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[Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Hobbsicle » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:46 pm

A woman in good spirits waits at the train station on her way to go shopping by herself. As soon as the train arrives and the doors open, though she does not recognize anyone, she begins to cry. Why?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby WiZ » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:03 pm

Does she cry because she is happy? Sad? Scared? Exposed to an irritant?

Is it relevant what she intends to shop for? She intends to shop by herself, but is she waiting by herself?

Does she cry because of something she saw? Someone? Something she didn't see? Someone? Did the triggering event happen only after the doors opened? Did she come to a realisation (perhaps because something has now been cast in a new light or a new piece of information has been revealed)?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby GalFisk » Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:44 am

Was the train full of sliced onions? Did she anticipate that she might cry? Did she end up going on the shopping trip as planned? Did she only pretend to be crying?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Hobbsicle » Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:15 pm

WiZ

Does she cry because she is happy? Sad? This Scared? Exposed to an irritant?

Is it relevant what she intends to shop for? No She intends to shop by herself, but is she waiting by herself? Assume yes

Does she cry because of something she saw? No Someone? Something she didn't see? No Someone? Did the triggering event happen only after the doors opened? Yes, or around that time anyway Did she come to a realisation (perhaps because something has now been cast in a new light or a new piece of information has been revealed)? Yes

GalFisk

Was the train full of sliced onions? Yes, but irrelevant (just kidding, assume no) Did she anticipate that she might cry? No, maybe small ish Did she end up going on the shopping trip as planned? Sort of irrelevant, but she might have Did she only pretend to be crying? No
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby irishelk » Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:56 pm

Going to PM a WAG.
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Earnest » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:30 pm

Had she recognised someone would she be have been hapoy? Did she expect to recognise someone?

WAG --> she secretely loved a soldier. The train came to a war border line and was the train of survivors. She did not recognise the soldier she loved and realised that ge was dead
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Zanreo » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:47 am

Something about the train itself relevant?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby peter365 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:16 am

Time or location relevant? Does the train make a relevant sound? Is there an annoucement over a tannoy? Is the destination or departure point of the train relevant? Is their any relevant advertising on the train or platform?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Hobbsicle » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:36 pm

Irishelk

Going to PM a WAG. You pretty much got it, minus a detail.

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Had she recognised someone would she be have been hapoy? Yope Did she expect to recognise someone? Yope

WAG --> she secretely loved a soldier. The train came to a war border line and was the train of survivors. She did not recognise the soldier she loved and realised that ge was dead No to this

Zanreo

Something about the train itself relevant? No

peter365

Time or location relevant? No Does the train make a relevant sound? Not the train itself, but... Is there an annoucement over a tannoy? Yes Is the destination or departure point of the train relevant? No Is their any relevant advertising on the train or platform? No
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Balin » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:39 pm

Is the train crowded? Empty? Relevant?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Hobbsicle » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:35 am

Is the train crowded? Empty? Relevant? Not relevant, probably not empty, though
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Earnest » Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:25 am

Billboards relevant? Relevant the reason why she was at the train station? Relevant where she was before? Did she want to take a train? Did she omow someone working on the train? Railroader? Controller? Others? Relevant the previous stops of the train? Did she deduce something from the emptiness of the train? Was it the last train of the day? Was the train a train that is scheduled every day? Does she see the train arrive every day? Was it a special day? Did other trains relevantly arrive? Was she interested in that train particularly? Was it a terminus? Or a passing train station? Was the train station near her house? Did she already take a train? Did she look for someone in the train?

Did she cry of: desperation? Happiness? Relief? Others? Did she cry because of something related to her making shopping after? Did she go shopping after she cried? Relevant?

Was the announcement about trains? A change on the platform? On schedule? About strikes? About her? Marriage proposal? Flash mob?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Zanreo » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:29 am

Was the message about something that had happened to the place she was heading to? Or not directly related, but she understood it would affect this?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby peter365 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:22 am

Does she recognise the voice on the tannoy? Is a pre-recorded announcemernt and the person making it had since died?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:45 am

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Billboards relevant? No Relevant the reason why she was at the train station? No Relevant where she was before? No Did she want to take a train? Yes Did she omow someone working on the train? No Railroader? Controller? Others? Relevant the previous stops of the train? No Did she deduce something from the emptiness of the train? No Was it the last train of the day? No or irrel Was the train a train that is scheduled every day? Yes or irrel Does she see the train arrive every day? Probably not, but she would likely be familiar enough with it Was it a special day? No Did other trains relevantly arrive? No Was she interested in that train particularly? No Was it a terminus? Or a passing train station? Irrel Was the train station near her house? Irrel Did she already take a train? No Did she look for someone in the train? No

Did she cry of: desperation? Happiness? Relief? Others? This Did she cry because of something related to her making shopping after? No Did she go shopping after she cried? Relevant? Not particularly relevant, probably

Was the announcement about trains? Yes-ish A change on the platform? Yes-ish On schedule? About strikes? About her? Marriage proposal? Flash mob? Technically, the exact announcement is irrelevant, but I had something in mind

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Was the message about something that had happened to the place she was heading to? No Or not directly related, but she understood it would affect this? No

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Does she recognise the voice on the tannoy? NO Is a pre-recorded announcemernt YES and the person making it had since died? NO, but very much OTRT
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:58 am

Was the announcenent about her? About where to fibd soneone? Did she know the voice of the previous announcer?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:45 pm

Was the announcenent about her? No About where to fibd soneone? No Did she know the voice of the previous announcer? If I understand you, YES
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby GalFisk » Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:03 am

So a live announcer had been replaced by an automated system, and this made her realize something sad? Did she know the previous announcer? Was the previous announcer HAM? HAF? Relevant? Does the replacement mean the previous announcer is: dead? Fired? Retred? Sick? Has changed jobs? Has moved?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Hobbsicle » Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:51 am

So a live announcer had been replaced by an automated system, Well, one prerecorded announcement was replaced with another and this made her realize something sad? But yes Did she know the previous announcer? YES Was the previous announcer HAM? This HAF? Relevant? Sort of, yes, though there could be other similar scenarios, I suppose Does the replacement mean the previous announcer is: dead? It doesn’t mean this, but this is very relevant Fired? Retred? Sick? Has changed jobs? Has moved?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Zanreo » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:23 am

Did she THINK the previous announcer had died, or might have died? Gotten hurt? She knew the previous announcer: was the announcer her friend? Her boyfriend? Husband? Her son? Other family member?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Hobbsicle » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:00 am

Did she THINK the previous announcer had died, or might have died? More than thinking, actually Gotten hurt? She knew the previous announcer: was the announcer her friend? Her boyfriend? Husband? This Her son? Other family member? Though it could have been someone else close to her
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Earnest » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:18 am

Did she know that the previous announcer had died? Relevant how he died? Throat cancer? Natural disease? Other causes? Did the previous announcer actually died? Risk to die? If the previous announcer died, was his voice substituted soon after he died? Months after? Years after? Minutes after?

Ok I'll explain you my doubt: the whole point is that the voice was pre-recorded. Hence, at least in principle, it makes not much difference if the announcer had died or not I guess. So the fact that his voice was substituted might mean something else than his death. My q. is then: Is the fact that his voice was not more used a sign of something else (e.g. the fact that he lost his job and risked to die)? Was his voice associated to something else (e.g. political regimes or maybe simply the fact that the schedule of trains had changed...)? Was his voice used somewhere else? Relevant why his voice was no more used even though it was pre-recorded? Did the announcement system change? Trains' schedule? Can we assume that the new voice repeated the exact same words told by her husband? Was the pre recorded voice of his husband exploited just in that particular station? Also in other? Relevant? If so, was the voice substituted also in the other stations? By the same new voice?

Was it the first time she heard the new voice? The first time she took a train after the voice of the tannoy had changed? Did she expect to hear the new voice? Relevant how the new voice sounded like?
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Hobbsicle » Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:43 am

Did she know that the previous announcer had died? Yes Relevant how he died? No Throat cancer? Natural disease? Other causes? Did the previous announcer actually died? YesRisk to die? If the previous announcer died, was his voice substituted soon after he died? Months after? Years after? This, most likely Minutes after?

Ok I'll explain you my doubt: the whole point is that the voice was pre-recorded. Hence, at least in principle, it makes not much difference if the announcer had died or not I guess. To whom? To the station? Yes, he had died a while ago So the fact that his voice was substituted might mean something else than his death. It might to the station, but actually, their reasons for doing so are largely irrelevant. Assume they just updated it for some mundane reason or other. My q. is then: Is the fact that his voice was not more used a sign of something else (e.g. the fact that he lost his job and risked to die)? Was his voice associated to something else (e.g. political regimes or maybe simply the fact that the schedule of trains had changed...)? So no or irrel to rest Was his voice used somewhere else? It was, but irrel Relevant why his voice was no more used even though it was pre-recorded? No, as per above Did the announcement system change? Trains' schedule? Can we assume that the new voice repeated the exact same words told by her husband? You can, though there could have been a slight change perhaps Was the pre recorded voice of his husband exploited just in that particular station? Also in other? Relevant? It was in multiple, but not relevant If so, was the voice substituted also in the other stations? Possibly not, but maybe By the same new voice?

Was it the first time she heard the new voice? Yes The first time she took a train after the voice of the tannoy had changed? Yes Did she expect to hear the new voice? No Relevant how the new voice sounded like? No

I think the pieces may all be in place, but if someone wants to synthesize it for the solve
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby Hobbsicle » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:33 pm

I think we have what we need for a...

********SPOILER********

The woman’s husband was the voice on many of the pre-recorded announcements played on the loudspeakers at the train station, including the “Mind the Gap” (or “Watch Your Step”) announcement when the train arrives. Sadly, her husband had passed away a couple of years ago, but she found the presence of his voice comforting when she travelled. Unfortunately, they recently updated their recordings, so when the train arrives, and she hears an unfamiliar voice, she is newly heartbroken.


This is a true story of the wife of the man who did the “Mind the gap” announcement (and other things) for the London Undeground, I believe. The wife also did recorded announcements. The only difference with the true story is that she discovered the voice change when a friend told her about it. She said “it felt like losing him all over again”.

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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline (CROSSED OVER)

Postby Earnest » Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:13 am

Wow...sad story...very original though
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Re: [Hobbsicle] Borderline

Postby peter365 » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:16 am

Nice puzzle Hobbsicle
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