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[CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed May 22, 2019 4:41 pm

When Nelson learns that Lars has eaten eggs for dinner, he becomes angry and threatens to call the police. Why?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby Balin » Wed May 22, 2019 5:13 pm

Angry: at Lars? At himself? At someone else? At more than one person?
Call the police: on Lars? On himself? On someone else? On more than one person?
Has a crime been committed? Does Nelson think a crime has been committed? Does he know a crime has been committed?
Did Nelson learn this on the same day Lars at the eggs? The next day? During the next week? Month? Year?
Did Lars eat the eggs at home? At Nelson's home? At a restaurant? In a public place? Inside? Outside?
Does Nelson raise chickens? Does Lars? Does any relevant person?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed May 22, 2019 6:44 pm

Angry: at Lars? Yes At himself? There may be a small degree of this, yes At someone else? Yes At more than one person? Eventually, yes
Call the police: on Lars? No On himself? No On someone else? Yes On more than one person? Indirectly, yes
Has a crime been committed? Not really, a very minor infraction is about the most it would be considered
Does Nelson think a crime has been committed? Yes! Does he know a crime has been committed? No
Did Nelson learn this on the same day Lars ate the eggs? FA, you'll have to ask this another way
The next day? During the next week? Month? Year? The best answer (for now) is a "yes" that Nelson learns that eggs were eaten on the same day as when he thinks a crime is being committed
Did Lars eat the eggs at home? At Nelson's home? At a restaurant? In a public place? Inside? Outside? No to all
Does Nelson raise chickens? Does Lars? Does any relevant person? No to all
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby Earnest » Thu May 23, 2019 7:01 am

Crime = theft? Murder? Accident (e.g. L was eaten eggs while driving?)? Disorderly conduct? (E.g. L was protesting and throwed eggs on N's car?)

Did N know specjfically that L was eating eggs for dinner? Just that he had cooked eggs eith him?
Nelson and Lars = HAMs? Relevant how N learned that L had eaten the eggs? Someone told him? He smelled it? Do N or L have chicken? Did L buy eggs at supermarket?, relevant? Eggs = easter eggs? Normal eggs? Chicken eggs? Relevant how the eggs were cooked? Relevant that he ate them for dinner ,(not for lunch or breakfast for instance)? Was L supposed to eat eggs for dinner? To eat something else? To not eat? Allergies relevant?

Do N and L know each other? Relationship: relatives? Boss and employee? Neighbors? Friends? Collegues (e.g. the eggs were made to be served to someone else)? Customer and worker? Doctor and patient? Others?




WAG --> N works as a waiter for a very rich person in an airplane. The person ordered very expensive eggs but his collegue, thinking that the eggs were to be put in a bin, gave them to the dog of the rich person, L .
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu May 23, 2019 2:41 pm

Crime = theft? Murder? Accident (e.g. L was eaten eggs while driving?)? Disorderly conduct? This
(E.g. L was protesting and throwed eggs on N's car?) Nothing like this, no

Did N know specifically that L was eating eggs for dinner? Yes, he was told this
Just that he had cooked eggs with him? No
Nelson and Lars = HAMs? Nelson is HAM, Lars is not Relevant how N learned that L had eaten the eggs? Yes Someone told him? Yes He smelled it? No Do N or L have chicken? No Did L buy eggs at supermarket? No relevant? Something about the eggs is relevant, yes
Eggs = easter eggs? Normal eggs? Chicken eggs? Nelson assumes this, yes Relevant how the eggs were cooked? No, and FA Relevant that he ate them for dinner ,(not for lunch or breakfast for instance)? Not really
Was L supposed to eat eggs for dinner? To eat something else? To not eat? None of this is relevant and partial FA
Allergies relevant? No

Do N and L know each other? No Relationship: relatives? Boss and employee? Neighbors? Friends? Collegues (e.g. the eggs were made to be served to someone else)? Customer and worker? Doctor and patient? Others? They would be considered complete strangers


WAG --> N works as a waiter for a very rich person in an airplane. The person ordered very expensive eggs but his collegue, thinking that the eggs were to be put in a bin, gave them to the dog of the rich person, L . Good guess but not correct
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby GalFisk » Thu May 23, 2019 3:09 pm

Relevant where the eggs came from? Where Nelson thought they came from? How Lars got the eggs? How Nelson thinks Lars got them? Did Lars intend for Nelson to get angry? Did Lars know that if Nelson knew he'd eaten eggs, he'd get angry?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu May 23, 2019 3:56 pm

Relevant where the eggs came from? In a manner of speaking, yes Where Nelson thought they came from? Yes How Lars got the eggs? Not so much this... How Nelson thinks Lars got them? ...but this, yes.
Did Lars intend for Nelson to get angry? No, not Lars.
Did Lars know that if Nelson knew he'd eaten eggs, he'd get angry? Good question - Lars did not know this (for a relevant reason), but it was known that the knowledge of Lars eating eggs would contribute to Nelson's anger
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby GalFisk » Thu May 23, 2019 4:09 pm

Did the person who told Nelson about the egg-eating want Nelson to get angry? Did Nelson think the eggs were stolen? The egg-layers were stolen? Something else was stolen? Did Lars decide what he'd have for breakfast? Did someone else? If someone had lied to Nelson about Lars eating eggs, would Nelson believe it? Would Nelson be angry?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu May 23, 2019 4:36 pm

Did the person who told Nelson about the egg-eating want Nelson to get angry? YES, very much so
Did Nelson think the eggs were stolen? The egg-layers were stolen? No to this
Something else was stolen? No, not stolen but explore this
Did Lars decide what he'd have for breakfast? Irrelevant Did someone else? Irrelevant
If someone had lied to Nelson about Lars eating eggs, would Nelson believe it? YES, someone DID lie to Nelson about Lars eating eggs and Nelson DID believe it, but there is more to the story than this (this clears up part of the FA) Would Nelson be angry? He is angry partly because of the lie that Lars ate eggs, but again, there is more to the story than this...
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby Earnest » Thu May 23, 2019 6:13 pm

Relevant Nelson's job? Politician? Farmer? Involved in food industry? Entertainment? Others?

Is the lie about: the fact that L was eating? The fact that he was eating eggs? A certain type of eggs? A certain amount of eggs?
Maybe N runs a restaurant and he believed that L did not pay the eggs?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu May 23, 2019 6:49 pm

Relevant Nelson's job? Yes Politician? Farmer? Involved in food industry? Entertainment? Others? Something else

Is the lie about: the fact that L was eating? The fact that he was eating eggs? A certain type of eggs? A certain amount of eggs? It was a lie that Lars was eating eggs, it could have been any type but Nelson would have known that it was meant to be chicken eggs
Maybe N runs a restaurant and he believed that L did not pay the eggs? No
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby GalFisk » Thu May 23, 2019 8:06 pm

Did Nelson want Lars to not eat eggs? Did Nelson think Lars could not get eggs by honest means? Was Nelson trying to keep Lars from eating eggs? Could anyone besides Lars anger Nelson by eating eggs? Could Lars anger Nelson by eating anything other than eggs? Does the liar want Nelson to he angry because: he wanted bad things for Lars? Bad things for Nelson? Good things for Lars? Does Nelson have a relevant position of power?
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Postby Earnest » Thu May 23, 2019 8:11 pm

N's job: music involved? (Lyrics of songs relevant?) Priest? Religion relevant? Technology relevant? Social media?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu May 23, 2019 8:48 pm

Did Nelson want Lars to not eat eggs? The idea of Lars simply eating eggs does not matter to Nelson
Did Nelson think Lars could not get eggs by honest means? No, not relevant
Was Nelson trying to keep Lars from eating eggs? Not from eating them, no
Could anyone besides Lars anger Nelson by eating eggs? Yes, and they did, but not by just eating eggs, no
Could Lars anger Nelson by eating anything other than eggs? Yes, and he did
Does the liar want Nelson to he angry because: he wanted bad things for Lars? No, not possible
Bad things for Nelson? In a way, yes Good things for Lars? No, not possible
Does Nelson have a relevant position YES of power? But no, not of power

N's job: music involved? (Lyrics of songs relevant?) Priest? Religion relevant? Technology relevant? No to all
Social media? Not exactly but explore
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby Balin » Thu May 23, 2019 9:32 pm

Did the liar tell Nelson verbally? Face to face? Over the phone?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby CoffeeBean » Thu May 23, 2019 9:54 pm

Did the liar tell Nelson verbally? Face to face? Over the phone? This, in one certain way
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby GalFisk » Fri May 24, 2019 3:23 am

Did Nelson want Lars to: not purchase eggs? Not raise chickens? Not cook? Not do something specific? Is Lars a member of a relevant group? Is Nelson an employee? Boss? Government official? Does this happen in modern times? In western society? Relevant?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby LemonCurry » Fri May 24, 2019 7:15 am

Is Lars a child? A teenager? A pet? Another animal? A virtual character?
Was Lars not supposed to be in the place where he allegedly got the eggs?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby Earnest » Fri May 24, 2019 8:25 am

Did the liar tell just to N that L was eating eggs? Or he made it publish? (E.g. instagram story)

Is N responsible for L? Is N the coach of L? Culture/religion relevant? Vegan? Vegan chefs?

Was the lie in order N to come? To tell someone else that L was eating eggs? In order N to do something relevant? Relevant position = responsibilities? Relation with L relevant? With the liar?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri May 24, 2019 2:12 pm

Did Nelson want Lars to: not purchase eggs? He didn't care about this part of it Not raise chickens? Chickens are not relevant Not cook? Not relevant Not do something specific? Yes-ish
Is Lars a member of a relevant group? No Is Nelson an employee? Boss? Government official? None of these
Does this happen in modern times? In western society? Relevant? Yes, it's in modern day in the US. The events in this puzzle actually happened about 5 years ago.

Is Lars a child? Nelson is told this, yes, but see below A teenager? No, Nelson is told that he's younger than this A pet? Another animal? A virtual character? This is closest, the same principle applies
Was Lars not supposed to be in the place where he allegedly got the eggs? No, if he'd actually been in that place then it would not have been wrong or troublesome to anyone including Nelson.

Did the liar tell just to N that L was eating eggs? At first, yes, but then... Or he made it publish? (E.g. instagram story) ...he later did this.

Is N responsible for L? No Is N the coach of L? No Culture/religion relevant? Vegan? Vegan chefs? No to all of these

Was the lie in order N to come? Yes, if I am understanding this question correctly but you may want to ask this another way To tell someone else that L was eating eggs? Yes but this is only part of what Nelson was told
In order N to do something relevant? Yes Relevant position = responsibilities? Nelson is responsible for something relevant, yes Relation with L relevant? No With the liar? Yes
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Postby GalFisk » Fri May 24, 2019 2:28 pm

Is Nelson responsible for the liar? Is the liar H? A? M? If Nelson knew the egg-eating was a lie, would he be angry at all? Angry with the liar? With himself? Someone else?
Because he believes in the egg-eating, is Nelson angry with: the liar? With himself? Someone else?
Relevant how Nelson thinks the liar got to know about the egg-eating?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby LemonCurry » Fri May 24, 2019 2:30 pm

Does Lars not exist at all?
Has Nelson been told of Lars before?
Does Nelson know who really ate the eggs?
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Postby Earnest » Fri May 24, 2019 2:48 pm

Relation with the liar: friends? Collegues? Relatives? Boss and employee? Others?

Did the liar take a picture of L? Did he take it from the internet? Did someone else give it to him? Did he falsify the picture?

Was N responsible for something related to: the liar? Food? Provisions? Organization of events? Stocks? Finance? Health?

Relevant where L was eating the eggs? How? On a dish? Were the eggs cooked? Was L allowed to eat the eggs? Did he break some rule in eating them?

Was N primarly angry to L? The liar? Both? Had N gone to L, would he try to stop L eating eggs? Was L in a forbidden place eating eggs?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby CoffeeBean » Fri May 24, 2019 3:26 pm

Is Nelson responsible for the liar? No Is the liar H? A? M? Yes
If Nelson knew the egg-eating was a lie, would he be angry at all? Not about the egg-eating, no Angry with the liar? Not if the lie had just been about eating eggs, no With himself? Someone else? Yes but not over the course of the entire event...
Because he believes in the egg-eating, is Nelson angry with: the liar? With himself? Someone else? Eventually with all of these, but not just because of just egg eating
Relevant how Nelson thinks the liar got to know about the egg-eating? Yes

Does Lars not exist at all? NO, he doesn't! Huge FA cleared up.
Has Nelson been told of Lars before? No
Does Nelson know who really ate the eggs? FA (because of what has just been discovered about Lars)

Relation with the liar: friends? Collegues? Relatives? Boss and employee? Others? Nelson and the liar have never met and Nelson has no idea who the liar is, but there is a relevant part of their connection

Did the liar take a picture of L? No Did he take it from the internet? Did someone else give it to him? N/R Did he falsify Yes, but not...the picture?...this.

Was N responsible for something related to: the liar? Yes Food? Provisions? No Organization of events? Somewhat OTRT, but not "events" exactly Stocks? Finance? Health? No to these

Relevant where L was eating the eggs? Yes it is very relevant where Nelson thought Lars was eating eggs (but keep in mind that Lars does not actually exist) How? Not how he was eating them, no On a dish? Nelson assumes this, yes, but also has to make another assumption Were the eggs cooked? Nelson assumes this based on what he is told, yes Was L allowed to eat the eggs? Not relevant
Did he break some rule YES, Nelson is told that he did... in eating them? ...but no, not just by eating the eggs.

Was N primarly angry to L? The liar? Both? Mostly angry with the liar because of what he had been told about Lars
Had N gone to L, would he try to stop L eating eggs? Not from eating them, no, but he would have tried to stop something else...
Was L in a forbidden place eating eggs? Lars was never anywhere because he doesn't actually exist. But you are getting on track with something here...
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby LemonCurry » Sat May 25, 2019 6:51 pm

Were the eggs supposedly eaten in a place where cooking and/or fires are forbidden?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby CoffeeBean » Sat May 25, 2019 7:18 pm

Were the eggs supposedly eaten Yes...in a place where cooking and/or fires are forbidden?
...but no to this.
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Postby GalFisk » Sun May 26, 2019 4:40 am

Did the liar claim to be involved in the egg-eating somehow? To have enabled it? Would the supposed rule-breaking have happened when the egg was: laid? Sold/given/taken? Cooked/prepared? Served? Consumed? Later? Eggshells relevant?
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Postby Earnest » Sun May 26, 2019 10:01 am

Is labeling important? Kitchen? Row materials? Were the eggs supposed to be cooked later on? Eaten by someone relevant?

Organization of meals relevant? Quantities of food? Quality? Were eggs the only important food? Were there other types of food in the relevant place? Is the relevant place a place where usually food is found? Eggs? Privacy relevant? Was N a bodyguard?

Did the liar want N to go and check if the eggs were eaten? If so, in order to see the place where the eggs were? Were the eggs hidden?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Sun May 26, 2019 1:04 pm

Did the liar claim to be involved in the egg-eating somehow? To have enabled it? This, yes
Would the supposed rule-breaking have happened when the egg was: laid? Sold/given/taken? Cooked/prepared? Served? Consumed? Later? This, sometime after the eggs were served, possibly while being consumed Eggshells relevant?No
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Postby CoffeeBean » Sun May 26, 2019 1:09 pm

Is labeling important? Kitchen? Row materials? No Were the eggs supposed to be cooked later on? Eaten by someone relevant? Not relevant

Organization of meals relevant? Quantities of food? Quality? No to these
Were eggs the only important food? No Were there other types of food in the relevant place? Yes Is the relevant place a place where usually food is found? Yes, always Eggs? Yes, and others
Privacy relevant? Was N a bodyguard? No to both

Did the liar want N to go and check if the eggs were eaten? No, but...If so, in order to see the place where the eggs were? ...yes, the liar knew Nelson would want to do this
Were the eggs hidden? No
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby irishelk » Sun May 26, 2019 1:28 pm

The liar says that they enabled Lars to eat the eggs, but Nelson is not angry at the liar, correct?

Does the liar tell the lie so that Nelson will infer that something else has happened? If so, did the something else actually happen? Was Nelson relevantly told that Lars ate anything other than eggs? Does the liar say that Lars is eating eggs because there is nothing else to eat?

Is the relevant place a kitchen? Inside a refrigerator? A pantry? A grocery store? a farm?
Was Nelson called on his cell phone by the liar? On his home phone? Was he texted? Sent a photo on his phone? Did he learn about the Lars/eggs situation through social media? Through another website?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby CoffeeBean » Sun May 26, 2019 1:47 pm

The liar says that they enabled Lars to eat the eggs, but Nelson is not angry at the liar, correct?
At one point Nelson isn’t angry with the liar. At another point Nelson is very angry with him.

Does the liar tell the lie so that Nelson will infer that something else has happened? Yes (and Nelson does not have to infer very much) If so, did the something else actually happen? No
Was Nelson relevantly told that Lars ate anything other than eggs? Yes Does the liar say that Lars is eating eggs because there is nothing else to eat? No

Is the relevant place a kitchen? Inside a refrigerator? A pantry? A grocery store? a farm? No to these (but “kitchen” is close)
Was Nelson called on his cell phone by the liar? On his home phone? Was he texted? This Sent a photo on his phone?
Did he learn about the Lars/eggs situation through social media? No he learned by being texted. Through another website? No
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Postby GalFisk » Sun May 26, 2019 2:11 pm

Is the fictional Lars relevantly a: customer? Guest? Coworker? Boss? Employee? Prisoner? Innocent party? Target? Protected person? Person in power? Food critic? Child? Parent? Business partner? Romantic partner?
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Postby Earnest » Sun May 26, 2019 6:04 pm

Rich families relevant? Eggs and balance relevant. Is N a stewart? Hotels relevant? Warehouse relevant? Were eggs stored relevantly? Did e eventually find the eggs? In their original place? Find out that nobody ate them? Or maybe the liar did? (Maybe the liar drop the eggs and looked for someone else to blame so he incented the story of L?) Was the liar in charge of doing something with the eggs? Cook them? Used them as ingredients? Eat them?

Did the liar mention the name of the one who ate the eggs? Or said that someone was eating/ate them? Did the liar's message imply that he was present when L was eating the eggs? If he mentioned the name: did the liar also mention that name in the past? To N?

Were the eggs the last one remained? Were there other eggs a part from the one cited in the puzzle statement, relevant? Relevant how many eggs? More than 3? More than 10? Were the eggs real?


Was the one of the liar a joke? Were the eggs relevantly: on a table? In a fridge?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Sun May 26, 2019 10:33 pm

Is the fictional Lars relevantly a: customer? Yes
Guest? Coworker? Boss? Employee? Prisoner? Innocent party? Target? Protected person? Person in power? Food critic?
Child? Yes
Parent? Business partner? Romantic partner?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Sun May 26, 2019 10:42 pm

Rich families relevant? Eggs and balance relevant. No to both
Is N a stewart? Hotels relevant? Warehouse relevant? No to all
Were eggs stored relevantly? No
Did e eventually find the eggs? No, and FA is lurking In their original place? FA
Find out that nobody ate them? Nelson at one point realized that no one had actually eaten any eggs, yes
Or maybe the liar did? No, the liar never ate eggs either(Maybe the liar drop the eggs and looked for someone else to blame so he incented the story of L?) No but good guess
Was the liar in charge of doing something with the eggs? Cook them? Used them as ingredients? Eat them? No to all

Did the liar mention the name of the one who ate the eggs? Yes, he said that Lars ate eggs
Or said that someone was eating/ate them? He said this about Lars, yes
Did the liar's message imply that he was present when L was eating the eggs? Not implied, the message specifically said that the liar was present with Lars and Lars had eaten eggsIf he mentioned the name: did the liar also mention that name in the past? To N? The liar had never talked to Nelson before this

Were the eggs the last one remained? Were there other eggs a part from the one cited in the puzzle statement, relevant? Relevant how many eggs? More than 3? More than 10? Were the eggs real?
No and FA


Was the one of the liar a joke? Yes, the liar was making a kind of joke (there is a better word)
Were the eggs relevantly: on a table? In a fridge?
Nelson would have assumed they had been on a table. Explore this some more...
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby Balin » Sun May 26, 2019 11:02 pm

Does the lie draw Nelson away from his home (or place of business)? Enabling the liar (or an associate) to rob that location?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby CoffeeBean » Mon May 27, 2019 1:46 am

Does the lie draw Nelson away from his home (or place of business)? It nearly does make him leave his home, yes

Enabling the liar (or an associate) to rob that location? No, this isn’t the liar’s objective
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby GalFisk » Mon May 27, 2019 5:36 am

Age of fictional Lars relevant? Was Lars supposedly a customer of a: restaurant? Food court? Street vendor? Farmer? Soup kitchen? Is a parent or guardian relevant? Would the lie work if Lars was made out to be a teen? An adult? A dog? Were children not allowed in the location? Payment for the eggs relevant?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby LemonCurry » Mon May 27, 2019 6:57 am

Was this a prank call?
Is a "free baby food" offer on the premises this has supposedly hapened relevant?
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Re: [CoffeeBean] For He's (Not) A Jolly Good Vegan

Postby Earnest » Mon May 27, 2019 7:13 am

So the eggs were not real? To be sure: are we talking about a coded message? Real eggs? Were the eggs'shell painted? Had N ever seen the eggs before he was told that L ate them? Relevant? Was there other food on the relevant table? Did N know/suppose it? Were there eggs on the table? Maybe he supposed inside a box? Did the liar want N to move from his original position? Were the eggs exposed? Fake eggs maybe as piece of furniture for the table relevant?

L was a supposed customer right? Do customers go to N in order to: eat? Buy objects? Buy furnitures? Buy services? Take pictures? Look paintings? Look pieces of art?

Did N look for the eggs? Did N know about the presence of the eggs on the table? Did he suppose that someone brought them there? L? Shell of the eggs relevant? Did N suppose that L ate also the shell? Did N know/suppose that L was a child? Did N suppose that the eggs were cooked? That someone cooked them?

Did the liar know that N would have supposed that the eggs were on a table? Did he want N to replace them? Did N? Was the table ancient? Modern? A piece of art? A piece of furniture? A tool to work on? Do someone (N? The liar?) work on that table? With food? Was it made of a relevant material? Wood? Iron? Marble? Others? Relevant where on the table N supposed the eggs to be? In the middle? Inside something? On something? In the corners?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon May 27, 2019 2:05 pm

Age of fictional Lars relevant? Yes, safe to assume he was between 2 and 5 years old most likely
Was Lars supposedly a customer of a: restaurant? Yes, this
Food court? Street vendor? Farmer? Soup kitchen? None of these would work
Is a parent or guardian relevant? Yes
Would the lie work if Lars was made out to be a teen? An adult? A dog? No
Were children not allowed in the location? They were allowed and usually present there
Payment for the eggs relevant? No
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon May 27, 2019 2:06 pm

Was this a prank call? Prank text, yes
Is a "free baby food" offer on the premises this has supposedly hapened relevant? No
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon May 27, 2019 2:23 pm

So the eggs were not real? No eggs were actually eaten, no
To be sure: are we talking about a coded message? No
Real eggs? This was assumed, yes
Were the eggs'shell painted? No and not relevant
Had N ever seen the eggs before he was told that L ate them? Relevant? No, and it is relevant that N was unable to see for sure that L never existed or ate food
Was there other food on the relevant table? N was told this, yes
Did N know/suppose it? Yes
Were there eggs on the table? No, but N assumed this
Maybe he supposed inside a box? No, N would not have thought this
Did the liar want N to move from his original position? Possibly, based on something else that happened
Were the eggs exposed? Fake eggs maybe as piece of furniture for the table relevant? No and not relevant

L was a supposed customer right? Yes
Do customers go to N in order to: eat? No Buy objects? Yes Buy furnitures? Buy services? No to these
Take pictures? Look paintings? Look pieces of art?
YES to all of these

Did N look for the eggs? No Did N know about the presence of the eggs on the table? N assumed this based on what he was told
Did he suppose that someone brought them there? L? No, he knew this would not be the case
Shell of the eggs relevant? NoDid N suppose that L ate also the shell? No and not relevant
Did N know/suppose that L was a child? He was told this and also assumed it based on other information
Did N suppose that the eggs were cooked? That someone cooked them? Yes to both

Did the liar know that N would have supposed that the eggs were on a table? Yes
Did he want N to replace them? Did N? No to both and not relevant
Was the table ancient? Modern? A piece of art? A piece of furniture? ThisA tool to work on? Do someone (N? The liar?) work on that table? NoWith food? Was it made of a relevant material? Wood? Iron? Marble? Others? It was an ordinary wooden table
Relevant where on the table N supposed the eggs to be? Yes, it’s very relevant. He did not suppose they were just on the table...
In the middle? Inside something? On something? ThisIn the corners?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon May 27, 2019 2:28 pm

CORRECTION: Nelson is told that Lars is 8 years old
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 28, 2019 5:56 am

Type of restaurant relevant? Cuisine of restaurant? Workers of restaurant? Owner? Are certain foods banned in the restaurant? Certain people? Certain behaviour? Are the pieces of art in the restaurant? Does the liar say there is egg on a piece of art?
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Postby Earnest » Tue May 28, 2019 6:40 am

Was something on the table considered a piece of art? Was the surface of the table painted? Was it ancient? Painting relevant? Mosaic on the table relevant? Chemical reactions with eggs relevant?

Was there other food on the relevant table? N was told this, yes --> was the "supposed" food already present on the table? Brought by someone? Was the table part of the restaurant? Was it near to other similar tables?
Were them in a museum?, and the restaurant was the restaurant of the museum? Hygene relevant? Did N suppose that the eggs had been broken? Spread all over? That L dirtied his hands with eggs?
Did N suppose that L relevantly used cutlery? To eat the eggs? Dishes? Hands? Other relevant tools? Were the eggs eaten as a part of a mixture? (e.g. there were children preparing a cake with eggs)

Was the liar the owner of the restaurant? A guardian of the museum? A parent? Did the liar want to avoid children to actually do what he described in the message and wanted someone to intervene?

Did the liar know that N would have supposed that the eggs were on a table? Yes --> on a specific table? Did the liar call it "THE" table rather than "A" table? Were there other similar tables? Eith the same things on them? Tablecloth on the table relevant?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 28, 2019 12:54 pm

Type of restaurant relevant? Cuisine of restaurant? Not really, you already know one relevant food that they serve
Workers of restaurant? Only to a small degree Owner? No
Are certain foods banned in the restaurant? Not relevant Certain people? n/r Certain behaviour? Likely not banned, but probably frowned upon
Are the pieces of art in the restaurant? Does the liar say there is egg on a piece of art? YES to both
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 28, 2019 1:03 pm

Was something on the table considered a piece of art? No, not on the table
Was the surface of the table painted? Was it ancient? No
Painting relevant? Yes
Mosaic on the table relevant? Chemical reactions with eggs relevant? No to both

Was there other food on the relevant table? N would have assumed this
N was told this, yes --> was the "supposed" food already present on the table? When? Brought by someone? Assumed, yes
Was the table part of the restaurant? Was it near to other similar tables? Yes
Were them in a museum?, No and the restaurant was the restaurant of the museum? No Hygene relevant? No
Did N suppose that the eggs had been broken? At some point, yes, but this part did not bother him Spread all over? To a degree, yes
That L dirtied his hands with eggs? Not L’s hands, no, but something else
Did N suppose that L relevantly used cutlery? To eat the eggs? Dishes? Hands? Other relevant tools? Were the eggs eaten as a part of a mixture? (e.g. there were children preparing a cake with eggs) No to these

Was the liar the owner of the restaurant? No
A guardian of the museum? No
A parent? The Liar is assumed by N to be L’s parent
Did the liar want to avoid children to actually do what he described in the message and wanted someone to intervene? The Liar would not have cared much if what he described really had happened

Did the liar know that N would have supposed that the eggs were on a table? Yes --> on a specific table? Did the liar call it "THE" table rather than "A" table? Were there other similar tables? Eith the same things on them? Tablecloth on the table relevant? The location of the table is relevant, and N would have known this
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 28, 2019 1:10 pm

Is the table near the art? Is a specific piece of art relevant? Did the liar say Lars was messy? Destructive? Angry? Did he say the art was ruined? Damaged? Affected? Is the liar trying to ascertain the value of the art by observing the level of anger in Nelson? Trying to put Nelson in a difficult position?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 28, 2019 1:19 pm

Is the table near the art? Is a specific piece of art relevant? Did the liar say Lars was messy? Destructive? Angry? Yes to all of this
Did he say the art was ruined? Damaged? Affected? Not ruined but certainly affected and damaged
Is the liar trying to ascertain the value of the art by observing the level of anger in Nelson? No, he doesn’t need to do this
Trying to put Nelson in a difficult position? Oh yes, for sure

Nearly have this one done, just determine how the discussion got started and exactly why the eggs matter
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 28, 2019 1:46 pm

Do eggs damage this art in a relevant way? Is the art relevantly valuable? Not valuable? Fake? Does egg damage genuine byt not fake art in a relevant way? Use of egg in artist paints relevant?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 28, 2019 2:06 pm

Do eggs damage this art in a relevant way? No
Is the art relevantly valuable? To who? Not valuable? It’s valuable to someone...
Fake? No
Does egg damage genuine but not fake art in a relevant way? No, there are no actual eggs and no actual damage to anything
Use of egg in artist paints relevant? No
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 28, 2019 2:12 pm

Is the art valuable to Nelson? The liar? Someone else?
Is the art pricesless to someone?
Is Nelson afraid that the art is damaged?
Did Nelson put the art there? Did Nelson make a rule that the art should be protected?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 28, 2019 2:18 pm

Is the art valuable to Nelson? Yes, and exploreThe liar? No, and explore Someone else? Unknown
Is the art pricesless to someone? Well based on something specific I think I’d say no
Is Nelson afraid that the art is damaged? Yes, very much
Did Nelson put the art there? Assume so, yes
Did Nelson make a rule that the art should be protected? He expected this, yes
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 28, 2019 2:54 pm

Does the liar hate the art? Think it's worthless? Think Nelson values it way too much? Find it disruptive? Inconvenient? Was the art made by Nelson? Someone close to Nelson? Does the liar want the art gone from the restaurant? Moved to somewhere else in the restaurant? Does the liar work in the restaurant? Does Nelson use the restaurant to show off art? Sell art?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 28, 2019 3:00 pm

Does the liar hate the art? Think it's worthless? Based on what took place, the liar probably doesn't appreciate "art" very much (or maybe he does?)...
Think Nelson values it way too much? Probably, based on something relevant that he does
Find it disruptive? Inconvenient? No
Was the art made by Nelson? Yes, there's no doubt about this Someone close to Nelson? No
Does the liar want the art gone from the restaurant? No Moved to somewhere else in the restaurant? No Does the liar work in the restaurant? No
Does Nelson use the restaurant to show off art? Sell art? Yes to both
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 28, 2019 3:16 pm

Was the art signed by Nelson? Was it a painting? Relevant? Did it have a price tag? Is insurance relevant? Reimbursement for the supposedly damaged art? Does Nelson own the resturant? Is Nelson put in an awkward situation where claiming the art has a high value will be detrimental to him?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 28, 2019 3:38 pm

Was the art signed by Nelson? Yes, and something else was also (keep reading) Was it a painting? Relevant? Yes, it was a painting Did it have a price tag? Yes, with Nelson's name (and other relevant information) on it Is insurance relevant? No Reimbursement for the supposedly damaged art? Yes, this is relevant Does Nelson own the restaurant? Unknown but not relevant
Is Nelson put in an awkward situation where claiming the art has a high value will be detrimental to him? No, but a claim about the art's value is relevant (and funny)
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 28, 2019 4:01 pm

Is a claim about the art's value made by: Nelson? The liar? Fake Lars, according to the liar? Someone else? The price tag? Is the value claimed to be: high? Low? Nothing? Negative? Higher after the damage? Higher because the supposed piece of egg was worth more than the painting?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 28, 2019 4:19 pm

Is a claim about the art's value made by: Nelson? Yes... The liar? ...and this, at least an apparent claim about it Fake Lars, according to the liar? No Someone else? No The price tag? Well yes, this reflects Nelson's claim about the art's value Is the value claimed to be: high? Low? Nothing? Negative? Relatively high based on a specific thing done by the Liar
Higher after the damage? Not according to the Liar, certainly not
Higher because the supposed piece of egg was worth more than the painting? No

RECAP

Nelson is contacted via text message by The Liar who tells him that his son Lars has become angry and destructive while in a restaurant where Nelson's painting is displayed and for sale. Liar tells Nelson that as a result of Lars's behavior, some egg that Lars was eating is on the painting. No eggs were actually eaten, and Lars does not even exist. But Liar makes Nelson angry to the point where Nelson threatens to call the police. The thing that Liar does that makes Nelson this angry is directly related to the value of the painting.
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 28, 2019 4:38 pm

Did Liar say the painting was worth more with egg on it? Did Liar say anything about cleaning the painting? Buying the painting? Selling it?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 28, 2019 4:48 pm

Did Liar say the painting was worth more with egg on it? No! The opposite!
Did Liar say anything about cleaning the painting? Yes! Buying the painting? Yes, Liar offered to do this Selling it? No

Nearly done...
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 28, 2019 7:04 pm

Did the liar say the painting was now worth less? Worthless? Did he offer to buy it for a low price? For no money at all? For the cost or effort of cleaning it? Would the offered cleaning restore the painting to its original state? To an altered state? Clean off all the paint? Did the liar suggest that the canvas (or whatever surface) the painting was painted on, was worth more than the painting?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 28, 2019 7:15 pm

Did the liar say the painting was now worth less? Yes, in his opinion (and because of something else) Worthless? He didn't say this but his other words and actions indicate it Did he offer to buy it for a low price? YES, in Nelson's opinion a very low price For no money at all? No he did offer to pay something, but also offered something besides money (which was also funny) For the cost or effort of cleaning it? No, but he did offer to do something Would the offered cleaning restore the painting to its original state? Well no, if the Liar had actually done it To an altered state? Oh yes, very altered Clean off all the paint? Not all, but would certainly remove some of it
Did the liar suggest that the canvas (or whatever surface) the painting was painted on, was worth more than the painting? No

You have nearly all of the relevant information, you know that the Liar sent information to Nelson via text message. If you can put together the chronology of the Liar's claims and Nelson's responses we'll be done. Looking back at the original puzzle statement, can you determine why Nelson would have felt the need to call the police?
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 28, 2019 7:28 pm

Did he offer an object besides money? A service? Advice? The supposed piece of egg? Would the offered cleaning be overly aggressive? Profession of Liar relevant? As to the offered cleaning, did he offer to hose the painting off? Dry clean it? Run it through a washing machine? Pressure wash it? Steam clean it? Use paint stripper on it?
Did Nelson want to call the cops because he thought Liar was about to totally ruin the painting? To stop Liar from doing something?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 28, 2019 7:34 pm

Did he offer an object besides money? Yes, he offered some objects in addition to some money
A service? Advice? The supposed piece of egg? No
Would the offered cleaning be overly aggressive? Yes! Liar even used a certain phrase to indicate this.
Profession of Liar relevant? No As to the offered cleaning, did he offer to hose the painting off? No
Dry clean it? Well, sort of, if by "dry cleaning" you mean remove debris without water or chemicals (but not in the normal meaning of "dry clean")
Run it through a washing machine? No Pressure wash it? Well he did say he would use pressure, but not washing... Steam clean it? Use paint stripper on it? No to these
Did Nelson want to call the cops because he thought Liar was about to totally ruin the painting? Yes...To stop Liar from doing something? ...and yes.
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 28, 2019 9:13 pm

Pressurized air? Wind? Relative wind? Pressurized gas? Fire?
Did the liar offer other art in addition to money? Did he offer his son's drawings?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 28, 2019 9:15 pm

Pressurized air? Wind? Relative wind? Pressurized gas? Fire? No, much more practical and funny than these...
Did the liar offer other art in addition to money? Did he offer his son's drawings? Not this, but he did offer some items that belonged to his (fake) son
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Postby GalFisk » Tue May 28, 2019 9:20 pm

Pressure: a squirt bottle? Cleaning liquid? Spray paint? Something solid? Gaseous? Just rubbing on it really hard? An eraser? Did he offer toys? The son's leftover food?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Tue May 28, 2019 11:45 pm

Pressure: a squirt bottle? Cleaning liquid? Spray paint? Something solid? YesGaseous? Just rubbing on it really hard? Yes but also with an object An eraser? No
Did he offer toys? Close, he offered some kid movies on VHSThe son's leftover food?
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Postby GalFisk » Wed May 29, 2019 4:58 am

Rubbing on it with: another egg? A sponge? A rag? A mop? His sleeve? Hand? Something people often bring to a restaurant? Something often present in restaurants? Relevant what sort of paint was used? What surface it was painted on?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed May 29, 2019 1:13 pm

Rubbing on it with: another egg? A sponge? A rag? A mop? His sleeve? Hand? None of these

Something people often bring to a restaurant? Something often present in restaurants? Yes to both

Relevant what sort of paint was used? What surface it was painted on? No
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Postby LemonCurry » Wed May 29, 2019 2:10 pm

Did The Liar want to clean the painting with a brush? a knife? another piece of cutlery?

Did the Liar (pretend to) misread the price tag?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Wed May 29, 2019 2:21 pm

Did The Liar want to clean the painting with a brush? a knife? another piece of cutlery?
No, he said he was going to use something that he would have brought in with him

Did the Liar (pretend to) misread the price tag?
No, he was clear that he knew what the asking price was
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Postby LemonCurry » Fri May 31, 2019 5:37 am

Was the Liar telling to work on the painting with a body part? An object he is usually carrying around? Like a key? A coin? A credit card?

Is there still another yet-to-be-found-out reason that Nelson is angry? If so, maybe the object is something like a key to a Porsche or an Amex Platinum Card, which suggests that the Liar could easily pay the whole price without any pain?
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Postby CoffeeBean » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:08 pm

Was the Liar telling to work on the painting with a body part? An object he is usually carrying around? Like a key? A coin? This A credit card?

Is there still another yet-to-be-found-out reason that Nelson is angry? No, the rest of the story is how he became angry (see below) If so, maybe the object is something like a key to a Porsche or an Amex Platinum Card, which suggests that the Liar could easily pay the whole price without any pain?

***** SPOILER *****

This puzzle is based on a real prank. A man was in a restaurant and saw a painting on display for sale. The artist's name and phone number were on the price tag, so the man (Liar) texted the artist (Nelson) offering to buy the painting for less than asking price. When Nelson offered to negotiate, Liar said that the whole story was that his "son" (Lars) had thrown a fit and tossed food from his breakfast platter onto the painting and food had gotten stuck to it. Nelson began to get angry, begging Liar to stop texting and answer his phone. Liar declined, claiming that his kids were making too much noise to be able to hear Nelson over the phone. Liar then told Nelson that he would attempt to remove the food from the painting by scraping it off with a coin. At this, Nelson became infuriated and threatened to call the police and warned Liar not to touch the painting. Liar finally offered a small amount of money for the (not actually) damaged painting, along with some childrens' movie videos that he had in his car. Nelson realized it was a prank but was still very angry.
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