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[WiZ] Marathon Mental

Postby WiZ » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:30 am

You guys have the excuse of the summer doldrums; I'm just very busy. Sorry.

A man finishes a fun run, but he crosses the finish line 10 minutes after his goal time. However, he is very happy about this. Why?

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Re: [WiZ] Marathon Mental

Postby LemonCurry » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:39 am

Are time zones, DST switches or the like relevant?

Did the run include anything relevant besides running? Money relevant? Charity donations? Relevant how long the run was?

Did he define the goal time himself? Did the goal time relevantly change? Are any details about the goal time relevant?

Are any other competitors in the run relvant?
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Re: [WiZ] Marathon Mental

Postby WiZ » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:36 am

Are time zones, DST switches or the like relevant? no

Did the run include anything relevant besides running? no Money relevant? Charity donations? n/a to both Relevant how long the run was? yesish

Did he define the goal time himself? yes Did the goal time relevantly change? no Are any details about the goal time relevant? not outside of what has been established by the puzzle statement

Are any other competitors in the run relvant? yes
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Re: [WiZ] Marathon Mental

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:56 am

Did he relevantly meet/ talk to the other relevant competitor during the run?
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Re: [WiZ] Marathon Mental

Postby WiZ » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:50 am

Did he relevantly meet/ talk to the other relevant competitor during the run? no
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Re: [WiZ] Marathon Mental

Postby Earnest » Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:55 pm

he crosses the finish line --> did someone else crosses before him? Did he cross it for the first time 10 min after his goal? Was the time goal: feasible just for an athlete? Feasible for every normal person that made an average training for the race? Training conditions being the same: feasible for an old person? A young person? an handicapped person? A person with physical problems? Everyone?
Relevant the specific time goal he set?

Was the "time-goal" the only goal he set? Relevant his final position in the race? Did he win? relevant?
Did he make something relevant in the meantime that made him lose time? Take pictures? Slow down? Help someone? Did something else than just running? Did he lose time near the finishing line? At the beginning of the race? In the middle? Did he lose the 10 minutes all in one time? Or maybe 30 seconds in a part of the race, 2 minutes in another part and so on? To be sure: did he (and other competitors) run? Walk? Use a wheelchair? Other means?

Maybe he just set a purposely very ambitious time goal and even if he arrived 10 min later he was able to do a better time than he expected (e.g. he set a goal of 1 hour to complete the race, aware that it was a very ambitious goal. He expected to make it in 1h and 30 while he made it in 1h and 10 min which surprised him) ? Is a comparison made with a previous race that he made? Did something unexpected happen? E.g. it was raining while he expected sun? It was windy/snowy? Was it his first race after a very long time?
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Re: [WiZ] Marathon Mental

Postby irishelk » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:28 pm

Is he specifically happy that he was ten minutes over? Would something bad have happened if he finished at his goal time? Would he have looked bad? Did something good happen because he crossed ten minutes later? Did it demonstrate something good about him?
Did he start the race hoping to be over his time? Did he decide at some time during the race that he should go over his time?

Or is it more like he is happy in spite of being ten minutes over? Was there a possibility that he wouldn't finish at all? Or that he would finish much later?

Did he do anything relevant during the race other than run? If so, something unplanned? And if so, did all competitors do this?
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Re: [WiZ] Marathon Mental

Postby WiZ » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:56 am

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he crosses the finish line --> did someone else crosses before him? yes Did he cross it for the first time 10 min after his goal? yes Was the time goal: feasible just for an athlete? Feasible for every normal person that made an average training for the race? assume this; it only matters that it was feasible for him Training conditions being the same: feasible for an old person? A young person? an handicapped person? A person with physical problems? Everyone? as above
Relevant the specific time goal he set? no

Was the "time-goal" the only goal he set? yes Relevant his final position in the race? no Did he win? strictly speaking irrelevant, but probably not relevant? no
Did he make something relevant in the meantime that made him lose time? no Take pictures? Slow down? Help someone? Did something else than just running? n/a to all Did he lose time near the finishing line? At the beginning of the race? In the middle? Did he lose the 10 minutes all in one time? Or maybe 30 seconds in a part of the race, 2 minutes in another part and so on? irrel to all To be sure: did he (and other competitors) run? he did Walk? Use a wheelchair? Other means? the other competitors would have used a variety of means, including all of the above

Maybe he just set a purposely very ambitious time goal and even if he arrived 10 min later he was able to do a better time than he expected (e.g. he set a goal of 1 hour to complete the race, aware that it was a very ambitious goal. He expected to make it in 1h and 30 while he made it in 1h and 10 min which surprised him) ? no Is a comparison made with a previous race that he made? no Did something unexpected happen? yes E.g. it was raining while he expected sun? It was windy/snowy? but no to these Was it his first race after a very long time? Not necessarily, but this could have been a factor

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Is he specifically happy that he was ten minutes over? yes Would something bad have happened if he finished at his goal time? yes! Would he have looked bad? Arguably yes, but this isn't a deciding factor Did something good happen because he crossed ten minutes later? yes Did it demonstrate something good about him? no
Did he start the race hoping to be over his time? no Did he decide at some time during the race that he should go over his time? no

Or is it more like he is happy in spite of being ten minutes over? no Was there a possibility that he wouldn't finish at all? not necessarily Or that he would finish much later? no

Did he do anything relevant during the race other than run? no If so, something unplanned? And if so, did all competitors do this? n/a to both
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Re: [WiZ] Marathon Mental

Postby Earnest » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:38 am

Was him the only one finishing the race in delay with respect to the time goal set? Did something unexpected happened just to him? To someone taking part to the race? Along the path of the race? Relevant where the race took place? Was a criminal discovered? An attack prevented? A criminal caught? Was someone helped finishing the race?

Was a flash mob organized? An "outside of the race" event? Was the race/part of the race interrupted for 10 minutes? Can we assume that he went at a constant speed for all the path of the race without interruptions? Is timing relevant: e.g. he did not have a timer/ his timer was 10 minutes late...? Did he discover to be 10 minutes late w.r.t. the time goal: as soon as he crossed the finishing line? When the time in which he was supposed to cross the finishing line came and he did not crossed it yet? If the latter: did a timer/device/phone make a sound? Relevant? Did he discover it much before the latter time? Would finishing in his goal time have implied a greater effort for him than the effort he thought he has done to accomplish his goal? If so, because of the something unexpected? Would something bad have happened to him had he crossed the line in the goal time? To someone else? Would he have won the race? Would he have won a prize instead of someone else? Would he have been disqualified? Would someone else? Did he relevantly know someone of the participants? Did he expect to find him/her at the race? Relevant his work (e.g. policeman?)?

Was the race longer than expected? Were participants divided into categories before the start of the race? Relevant? Was the path of the race harder than he expected?
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Re: [WiZ] Marathon Mental

Postby WiZ » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:00 am

Was him the only one finishing the race in delay with respect to the time goal set? irrelevant Did something unexpected happened just to him? yes To someone taking part to the race? no Along the path of the race? yope Relevant where the race took place? no Was a criminal discovered? no An attack prevented? no A criminal caught? no Was someone helped finishing the race? no

Was a flash mob organized? no An "outside of the race" event? no Was the race/part of the race interrupted for 10 minutes? no Can we assume that he went at a constant speed for all the path of the race without interruptions? yes (as physically unlikely as this would be :)) Is timing relevant: e.g. he did not have a timer/ his timer was 10 minutes late...? no Did he discover to be 10 minutes late w.r.t. the time goal: as soon as he crossed the finishing line? When the time in which he was supposed to cross the finishing line came and he did not crossed it yet? irrelevant If the latter: did a timer/device/phone make a sound? Relevant? Did he discover it much before the latter time? n/a to all Would finishing in his goal time have implied a greater effort for him than the effort he thought he has done to accomplish his goal? no If so, because of the something unexpected? n/a Would something bad have happened to him had he crossed the line in the goal time? yes To someone else? no Would he have won the race? irrelevant Would he have won a prize instead of someone else? no Would he have been disqualified? no Would someone else? no Did he relevantly know someone of the participants? no Did he expect to find him/her at the race? n/a Relevant his work (e.g. policeman?)? no

Was the race longer than expected? no Were participants divided into categories before the start of the race? no Relevant? yesish Was the path of the race harder than he expected? not necessarily
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Re: [WiZ] Marathon Mental

Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:05 am

To be sure: he participated as a contestant of the race right? He made no relevant deviations to the main path and he did not have any relevant device with him (tiner/camera/phone...), right?
Relevant at which time he would have arrived had he reached his time goal? In how much time he would have finished the race? Are records relevant? Is he young? Old? Very old? Very young?

Had he reached his aim, would he have needed to wait 10 minutes? Would the puzzle work had he waited 10 minutes on the finishing line and then he crossed it after 10 minutes from his goal time?

Would something bad have happened: after the race? Before?, during? Was he aware of that? Something bad = are heart attacks relevant? Something physical? Water supplies? He would have missed something? Someone? Are other people relevant? Other contestants?

Do someone else know relevantly about his time goal?
Was he happy to have finished the race? Did he expect?
Was it the first race to which he took part? If not, was it the first time that he arrived after his time goal? Did he relevantly train to reach his time goal?

So if he went at a constant speed it means that we can assume that from the start to the end he ran at a slower speed than the one necessary to accomplish his time goal right? Hence, did he deliberately avoid to reach his time "goal"? Did he start 10 minutes later? Did he know that 10 minutes later someone would have been at the finishing line to wait him? Is he famous?
Relevant where the race took place? In which period of the year? Summer? Winter? Spring? Autumn?
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Re: [WiZ] Marathon Mental

Postby WiZ » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:50 am

To be sure: he participated as a contestant of the race right? right He made no relevant deviations to the main path and he did not have any relevant device with him (tiner/camera/phone...), right? right
Relevant at which time he would have arrived had he reached his time goal? no In how much time he would have finished the race? no Are records relevant? no Is he young? Old? Very old? Very young? all are possible, although the scenario would be more likely the older he was

Had he reached his aim, would he have needed to wait 10 minutes? yes, explore! Would the puzzle work had he waited 10 minutes on the finishing line and then he crossed it after 10 minutes from his goal time? Absolutely all other things being equal, it would have unfolded in the same way

Would something bad have happened: after the race? yes; no to rest Before?, during? Was he aware of that? before it happened? no Something bad = are heart attacks relevant? yes, RIP puzzle Something physical? yes Water supplies? no He would have missed something? yes Someone? yes Are other people relevant? yes Other contestants? yes

Do someone else know relevantly about his time goal? no
Was he happy to have finished the race? yes Did he expect? to finish? yes
Was it the first race to which he took part? irrelevant If not, was it the first time that he arrived after his time goal? n/a Did he relevantly train to reach his time goal? no

So if he went at a constant speed it means that we can assume that from the start to the end he ran at a slower speed than the one necessary to accomplish his time goal right? right Hence, did he deliberately avoid to reach his time "goal"? no Did he start 10 minutes later? no Did he know that 10 minutes later someone would have been at the finishing line to wait him? no, he didn't know Is he famous? no
Relevant where the race took place? In which period of the year? Summer? Winter? Spring? Autumn? no to all
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Re: [WiZ] Marathon Mental

Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:17 am

Someone = an ambulance? A doctor?
Were contestants followed by an ambulance? Were there cameras filming the race? Relevant? Were there doctors among other contestants? Did other contestants ask for help? Helped him? Did he run with another contestant?

Did he finish the race in an average time with respect to the other contestants? Did he cross the finishing line on his feet? Did he ask for help? Before finishing the race? After? Did he feel bad before finishing the race? Did he cross the finishing line as a contestant? I mean, maybe he felt bad during the race (had he not he would have ended up in his time goal) and was transported to the hospital which implied crossing the finishing line...(the hospital was in that direction)
Is traffic relevant? (E.g. he ended up the race 10 min late which allowed all the contestants to arrive so that the path of the race was free and the ambulance could have raced to the hospital more quickly?)
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Re: [WiZ] Marathon Mental

Postby WiZ » Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:28 am

Someone = an ambulance? no A doctor? yes
Were contestants followed by an ambulance? not as a rule Were there cameras filming the race? irrel Relevant? Were there doctors among other contestants? yes Did other contestants ask for help? no Helped him? yes Did he run with another contestant? no

Did he finish the race in an average time with respect to the other contestants? irrel, although he could not have been last Did he cross the finishing line on his feet? yes Did he ask for help? irrel Before finishing the race? After? n/a Did he feel bad before finishing the race? Possibly but irrel Did he cross the finishing line as a contestant? yes I mean, maybe he felt bad during the race (had he not he would have ended up in his time goal) and was transported to the hospital which implied crossing the finishing line...(the hospital was in that direction) no
Is traffic relevant? (E.g. he ended up the race 10 min late which allowed all the contestants to arrive so that the path of the race was free and the ambulance could have raced to the hospital more quickly?) no

I think you have it, materially

***** SPOILER *****

Seconds after crossing the finish line, he collapsed with a heart attack. A group of doctors and nurses from a local hospital happened to be immediately behind him, and were able to give him expert medical attention that saved his life. He would have had to wait 10 minutes, and possibly died, had he met his goal time.


Congratulations, Earnest, on the solution, and thank you everyone for playing!
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Re: [WiZ] Marathon Mental [COLLAPSED]

Postby Earnest » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:11 am

Wow! Didi it happen in real life?!
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