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[WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby WiZ » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:52 pm

After a year in his new job, Damon became very knowledgeable about women's shoes, handbags and makeup. But he does not work primarily with women. Explain.

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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby LemonCurry » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:36 am

Would the people he primarily works with: Sell shoes, makeup and handbags? Buy them? Talk about them? Produce them?
Are the relevant people his colleagues? bosses? customers? suppliers? Business Partners?
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby GalFisk » Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:05 am

Does he actively gather this knowledge? Is it given to him? Does he read it? Hear it? See it? Use it? Does he have a relevant ability? Disability? Does he learn about manufacturers? Brands? Prices? Fashion? Sales?
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby WiZ » Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:53 am

LemonCurry

Would the people he primarily works with: Sell shoes, makeup and handbags? Buy them? Talk about them? Produce them? no to all
Are the relevant people his colleagues? bosses? no to both customers? noish suppliers? Business Partners? no to both

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Does he actively gather this knowledge? yes Is it given to him? somewhat Does he read it? Hear it? no to both See it? yes Use it? Heh, no Does he have a relevant ability? no Disability? noish Does he learn about manufacturers? Brands? yes to both Prices? no Fashion? yes Sales? no
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby peter365 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:13 am

Does Damon's job involve research? Is it investigative in nature?
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby Earnest » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:07 pm

Does he work with men? Mannequins? Does he work with women's shoes, handbags and makeup directly? (e.g. photographer)
Are sculptures / paintings relevant? Is Japan relevant? Is discovery false relevant? Can Damon job be described as "manufacturer" job?

Do women's shoes, handbags and makeup have something in common that he need to be expert in? Make up =Are we talking about conventional woman make up? Or maybe make up for costumes? does he work with cosmetics/ face therapies? Are chemical reactions relevant? Is him a pharmacist (allergies for make up; blisters for women shoes and shoulder's problems for handbags)? Does he work in: health care? Entertainment? Food industry? Mode? Luxury? Cinema? News?

Does his knowledge allow him to: recognize someone/something? Advertise something? Attract someone? Make analyses? Deduce something? Reproduce something? Not being noticed? Fool someone? Sell more of a good?
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby WiZ » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:35 am

Peter

Does Damon's job involve research? noish Is it investigative in nature? noish

Earnest

Does he work with men? Largely Mannequins? no Does he work with women's shoes, handbags and makeup directly? (e.g. photographer) no
Are sculptures / paintings relevant? no Is Japan relevant? いいえ Is discovery false relevant? please rephrase Can Damon job be described as "manufacturer" job? no

Do women's shoes, handbags and makeup have something in common that he need to be expert in? world's most tentative yes Make up =Are we talking about conventional woman make up? yes Or maybe make up for costumes? no does he work with cosmetics/ face therapies? no Are chemical reactions relevant? no Is him a pharmacist (allergies for make up; blisters for women shoes and shoulder's problems for handbags)? no, but I like the way you think Does he work in: health care? Entertainment? Food industry? Mode? Luxury? Cinema? News? no to all

Does his knowledge allow him to: recognize someone yes/something? yes, although less relevantly Advertise something? Attract someone? no to both Make analyses? Deduce something? yope to both Reproduce something? Not being noticed? Fool someone? Sell more of a good? no to all
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby Earnest » Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:41 am

Loved the japanese answer ahahhahahaha


So, are kisses relevant? Lipstick on men's cheecks? Is make up in general relevant? Or maybe just some make'up tools are (e.g. lipstick? Guyliner? Foundation?...)
He works with men means: he works for men? Men are his collegues? Are his costumers? Are his "victims"? Are his targets? Do men wore the items? Had something to do with the items? Are criminal?

Did he mainly recognize make up, shoes and bags in pictures? If so, send by someone relevant? Are social media relevant? Does he recognize when someone wore the 3? Did he recognize them without having seen them before? After having seen them at least once? Wore by women? Are the 3 objects usually all togheter when he works (i.e. he uses his deductive abilities on them)? To be sure: are we talking about real bags, make up and shoes right (in contrast with emoticon in what's app for instance)?

recognize someone yes --> recognize men? Women? Is cheating relevant? Recognize someone from a camera?
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby irishelk » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:15 pm

Is there a relevant reason he mainly works with men? If so, is he in a profession that separates genders? That few women work in? That no women work in?

He does not work with women, but does he look at them in the course of his job? Look for them? Is he involved in law enforcement? Security? Anything else related to crime? Related to knock-offs of expensive brands?
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby WiZ » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:49 am

Earnest

Loved the japanese answer ahahhahahaha ^_^


So, are kisses relevant? Lipstick on men's cheecks? no to both Is make up in general relevant? yes Or maybe just some make'up tools are (e.g. lipstick? Guyliner? Foundation?...) no to these
He works with men means: he works for men? Men are his collegues? Are his costumers? Are his "victims"? Are his targets? Do men wore the items? Had something to do with the items? Are criminal?

Did he mainly recognize make up, shoes and bags in pictures? no If so, send by someone relevant? n/a Are social media relevant? no Does he recognize when someone wore the 3? yes Did he recognize them without having seen them before? no After having seen them at least once? yes Wore by women? yes Are the 3 objects usually all togheter when he works (i.e. he uses his deductive abilities on them)? yes To be sure: are we talking about real bags, make up and shoes right (in contrast with emoticon in what's app for instance)? Correct

recognize someone yes --> recognize men? no Women? yes Is cheating relevant? no Recognize someone from a camera? no(t relevantly)

IrishElk

Is there a relevant reason he mainly works with men? yes If so, is he in a profession that separates genders? usually no, but... That few women work in? yes, under the circumstances That no women work in? no

He does not work with women, but does he look at them in the course of his job? yes Look for them? no Is he involved in law enforcement? Security? Anything else related to crime? no to these Related to knock-offs of expensive brands? no
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby Earnest » Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:14 am

Can we assume modern times? Is any form of censorship relevant? Are religious/cultural factors relevant? Security? Search? Sport? Does he look at women from a close distance? Does he usually look at groups of women? Single women? All women wearing the 3 items together? Women with some relevant characteristic? Is some criminal activity going on? Is this type of dressing typical of criminal groups? Are discos relevant? Social events?
Does he work for someone? For the women? Are the women his clients? His "victims"? His bosses? Colleagues?
Relevant the work of the women observed? Is it usual to see them with the 3 items together? Is it a uniform? Are the 3 items standard for all the women observed? Does he want to spot a women not aligned with some standard?

Does he look the women more than once in order to do his job? Does he look women: on newspapers/magazines? In pictures? In reality? All of the previous are possible? Is the major part of his job to recognize women the second time he saw them? Do women know to be observed by him? Is it part of the women's job to wear such items?
Does Damon usually look at the woman wearing the items or is it possible that he just look at the items not being wore by anyone? If the latter is possible, is it necessary that before he had seen them wore by a woman or can he see them for the first time not wore by anyone?
Does he look at important women? Women that do not want to be recognized? Paparazzi relevant? To recognize the make up does he have to look the woman in the face?

Are shops relevant? Had a woman without make up and old handbag and shoes gone into a shop to buy a pair of shoes an handbag and to make up, would Damon know? Would he observe her before entering the shop? While trying different types of shoes/make up/handbags? After she had done her shopping? Never? Only if the woman does something relevant attracting his attention? Does he know the name of the women observed? Is he looking for something suspect? Do the 3 items reveal him the identity of the owner? Just this? Does he focus on any type of the 3 items? Or maybe just on branded shoes/handbags? Just those made of a certain material? Designed by someone?

Do the few women with which he works, do the same job as he does? Observe other women? Wore relevant shoes/handbags and make up? Had contact with the observed women? Give them the relevant items?

Does he work as: driver? Butler? Security guard? Film maker? Photographer?
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby WiZ » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:28 am

Can we assume modern times? yes Is any form of censorship relevant? yesish Are religious/cultural factors relevant? yes! Security? Search? Sport? no to these Does he look at women from a close distance? yes Does he usually look at groups of women? no Single women? yes (as in, 'individual', not 'unmarried') All women wearing the 3 items together? perhaps, but not relevantly Women with some relevant characteristic? yes Is some criminal activity going on? no Is this type of dressing typical of criminal groups? no Are discos relevant? Social events? no to both
Does he work for someone? yes For the women? no (they are not his employer) Are the women his clients? yesishHis "victims"? His bosses? Colleagues? no to rest
Relevant the work of the women observed? no Is it usual to see them with the 3 items together? irrelevant Is it a uniform? noish Are the 3 items standard for all the women observed? yes, more or less Does he want to spot a women not aligned with some standard? no

Does he look the women more than once in order to do his job? yes Does he look women: on newspapers/magazines? In pictures? In reality? this (relevantly), no to rest All of the previous are possible? possible, but perhaps not useful Is the major part of his job to recognize women the second time he saw them? no Do women know to be observed by him? yes Is it part of the women's job to wear such items? no, world's smallest ish
Does Damon usually look at the woman wearing the items yes or is it possible that he just look at the items not being wore by anyone? no If the latter is possible, is it necessary that before he had seen them wore by a woman this is more likely or can he see them for the first time not wore by anyone?
Does he look at important women? All women are important! #metoo (but, no, he doesn't look at high-profile or influential women) Women that do not want to be recognized? no Paparazzi relevant? no To recognize the make up does he have to look the woman in the face? yes

Are shops relevant? not directly Had a woman without make up and old handbag and shoes gone into a shop to buy a pair of shoes an handbag and to make up, would Damon know? As in, would he recognise her? Most likely not. Would he observe her before entering the shop? no While trying different types of shoes/make up/handbags? no After she had done her shopping? not immediately afterwards, no Never? no Only if the woman does something relevant attracting his attention? this isn't quite the right framing Does he know the name of the women observed? yes Is he looking for something suspect? no Do the 3 items reveal him the identity of the owner? yes Just this? more or less, yes Does he focus on any type of the 3 items? yes Or maybe just on branded shoes/handbags? Just those made of a certain material? Designed by someone? no to these

Do the few women with which he works, do the same job as he does? yes Observe other women? yes, in the same way he does Wore relevant shoes/handbags and make up? most probably yes Had contact with the observed women? yes Give them the relevant items? no

Does he work as: driver? Butler? Security guard? Film maker? Photographer? no to all
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby Earnest » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:48 am

Religion = muslims? Christians? Cattolics? Others? Can I invoke the list?
Is it something like "woman cannot walk alone with the 3 items if they are not accompanied by a man" so that he faked to know them in case of troubles?

Is any prohibition relevant? Any prohibition/duty regarding dressing code? Do the women observed belong to a particular religion? Are the 3 items forbidden? Do they allign with the parameters of the censorship/religion/culture? If not, die to the 3 items?

Are the women's names revealed by someone before? Is it necessary for him to know their names?
Does he look for women in order to find out something that is: not legal? Not culturally acceptable? If so, does he intervene when he find it out?
Or maybe does he want to protect the women? By censorship?

Is his employer usually a male? Someone related to the woman? The husband? The brother? If so, does he want to discover something about the woman? Her habits?

Does he look at women every day? Just some special day? Just a part of the year? The women know to be observed: do they want to be observed? Are doubles/mistaken identiities relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby WiZ » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:40 am

Religion = muslims? yes; no to rest Christians? Cattolics? Others? Can I invoke the list?
Is it something like "woman cannot walk alone with the 3 items if they are not accompanied by a man" so that he faked to know them in case of troubles? not like this, no

Is any prohibition relevant? yesish Any prohibition/duty regarding dressing code? yes (and it's somewhere between a prohibition and a duty) Do the women observed belong to a particular religion? yes Are the 3 items forbidden? no Do they allign with the parameters of the censorship/religion/culture? very much so If not, die to the 3 items? Not sure I understand the question

Are the women's names revealed by someone before? Yes Is it necessary for him to know their names? yes
Does he look for women in order to find out something that is: not legal? Not culturally acceptable? If so, does he intervene when he find it out? no to all
Or maybe does he want to protect the women? By censorship? no to both

Is his employer usually a male? yes Someone related to the woman? not relevantly, and probably not The husband? The brother? If so, does he want to discover something about the woman? Her habits? n/a to all

Does he look at women every day? no Just some special day? yes, FA lurking Just a part of the year? yope The women know to be observed: do they want to be observed? yes Are doubles/mistaken identiities relevant? no
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby Earnest » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:57 am

Are women mainly and relevantly observed while: standing? Walking? Working? Being sit? Talking? Chatting? Dressing? Undressing? Praying? Going shopping? Fo to public places? Eating? Drinking? Selling items? Have contacts with strangers? All are possible?

If the women are alligned and want to be observed: do they want to be sure that D knows that they are aligned? That D's employer knows it? So that they have access to something relevant/have no problems? That they are allowed to change the items? To buy new ones? Do women have many handbags and shoes usually?

Relevant the age of the women observed? Young age? Old age?

Clothing made in occidental countries relevant?
Are women relevantly employed somewhere? Do they relevantly work with public? Do they know to be observed from when they wake up? Are they observed an entire day usually? Just few seconds? Hours? Do the 3 items belong to them? Had they wore them before? Was it usual for them to wear such items?
Are such women relevantly newly converted to muslim?
Is a passage relevant (from a religious status to another for instance)? Are gifts relevant? Ahrems? Weddings (are there?)? Are certain women entitled to wear something and other not? Are colors relevant?

Duty: is covering the face relevant? Veil relevant? Covering every part of the body? Is the content of the handbag relevant? Praying time relevant? Ramadan? High heels? Is it possible for women to make up? To have handbags? Are the duties specifically referred to the 3 items? To other pieces of clothing? Are the employer men muslims as well? Are parties/special occasions relevant? Do the shoes reveal to D where the woman walked? Do the 3 items reveal to D if the women have observed the duties?
Are the women in muslims countries when observed? In public places?
Has D the power to arrest women? To call police and let them be arrested?

To be sure are dressing duties referred to women? To men?
Is the main aim of D's work: to make sure that such duties are observed? By women in general? By observed women all time?

women know to be observed: do they want to be observed? yes --> for safety reasons? Are they rich people? Do they want other women to allign to the same parameters?
Is it under the women power/control to be alligned or not with the clothing duties?

Is the name of the woman: registered (e.g. in a PC)? The real name? Does the name reveal something about the woman? Do muslim woman take the name of the father/husband? Are the women relevantly called by name? Is labeling relevant?
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby WiZ » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:58 pm

Are women mainly and relevantly observed while: standing? Walking? Working? no to these Being sit? Talking? yes to these Chatting? yesish Dressing? Undressing? Praying? Going shopping? Fo to public places? Eating? Drinking? Selling items? no to these Have contacts with strangers? Initially, yes, but later no All are possible? no

If the women are alligned and want to be observed: do they want to be sure that D knows that they are aligned? This isn't the point of the exercise, but they would want to be certain of this nonetheless That D's employer knows it? as above So that they have access to something relevant/have no problems? no That they are allowed to change the items? To buy new ones? no to both Do women have many handbags and shoes usually? irrel - although having a range would make things more difficult for Damon

Relevant the age of the women observed? yesish Young age? Old age? somewhere in between, as a rule :)

Clothing made in occidental countries relevant? no
Are women relevantly employed somewhere? no Do they relevantly work with public? no Do they know to be observed from when they wake up? They will know that they will have face-to-face contact with Damon on the day it happens, yes Are they observed an entire day usually? no Just few seconds? no Hours? and no :P Do the 3 items belong to them? yes Had they wore them before? Most probably, but irrelevant Was it usual for them to wear such items? yes
Are such women relevantly newly converted to muslim? no - and they are likely to have been lifelong adherents to the faith
Is a passage relevant (from a religious status to another for instance)? no Are gifts relevant? no Ahrems? no Weddings (are there?)? weddings are not relevant in the moment, although all these women will have been married Are certain women entitled to wear something and other not? irrelevant Are colors relevant? of the handbags, shoes, makeup etc., yes

Duty: is covering the face relevant? yes Veil relevant? burqa, but yes Covering every part of the body? yes Is the content of the handbag relevant? no Praying time relevant? no Ramadan? no High heels? potentially Is it possible for women to make up? yes To have handbags? yes Are the duties specifically referred to the 3 items? To other pieces of clothing? no to both Are the employer men muslims as well? yes, in most cases Are parties no/special occasions yope relevant? Do the shoes reveal to D where the woman walked? no Do the 3 items reveal to D if the women have observed the duties? no
Are the women in muslims countries when observed? yes In public places? yes
Has D the power to arrest women? no To call police and let them be arrested? irrelevant; it is unlikely he would want or need to do this

To be sure are dressing duties referred to women? yes To men? no
Is the main aim of D's work: to make sure that such duties are observed? By women in general? By observed women all time? no, this is not a major part of his work (and I'm not sure how much, if any, responsibility for this would fall to him)

women know to be observed: do they want to be observed? yes --> for safety reasons? Are they rich people? Do they want other women to allign to the same parameters? no to all
Is it under the women power/control to be alligned or not with the clothing duties? This is a sociopolitical can of worms which is fortunately irrelevant to this puzzle

Is the name of the woman: registered (e.g. in a PC)? yes The real name? yes Does the name reveal something about the woman? yes Do muslim woman take the name of the father/husband? One moment while I disappear down a Wikipedia rabbit hole on Muslim naming conventions.... no, it appears they don't, although the children do. Are the women relevantly called by name? yes Is labeling relevant? Not sure - there is a relevant relationship/status of these women which involves a label/title
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby irishelk » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:59 pm

Does Damon need to identify women by their make-up and accessories because most of their faces/hair/bodies are covered by burqa? If so, is his job primarily to identify them? Or does he have to identify them in order to do another job? Is his job to keep them safe, in any sense?

He observes them on one day--> one day a year? One day in their entire lives? Maybe more than once, but seldom?

Are they in a class of any kind? Is Damon a teacher? Are they at any kind of border or checkpoint? Are they in a court? Are they appearing on television? Or interacting with any form of media? Are the women he observes talking primarily to each other? To Damon? To other women? To other men?
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon

Postby WiZ » Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:04 am

Does Damon need to identify women by their make-up and accessories because most of their faces/hair/bodies are covered by burqa? Yes, very good If so, is his job primarily to identify them? no Or does he have to identify them in order to do another job? yes Is his job to keep them safe, in any sense? no (although he would want them to feel safe)

He observes them on one day--> one day a year? One day in their entire lives? Maybe more than once, but seldom? this

Are they in a class of any kind? yes! Is Damon a teacher? yes! Are they at any kind of border or checkpoint? Are they in a court? Are they appearing on television? Or interacting with any form of media? no to these Are the women he observes talking primarily to each other? no To Damon? yes To other women? To other men? no to both

We're there, materially

***** SPOILER *****

Damon is a Westerner who lands a job teaching in the Middle East. When talking to his students' mothers at parent-teacher interviews, he has to learn to recognise them by the few visual cues he has available - shoes, handbags, and eye make-up. He becomes quite familiar with different brands, designers and trends.


Congratulations, IrishElk, on the solution. Well done Earnest on a lot of good questions, and thank you everyone for playing!
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon [IDENTITY BORNE]

Postby irishelk » Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:44 am

Really nice one!
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Re: [WiZ] Matte Daemon [IDENTITY BORNE]

Postby Earnest » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:46 pm

Very cool one!
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