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[Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Balin » Wed May 22, 2019 5:17 pm

A media organization reports a story which falls under the field they cover and involves a famous person in that field. However, in writing the story, the organization intentionally leaves out a quote from that person. They do this neither to protect nor tarnish the person's reputation. So why do they?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby CoffeeBean » Wed May 22, 2019 6:59 pm

Is the person well respected? Have a good reputation?
Is the story about the person? Or more about the area of study or profession?
Did the person know they'd be referenced in a media story? Were they interviewed?
Were any of the person's quotes used in the story? Were anyone else's quotes used?
Is the topic of the story relevant? The field of focus or study?
Has this media outlet omitted this person's quotes in previous stories?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby gregoryuconn » Wed May 22, 2019 8:23 pm

Is the field sports? Politics? Is the person still alive? Is it Trump? Fake news relevant? Was the quote irrelevant? Factually inaccurate?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Earnest » Thu May 23, 2019 7:23 am

Do general public understand that the quote has been left out intentionally? Is the famous person an actor? A sport man/woman? A politic? A singer? An enterpreneur (e.g. in luxury)? A business man? A king/queen? A writer? An historical person? A fantasy charachter? A commenter? A collegue?

Is the quote directly attributable to the person or maybe to a fantasy charchter he interpreted? To someone else?
Relevant how the person is involved in the story? Did the quote in fact fit in the story? Has the story been told several times? Are interviews relevant? Is the point of view of the story? The light in which they want to put the person? Is the quote about a relevant topic? Politics? About the topic told by the story? Is the quote well known to the public? Has the quote been cut from an interview? Did something embarassing happened? Something behind the scenes?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Balin » Thu May 23, 2019 9:30 pm

Is the person well respected? Assume so Have a good reputation? Assume so
Is the story about the person? This Or more about the area of study or profession?
Did the person know they'd be referenced in a media story? No Were they interviewed? No
Were any of the person's quotes used in the story? Yes Were anyone else's quotes used? Yes
Is the topic of the story relevant? Yes The field of focus or study? Not really
Has this media outlet omitted this person's quotes in previous stories? No

Is the field sports? Yes Politics? Thus, no Is the person still alive? Yes Is it Trump? No Fake news relevant? No Was the quote irrelevant? No Factually inaccurate? No

Do general public understand that the quote has been left out intentionally? Yes Is the famous person an actor? A sport man/woman? An athlete A politic? A singer? An enterpreneur (e.g. in luxury)? A business man? A king/queen? A writer? An historical person? A fantasy charachter? A commenter? A collegue?

Is the quote directly attributable to the person or maybe to a fantasy charchter he interpreted? Directly to the person To someone else?
Relevant how the person is involved in the story? Yes Did the quote in fact fit in the story? Yes Has the story been told several times? No Are interviews relevant? No Is the point of view of the story? Irrel The light in which they want to put the person? Irrel Is the quote about a relevant topic? Yes Politics? No About the topic told by the story? YOPE! Is the quote well known to the public? To a portion of the public Has the quote been cut from an interview? No Did something embarassing happened? For svv of "embarrassing" Something behind the scenes? No
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Westing1992 » Thu May 23, 2019 11:36 pm

Is this a real person? Was the quote so fitting to the story that the organization decides it'd be better to omit it and let the readers fill it in themselves?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Earnest » Fri May 24, 2019 7:19 am

Bolt relevant? Had the sentence been told in a certain context? Did the circumstances changed with respect to when the athlete told the sentence? (E.g. change of partnership/sponsor/coach, a match lost...) are drugs involved? Scandals? Private life? Maradona and "hand of God"?

Was the sentence compketely omitted? Told by someone else? Written?

Relevant the sport practiced? May I invoke the list?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Balin » Sun May 26, 2019 10:37 pm

Is this a real person? Yes Was the quote so fitting to the story that the organization decides it'd be better to omit it and let the readers fill it in themselves? No

Bolt relevant? No Had the sentence been told in a certain context? Yes Did the circumstances changed with respect to when the athlete told the sentence? svv of "circumstances" (E.g. change of partnership/sponsor/coach, a match lost...) No to both are drugs involved? No Scandals? No Private life? No Maradona and "hand of God"? No

Was the sentence compketely omitted? Yes Told by someone else? No Written? When?

Relevant the sport practiced? No May I invoke the list? Sure - American football (but his sport is not relevant to the solution)
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby gregoryuconn » Mon May 27, 2019 2:20 am

Was the quote about the sport itself? Some relevant part of the sport? The draft? The rules? Relevant what publication this was in? A newspaper? A magazine? Was the person a player? A former player? Coach? Former coach? Owner? Recent Robert Kraft scandal relevant?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Earnest » Mon May 27, 2019 7:47 am

Relevant when the media reported the story?, the time of the day? Was the sentence rude? Inappropriate for certain people? For children? Could the quote influence the public? Could the quote be used as a proof for something? As a witness? As a legal act? Are rights relevant? Did the quote become a sentence used in spots? In advertisement? Would it have been considered surreptitious advertisement?

Was the whole story centered on the player? On his story? on the history of his sport? On a crime? On the story of his life? On rich people? On colleges? On business? On trials? On succesfull people? On records? Did the player appear as main charachter of the story reported? Marginal? In a spot? Had the player the possibility to do it, would he have included the sentence?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Balin » Mon May 27, 2019 1:02 pm

Was the quote about the sport itself? No, so No to these Some relevant part of the sport? The draft? The rules? Relevant what publication this was in? Yes A newspaper? A magazine? Neither (additionally, it was published online) Was the person a player? Yes A former player? Coach? Former coach? Owner? Recent Robert Kraft scandal relevant? No

Relevant when the media reported the story?, Yes the time of the day? No Was the sentence rude? Yes, DOYD of "rude" Inappropriate for certain people? No For children? No Could the quote influence the public? I wouldn't say "influence," No Could the quote be used as a proof for something? As a witness? As a legal act? Are rights relevant? No to all Did the quote become a sentence used in spots? No In advertisement? Certainly not Would it have been considered surreptitious advertisement? No

Was the whole story centered on the player? Yes On his story? on the history of his sport? On a crime? On the story of his life? On rich people? On colleges? On business? On trials? On succesfull people? On records? No to rest
Did the player appear as main charachter of the story reported? Yes Marginal? In a spot? Had the player the possibility to do it, would he have included the sentence? I don't understand this question
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby gregoryuconn » Mon May 27, 2019 9:56 pm

Did they include any other quotes from that person? Could they have if they wanted to? Media days relevant?

WAG: Is this Marshawn Lynch saying "I'm just here so I don't get fined" at Super Bowl media day and refusing to give any actual quotes?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Earnest » Tue May 28, 2019 7:57 am

Yes, DOYD of "rude" --> rude for a certain kind of audience? Belonging to a certain culture/religion? To a minority? Toward someone else? Someone present at the transmission? Toward the general public? Maybe it contained bad words and the story was told to the radio so that it could not be cited?

Is the way the story is organized/told relevant? A mute story? A series of pictures with music? Was the story in memory of the player? Are live interviews to the sport man being made during the transmission? Relevant? Did the man quote someone else? Did the man told the sentence during a speech? At a funeral? While on the pitch? During an interview? Replying to a question (about his private life? About his career? About an action he made? The reason why he did something? He changed team? His origins? Racism relevant? Others)? Told against someone relevant? In favor of someone? In favor of something? With a particular meaning? In a foreign language? Was the quotation made mainly through gestures that were later on translated into words? Made just by gestures?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Balin » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:15 pm

Did they include any other quotes from that person? No Could they have if they wanted to? Yes Media days relevant? No

WAG: Is this Marshawn Lynch saying "I'm just here so I don't get fined" at Super Bowl media day and refusing to give any actual quotes? No, but that's a clever guess

Yes, DOYD of "rude" --> rude for a certain kind of audience? Yes, in more ways than one Belonging to a certain culture/religion? To a minority? Toward someone else? Someone present at the transmission? Toward the general public? Yes, in a way Maybe it contained bad words and the story was told to the radio so that it could not be cited? No

Is the way the story is organized/told relevant? Not really; it's told in an article online
A mute story? A series of pictures with music? Was the story in memory of the player? Are live interviews to the sport man being made during the transmission? Relevant? Did the man quote someone else? Did the man told the sentence during a speech? At a funeral? While on the pitch? During an interview? Replying to a question (about his private life? About his career? About an action he made? The reason why he did something? He changed team? His origins? Racism relevant? Others)? Told against someone relevant? In favor of someone? In favor of something? With a particular meaning? In a foreign language? Was the quotation made mainly through gestures that were later on translated into words? Made just by gestures? No to all
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Balin » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:23 pm

RECAP:

A football player made certain quotes that were reported on by a sports website. However, the website did not directly quote the player. The quotes could be considered "rude" to a certain audience, depending on your meaning of "rude."

HINT: The quotes themselves have nothing to do with sports.
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Balin » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:57 am

the previous comment has a hint, so this is just a bump.
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Earnest » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:38 pm

Were the quotes a series of uncorrelated quotes? Was the man able to speak? To speak properly? Quotes made answering to certain questions? When interviwed? That he made in public? That he wanted to be published?
About: an event to which he is taking part? Charity? Difficulties in speaking relevant? travels? nothing in particular(e.g. dlfamous quotes of the man)? politics? Religion? An event on the man's life? His private life? Intimal relationships? Money? His second job? What he does after the end of his career (was his career ended by the way?)?
Did the man mean to teach something? To explain something? Tell something? To someone in particular?

Did their omission put more emphasis on them? Had the sentences not been omitted would an average listener changed the channel? Protested against CNN? Were the omitted quotes cut? Were videos shown and the parts with such sentences cut? Were the quotes left out about sport? About the same topic of the sentences not left out? Were such sentences in dialect? Did they contain bad words? Gestures? Were the sentences maybe seen by reading lips?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Balin » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:37 am

Were the quotes a series of uncorrelated quotes? No Was the man able to speak? Yes, FA To speak properly? Yes, FA
Quotes made answering to certain questions? No/b] When interviwed? [b]No That he made in public? Yes That he wanted to be published? Yes, slight svv of "published"
About: an event to which he is taking part? Charity? Difficulties in speaking relevant? travels? nothing in particular(e.g. dlfamous quotes of the man)? politics? Religion? An event on the man's life? His private life? Intimal relationships? Money? His second job? What he does after the end of his career (was his career ended by the way?)? No to all (and he is still an active player), with an -ish to "event"
Did the man mean to teach something? To explain something? Tell something? Yope To someone in particular? No, and No to others

Did their omission put more emphasis on them? No Had the sentences not been omitted would an average listener changed the channel? FA Protested against CNN? No Were the omitted quotes cut? Yes Were videos shown and the parts with such sentences cut? No, no videos involved Were the quotes left out about sport? No About the same topic of the sentences not left out? Yes Were such sentences in dialect? Not sure what you mean Did they contain bad words? No Gestures? No Were the sentences maybe seen by reading lips? No
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Earnest » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:07 pm

Did he speak live? Did he appear? Did he speak firsthead? Did someone else report his quotes? Relevant his nationality? The team for which he is playing?

Would the omitted sentences have consequences on his present/future career? Would have revealed something relevant? About someone? About himself (e.g. his favorite place to stay spoiling indirectly his next team)?
Did he male the quote during an event? When he was with someone relevant? In private? With the intention to be rude?

the website did not directly quote the player.  = the website completely omitted the quotes? Reformulate the sentences? Or maybe the quote itself is the silence?

Was the omitted quote about: food? Media? Clothing? Cinema? Techmology? Diet? Health care? Music? A company/brand? An hobby he had? Books? Police? Drugs? Criminal activities? Not commenting on something? Internet? Social?
Comment something (pictures...) repevant? Could the sentence be rude to general audience? Specifically to some people in the web? In the site?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby peter365 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:55 am

This is a H.A.M. we're talking about (just curious about the earlier FA).

Is he Tom Brady?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Balin » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:56 am

Did he speak live? Yes, FA Did he appear? Yope Did he speak firsthead? same FA Did someone else report his quotes? Yes, several places ran similar stories Relevant his nationality? No The team for which he is playing? No

Would the omitted sentences have consequences on his present/future career? Probably not Would have revealed something relevant? Yes About someone? Yes About himself No (e.g. his favorite place to stay spoiling indirectly his next team)? But not this
Did he male the quote during an event? No When he was with someone relevant? No In private? Yope/No With the intention to be rude? Probably not

the website did not directly quote the player. = the website completely omitted the quotes? Yes Reformulate the sentences? Or maybe the quote itself is the silence? NO

Was the omitted quote about: food? Media? Clothing? Cinema? This Techmology? Diet? Health care? Music? A company/brand? An hobby he had? Books? Police? Drugs? Criminal activities? Not commenting on something? Internet? Social?
Comment something (pictures...) repevant? Could the sentence be rude to general audience? Specifically to some people in the web? In the site? No to these

This is a H.A.M. we're talking about (just curious about the earlier FA). Yes, H/A/M

Is he Tom Brady? No
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Earnest » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:58 pm

Ok maybe the FA is on the fact that he is speaking? If so in the sense that the quotes are written? Are gestures?
Are reported by others? Are told by him while interpreting a charachter? Are told by an actor interpreting him in a movie?

Would the omitted quotes have revealed something about the ones reporting them? Were the quotes reported by people who chose among a list of the player's quotes? Did the website report just the quotes appearing in a movie?

Are movies relevant? Is he part of a movie? Is his story been told in a movie? If so is the movie already been published? Is he promoting the movie? Trailers relevant? Are actors relevant?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Balin » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:14 pm

Ok maybe the FA is on the fact that he is speaking? Yes! If so in the sense that the quotes are written? This Are gestures? Are reported by others? Are told by him while interpreting a charachter? Are told by an actor interpreting him in a movie?

Would the omitted quotes have revealed something about the ones reporting them? No Were the quotes reported by people who chose among a list of the player's quotes? No Did the website report just the quotes appearing in a movie? The quotes didn't appear in a movie

Are movies relevant? Yes Is he part of a movie? Is his story been told in a movie? No to both If so is the movie already been published? Yes Is he promoting the movie? Trailers relevant? Are actors relevant? No to these
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Earnest » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:45 am

If spoken would the sentences have revealed the same information? Were the sentences ambiguous? With double meanings? Did he quote an old movie? Was he aware to quote it? Is the movie's title relevant? Its topic? The someone who told the sentence? Or the sentence was about cinema and specifically about a movie? A comment about the movie? His opinion about a movie? About possible continuations of a movie?

WAG1 --> The sentences were just whispered in the movie but he knew the exact words?
WAG2 --> the sentence was in wookie and could have been easily decripted using an app (which was not present at the time of the sentence)?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Balin » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:16 pm

If spoken would the sentences have revealed the same information? Yes Were the sentences ambiguous? No With double meanings? No Did he quote No an old movie? No Was he aware to quote it? No Is the movie's title relevant? Not directly Its topic? Not directly The someone who told the sentence? It's the athlete Or the sentence was about cinema and specifically about a movie? It was specifically about one movie A comment about the movie? Yes His opinion about a movie? It included an opinion, Yes About possible continuations of a movie? No

WAG1 --> The sentences were just whispered in the movie but he knew the exact words? No
WAG2 --> the sentence was in wookie and could have been easily decripted using an app (which was not present at the time of the sentence)? No
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Earnest » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:31 am

Ok...do we need to guess the movie or can we invoke the list? Is the movie a fantasy? An historical movie? A war movie? Documentary? A real life based movie?biography? Is the movie the sequel of another movie? The prequel? Relevant?

Quotes rude = not respectful? Offensive? Too much revealing? Had the sentenc been considered rude by the certain type of audience at the time he told it or just later on?
Is the public that could consider them rude: people having seen the movie? Fan of the movie? Fan of the someone? Fan of the athlete? People who support the team of the athlete? People belonging to a minority? People with disabilities? People with certain physical charachteristics? With a certain hobby/attitude/political view/opinion about someone?

Did he comment the movie in a young age? Relevant? Did he watch the movie? Maybe with members of his family? Is his opinion about the movie: positive? Negative? Neutral? Is his position about a topic touched in the movie relevant?

Is the movie or the sentence about some "hot" topic? Immigration? Race? Religion? Politics? Environment? Drug? Economy? Does the movie concern indirectly the private life of the athlete?

Would the sentence have revealed something about someone related to the athlete? A relative? A friend? A rival? A politician? Someone famous?
If so does the revelation come from the athlete's opinion about the movie? About the specific sentence he quoted
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Balin » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:22 pm

Ok...do we need to guess the movie or can we invoke the list? For a certain reason, I can't outright state the movie
Is the movie a fantasy? An historical movie? A war movie? Documentary? A real life based movie?biography? None of these - I'd categorize it as a subset of "action"
Is the movie the sequel of another movie? Yes The prequel? Relevant? Yes

Quotes rude = not respectful? Offensive? Too much revealing? This! Had the sentenc been considered rude by the certain type of audience at the time he told it or just later on? At the time
Is the public that could consider them rude: people having seen the movie? Exactly the opposite... Fan of the movie? Fan of the someone? Fan of the athlete? People who support the team of the athlete? People belonging to a minority? People with disabilities? People with certain physical charachteristics? With a certain hobby/attitude/political view/opinion about someone? Rest are irrel

Did he comment the movie in a young age? Relevant? Irrel Did he watch the movie? Yes Maybe with members of his family? Irrel Is his opinion about the movie: positive? Negative? Neutral? Irrel Is his position about a topic touched in the movie relevant? Not so much a topic, but about something that happened in the movie

Is the movie or the sentence about some "hot" topic? Immigration? Race? Religion? Politics? Environment? Drug? Economy? Does the movie concern indirectly the private life of the athlete? No to these

Would the sentence have revealed something about someone related to the athlete? A relative? A friend? A rival? A politician? Someone famous? If so does the revelation come from the athlete's opinion about the movie? About the specific sentence he quoted No to these
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Earnest » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:43 pm

Is the sentence too much revealing in the sense that it spoils something? It reveals something about someone in real life? Do people having seen the movie not perceive it as rude because they already know how the movie will end up? Simply because they already have seen the movie? Is ot rude for people that did not have seen the movie but wanted to see it? For people who don't know the existence of the movie?
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission

Postby Balin » Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:02 pm

Is the sentence too much revealing in the sense that it spoils something? Yes
...Is it rude for people that did not have seen the movie but wanted to see it? And Yes

****SPOILER (but not for the movie)****

After Buffalo Bills running back LeSean McCoy saw Avengers: Endgame, he Tweeted his reactions, most notably lament over a certain character's death. Fans who had not yet seen the movie were spoiled by his tweets (even those who had muted character names, since McCoy misspelled the name) and were quite peeved. When the media reported the story, most sites declined to embed or quote his tweets, since doing so would have spoiled the movie for fans who hadn't seen what McCoy had said.

Way to work through this one!
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission (*SPOILED*)

Postby Earnest » Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:25 pm

Cool!!! It was hard xD
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Re: [Balin] A CNN of omission (*SPOILED*)

Postby peter365 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:10 am

Nice one
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