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[invisiblemimsy] Classic style puzzle

Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:00 pm

A man is found dead, on a mattress, wearing only his underwear.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Classic style puzzle

Postby Earnest » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:36 am

Was him in a room? An hotel room? Was the mattress dirtied of blood? Was him murdered? Was he lying on the mattress? Did someone bring him there? If so was him already death when he was brought to the mattress?

Did someone took off his clothes? Before his death? After? If not, did he took them off because he was in danger?
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Postby Zanreo » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:44 am

Was the mattress on a bed? On the floor? Somewhere else? Anything else relevant on the mattress besides the man?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:49 pm

Earnest wrote:Was him in a room? yes An hotel room? no Was the mattress dirtied of blood? no Was him murdered? no Was he lying on the mattress? yes Did someone bring him there? no If so was him already death when he was brought to the mattress? so no, he died on the mattress

Did someone took off his clothes? he took them off himself Before his death? yes After? If not, did he took them off because he was in danger? no
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Classic style puzzle

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:53 pm

Zanreo wrote:Was the mattress on a bed? On the floor? Irrel Somewhere else? Anything else relevant on the mattress besides the man? Yes
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Classic style puzzle

Postby Zanreo » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:20 pm

Other things on mattress: his clothes? Something belonging to him? To someone else?
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Postby Earnest » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:25 am

A weapon on mattress? Blood? A spot? Pills? Another death man? A woman? His clothes? Drug? Alchol?

Was it evident how the man died? Poisoned? Stabbed? He was shot? By hanging? Suffocated (maybe with a plastic bag)? Electroshock? Drawn? By hunger/thirst? From a disease? A virus? Something was broken on his head? Was his death slow? Rapid? Relevant?

Was the man "free to move" (I mean...did he have ropes that chianed him to the mattress?)? To be sure, is it common to find a mattress in the place where he was found dead? Was it in outside? Inside? In a place of work? In a public place? Inside his house? Someone else's house?

Was the man killed by others? Did he commit suicide? Did he took off his clothes because it was hot (too cold...and he died for that reason)? He was in intimacy with a woman? He normally take off clothes when coming back home? He planned to do a bath/have a shower? He wanted to show a tattoo? He wanted to give a clue to police? He was asked to take off the clothes by someone (e.g. to prove he did not hide weapons or something)? His murderer? Were his clothes present in the same place where he was? To avoid getting caught on something? The clothes were wet? Were dirty? Did burn? Relevant what he was wearing? A uniform? Normal clothing?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Classic style puzzle

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:47 pm

Zanreo wrote:Other things on mattress: his clothes? Assume his clothes were discarded on the floor or the back of a chair or something. Something belonging to him? yes To someone else?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Classic style puzzle

Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:12 pm

Earnest wrote:A weapon on mattress? Blood? A spot? Pills? Another death man? A woman? His clothes? Drug? Alchol? No to all. His clothes were on the floor near the mattress.

Was it evident how the man died? It's not obvious how he died, hence the puzzle. Poisoned? Stabbed? He was shot? By hanging? Suffocated (maybe with a plastic bag)? Electroshock? Drawn? By hunger/thirst? From a disease? A virus? Something was broken on his head? No to all Was his death slow? Rapid? The process would've been slow. Relevant? yes

Was the man "free to move" yes (I mean...did he have ropes that chianed him to the mattress?)? no To be sure, is it common to find a mattress in the place where he was found dead? Yes, the mattress was on the floor of his bedroom. He would normally have slept on it each night. Was it in outside? Inside? yes In a place of work? In a public place? Inside his house? this Someone else's house?

Was the man killed by others? no Did he commit suicide? not deliberately, but explore Did he took off his clothes because it was hot (too cold...and he died for that reason)? He took his clothes off for a reason, but the room was an average temperature He was in intimacy with a woman? no He normally take off clothes when coming back home? He planned to do a bath/have a shower? He wanted to show a tattoo? [He wanted to give a clue to police? He was asked to take off the clothes by someone (e.g. to prove he did not hide weapons or something)? His murderer? No or N/R to all Were his clothes present in the same place where he was? yes To avoid getting caught on something? The clothes were wet? Were dirty? Did burn? no to all Relevant what he was wearing? It's relevant that he had no clothes on A uniform? no Normal clothing? yes
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Classic style puzzle

Postby Zanreo » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:34 pm

Did he get killed because of something on the mattress? Inside the mattress? Something about the mattress relevant? Would he not have died if he was wearing clothes?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:10 pm

Zanreo wrote:Did he get killed because of something on the mattress? Inside the mattress? Something about the mattress relevant? No to all - the mattress was simply the location of his death Would he not have died if he was wearing clothes? Assume no, and the lack of clothes is relevant to his death
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Classic style puzzle

Postby Zanreo » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:06 am

Did he take his clothes off to sleep? Did he usually sleep in only his underwear? Did he die in his sleep? If so, was it night when he slept? Relevant? Did the temperature in the room change before he died? Did it suddenly turn too cold and he froze to death? Or did it stay the same temperature the whole time? Did something enter the room while he was there?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:42 am

Were the clothes the cause of his death? A gas leak? A chemical reaction? An allergy? Was the cause of his death inside the house? Hypnosis relevant? Sleepwalking? Dis he take the clothes off with calm? Rapidly? Were the clothes bent near the matress? Or put randomly there? Was he looking for something inside them?

Did he know the cause of his death? Did he take his clothes off being aware that he was going to die? Did he take his clothes off to give a clue to police? Can we assume that there were no wounds nor other modifications (e.g. stings, scrubs, something on the skin, something indicating an allergy...) on his body with respect to when he took his clothes off? Would anyone take the clothes off in his situation? Had he not taken his clothes off would he have died? Blood circulation relevant? Something penetrating in his body relevant? Was he looking for something onn his body? On his clothes? Sun relevant? Were clothing stopping blood to flow? Had he just taken off a part of his clothing, would the puzzle still work? Necktie relevant? Would he have changed his clothing before dying? Or he took them off waiting to die? Would he have taken a shower? Were the clothing a costume? Any scarf on his body?

To be sure he was not wearing a cassock or let's say a "unique" piece of clothing so that once taken off it he would be just with underwear right?


To be sure: did he commit suicide? Was he murdered?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Classic style puzzle

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:09 pm

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Zanreo wrote:Did he get killed because of something on the mattress? Inside the mattress? Something about the mattress relevant? No to all - the mattress was simply the location of his death Would he not have died if he was wearing clothes? Assume no, and the lack of clothes is relevant to his death


I made an error here: There WAS something relevant about the mattress.
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Classic style puzzle

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:16 pm

Zanreo wrote:Did he take his clothes off to sleep? Not for this reason, no Did he usually sleep in only his underwear? Irrel Did he die in his sleep? no If so, was it night when he slept? Relevant? the time of day was irrel Did the temperature in the room change before he died? no Did it suddenly turn too cold and he froze to death? no, but explore Or did it stay the same temperature the whole time? yes, but explore Did something enter the room while he was there? no
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:35 pm

Earnest wrote:Were the clothes the cause of his death? A gas leak? A chemical reaction? this An allergy? Was the cause of his death inside the house? yes Hypnosis relevant? Sleepwalking? Dis he take the clothes off with calm? Rapidly? Were the clothes bent near the matress? Or put randomly there? Was he looking for something inside them? no or irrel to all

Did he know the cause of his death? he probably knew the risk, at least to some extent Did he take his clothes off being aware that he was going to die? not for this reason Did he take his clothes off to give a clue to police? no Can we assume that there were no wounds nor other modifications No, we CAN'T assume that! (e.g. stings, scrubs, something on the skin, this something indicating an allergy...) not an allergy but OTRT on his body with respect to when he took his clothes off? Would anyone take the clothes off in his situation? yes Had he not taken his clothes off would he have died? assume no Blood circulation relevant? assume no Something penetrating in his body relevant? no, but explore Was he looking for something onn his body? his body is relevant, but he wasn't searching for anything On his clothes? Sun relevant? Were clothing stopping blood to flow? no Had he just taken off a part of his clothing, would the puzzle still work? in theory, but he would still have had to take off most of his clothing I think Necktie relevant? Would he have changed his clothing before dying? Or he took them off waiting to die? Would he have taken a shower? Were the clothing a costume? Any scarf on his body? no and irrel to all

To be sure he was not wearing a cassock or let's say a "unique" piece of clothing so that once taken off it he would be just with underwear right? assume ordinary clothes


To be sure: did he commit suicide? no but the puzzle would still work if he had Was he murdered? no
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Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:55 pm

Did he feel any itch? Is the tisseu/material of the clothes relevant? Did he wear the clothes before? Were they new? Relevant his profession? Did he made a CAT? Did he took a medicine? Did he wash relevantly the clothes? In taking off the clothes did he hope to: find out the cause of his discomfort? Calm down the itch? Make the skin breath? Apply a lotion on his body? See if there was something on his skin? The color of his skin?
Did he look something in particular on his body?

Chemical reaction with the clothing? With some bacteria? Virus? Skin irritation relevant? Did he made vaccination? An injection? Diabet relevant? Did he have a relevant disease? Did he eat something he should have not? Had a contact with somethi g he should have not?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:17 pm

Earnest wrote:Did he feel any itch? "pain" is a better word, but beware F/A Is the tisseu/material of the clothes relevant? Did he wear the clothes before? Were they new? Relevant his profession? no to all Did he made a CAT? What is a "CAT"? Did he took a medicine? no, but explore Did he wash relevantly the clothes? no In taking off the clothes did he hope to: find out the cause of his discomfort? Calm down the itch? Make the skin breath? no to these Apply a lotion on his body? OTRT but not a lotion See if there was something on his skin? yesish The color of his skin? yesish
Did he look something in particular on his body? yesish

Chemical reaction yes... with the clothing? With some bacteria? Virus? ... but not with these Skin irritation relevant? yes Did he made vaccination? An injection? Diabet relevant? Did he have a relevant disease? Did he eat something he should have not? no to these Had a contact with somethi g he should have not? What do you mean?
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Postby trebor » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:30 pm

Did he put the thing on his skin himself? Is it more appropriate to say the stuff was put into him rather than onto? Was it medication? If so, prescription? Was he taking drugs (not medicinal)? Alcohol relevant?

Would most other people who did the same thing he did have died? Or suffered somehow? Did he do what he did for pleasure? To alleviate discomfort? To help himself sleep? Calamine lotion relevant? Did the stuff he put on his body directly cause his death? Indirectly?

Is the bed a waterbed? Is it relevant what the mattress is made of? What size it is? Whether any insects/mites were living in it? Bed bugs relevant?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 04, 2019 5:55 am

CAT is Computed Tomography I guess...

Did he relevantly apply something on his body? A medicine? An ointment? If so before he felt the pain? After? Did it cause the reaction to take place? Was him aware about the risk of dying because: someone said to him? He did sign something? Did he undergo a medical treatment? Did he die for something that he made differently from his every day life in that particular day?
Did he touch something relevantly? Are plants relevant?
Did he made a lamp? Did he feel like his skin was burning? Was he skinned?
Did the chemical reaction caused: suffocation? High fever? Intoxication? Heart attack?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:00 pm

trebor wrote:Did he put the thing on his skin himself? Yes Is it more appropriate to say the stuff was put into him rather than onto? Onto Was it medication? no If so, prescription? Was he taking drugs (not medicinal)? no Alcohol relevant? no

Would most other people who did the same thing he did have died? not necessarily but they could have done, it would depend Or suffered somehow? yes Did he do what he did for pleasure? No To alleviate discomfort? laterally speaking, yes To help himself sleep? no Calamine lotion relevant? no Did the stuff he put on his body directly cause his death? Indirectly? indirectly

Is the bed a waterbed? Is it relevant what the mattress is made of? What size it is? Whether any insects/mites were living in it? Bed bugs relevant? no to all, but there is something about the mattress which is relevant and could help you
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:14 pm

Earnest wrote:CAT is Computed Tomography I guess... no

Did he relevantly apply something on his body? yes A medicine? no An ointment? no If so before he felt the pain? After? before, during and after Did it cause the reaction to take place? yes Was him aware about the risk of dying because: someone said to him? no He did sign something? Did he undergo a medical treatment? Did he die for something that he made differently from his every day life in that particular day? no to all
Did he touch something relevantly? yes Are plants relevant? no
Did he made a lamp? no Did he feel like his skin was burning? yes Was he skinned? no
Did the chemical reaction caused: suffocation? High fever? Intoxication? none of these Heart attack? ultimately this
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Postby irishelk » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:24 pm

Did the chemical reaction cause heat? Did he feel too hot? And take his clothes off for that reason? Was he on fire at some point? Or was there fire in the room?

Is the other thing on his mattress what he put on his skin? Was there a pre-existing chemical in or on the mattress?

Are there sheets on the mattress? Blankets on him? Pillow(s)? Relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:50 pm

irishelk wrote:Did the chemical reaction cause heat? yes Did he feel too hot? And take his clothes off for that reason? Was he on fire at some point? Or was there fire in the room? no to these

Is the other thing on his mattress what he put on his skin? yes Was there a pre-existing chemical in or on the mattress? pre-existing relative to when? Timescale/series of events is relevant

Are there sheets on the mattress? Blankets on him? Pillow(s)? Relevant? all irrelevant
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Postby Earnest » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:39 am

Was the heat all over his body? To be sure did he touch an animal? A plant? Something solid? Something gas? Liquid? Something poisonous? A fire? Did he touch the relevant thing with an hand? A foot? A relevant body part? Did he fall on the relevant thing? Did he apply a spray on his body? Breaking bones relevant (I know it feels hot when someone broke a bone)?
Chemical reaction due to contrast heat vs cold? If so cold = from what he applies on his body? Did he apply ice?
Is electricity relevant at all here? Electric shock? Rubbing on a rough surface relevant? Falling on asphalt? Touching someone ill/with a disease? Did the skin modify due to the heat he felt? Or did he think so? Was the heat feeling just temporary? Would he have died for that (had he not applied the thing on the mattress?)?
Was the chemical reaction with a poisonous substance? A substance produced by his body?

Did someone else touch the same thing/s ? Was it an accident? Did he touch the thing wearing his clothes? Did he touch it accidentally?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:27 pm

Earnest wrote:Was the heat all over his body? A large part of it by the end, perhaps the majority, exact amount irr To be sure did he touch an animal? A plant? Something solid? yes Something gas? Liquid? yes Something poisonous? A fire? no to the others Did he touch the relevant thing with an hand? yes A foot? A relevant body part? very much so Did he fall on the relevant thing? Did he apply a spray on his body? Breaking bones relevant (I know it feels hot when someone broke a bone)? no to these
Chemical reaction yes due to contrast heat vs cold? otrt If so cold = from what he applies on his body? yes Did he apply ice? and yes!
Is electricity relevant at all here? Electric shock? Rubbing on a rough surface relevant? Falling on asphalt? Touching someone ill/with a disease? no to these Did the skin modify due to the heat he felt? yes Or did he think so? Was the heat feeling just temporary? yope Would he have died for that not necessarily (had he not applied the thing on the mattress?)? FA re mattress
Was the chemical reaction with a poisonous substance? no, the harm was due to something else A substance produced by his body? no, but his body's reaction is relevant

Did someone else touch the same thing/s ? Other people in the world do this, but that's irrelevant to him Was it an accident? no Did he touch the thing wearing his clothes? no Did he touch it accidentally? no, deliberately

Great questions!
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Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:48 am

Did he touch an hot pot? Is the something he touched hot by nature? Hot once heated? E.g. boiling water? Boiling oil? After he touched it with an hand, did he relevantly spill the liquid all over his body? He touched the something with the hand right? So I assume he burned his hand somehow, correct? If so, is the burn on the hand the main cause of his feeling heat all over his body?or maybe, as I asked above, he spilled the liquid all over his body due to the burn he felt on the hand (so the touch with the hand was the indirect cause of the heat)?

Did his body had a shock?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:12 pm

Earnest wrote:Did he touch an hot pot? no Is the something he touched hot by nature? not usually, but... Hot once heated? no E.g. boiling water? Boiling oil? no After he touched it with an hand, did he relevantly spill the liquid all over his body? FA, and that's not how this worked He touched the something with the hand right? yes So I assume he burned his hand somehow, correct? no If so, is the burn on the hand the main cause of his feeling heat all over his body? most of his body gets burned, but not the hands or maybe, as I asked above, he spilled the liquid all over his body FA, that's not how this worked due to the burn he felt on the hand his hands were not burned (so the touch with the hand was the indirect cause of the heat)? no, or only in the sense that he used his hands to do the thing which ultimately killed him

Did his body had a shock? Not an electric shock. Medically, you could say he 'went into shock' not long before he died. Don't get bogged down with this though
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Postby trebor » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:53 am

So he touched something with his hand? With both hands? Relevant which hand? His dominant hand? Did he pick the thing up? Grasp it? Drop it? Brush his hand against it? Uh, pet it? Was the thing alive? Dead? Is it a household item? Something that he commonly had in his house/bedroom/bed? Did he know that touching it could lead to burning? Is his profession relevant? Is there anything unusual about his house? Is the location of it relevant?

Is it relevant what the mattress is made of? Whether it had been used by someone else? Coils in it relevant? The size?

Just for clarity for my sake, is the thing he touched with his hand the same thing he put on his body? If not, did both things cause burning? Was it the ice that caused the burning? An ice burn? Or frostbite?

Did the man start hallucinating sometime here?
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Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:24 am

The something is solid and liquid right (I mean the something causing the heat)? Does it mean that it has a solid part and a liquid part? If so is the liquid water? A poisonous liquid? An hot liquid? Did he touch the dolid part? The liquid? Is the heat provoked by a sensation he felt or by a natural body reaction to the something he touched? If the latter, would anyone have the same reaction? Did he feel the heat in some relevant oarts of his body? The ones he touched with the hand that touched the object? Is the object an every day object? Is it mainly found in houses? In kitchens? Public places? Work places? Streets? Supermarkets? Airports? Restaurants? Hotels? Others?

Did he feel the heat as soon as he touched the object? After he made something relevant? Maybe with his hand (e.g. he touched a squeezed chili pepper than he touched his eyes with the same hand? Or maybe he licked his fingers? Something similar?)? Did he eat something very spicy?

Was the heat due to fever? Did he get wet?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:42 pm

trebor wrote:So he touched something with his hand? With both hands? Relevant which hand? His dominant hand? either or both, not relevant which Did he pick the thing up? yes Grasp it? yes Drop it? Brush his hand against it? Uh, pet it? no or n/r to these Was the thing alive? Dead? neither Is it a household item? yes Something that he commonly had in his house/bedroom/bed? house, but not customarily in the bedroom Did he know that touching it could lead to burning? yes Is his profession relevant? no Is there anything unusual about his house? no Is the location of it relevant? no

Is it relevant what the mattress is made of? Whether it had been used by someone else? Coils in it relevant? The size? none of these, though the mattress has one relevant thing about it

Just for clarity for my sake, is the thing he touched with his hand the same thing he put on his body? yes If not, did both things cause burning? yes Was it the ice that caused the burning? An ice burn? Or frostbite? yes to all

Did the man start hallucinating sometime here? no
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Classic style puzzle

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:53 pm

Earnest wrote:The something is solid and liquid right (I mean the something causing the heat)? Does it mean that it has a solid part and a liquid part? If so is the liquid water? per trebor's guess... one part is ice... which is solid and can become liquid A poisonous liquid? An hot liquid? no to these Did he touch the dolid part? yes The liquid? so yes Is the heat provoked by a sensation he felt or by a natural body reaction to the something he touched? both If the latter, would anyone have the same reaction? yes Did he feel the heat in some relevant oarts of his body? yes The ones he touched with the hand that touched the object? yesish, beware possible FA Is the object an every day object? yes Is it mainly found in houses? yes In kitchens? yes Public places? Work places? Streets? Supermarkets? yes Airports? Restaurants? yes Hotels? Others?

Did he feel the heat as soon as he touched the object? within a few seconds, beware same possible FAAfter he made something relevant? yes Maybe with his hand (e.g. he touched a squeezed chili pepper than he touched his eyes with the same hand? not this, but there is a procedure Or maybe he licked his fingers? Something similar?)? Did he eat something very spicy? no to these

Was the heat due to fever? no Did he get wet? yes
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Classic style puzzle

Postby trebor » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:00 pm

Is there more to the object than it just being an ice cube/bag of ice? Was it an ice pack? Was he applying it to reduce swelling? To inhibit blood flow?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:30 am

trebor wrote:Is there more to the object than it just being an ice cube/bag of ice? Yes Was it an ice pack? no Was he applying it to reduce swelling? no To inhibit blood flow? no
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Classic style puzzle

Postby trebor » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:10 am

If someone were to walk into the bedroom now, with the dead man on the bed, would the part-ice object be visible? Would it still be there? Would it have completely melted? Partially? Would it still be usable? Would the water have damaged the rest of it? Would the ice be melted?

Is it an object that requires refrigeration? Is it an appliance? A cooler? Is it used for preserving food? For preparing food? Is it an ice cube tray? Is the time period relevant?

Was there a benefit that he perceived to him applying this thing to his skin which outweighed the potential negative outcome? Was he already in danger when he did this?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Classic style puzzle

Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:58 am

Is it relevant that too much cold can became hot?
The object is mainly found in fridges? Is ice in cubes? Ice packs? A bath full of ice? Instant ice pack (which I guess has a chemical component to make it "instant"? Maybe he did not realize how to make it cold instantly? Did he take the ice directly from the fridge? Or somewhere else (if it was instant ice pack)?
Did he suffer from some relevant disease?

Did he put on his body the ice in the same form that made him feel the heat (e.g. instant ice made him fell heat and ice in cubes on his body)? Did he take the ice with hands and put it on his body directly? Or maybe he put it somewhere else and then came in contact with it? Did he feel the heat while with clothes on? Or after he threw off the clothing?

Oh...maybe he had a waterbed? If so can it relevantly be heated/cooled? Did he cool it? Heat it? With ice?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:41 pm

trebor wrote:If someone were to walk into the bedroom now, with the dead man on the bed, would the part-ice object be visible? to some extent Would it still be there? part of it would Would it have completely melted? the ice would've melted Partially? the ice would have melted completely Would it still be usable? no Would the water have damaged the rest of it? not the other thing, but... Would the ice be melted? ... yes, and the mattress would be wet. This is the noticeable/relevant thing about the mattress.

Is it an object that requires refrigeration? Well, the ice did obviously, but the other thing didn't. Is it an appliance? no A cooler? no Is it used for preserving food? it can be For preparing food? it can be Is it an ice cube tray? no Is the time period relevant? Assume he took several hours, exact time irr.

Was there a benefit that he perceived to him applying this thing to his skin which outweighed the potential negative outcome? he thought so, although others wouldn't agree. Was he already in danger when he did this? not really, though he had probably done this on previous occasions. The danger increased with time.
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:55 pm

Earnest wrote:Is it relevant that too much cold can became hot? Yes
The object is mainly found in fridges? The ice is. Is ice in cubes? Yes Ice packs? A bath full of ice? There is no bath. He was on his bed. Instant ice pack (which I guess has a chemical component to make it "instant"? No, he used ice cubes Maybe he did not realize how to make it cold instantly? He knew exactly how to do it Did he take the ice directly from the fridge? Freezer, yes Or somewhere else (if it was instant ice pack)?
Did he suffer from some relevant disease? Good question! He suffered from a 'disorder'.

Did he put on his body the ice in the same form that made him feel the heat (e.g. instant ice made him fell heat and ice in cubes on his body)? yes Did he take the ice with hands and put it on his body directly? yes Or maybe he put it somewhere else and then came in contact with it? Did he feel the heat while with clothes on? no Or after he threw off the clothing? It was necessary for him to remove all or most of his clothing in order to do this thing.

Oh...maybe he had a waterbed? If so can it relevantly be heated/cooled? Did he cool it? Heat it? With ice? No to all and irr.
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Postby Earnest » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:00 am

To be sure I understand this: relevant object that cause the heat = ice = the only object involved? If not is the other object: salt? Chilly? Something that reacts with ice (e.g. it becomes colder than ice? It makes a chemical reaction?)? A spice? Oil? A chemical? Something that he was allergic to? That he could not touch? Is it sweet? Can it be considered edible? Did he eat it? Did he touch it with his hand? Did it fall? Did it spread all over the kitchen? A bottle of something? Alchol relevant? A detergent? Something he could not touch directly? Is it normal to find the object in the form solid + liquid? Or maybe the solid part was a precaution he took not to be in direct contact with the object? Is the liquid part of the object inside the solid part? Viceversa? Did he feel heat as soon as he touched the object (did he touch it?)? As soon as he came in contact with the liquid part of it? Maybe he had psoriasis or something on his skin and some salt came in contact with it (e.g. salt on wounds is always very painful)?
A box? Microwave relevant?

Disorder (which is not the cause of his death right? Was it the cause of his heat feeling?) = skin disorder? A disease? Congestion (after the ice application)? Was he albino? Hairless?

Did he put the ice on his body after lying down on the bed? Or maybe he put the ice cubes somewhere relevantly before applying to his body (e.g. in a mchine to transform them in ice form or to cool down the machine...)? Did he put the ice inside the remaining clothing? Did he put the ice cubes in the clothes that he threw off (e.g. he used them as sort of ice boxes)? Did he want to hydrate his skin?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:16 am

Btw, it wouldn't work with an ice pack (assuming you mean those freezable plastic things which you can use in picnic/cool boxes). It had to be ice.

Earnest wrote:To be sure I understand this: relevant object that cause the heat = ice = the only object involved? If not is the other object: salt? THIS! Chilly? Something that reacts with ice (e.g. it becomes colder than ice? It makes a chemical reaction?)? Yes indeed! A spice? Oil? A chemical? Something that he was allergic to? That he could not touch? Is it sweet? Can it be considered edible? Did he eat it? No or NR Did he touch it with his hand? Yes Did it fall? Did it spread all over the kitchen? A bottle of something? Alchol relevant? A detergent? No to these Something he could not touch directly? He did touch it Is it normal to find the object in the form solid + liquid? The ice is solid, obviously, but melts. The salt is solid but slowly dissolves. Rock salt would work best. Or maybe the solid part was a precaution he took not to be in direct contact with the object? Is the liquid part of the object inside the solid part? Viceversa? No to these Did he feel heat as soon as he touched the object (did he touch it?)? the reaction would begin within about 10 seconds As soon as he came in contact with the liquid part of it? Maybe he had psoriasis or something on his skin and some salt came in contact with it no (e.g. salt on wounds is always very painful)? Irr, although the chemical reaction itself is painful.
A box? Microwave relevant? No

Disorder (which is not the cause of his death right? Well, ultimately it was, but indirectly Was it the cause of his heat feeling?) = skin disorder? A disease? Congestion (after the ice application)? Was he albino? Hairless? No to all

Did he put the ice on his body after lying down on the bed? He would likely have been sitting up Or maybe he put the ice cubes somewhere relevantly before applying to his body (e.g. in a mchine to transform them in ice form or to cool down the machine...)? Did he put the ice inside the remaining clothing? Did he put the ice cubes in the clothes that he threw off (e.g. he used them as sort of ice boxes)? Did he want to hydrate his skin? no to all


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Postby Earnest » Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:48 pm

Ice with salty water? Salt and ice to calm down the heat? Did the salt touch all his body? Just his hands? Did he touch his body with salty hands? Did he put the salt in some food? Was salt inside water or somewhere relevantly? Did he eat it?

Idk...but I know salt is used to melt ice. But if mixed with water and ice it decrease a lot the ice temperature...is it something like this?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:49 pm

Earnest wrote:Ice with salty water? Salt and ice to calm down the heat? That's not how it works Did the salt touch all his body? Not all, but lots of places. Just his hands? not just his hands Did he touch his body with salty hands? Did he put the salt in some food? Was salt inside water or somewhere relevantly? Did he eat it? No to these

Idk...but I know salt is used to melt ice. But if mixed with water and ice it decrease a lot the ice temperature...is it something like this? OTRT
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Postby trebor » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:15 pm

Did he put the ice on his ski first? And then the salt? Did he put the salt on the ice, and then both onto himself simultaneously? Did he salt himself, and then put the ice on?

Was the disorder mental? Perhaps he thought he was burning up when he wasn’t (or that insects were crawling on his skin and he had to kill them, or something), so he tried to alleviate the perceived issue with ice, got too cold, and tried to warm up with salt? Or he thought that the combination of ice and salt would burn something that was crawling on him?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:27 pm

trebor wrote:Did he put the ice on his ski first? And then the salt? Did he put the salt on the ice, and then both onto himself simultaneously? Did he salt himself, and then put the ice on? he put the salt on his skin, then put the ice on top

Was the disorder mental? yes Perhaps he thought he was burning up when he wasn’t (or that insects were crawling on his skin and he had to kill them, or something), nothing like this so he tried to alleviate the perceived issue with ice, got too cold, and tried to warm up with salt? OTRT but the ice + salt didn't work this way Or he thought that the combination of ice and salt would burn yes something that was crawling on him? but no, he didn't think that
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Postby Earnest » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:41 am

So...temporal order: a) salt on his body; b) ice on his body c) burn or 1) salt in his body and burn; 2) ice on his body and super burn/ death?

Did it begin to burn when ice melted? Even before? Is water (a part from ice melting) relevant at all? (Maybe he went to the sea and came back home after) Can we assume normal kitchen salt? Salt going all over his body = did he put it there voluntarily? Or maybe he was cooking something? Did the salt go on his clothes? Did he put the salt in some relevant part of his skin? The visible parts (over his clothes)? Skin care relevant? Was he imitating someone? Tv relevant? Social media? Others sources?

Mental disorder influences him in convincing himself about the heat sensation? About the remedy? Is any culturall/religion component involved here?
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Postby trebor » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:36 am

"Did he put the ice on his ski first?" I wonder if ever anyone has stripped to their underwear and iced their skis.

Was his disorder a common one? One that is widely known? Depression? Bipolar? Anxiety? Schizophrenia? Dementia? ADHD? PTSD? Autism? Is it more neurological than mental, if that makes sense? Hypoesthesia?

When I asked if the time period was relevant, I meant in terms of century/decade. I thought maybe he was trying to do something that used to be common but isn't anymore, or that we have modern ways now of trying to achieve whatever he was trying to achieve. Is this the case? Can we assume the events of the puzzle take place in modern times?

From his perspective, would the benefit he received be achieved from just the salt? From the salt and ice together? Is the benefit being burned? Masochism relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:18 pm

Earnest wrote:So...temporal order: a) salt on his body; b) ice on his body c) burn or Yes: salt, ice, burn in that order 1) salt in his body and burn; 2) ice on his body and super burn/ death?

Did it begin to burn when ice melted? yes; specifically within a few seconds of applying the ice Even before? Is water (a part from ice melting) relevant at all? (Maybe he went to the sea and came back home after) no to these Can we assume normal kitchen salt? yes Salt going all over his body = did he put it there voluntarily? yes Or maybe he was cooking something? no Did the salt go on his clothes? Heaven forfend! He'd taken his clothes off :-D Did he put the salt in some relevant part of his skin? No; anywhere on his body would do, so long as he could reach it. The visible parts (over his clothes)? His clothes were on the back of the chair or the floor Skin care relevant? Was he imitating someone? Tv relevant? Social media? No to these Others sources? NR

Mental disorder influences him in convincing himself about the heat sensation? About the remedy? Is any culturall/religion component involved here? no to all
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:40 pm

trebor wrote:"Did he put the ice on his ski first?" I wonder if ever anyone has stripped to their underwear and iced their skis.

Like this?
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Was his disorder a common one? reasonably One that is widely known? yes Depression? yes Bipolar? possibly Anxiety? possibly Schizophrenia? Dementia? ADHD? PTSD? Autism? Is it more neurological than mental, if that makes sense? Hypoesthesia? no to these

When I asked if the time period was relevant, I meant in terms of century/decade. OIC. Assume present day but in theory it could've happened in the past I thought maybe he was trying to do something that used to be common but isn't anymore, no or that we have modern ways now of trying to achieve whatever he was trying to achieve. no Is this the case? Can we assume the events of the puzzle take place in modern times? Yes, let's.

From his perspective, would the benefit he received be achieved from just the salt? No From the salt and ice together? yes Is the benefit being burned? YES! Masochism relevant? No
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Postby trebor » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:47 pm

Yes. Exactly like that.

Was he just cold? Would having burns make him more likely to get him something he wanted, such as a job? Or sympathy? Attention?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:26 pm

trebor wrote:Yes. Exactly like that.

Was he just cold? Would having burns make him more likely to get him something he wanted, such as a job? Or sympathy? Attention? no to all
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Postby trebor » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:50 am

I realize now that I misread it when you said he had depression, and I think it made my last round of questions look callous. Sorry to anyone bothered.

Is he trying to self-harm as an end itself? Is this a case of feeling pain being better than feeling nothing at all?

Is it relevant why he tried to burn himself this way instead of with flame?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:43 am

trebor wrote:I realize now that I misread it when you said he had depression, and I think it made my last round of questions look callous. Sorry to anyone bothered. OK

Is he trying to self-harm as an end itself? Yes Is this a case of feeling pain being better than feeling nothing at all? Possibly but irr

Is it relevant why he tried to burn himself this way instead of with flame? It's just one method of s/h... flame would've been a rather basic puzzle


So you have all the pieces now - you just need to put it together and work out how he died :)
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Postby trebor » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:34 am

So he was depressed, he undressed so he could access his skin, put the salt and ice on to create the burn. Over too much of his body? Or just used too much salt/ice on one area? Did he pass out before he could get help, and then went into cardiac arrest/burned to death? Or perhaps passed out face-down and couldn't breathe?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:34 pm

trebor wrote:So he was depressed, he undressed so he could access his skin, put the salt and ice on to create the burn. Over too much of his body? Or just used too much salt/ice on one area? Did he pass out before he could get help, and then went into cardiac arrest/burned to death? Or perhaps passed out face-down and couldn't breathe? Yes, that's it!



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A depressed man is in the habit of self-harming. His method is to apply rock salt to his body and then press ice into it. Within a few seconds it starts to burn. He holds it there until the ice has melted. The temperature will drop to -21℃. He is effectively giving himself frostbite. On this occasion, he does it multiple times, all over his body (the bits he can reach anyway). At some point, he goes into shock, and in due course dies.

https://sciencing.com/rock-salt-make-ic ... 07350.html

Well done to trebor, Earnest and Zanreo :-)

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Postby Earnest » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:53 pm

Hosh I was thinking something like that but hope that was not real at alll...cool one minsy!
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:31 pm

Earnest wrote:Hosh I was thinking something like that but hope that was not real at alll...cool one minsy!


Thanks. It is certainly "cool" :-D
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Postby Earnest » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:23 pm

Ahahahahahahaha xD we can state it is an hot cool puzzle
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