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[WiZ] One-liner?

Postby WiZ » Fri May 17, 2019 12:39 am

A woman decides that she needs to use a dozen pegs. In the end, she uses only 11. As a result, many lives are saved. Explain.
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Postby Earnest » Fri May 17, 2019 7:33 am

Can we assume modern times? War times?

Pegs = to hang clothes on a line? hook for coat? pin for hanging laundry? Did she use pegs on noses? To hang explosives (socks with bombs inside)? To make a rat trap? Spring of the peg relevant? Pegs for hairs?

Did she employ the 12th peg for something else that the other 11? If so is the use of the 12th peg in a different way that saved lives? Assuming yes to both questions: did she employ it to unlock a door? Pass messages? To lock something? To pinch someone (e.g. a sniper, a horse...)? Fabricate traps? Bombs? Are hospitals relevant? Prisons?
Did she use only 11 pegs because they were really sufficient for what she had to do? Did she expect to save lives? Lives of some relatives/friends/prisoners/people in general/soldiers/collegues/workers? Relevant how many lives she saved? More than 10? More than 500?

Lives saved = of humans? Of animals? Of birds? Of rats?
Were lives saved right after she decided it or after a while? Minutes?, hours? Days?
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby GalFisk » Fri May 17, 2019 8:13 am

Golf ball pegs? Human lives? Are lives saved because pegs not used by the woman can be used by someone else? Can avoid being produced?
Lives saved from death? If so, by: illness? Violence? Disaster? Execution? Crime? War? Poisoning? Animal attack? Electrocution? Starvation?
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby trebor » Sat May 18, 2019 12:47 pm

Tent pegs?

Are the lives saved because if she had used twelve pegs she would've brought about the deaths herself?
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby peter365 » Mon May 20, 2019 8:25 am

Is an invention relevant? other than the clothes peg of course!
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby WiZ » Sun May 26, 2019 11:30 pm

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Can we assume modern times? yes War times? no(t relevantly)

Pegs = to hang clothes on a line? hook for coat? pin for hanging laundry? Did she use pegs on noses? To hang explosives (socks with bombs inside)? To make a rat trap? Spring of the peg relevant? Pegs for hairs? no to all :P

Did she employ the 12th peg for something else that the other 11? no If so is the use of the 12th peg in a different way that saved lives? no Assuming yes to both questions: did she employ it to unlock a door? Pass messages? To lock something? To pinch someone (e.g. a sniper, a horse...)? Fabricate traps? Bombs? n/a to all Are hospitals relevant? Prisons? no to both
Did she use only 11 pegs because they were really sufficient for what she had to do? yes, she was able to 'make do' with them Did she expect to save lives? yes Lives of some relatives/friends/prisoners/people in general/soldiers/collegues/workers? no to all Relevant how many lives she saved? it might help for context More than 10? yes More than 500? no

Lives saved = of humans? no! Of animals? yes! Of birds? Of rats? no to both
Were lives saved right after she decided it or after a while? this Minutes?, hours? Days? this

GalFisk

Golf ball pegs? Human lives? no to both Are lives saved because pegs not used by the woman can be used by someone else? no Can avoid being produced? no
Lives saved from death? yes If so, by: illness? no Violence? yes Disaster? no Execution? yes Crime? War? Poisoning? Animal attack? Electrocution? Starvation? no to rest

Trebor

Tent pegs? no

Are the lives saved because if she had used twelve pegs she would've brought about the deaths herself? only indirectly and unintentionally

Peter

Is an invention relevant? very broadly speaking, yes - this puzzle isn't themed around the invention or patenting of anything other than the clothes peg of course! FA :P
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby GalFisk » Mon May 27, 2019 4:38 am

Animals: pets? Livestock? Zoo? Wild? Mammals? Reptiles? Birds? Fish? Crustaceans? Mollusks? Amphibians? Insects? Habitat relevant? Habitat destruction? Are the animals bigger than humans? Than cats? Than mice? Are they considered pests? Undesirable? Would they be shot? Trapped? Poisoned? Blown up? WAG: is she designing land mine triggers, and because of a design change a relevant animal is no longer able to trigger the mines? Is she doing something related to hunting? Death? War?
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Postby WiZ » Mon May 27, 2019 4:41 am

Animals: pets? Livestock? Zoo? Wild? no to all Mammals? yes Reptiles? Birds? Fish? Crustaceans? Mollusks? Amphibians? Insects? no to all Habitat relevant? Habitat destruction? no to these Are the animals bigger than humans? Than cats? Than mice? yes to all Are they considered pests? Undesirable? no to both Would they be shot? yes Trapped? Poisoned? Blown up? no to all WAG: is she designing land mine triggers, and because of a design change a relevant animal is no longer able to trigger the mines? no Is she doing something related to hunting? Death? War? no to all
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Postby GalFisk » Mon May 27, 2019 4:53 am

Are they working animals? Beasts of burden? Circus animals? Would they have been shot because they were not useful? They were dangerous? Were they owned? If so, all if them by the same owner? Were they used for experiments? Medical purposes? After their lives were saved, did their circumstances otherwise change?
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Postby Earnest » Mon May 27, 2019 7:35 am

Mammals living in the sea? In forests? In Africa? Are elefants relevant? Pigs? Are the animals hunted? Is ivory/fur/meat recovered by them? Are they an endangered species? Is the woman a scientist? Does she work for Governament? Food involved? Technology?

Was the woman trying to save the animals? With the dozen pegs? Was she able to save them because she used just 11? Had she used 12 would she have been able to save them? Was the woman protesting? Showing images? Posters? Sabotaging traps/ners/guns? (E.g. she was building guns and used less pegs so that guns were not able to shot...yet I do not even know if pegs are parts of guns...)

Did she save the lives by: make rules in order to avoid the animals to be hunted? Physically impeed people to shoot them? Hiding them? Promoting campaigns in favor of the animals? Protect them? Show the benifits of not shooting to them? Building up a place to protect them? Showing that is not beneficial for humans to shoot them? Are these animals eaten by humans?

WAG --> She worked in Ministry. She used the pegs in order to collect documents containing rules to promote hunting of animals. Now...or 11 pegs were not able to stop the documents and they were spread once someone took them, or 11 pegs rather than 12 indicated that the documents were to be thrown.
Ok...maybe too much fantasy in this WAG. But I liked it.
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Postby WiZ » Tue May 28, 2019 5:03 am

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Are they working animals? yesish Beasts of burden? Circus animals? no to both Would they have been shot because they were not useful? yesish They were dangerous? no Were they owned? yes If so, all if them by the same owner? no Were they used for experiments? Medical purposes? no to both After their lives were saved, did their circumstances otherwise change? no

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Mammals living in the sea? no In forests? no In Africa? potentially, but irrelevant Are elefants relevant? No - you might say that they are...

...irrelephant

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Sorry.

Pigs? no Are the animals hunted? not in the context of this puzzle Is ivory/fur/meat recovered by them? no Are they an endangered species? no Is the woman a scientist? no Does she work for Governament? yes Food involved? no Technology? yes

Was the woman trying to save the animals? yes With the dozen pegs? no Was she able to save them because she used just 11? yes Had she used 12 would she have been able to save them? most probably not Was the woman protesting? Showing images? Posters? Sabotaging traps/ners/guns? (E.g. she was building guns and used less pegs so that guns were not able to shot...yet I do not even know if pegs are parts of guns...) no to all

Did she save the lives by: make rules in order to avoid the animals to be hunted? no Physically impeed people to shoot them? no Hiding them? no Promoting campaigns in favor of the animals? no Protect them? no Show the benifits of not shooting to them? no Building up a place to protect them? yope Showing that is not beneficial for humans to shoot them? no Are these animals eaten by humans? no

WAG --> She worked in Ministry. She used the pegs in order to collect documents containing rules to promote hunting of animals. Now...or 11 pegs were not able to stop the documents and they were spread once someone took them, or 11 pegs rather than 12 indicated that the documents were to be thrown.
Ok...maybe too much fantasy in this WAG. But I liked it. That definitely puts the 'W' in 'WAG'. But it is not the solution I had in mind.
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 28, 2019 5:45 am

Do the animals relevantly: eat something? Excrete something? Use a superior sense? A superior skill? Such as sniffing for drugs? Hunting pests? Would they be shot because they were no longer useful? Did she ensure that they stayed useful? Did her peg use affect a rule or law?
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Postby WiZ » Tue May 28, 2019 8:50 pm

Do the animals relevantly: eat something? Excrete something? Use a superior sense? no to these A superior skill? yes Such as sniffing for drugs? Hunting pests? no to these Would they be shot because they were no longer useful? yes Did she ensure that they stayed useful? In the end Did her peg use affect a rule or law? Yes, there was a legal aspect to her use of the pegs
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 28, 2019 9:02 pm

Skill: carrying? Pulling? Uprooting? Lifting? Running? Burrowing? Biting? Guarding? Intimidating? Making noise? Sneaking?
Were the pegs wooden? Plastic? Metal? Relevant? Were they markers? Tools? Toys? Did she have 12 pegs? More? Just 11?
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Postby WiZ » Tue May 28, 2019 10:00 pm

Skill: carrying? Pulling? Uprooting? Lifting? Running? this; no to rest Burrowing? Biting? Guarding? Intimidating? Making noise? Sneaking?
Were the pegs wooden? Plastic? Metal? Depending on the time period, it could have been any one of these Relevant? not really Were they markers? yes Tools? yope Toys? no Did she have 12 pegs? More? this Just 11?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 28, 2019 10:39 pm

Running: racing? Moving stuff? Moving people? Stampeding? Were they race horses? Gambling relevant? Did they become useless because a law changed? Did using 11 pegs get around a law? Or rule?
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Postby WiZ » Tue May 28, 2019 11:19 pm

Running: racing? yes Moving stuff? Moving people? Stampeding? no to these Were they race horses? yes Gambling relevant? yes, by association Did they become useless because a law changed? no Did using 11 pegs get around a law? Or rule? more a 'rule' than a law, although there is a legal basis for it.
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Postby Earnest » Wed May 29, 2019 7:31 am

..irrelephant ahahahahahhaah

Peg ponies relevant?
Did she organize races? Are numbers assigned to horses relevant? Are pegs used to hang on something?

Pegs = an invented word? An acronym for something? Beverages? Flags? Tools for another sport? For racing? Ascot relevant? The Queen? Do someone relevantly count the number of pegs?

Horses no more useful = they were too old? They broke a leg? They were no more able to run? Relevant?
Were the horses used for something else? E.g. for guards/military? For transporting something? Simply put in stables? Used by children to have fun? In parades? As veterans? As pets?

Did she use the pegs on herself? She drew the attention on her and made a speech? Did someone relevantly noticed that 11 pegs were used instead of 12? Were 12 pegs the rule? Did she exploit pegs in the context of racing? E.g. 12 = number of horses usually making a race? (Maybe she redefined the rules so that only 11 horses were admitted to race); 12 = number of races an horse can make? Number of days? A symbol? Is 12 the usual number of pegs being exploited?
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Postby WiZ » Thu May 30, 2019 4:01 am

Peg ponies relevant? no
Did she organize races? Are numbers assigned to horses relevant? Are pegs used to hang on something? no to all

Pegs = an invented word? An acronym for something? Beverages? Flags? Tools for another sport? For racing? no to all Ascot relevant? no The Queen? no Do someone relevantly count the number of pegs? no

Horses no more useful = they were too old? no They broke a leg? yes (this is one possibility) They were no more able to run? yes Relevant? yes
Were the horses used for something else? no E.g. for guards/military? For transporting something? Simply put in stables? Used by children to have fun? In parades? As veterans? As pets? n/a to all

Did she use the pegs on herself? no She drew the attention on her and made a speech? no Did someone relevantly noticed that 11 pegs were used instead of 12? yes Were 12 pegs the rule? under her precise circumstances, yes Did she exploit pegs in the context of racing? no E.g. 12 = number of horses usually making a race? no (Maybe she redefined the rules so that only 11 horses were admitted to race); no 12 = number of races an horse can make? Number of days? A symbol? no to all Is 12 the usual number of pegs being exploited? There is no 'normal', really - but under her exact circumstances, 12 would have been deemed appropriate
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Postby Earnest » Thu May 30, 2019 7:05 am

Could the puzzle still work with racing dogs for instance? Did she take part at the race relevantly? Did she bring the pegs at the race? Are the pegs of different colors relevantly? Of different dimensions? If so, relevant which peg she excluded? Relevant its color/dimension? Books relevant?

To be sure...are the pegs real? Digital? Is internet/PC relevant? Facebook? Google maps? Google calendar?

under her exact circumstances, 12 would have been deemed appropriate --> by her boss? By collegues? By anyone? Is 12 a relevant number? Indicating people? Places? Countries/cities on a map? Something about her? Religion relevant? Number of months? Calendar relevant?

Appropriate for: marking something relevant? Do they form a relevant shape if put all together? Letters? Geometrical figure? Others?
Are pegs usually employed for what she needed to do with them? Or maybe also other markers' types? She concluded that she needed only 11 pegs because the 12th was more? It could be simoly deduced where/how the 12th could have been used? Did she use the pegs for scheduling something? For planning? In a agenda? As notes? Notifications?

Were the horses saved all together? Were all the horses of the country saved? Only a few? Few that were going to be killed? Did she planned to save that specific ones? Or they were randomly saved? Was a rule changed permanently? Did she work for someone relevant? Did she plan his/her official trips? Were 12 tapes planned? Is fashion relevant? Horse skin? Horse meat?
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Postby WiZ » Fri May 31, 2019 4:06 am

Could the puzzle still work with racing dogs for instance? no Did she take part at the race relevantly? no Did she bring the pegs at the race? no Are the pegs of different colors relevantly? no Of different dimensions? they are, but this isn't relevant to the solutionIf so, relevant which peg she excluded? no (in terms of dimensions) Relevant its color/dimension? no Books relevant? no

To be sure...are the pegs real? yes Digital? and yes Is internet yesish /PC relevant? yes Facebook? Google maps? Google calendar? no to all

under her exact circumstances, 12 would have been deemed appropriate --> by her boss? By collegues? By anyone? They would have supported the decision to use 12, but not made the decision Is 12 a relevant number? not in and of itself, no Indicating people? Places? Countries/cities on a map? Something about her? Religion relevant? Number of months? Calendar relevant? n/a to all

Appropriate for: marking something relevant? yes! Do they form a relevant shape if put all together? yes Letters? no Geometrical figure? yesish, FA lurking Others? no
Are pegs usually employed for what she needed to do with them? yes Or maybe also other markers' types? but also yes She concluded that she needed only 11 pegs because the 12th was more? no It could be simoly deduced where this/how yesish the 12th could have been used? yes! Did she use the pegs for scheduling something? no For planning? define 'planning' In a agenda? As notes? no to both Notifications? yope

Were the horses saved all together? not all at once Were all the horses of the country saved? no Only a few? yes Few that were going to be killed? yes Did she planned to save that specific ones? no Or they were randomly saved? yes Was a rule changed permanently? no Did she work for someone relevant? not a relevant person, no Did she plan his/her official trips? Were 12 tapes planned? n/a to these Is fashion relevant? Horse skin? Horse meat? no to all
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Postby Earnest » Fri May 31, 2019 8:49 am

Are social media relevant? Did the pegs mark pictures? Are "likes" relevant? Are competitions on the internet relevant? PC relevant = was she in charge of taking notes? Making videos? Publish online? Surveillance relevant? Judge? Make sure that rules are respected? If so rules regarding the race? Security? Horses?
Were the peg/marks put all together? From time to time when something relevant happens? At the end of a race? Beforr a race? During a race? For gambling?
Did she save the horses through: a document? A petition? By making public that the horses were going to be killed?

Were the pegs related to horses? Horses competitions? Gambling? Were there spaces/places where the pegs were supposed to be put? Were the pegs put on a figure? Had the pegs numbers on them? Did the pegs mark: distances? Miles? Locations? Money? Drugs? Food? Links? Means of transportation? Were the markers put in the middle of a video (e.g. in youtube)? Is advertising relevant? Did the markers interrupt a song/video? Take snapshots in relevant points? Allow to make an automatic action?

Could anyone put the pegs? Click on them? Move them to mark something else? Would the 12th fill a relevant space left blank? Does the absence of the 12th peg reveal something relevant? Words? Pictures? Links? Others?
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Postby WiZ » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:20 pm

Are social media relevant? Did the pegs mark pictures? Are "likes" relevant? Are competitions on the internet relevant? no to all PC relevant = was she in charge of taking notes? yes, but this is far from the full extent of what she does She does take notes, but Making videos? Publish online? no to these Surveillance relevant? not 'surveillance, but ORT Judge? no Make sure that rules are respected? Part of what she did involved making sure that rules are respected If so rules regarding the race? Security? Horses? but not about any of these
Were the peg/marks put all together? at the same time, yes From time to time when something relevant happens? no At the end of a race? Beforr a race? During a race? For gambling? no to all
Did she save the horses through: a document? yes A petition? By making public that the horses were going to be killed? no to both

Were the pegs related to horses? for the most part, the pegs have nothing to do with horses Horses competitions? Gambling? no to all, in the main Were there spaces/places where the pegs were supposed to be put? yes! Were the pegs put on a figure? no Had the pegs numbers on them? the physical pegs did not, but the document ascribed numbers to the pegs Did the pegs mark: distances? yes Miles? no Locations? yes Money? Drugs? Food? no to all Links? yes Means of transportation? not per se, but they often relate to means of transportation Were the markers put in the middle of a video (e.g. in youtube)? no Is advertising relevant? no Did the markers interrupt a song/video? Take snapshots in relevant points? Allow to make an automatic action? no to all

Could anyone put the pegs? no Click on them? no (although most people could through a third party) Move them to mark something else? no Would the 12th fill a relevant space left blank? yes Does the absence of the 12th peg reveal something relevant? no Words? Pictures? Links? Others? n/a to all
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Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:14 am

Do the pegs refer to dangerous places? To places where the races take place? Where races could potentially take place? Is geology repevant? Geographical position? Accidental fields? Do pegs marklocations to avoid? To check? To prepare for races? Are videos relevant? Analyises?

Is risk avoidance relevant? Avoiding long distances? Are the races long races? Short ones? Relevant? Did they relevantly have tapes? Are more horses explouted ib the same race?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:58 pm

Since "irrelephant" is my second-favorite joke, I have to participate...

Were the pegs used by her to demonstrate something? To support a claim? As part of an experiment? Part of a demonstration?
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby WiZ » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:26 pm

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Do the pegs refer to dangerous places? not relevantly To places where the races take place? yes (in this case) Where races could potentially take place? yes (again, in this case) Is geology repevant? somewhat Geographical position? very! Accidental fields? I'm not sure what this means Do pegs mark locations to avoid? no To check? yes, by certain specific people To prepare for races? no Are videos relevant? no Analyises? This is a pretty broad umbrella - I'll say noish

Is risk avoidance relevant? yes, this is a factor Avoiding long distances? yope Are the races long races? Short ones? Relevant? irrelevant Did they relevantly have tapes? no Are more horses explouted ib the same race? probably not, but it would depend on the circumstances of the race

CoffeeBean

Since "irrelephant" is my second-favorite joke, I have to participate...

Well, if Shakespeare's second-favourite bed was good enough for Anne Hathaway, your second-favourite joke is good enough for me!

Were the pegs used by her to demonstrate something? To support a claim? As part of an experiment? Part of a demonstration? no to all
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:43 pm

Ok that's great to hear. I've heard it said that Shakespeare would only tell jokes while standing in line to be served a fruity ade drink, for if there was no punch line he considered it not worth his while.

Are the pegs being put into something? Inserted? Used to mark something?
Has the woman discovered a way to prevent injury to horses?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:10 pm

Ok that's great to hear. I've heard it said that Shakespeare would only tell jokes while standing in line to be served a fruity ade drink, for if there was no punch line he considered it not worth his while.

He actually wrote one of his comedies while waiting in line at the Burgher Kynge for a free refill of fruity ade. The company had started a campaign of encouraging customers to adjust their order to suit their taste, and he was inspired by the slogan 'As you like it'.

Are the pegs being put into something? yes Inserted? yes Used to mark something? yes
Has the woman discovered a way to prevent injury to horses? yes, in this instance
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Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:25 pm

Is difficulty of the races relevant? Is the more the pegs the more the races? The more the pegs the more the geographical positions to control? Are the geographical positions decided randomly? Decided by her through the pegs? Are rhese the only geographical position marked? Are the geographical positions relevantly near one to the other? Checking the presence of holes relevant?
(To be sure are we talking about pure horse races right? And not for instance of caravan races or other races where horses are meant to transport something, e.g. chariors. )

Geographical position = mountain? City? Where it is very hot? Very cold? Where horses could injure more often and probably? Places that are hard to reach? Are places met to reach the relevant positions relevant?
Google maps relevant?

Did she use the 12th peg to mark another place? To make an additional stop for horses? To not give the possibility to kill horses? To give the possibility to cure injured horses? To let them recover?
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Postby WiZ » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:42 pm

Is difficulty of the races relevant? no Is the more the pegs the more the races? no The more the pegs the more the geographical positions to control? There is a positive correlation between the number of pegs and the size/complexity of the geographic area Are the geographical positions decided randomly? no Decided by her through the pegs? yes! (among other methods) Are rhese the only geographical position marked? I don't want to get into too much technical detail here - the pegs placed by the woman form the majority of the marked geographic positions Are the geographical positions relevantly near one to the other? more or less Checking the presence of holes relevant? no
(To be sure are we talking about pure horse races right? And not for instance of caravan races or other races where horses are meant to transport something, e.g. chariors. ) This situation could apply equally to horse racing or harness racing

Geographical position = mountain? no City? somewhere in a city, yes Where it is very hot? Very cold? irrel to both Where horses could injure more often and probably? No, the positions would have been chosen to minimise risk to horses, among other things Places that are hard to reach? no Are places met to reach the relevant positions relevant? no
Google maps relevant?

Did she use the 12th peg to mark another place? She did not use the 12th peg at all, but she would have used it to mark another place To make an additional stop for horses? To not give the possibility to kill horses? To give the possibility to cure injured horses? To let them recover? no to these
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby Earnest » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:48 am

Could more pegs be used in the same place? Is there a relevant scale of size/complexity measured in pegs (e.g. from 1 to 4 pegs...)? Measured through other means? Is it relevant to establish the criterion through which complexity is measured (e.g. slope of the path...)?
Is there an order to follow: e.g. first place A, second place B,...?
To be sure: are we talking about geographical places where races are made? So if she marks place A with 3 pegs and place B with 2 it means that the first race is made in place A which is more difficult than the race made in place B? If so, is a certain criterion of complexity also satisfied: from the more complex place to the less complex? Are less than 12 places marked with pegs? 11? 12?

Are the pegs put all in once slot? Relevantly changed from time to time? Modified? Replaced? If so, did she decide not to use the 12th peg from the beginning or maybe she took the decision later on? In avoiding to use the 12th peg: she a avoided a degree of complexity? An additional race for horses? Were the partecipants aware of that? Did participants expect the 12th peg to be present? If so, in a relevant geographical place? Are the races relevantly made yearly? Each month? Would the 12th peg have marked: a geographical place in the middle between other two? A geographical place where races take place in a relevant part of the year? A geographical place where the last race was supposed to take place?

Did she put something else in place of the 12th peg? Did she know that people expect the 12th peg to be present? If so, did she exploit this fact to save horses? Protest? Did she expect competitors to protest? To ask the reason? Did people relevantly bought tickets in advance? Gamblers placed bets in advance? Financial gains resused relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:41 pm

Yes it's little-known that Shakespeare often wrote his plays while sitting at a "Food Promptly" establishment (it was not called "Fast Food" at the time). Rumor has it that, originally, when Juliet awakens and finds Romeo dead she spoke the line, "Oh, have it your way!" before killing herself. Thanks to an influential friend, Shakespeare changed it before the final version was completed.

Were the pegs used to mark places where upcoming horse races would be held? Places that were being considered for future races? Places where races had been held in the past?
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby WiZ » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:54 am

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Could more pegs be used in the same place? yes Is there a relevant scale of size/complexity measured in pegs (e.g. from 1 to 4 pegs...)? not strictly in pegs Measured through other means? yes (although pegs are usually used) Is it relevant to establish the criterion through which complexity is measured (e.g. slope of the path...)? in some circumstances, yes, but this is not relevant to the scenario here
Is there an order to follow: e.g. first place A, second place B,...?
To be sure: are we talking about geographical places where races are made? yes So if she marks place A with 3 pegs and place B with 2 it means that the first race is made in place A which is more difficult than the race made in place B? no, this is not the thinking If so, is a certain criterion of complexity also satisfied: from the more complex place to the less complex? n/a Are less than 12 places marked with pegs? at the time she puts the pegs in the ground, yes 11? yes 12? no

Are the pegs put all in once slot? They are all put in at roughly the same time, in a similar location Relevantly changed from time to time? it is possible that they eventually will be Modified? less likely Replaced? this is also possible If so, did she decide not to use the 12th peg from the beginning or maybe she took the decision later on? she set out to use the 12th peg, but the decision not to place it was made before she had completed her initial mission/operation In avoiding to use the 12th peg: she a avoided a degree of complexity? quite the opposite, she brought an element of complexity in An additional race for horses? no Were the partecipants aware of that? no Did participants expect the 12th peg to be present? no (and would probably be shocked if they had discovered it was present) If so, in a relevant geographical place? the intended placement of the 12th peg is relevant Are the races relevantly made yearly? Each month? irrel to both Would the 12th peg have marked: a geographical place in the middle between other two? Yes - the peg would mark a relevant point of reference between two other points A geographical place where races take place in a relevant part of the year? A geographical place where the last race was supposed to take place? no to both

Did she put something else in place of the 12th peg? no Did she know that people expect the 12th peg to be present? no (aside from a very select few) If so, did she exploit this fact to save horses? the overall idea of not using the 12th peg was to save/protect horses, yes Protest? no Did she expect competitors to protest? no To ask the reason? yes, she knew that the 'select few' would demand an explanation Did people relevantly bought tickets in advance? no Gamblers placed bets in advance? Financial gains resused relevant? all irrelevant

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Yes it's little-known that Shakespeare often wrote his plays while sitting at a "Food Promptly" establishment (it was not called "Fast Food" at the time). Rumor has it that, originally, when Juliet awakens and finds Romeo dead she spoke the line, "Oh, have it your way!" before killing herself. Thanks to an influential friend, Shakespeare changed it before the final version was completed.

This was one of the great early PR exercises. To reinforce the reputation of this particular King, Shakespeare went on to apply his skills in casting a series of other kings in a particularly bad light...

Were the pegs used to mark places where upcoming horse races would be held? yes Places that were being considered for future races? yes Places where races had been held in the past? no

I'm conscious that there may be a little confusion about scale. Pegs are being used to mark 'places', as in geographical locations, and these places are to do with where horse races to be held in the future. What's her job?
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby peter365 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:51 am

Is the nature of the terrain the horse races are to be run on relevant? Turf ? Allweather surface? a beach (Ireland has one race meeting at Laytown that takes place on a beach so it's tide dependent).
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:46 pm

Are the pegs put on the basis of: past races? Resistance of horses? Characheristics of horses? Disqualification of participants? Number of races to be done? Number of races to be done after that something happen? Maximum number of races that the same horse can run?

Had the 12th peg been put, would an horse have run more races? More difficult races? Same amount of races?, one race more with respect to 11 pegs
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby trebor » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:47 pm

The pegs are real and digital, correct? Does this mean some of the pegs are tangible and some are digital? That they all are tangible and have a digital component? Does she physically touch the pegs as part of putting them in their locations?

Does she work in construction? Zoning? Real estate? Animal welfare? Does she work for the horse race industry? Does her work involve checking something in the soil? Marking power lines? Checking for activity under the ground?
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby WiZ » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:59 pm

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Is the nature of the terrain the horse races are to be run on relevant? no (although the type of terrain would also have an influence on the use and number of pegs, but this is not the issue here) Turf ? Allweather surface? a beach n/a to all (Ireland has one race meeting at Laytown that takes place on a beach so it's tide dependent). Interesting. Do the jockeys switch to seahorses at high tide?

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Are the pegs put on the basis of: past races? Resistance of horses? Characheristics of horses? Disqualification of participants? Number of races to be done? Number of races to be done after that something happen? Maximum number of races that the same horse can run?

For all but one of the pegs, this is all irrelevant. For the 12th peg, it was not placed on the basis of 'Resistance of horses'-ish

Had the 12th peg been put, would an horse have run more races? no More difficult races? potentially yes Same amount of races?, most likely yes one race more with respect to 11 pegs no

Trebor

The pegs are real and digital, correct? Correct Does this mean some of the pegs are tangible and some are digital? no (speaking in terms of the 12 that she placed) That they all are tangible and have a digital component? correct Does she physically touch the pegs as part of putting them in their locations? Yes, she puts them in the ground herself

Does she work in construction? indirectly Zoning? indirectly, with the cause and effect reversed from the previous answer Real estate? indirectly, with the same cause and effect as 'construction' Animal welfare? Does she work for the horse race industry? no to both

Does her work involve checking something in the soil? not in a rigorous, scientific, sample-collection sort of way, but she might make a note of broad soil conditions

Marking power lines? She may make a note of the positions of power lines

Checking for activity under the ground? Again, a nuanced answer - she would routinely check for evidence of certain activity under the ground, but not subject the results of the check to great scientific scrutiny
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby GalFisk » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:40 am

Is she a surveyor? Is she marking out a race track? A curve? Would 12 pegs mean more injuries to horses? More disqualifications? More horses unable to race? Does she know, when deciding to use 11 pegs, that it will save the lives of horses?
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby WiZ » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:05 am

Is she a surveyor? yes! Is she marking out a race track? yes! A curve? not relevantly Would 12 pegs mean more injuries to horses? yes! More disqualifications? perhaps; less relevantly, though More horses unable to race? yes (due to injuries) Does she know, when deciding to use 11 pegs, that it will save the lives of horses? yes

Brilliant round of questions. Only one thing left to establish - how could the twelfth peg lead to injuries for horses? And how did she get around the requirement to use it?
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby Earnest » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:33 am

Is 12 a standard number for her job? Is she testing something? Difficulty of the race? Number of obstacles/injuries an horse can bear before leaving a race? Is 12 the number of horses that could participate to a race? If so, is the race considered "crowded" (accidents could happen between horses...)? Did the pegs mark critical parts of the track?
Does the 12th peg avoid injuries due to: crowd of horses in the same narrow place? Bumpy ground due to many hoofs' traces? More laps to complete? Giving the information of "last lap" ehich is known to be the more "violent" one?

Are the pegs put at a relevant distance one to the other? If so from the beginning of the race track to the end?Would the 12th peg be put at the end of the race track? Or would it have been somewhere in between other pegs? Do the pegs have sensors? Did the pegs "impose" a certain path to be followed by horses (participants)?
Without the 12th peg, would the race end up before? Would she be able to recognize if horses were capable to end up the race? Did she put something relevant on the 11th peg? Did she simply put the 11th peg more distant to the others? Is the number of turns of the race relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby trebor » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:30 pm

Just in case Earnest hasn't hit it, are hurdles relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby WiZ » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:23 am

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Is 12 a standard number for her job? Given all the parameters of the job, 12 would be the expected number Is she testing something? no Difficulty of the race? Number of obstacles/injuries an horse can bear before leaving a race? n/a to these Is 12 the number of horses that could participate to a race? no If so, is the race considered "crowded" (accidents could happen between horses...)? no Did the pegs mark critical parts yes of the track? no
Does the 12th peg avoid injuries FA - the absence of the 12th peg avoids injuries due to: crowd of horses in the same narrow place? no Bumpy ground yesish; no to rest due to many hoofs' traces? More laps to complete? Giving the information of "last lap" ehich is known to be the more "violent" one?

Are the pegs put at a relevant distance one to the other? yes, this is a consideration If so from the beginning of the race track to the end? no Would the 12th peg be put at the end of the race track? no Or would it have been somewhere in between other pegs? yes, the connections between the pegs is relevant Do the pegs have sensors? no Did the pegs "impose" a certain path to be followed by horses (participants)? no
Without the 12th peg, would the race end up before? the race would not be affected by the absence of the 12th peg, other than the horse safety factor Would she be able to recognize if horses were capable to end up the race? no Did she put something relevant on the 11th peg? no Did she simply put the 11th peg more distant to the others? no, the positioning of the other pegs was unchanged Is the number of turns of the race relevant? no

Trebor

Just in case Earnest hasn't hit it, are hurdles relevant? no - the nature of the race would not affect how she placed the pegs, with the possible exception of steeplechasing,
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:49 am

Does the absence of the peg change where the track goes? Would the 12th peg lead to more injuries on any track? Just this one? Ground conditions relevant? Holes in the ground? Moles? Roots?
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby WiZ » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:54 am

Does the absence of the peg change where the track goes? no Would the 12th peg lead to more injuries on any track? Just this one? just this one Ground conditions relevant? yes Holes in the ground? yes, potentially Moles? Roots? no to both
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner?

Postby WiZ » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:01 pm

I'm going to do the injured horse thing and shoot this one in the head.

***** SPOILER *****

She was a cadastral surveyor, charged with drawing up the plan for a racecourse. To get a plan of the course that met the appropriate standards would involve placing a peg in the middle of the boundaries, but that would fall into the path of the racecourse. Pegs can be disturbed for a variety of reasons, and it would be possible for a horse to trip on the peg and lose a race/get injured, and thus be humanely put down. She was able to get dispensation from the Surveyor-General to map the racecourse without that peg.


I think you all got most of the material facts, so well done on your good questions, and thank you all for playing.
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner? [PASSED THE POST]

Postby biograd » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:25 pm

I don't get why she wouldn't remove all the pegs after the surveying was done and the racetrack built but before it was first used for races, so that there would be no chance of horses tripping over them anyway.
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Re: [WiZ] One-liner? [PASSED THE POST]

Postby WiZ » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:52 am

Admittedly, I don't know the rules for cadastral surveying in other countries, but the plan she submitted would have had to acknowledge the peg and codify it appropriately (as a real-life, tactile, instated peg), as the plan would not be acceptable otherwise. Every subsequent surveyor dealing with the plan as a point of reference (and this would happen a lot) would have to be aware that the peg could no longer be found, and not all of them would be made aware of why.

There's a potential workaround in that the peg could be removed and the racecourse immediately re-surveyed, with the old marking being adopted and/or measured to, but future surveyors would still wonder why there were two underlying plans close in succession and get tripped over the reasoning. Also, I'm not sure that this is allowed.
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