, it's not, but it is related to this (see the last set of questions).
Are noises relevant? Yes, very! Did they perform relevant actions? No
Did they fake to fight one another? No
Did something wrong happened the second time? No Did they say relevant words when discussing? The words they used are relevant, but the boy was not scared just because of what they said
Is mute cinema relevant? No

Do others see them discussing before? No On the same topic? Other people have heard them discuss this topic, yes Is an experiment taking place? No
Does their job involve the two entertain someone? This is the result, but they would not say that it is their job to do this Is the job to be made in couple? Usually they work together, yes
Did the boy saw them directly the second time? No - good q Their shadows? No
Did he interpret a gesture in the wrong way? No
Could he hear clearly what they were saying? Both times? Yes, quite clearly both times
Is the boy aware of the topic of the discussion? Yes, very aware
Does he have some knowledge about it? He knows what they are talking about and he knows why they are having the discussion
If not or irr, is he laughing the first time for the way the two are dressed up (and maybe they changed their clothing the next morning)? No, but the boy knows how the two men are dressed
For the gestures they made? No
For the ridiculous voice they were doing (e.g. helium voice)? No
For the expression on their faces? No, the boy never sees their faces

Entertainment = cinema? Theater? Clowns? TV show? This is how the boy knows who they are, yes
Dancers? Painters? Noise makers? Musicians? Mimes? Street performers? Magicians? No to these

[GalFisk]

Are they rehearsing something? Does the boy think they are rehearsing something? Does he think they are on TV?

[Earnest]

The boy don't see their faces the first time because: they are masked? They cover them? The quality of the signal was bad? They were turned?

Are loud noises relevant? Explosions? Fights? Screams? Offenses? Angry faces? Sudden noises? Noises that the boy associated to something bad?

[CoffeeBean]

Are they rehearsing something? No Does the boy think they are rehearsing something? No
Does he think they are on TV? No, he knows they aren't on TV in this circumstance

The boy don't see their faces the first time because: they are masked? They cover them? The quality of the signal was bad? They were turned? None of these

Are loud noises relevant? Yes, loud and also...Explosions? Fights? Screams? Offenses? Angry faces? Sudden noises? ...this, very sudden. Noises that the boy associated to something bad? No, not at all.

[Earnest]

Did the boy expect to hear the noise? Did it came from something the two men did? Did he know? Was the noise made on purpose? Were the two enemies in the tv show? Cokics relevant? Super heroes? Was the noise sudden also for the two?

Fireworks? Music? High volume music? Dishes on the floor? Glasses crashing? Applauses? War sounds? Were the sound produced by some relevant technology?

[CoffeeBean]

Did the boy expect to hear the noise? Yes, he did...BUT there was something about it that he didn't expect - good q Did it came from something the two men did? Yes Did he know? He knew what the noise was and where it came from, yes Was the noise made on purpose? Yes Were the two enemies in the tv show? No Comics relevant? Super heroes? YES to both Was the noise sudden also for the two? No

Fireworks? No Music? No High volume Yes, but not...music? ...this.
Dishes on the floor? Glasses crashing? Applauses? War sounds? No to all
Were the sound produced by some relevant technology? YES

[Earnest]

Relevant which super heroes? Are microphones relevant? Internet? Phones? Stereo? Pc? Cinema?

Are spoilers relevant?

Relevant which super heroes? May I invoke the list?

[wolfier]

Did the boy turn on the TV in the morning?
Did the noise he heard on the TV, the same as noise from real life nearby?
Did the boy think what's happening on TV is also happening in real life? Some supervillain appearing nextdoor?

[GalFisk]

Loud noise: a whistle? An alarm? A weapon? An explosive? A loudspeaker? Is the noise meant to scare away people? Are the men being recorded? Are they acting? Is the boy spying on them? Sneaking into a filming set?

[CoffeeBean]

Relevant which super heroes? Yes, it’s Batman and Robin
Are microphones relevant? Internet? Phones? Stereo? Pc? Cinema? None of these

Are spoilers relevant? No


Post by wolfier » Tue May 07, 2019 2:59 am

Did the boy turn on the TV in the morning? No but OTRT
Did the noise he heard on the TV, the same as noise from real life nearby? He heard a real life noise but not from TV
Did the boy think what's happening on TV is also happening in real life? Not exactly but explore this
Some supervillain appearing next door? No he didn’t think this

[CoffeeBean]

Loud noise: a whistle? An alarm? A weapon? An explosive? A loudspeaker? No to all
Is the noise meant to scare away people? No - but it’s meant to do something
Are the men being recorded? Not at this time, no Are they acting? Yes, but not live

Is the boy spying on them? Sneaking into a filming set? No to both

[Earnest]

Bat signal on the sky relevant? Did he knew that the sound came from the relevant technology? Did he imagine it came from the two? Are comics relevant? Did he see them discussing in a comic the first time? Are e books relevant? Headphones?
Relevant technology = a Batman related technology? A tool (e.g. a drill)? Something connected with acoustic (e.g. stereo boxes/instruments...)? Did he hear Batmam new voice for the first time (sorry but it's kind of creepy)? Batman and robin toys relevant? Clock alarms? Was the boy dreaming?

Did the boy turn on the relevant technology the next day?

[android18]

Did the TV (presenters?) give some ort of warning that the noise is about to occur? Does he actually hear the noise? Or is he running away because of the anticipation of the noise? Is he watching TV at the time of being scared? Does he genuinely hear them talking in real life and thinks the scary TV noise will happen?

[CoffeeBean]

Bat signal on the sky relevant? No Did he knew that the sound came from the relevant technology? Yes
Did he imagine it came from the two? Probably not, but maybe for a brief moment he did
Are comics relevant? No, besides the boy's knowledge of who B&R are
Did he see them discussing in a comic the first time? Not this discussion, no Are e books relevant? No (they were not yet invented at the time this happened) Headphones? No
Relevant technology = a Batman related technology? No A tool (e.g. a drill)? No
Something connected with acoustic (e.g. stereo boxes/instruments...)? No
Did he hear Batmam new voice for the first time (sorry but it's kind of creepy)? Well he had only heard it once from the relevant source (keep reading) Batman and robin toys relevant? Not a toy... Clock alarms? ...THIS!
Was the boy dreaming? Not at the moment he heard the talking, but probably just before it

Did the boy turn on the relevant technology the next day? It turned on automatically

Nearly done

[Earnest]

Missed android questions

Did the clock alarm ring? Did he expect the clock alarm to ring? Did he want to? Was it the first time that it rang during the morning? Did he have something to do but he did not want to (e.g. going to the dentist)? Did the clock alarm consisted in batman and robin discussing? Was the clock alarm a conventional one? Is the batman and robin's part the sound made by the alarm? Did he run away from his bed? Did he stop crying once he realized that it was the alarm? Did he realize it? Did someone hide the alarm? Did he had an alarm clock? Was it Christmas and the alarm was a present and a surprise that was put in his room during the night? Relevant why he run away crying? Was him scared? By the alarm? Did he believe to be involved in the happenings of the tv series? Is Freddie Krueger relevant?
Did he hear the alarm clock that morning for the first time? Had he heard it also the other mornings? If so in the same conditions?

Did the alarm repeat the exact same words of the discussion he heared the night before? Relevant? Registrations relevant (e.g. the clock was able to register voices so that he heared both the two discussing and he himself laughing so he thought to live a deja vu)? Relevant when he eventually stop crying? If so, when he realized that he was safe? That he was in his house? In real life?

[CoffeeBean]

Sorry, I missed these...
Did the TV (presenters?) give some sort of warning that the noise is about to occur? This did not happen on TV (see below) but there was no warning about the noise Does he actually hear the noise? Yes Or is he running away because of the anticipation of the noise? No, he hears it
Is he watching TV at the time of being scared? No
Does he genuinely hear them talking in real life and thinks the scary TV noise will happen? No

Did the clock alarm ring? It made noise, yes Did he expect the clock alarm to ring? Well, he thought he did... Did he want to? Yes (which is why he laughed at first) Was it the first time that it rang during the morning? YES Did he have something to do but he did not want to (e.g. going to the dentist)? No
Did the clock alarm consisted in batman and robin discussing? YES, but this was preceded by another noise
Was the clock alarm a conventional one? Mostly (see next answer) Is the batman and robin's part the sound made by the alarm? YES Did he run away from his bed? Yes Did he stop crying once he realized that it was the alarm? Yes Did he realize it? Yes Did someone hide the alarm? No Did he had an alarm clock? Yes Was it Christmas and the alarm was a present Yes and a surprise that was put in his room during the night? But no, he had gotten the clock the day before and already knew it was in his room and would be activated in the morning Relevant why he run away crying? Yes... Was him scared? By the alarm? ...yes to both, this is why he ran and was scared.
Did he believe to be involved in the happenings of the tv series? No Is Freddie Krueger relevant? No
Did he hear the alarm clock that morning for the first time? That was the first morning that the alarm had been used to wake him up Had he heard it also the other mornings? No, he had never woken up to this alarm, he had listened to the alarm the previous afternoon while he was wide awake If so in the same conditions? So no

Did the alarm repeat the exact same words of the discussion he heard the night before? Yes, along with another relevant noise Relevant? Yes Registrations relevant (e.g. the clock was able to register voices so that he heard both the two discussing and he himself laughing so he thought to live a deja vu)? No, the alarm does not register or record any voices or noises, it simply plays back a recorded message
Relevant when he eventually stop crying? Yes... If so, when he realized that he was safe? That he was in his house? In real life? Yes, once he realized all of this he stopped running and crying

Almost done with this one. Can you guess what the relevant noise was that would cause the boy to be scared even though he expected to hear Batman and Robin talking in the morning?

[android18]

So the relevant noise isn't simply a conventional loud alarm noise? Batmobile taking off? Another voice? Such as a villain? Did the clock move at all? Like the vibrations make it fall on the floor?

[CoffeeBean]

So the relevant noise isn't simply a conventional loud alarm noise? No (but it is loud)... Batmobile taking off? Well this sound is heard at one point, but it's the opposite that's heard at the relevant moment...
Another voice? Not a voice, at first Such as a villain? No
Did the clock move at all? Like the vibrations make it fall on the floor? No to both

[android18]

Is it a crash? Something else involving the batmobile?

[Earnest]

Window shut? A scream? A siren? A noise that would have been present even without the alarm clock? Did the sound come from inside his room? Sounds of shotguns? Glasses broken? Batmobile relevant? Other gadgets? Did the sound start when the alarm activated? Before? Is the clock digital? Relevant? Heroic music relevant? Scary music? Sound of distruction? Of an enemy coming?

[CoffeeBean]

Is it a crash? No Something else involving the batmobile? Yes, it's not the batmobile taking off, but...

Window shut? A scream? A siren? No to these (see above)
A noise that would have been present even without the alarm clock? No, surely not
Did the sound come from inside his room? Yes, from the alarm clock. It made this noise just before the voices of Batman and Robin Sounds of shotguns? Glasses broken? No
Batmobile relevant? YES Other gadgets? No Did the sound start when the alarm activated? Yes, this sound is made immediately when the alarm activates Before? No Is the clock digital? Relevant? It's analog but that is not relevant Heroic music relevant? Scary music? Sound of distruction? Of an enemy coming? No to all, the sound is directly related to the Batmobile. At one point the alarm plays the sound of the Batmobile driving away, but that sound is not what is the most relevant...

[android18]

Batmobile's alarm? Braking? Tyres screeching?

[CoffeeBean]

Batmobile's alarm? No
Braking? Tyres screeching? Yes to both!

----- SPOILER -----

This is a true story. When I was 9 years old I got a Batman and Robin alarm clock for Christmas. I thought it was really cool, and wanted to try it out right away instead of waiting until the next morning. So that afternoon I put batteries in the clock and tested the alarm. The "alarm" started with a very loud sound of the Batmobile braking and coming to a screeching halt, then Batman and Robin had a loud discussion about being sent on a mission to wake people up before driving away. The cycle would continue until the alarm was turned off. I thought this was both cool and funny so I laughed at the idea of the two superheros on a mission to wake me up. So I set the alarm to go off early the next morning and thought I would be prepared. I was not. I was sound asleep when all of a sudden the very loud sound of screeching tires and Batman and Robin talking about waking me up filled my bedroom. In my suddenly-wakened disoriented state, I became frightened, started crying and ran out of my room toward my parents' bedroom. My dad came and met me in the hallway, calmed me down and we went and turned off the alarm.

I don't recall ever using the alarm again after that.

Good job by all who participated

[Earnest]

Great puzzle!