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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:45 pm

A young man dies of a heroin overdose. His brother Dexter wants revenge, and the first thing he does is to get a job as a delivery driver. How does he kill the dealer?
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Postby trebor » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:14 pm

Does the dealer die of a heroin overdose as well? Another overdose? By gunshot? Strangulation? Blunt force trauma? Being run over? Is he killed by whatever Dexter delivers?

Is it relevant what Dexter delivers? Does he deliver drugs? Mail? Food? Random stuff, like for UPS or Fedex?

Does Dexter know the dealer at the outset of the puzzle? Does he get to know the dealer? Does he befriend the dealer? Is another person involved in the dealer's death?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:24 am

trebor wrote:Does the dealer die of a heroin overdose as well? yes Another overdose? By gunshot? Strangulation? Blunt force trauma? Being run over? Is he killed by whatever Dexter delivers yes?

Is it relevant what Dexter delivers? Does he deliver drugs? Mail? Food? yes Random stuff, like for UPS or Fedex?

Does Dexter know the dealer at the outset of the puzzle? no Does he get to know the dealer? no, but he knows who he is Does he befriend the dealer? no Is another person involved in the dealer's death? no
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Postby trebor » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:50 am

Is Dexter then a driver for a delivery driver for a service like Skip the Dishes? For a specific restaurant? For a grocery delivery outfit? For a criminal operation? Does he disguise the heroin to be mistaken for salt? Sugar? Is it relevant specifically what food Dexter delivers? Does Dexter deliver the food to the dealer? Directly? Does he drop it off somewhere for the dealer to pick up? Is the food Dexter delivers for consumption? Is it part of the operation the dealer runs? Does Dexter deliver the food to someone on behalf of the dealer?
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Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:03 am

Relevant what food he delivers? Pizza? Sushi? Sweets? Random food? McDonald? Junk food? Food that is usually delivered? Did he make deliveries at a short distance? Did he know he would come into contact with the dealer sooner or later? Was him part of a catering staff? Did he know that the dealer delivers food? That someone connected to the dealer delivered food? Did the dealer die by eating food delivered by Dexter? Do food deliverer have something to do with drugs? Did his died brother work as a deliverer as well? Relevant how the brother had the heroin? Did the brother purchase the heroin? If so by the dealer (directly or indirectly)? Steal it? Eat it/ use it without being aware? Received by a deliverer?

Did he obtain his revenge soon after having landed the job? Relevant how Dexter knew that he would have obtained revenge by working as a deliverer? Relevant what was his previous job? In food industry? Drugs? Others? Relevant the "cover job" of the dealer? (Assuming he has another official job)

Did Dexter steal the heroin? Use the heroin that the brother had (maybe some residual?)? Buy it from the dealer?

Having access to addresses relevant?
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Postby Zanreo » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:19 am

Was the heroin cooked into the food? If so, did Dexter put it in the food? Or get the chef or someone else at the restaurant to do this (assuming he delivered for a restaurant or similar)? Did he cook the food himself?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:21 pm

trebor wrote:Is Dexter then a driver for a delivery driver for a service like Skip the Dishes? Probably... in the UK it would be "Just Eat" For a specific restaurant? For a grocery delivery outfit? For a criminal operation? none of these Does he disguise the heroin to be mistaken for salt? Sugar? neither Is it relevant specifically what food Dexter delivers? yesish Does Dexter deliver the food to the dealer? yes Directly? Yes Does he drop it off somewhere for the dealer to pick up? no Is the food Dexter delivers for consumption? yes Is it part of the operation the dealer runs? no Does Dexter deliver the food to someone on behalf of the dealer? no
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:35 pm

Earnest wrote:Relevant what food he delivers? yes Pizza? Sushi? Sweets? Random food? McDonald? Junk food? none of these Food that is usually delivered? yes, although you could also eat it at a restaurant Did he make deliveries at a short distance? irrel Did he know he would come into contact with the dealer sooner or later? Yes, because... Was him part of a catering staff? no Did he know that the dealer delivers food? FAThat someone connected to the dealer delivered food? FA Did the dealer die by eating food delivered by Dexter? Yes Do food deliverer have something to do with drugs? yes Did his died brother work as a deliverer as well? no Relevant how the brother had the heroin? yes Did the brother purchase the heroin? yes If so by the dealer (directly or indirectly)? The brother purchased it from the dealer Steal it? no Eat it/ use it without being aware? no, the brother injected the heroin into himself Received by a deliverer? Assume the brother went to the dealer's house himself to buy the heroin

Did he obtain his revenge soon after having landed the job? fairly soon yes, exact time NR Relevant how Dexter knew that he would have obtained revenge by working as a deliverer? Yes Relevant what was his previous job? No In food industry? Drugs? Others? Relevant the "cover job" of the dealer? (Assuming he has another official job) No. The dealer just sold drugs

Did Dexter steal the heroin? Use the heroin that the brother had (maybe some residual?)? Buy it from the dealer? this

Having access to addresses relevant? What do you mean?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:37 pm

Zanreo wrote:Was the heroin cooked into the food? It was added to the food after cooking If so, did Dexter put it in the food? yes Or get the chef or someone else at the restaurant to do this (assuming he delivered for a restaurant or similar)? no Did he cook the food himself? no
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Postby trebor » Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:57 am

Is it relevant how Dexter knew the house belonged to the dealer? I'm presuming that he didn't go and lace everyone's food with heroin and hope that eventually the dealer ordered some, and that he somehow tampered with only one food order. Is this a good presumption to make?

Was the heroin visible? And disguised as something else? Did he put it on top of the food? Inside the food? Between the food and the takeaway container? In a condiment package? In a drink? Is it Italian food? Vietnamese? Chinese? Indian? Japanese? Is it delivery that is identified by ethnicity like that? Do we need to figure out the exact dish? Did the dealer eat the heroin? Ingest it somehow else?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:45 am

Not really aware (fortunately) of that but...does heroin need to be powder to make effect? Or it must be inhected? The same question for "to die for overdose" rather than "to make effect", please. Relevant?

Technology relevant? Did the dealer make an order yhrough an app? Was the nearest food deliverer to the place where the order was placed in charge to deliver the food automatically? Or the food deliverer should be called personally? Relevant? Maybe Dexter simply placed himself near the restaurant where he knew that the dealer placed his orders?
Was the dealer relevantly aware of the death of Dexter's brother? Did he know that Dexter was his brother?

Did Dexter buy the heroin directly from the dealer during a delivery? Did the dealer trust him? Are food deliverer employed as drug mules? For sharing communications among people? Did he put the same heroin he bought from the dealer inside his food? If so days after he bought it? During a second delivery? (E.g. a cover delivery to pay the dealer)?

Food preservation during transportation relevant? If so did the food necessitate of low temperature (which maybe was a way to make heroin more effective...)? In plastic bags? Type of food delivered: asian? Ethnic? Meat? Fish? Vegan? Gluten free? Vegetables? Fruit? Pasta? Rice? Spicy food? Donuts? Was it more than a dish? A single type of food? A food usually eaten at lunch? At dinner?

A specific kind of food? If so, was Dexter aware that the dealer would have ordered that specific kind of food? Did Dexter know the dealer's tastes? Did the dealer order directly a delivery? For just himself? Also for other people? Did Dexter just delivered the food once he was at the dealer's address? Or he did something else relevantly? Was it the first time that Dexter delivered food to the dealer/have a contact with the dealer? Did he deliver it directly at the dealer's house?

Did Dexter's brother receive the heroin through a delivery?
Was Dexter sure that he (and not someone else) would have been send to make a food delivery by the dealer? If so because the dealer asked for him? Because Dexter asked so? Did Dexter know the name of the dealer? Where he lives?

Was heroin hidden as a "normal" ingredient of the food delivered? Was it visible? E.g. Did Dexter deliver food that should be eaten with sauce? Icing sugar relevant? Salt? Or maybe cooked in the dough?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:07 am

trebor wrote:Is it relevant how Dexter knew the house belonged to the dealer? irrel I'm presuming that he didn't go and lace everyone's food with heroin and hope that eventually the dealer ordered some, and that he somehow tampered with only one food order. Is this a good presumption to make? That would be carnage! You presume correctly.

Was the heroin visible? At the point when Dexter delivered it? No. And disguised as something else? Did he put it on top of the food? Inside the food? Mixed into the food Between the food and the takeaway container? In a condiment package? In a drink? Is it Italian food? Vietnamese? Chinese? Indian? This Japanese? Is it delivery that is identified by ethnicity like that? ethnicity irrel Do we need to figure out the exact dish? assume hot/spicy curry Did the dealer eat the heroin? yes Ingest it somehow else?
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Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:31 am

Missed mines :)
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:43 am

Earnest wrote:Not really aware (fortunately) of that but...does heroin need to be powder to make effect? Or it must be inhected? It can be either although I believe injection is more effective The same question for "to die for overdose" rather than "to make effect", please. I'm not quite sure what you mean, specifically. The brother died from an injected overdose of heroin. The dealer died of powder overdose in the food. Relevant? Yes, it had to be this way.

Technology relevant? no Did the dealer make an order yhrough an app? no Was the nearest food deliverer to the place where the order was placed in charge to deliver the food automatically? FA Or the food deliverer should be called personally? no Relevant? the series of events is relevant Maybe Dexter simply placed himself near the restaurant where he knew that the dealer placed his orders? no
Was the dealer relevantly aware of the death of Dexter's brother? He may or may not have heard about it, but he wouldn't have cared either way Did he know that Dexter was his brother? No

Did Dexter buy the heroin directly from the dealer yes during a delivery? but no Did the dealer trust him? irrel Are food deliverer employed as drug mules? no For sharing communications among people? no Did he put the same heroin he bought from the dealer inside his food? yes If so days after he bought it? possibly, exact time irrel During a second delivery? (E.g. a cover delivery to pay the dealer)? No and FA

Food preservation during transportation relevant? Just normal insulation to keep the meal hot If so did the food necessitate of low temperature (which maybe was a way to make heroin more effective...)? no In plastic bags? Assume normal takeaway boxes in a carrier bag Type of food delivered: asian? yes Ethnic? Meat? Fish? Vegan? Gluten free? Vegetables? Fruit? Pasta? Rice? Spicy food? specifically this Donuts? Was it more than a dish? A single type of food? A food usually eaten at lunch? At dinner? Assume curry and rice. Perhaps a poppadom and some nan bread and chutneys... nom! Just a typical meal but the heroin would've been in the curry.

A specific kind of food? Yes, it needed to be spicy. If so, was Dexter aware that the dealer would have ordered that specific kind of food? Did Dexter know the dealer's tastes? No, but everybody loves curry, right? Did the dealer order directly a delivery? For just himself? Also for other people? no to all Did Dexter just delivered the food once he was at the dealer's address? yes Or he did something else relevantly? yes Was it the first time that Dexter delivered food to the dealer/have a contact with the dealer? Good question, it was NOT the first time Dexter had contact with the dealer, but it was the first time he delivered food to him Did he deliver it directly at the dealer's house? yes

Did Dexter's brother receive the heroin through a delivery? no, he collected it from the dealer himself
Was Dexter sure that he (and not someone else) would have been send to make a food delivery by the dealer? yes If so because the dealer asked for him? no Because Dexter asked so? no Did Dexter know the name of the dealer? irrel Where he lives? yes

Was heroin hidden as a "normal" ingredient of the food delivered? no, the restaurant did not include heroin in its recipes Was it visible? no E.g. Did Dexter deliver food that should be eaten with sauce? yes, it was curry Icing sugar relevant? Salt? Or maybe cooked in the dough? no to these
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Postby Earnest » Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:58 pm

Agent under cover relevant? Previous contact with dealer = to buy drug? When he first had the contact with the dealer did he know that he was a dealer? Did the dealer know that he was the brother of the death person?

Did the dealer ask for a delivery? For delivered food? Or maybe Dexter claimed to have gone to the wrong address?
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Postby trebor » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:09 pm

Does the spice hide the flavour of the heroin? Is it relevant that the dealer would quickly drink water or milk to combat the spiciness? Is the spiciness relevant to the dealer not realizing he'd ingested heroin? To police not being able to figure out he'd died of a heroin overdose? Would the spices dissolve the drug? Or explain other things that would be noticeable? (Scarring, burning in the throat, stomach issues, etc.?)
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:16 pm

Earnest wrote:Agent under cover relevant? no Previous contact with dealer = to buy drug? yes When he first had the contact with the dealer did he know that he was a dealer? yes Did the dealer know that he was the brother of the death person no ?

Did the dealer ask for a delivery? no For delivered food? no Or maybe Dexter claimed to have gone to the wrong address? no
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:35 pm

trebor wrote:Does the spice hide the flavour of the heroin? yes indeed, as heroin is very bitter to taste Is it relevant that the dealer would quickly drink water or milk to combat the spiciness? no, and he probably wouldn't do that anyway; assume he likes curry Is the spiciness relevant to the dealer not realizing he'd ingested heroin? Initially... I imagine the dealer would recognise the signs in due course though To police not being able to figure out he'd died of a heroin overdose? Subsequent police investigations are irrel to the puzzle Would the spices dissolve the drug? no, just disguise the taste Or explain other things that would be noticeable? (Scarring, burning in the throat, stomach issues, etc.?) no, and those particular symptoms aren't likely anyway.
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Postby Earnest » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:28 am

Did a deliverer ring the bell of the dealer's house? Did delivered food arrive at the dealer's house? Somewhere else where the dealer was? Was the deliverer Dexter? An accomplice of Dexter? If a deliverer rang at the dealer's door, did the dealer himself take the food? Did someone else take it? Was the dealer in a group? Alone? Relevant? Was it dinner/lunch time?

Did Dexter deliver the food to someone? To someone related to the dealer? To the dealer himself even though he did not ask for deliveries? Was there a relevant benefit that Dexter exploited from having a job in deliveries? Just having a direct contact with food? Or maybe knowing the schedule of other deliverers? Did he exchange dishes? Was the dealer at the relevant restaurant? Did the restaurant belong to the dealer? To his relatives?

Relevant how he knew that the dealer would have eaten the dish? Would anyone else have eaten the dish? Did the dealer taste it? Eat it all? Relevant? Did Dexter know that the dealer would have asked for indian food? That the dealer would have noticed somehow the dish and ate it? Did Dexter leave the food somewhere relevantly?

When Dexter first had a contact with the dealer, did he notice him eating curry? Eating indian food? Was the dealer indian? The name of a restaurant? Did he notice the dealer stealing food? To a deliverer?

WAG --> maybe Dexter himself asked for food to be delivered at the dealer's house?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:21 pm

Earnest wrote:Did a deliverer ring the bell of the dealer's house? yes Did delivered food arrive at the dealer's house? yes Somewhere else where the dealer was? no Was the deliverer Dexter? yes An accomplice of Dexter? no If a deliverer rang at the dealer's door, did the dealer himself take the food? yes Did someone else take it? Was the dealer in a group? Alone? assume alone Relevant? yes Was it dinner/lunch time? it was evening, probably quite late

Did Dexter deliver the food to someone? to the dealer To someone related to the dealer? no To the dealer himself even though he did not ask for deliveries? Yes, good question! Was there a relevant benefit that Dexter exploited from having a job in deliveries? yes Just having a direct contact with food? Or maybe knowing the schedule of other deliverers? Did he exchange dishes? Was the dealer at the relevant restaurant? Did the restaurant belong to the dealer? To his relatives? no to these

Relevant how he knew that the dealer would have eaten the dish? yes, and he thought it very likely Would anyone else have eaten the dish? probably Did the dealer taste it? Eat it all? Relevant? he would have had to eat enough of it for the heroin to cause an overdose. Assume Dexter added plenty. Did Dexter know that the dealer would have asked for indian food? FA That the dealer would have noticed somehow the dish and ate it? I don't understand the question Did Dexter leave the food somewhere relevantly? He relevantly gave it directly to the dealer

When Dexter first had a contact with the dealer, did he notice him eating curry? Eating indian food? Was the dealer indian? The name of a restaurant? Did he notice the dealer stealing food? To a deliverer? no to all

WAG --> maybe Dexter himself asked for food to be delivered at the dealer's house? no
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Postby Earnest » Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:12 pm

So basically Dexter went to the dealer's house as a deliverer even though the dealer did not ask for deliveries right? So did Dexter went there while working? As part of his job as deliverer? Or he went there for another reason? Did he went to the dealer's house to give him delivered food? To buy drugs? To pay him? To offer him food? Relevant? Did Dexter ring the bell and the go away leaving the indian food in front of the dealer's door? Did the dealer receive the food direcrly from Dexter's hands? If so did he recognize Dexter? Did Dexter tell him something relevant ehen giving him the food? Did Dexter claim to have an order from that house? That the dealer ordered food? Or maybe that he has to leave the food to a neighbor? That someone else cancelled the order? Did he threaten the dealer? Was the food relevantly in a box? Did the dealer wait for Dexter?
Any sign/code relevant?

Did the know that what he received was food? It was indian food? Did Dexter tell him when giving to him? Did Dexter wait until he ate it? Did Dexter say that someone offered him the food? Maybe that the dealer accumulated enough points to have a free meal? Did Dexter know that the dealer was hungry? Was the dealer in fact hungry? Did the dealer already have dinner? Relevant?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:01 pm

Earnest wrote:So basically Dexter went to the dealer's house as a deliverer even though the dealer did not ask for deliveries right? yes So did Dexter went there while working? yes As part of his job as deliverer? yes Or he went there for another reason? other than to poison him with the heroin, no Did he went to the dealer's house to give him delivered food? yes To buy drugs? To pay him? no to these To offer him food? yes Relevant? Did Dexter ring the bell and the go away leaving the indian food in front of the dealer's door? no Did the dealer receive the food direcrly from Dexter's hands? yes If so did he recognize Dexter? Good question. No, because... Did Dexter tell him something relevant ehen giving him the food? yes Did Dexter claim to have an order from that house? yes That the dealer ordered food? yes Or maybe that he has to leave the food to a neighbor? That someone else cancelled the order? Did he threaten the dealer? no to these Was the food relevantly in a box? NR Did the dealer wait for Dexter?
Any sign/code relevant? no to these

Did the know that what he received was food? It was indian food? Did Dexter tell him when giving to him? yes to these Did Dexter wait until he ate it? Did Dexter say that someone offered him the food? Maybe that the dealer accumulated enough points to have a free meal? no to these Did Dexter know that the dealer was hungry? Was the dealer in fact hungry? Did the dealer already have dinner? Relevant? NR
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Postby Earnest » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:12 am

Had the dealer met Dexter on the street would he have recognised him? Was the dealer on drugs when Dexter appeared? Did Dexter wear a mask? (E.g. as part of the uniform?) Because it was dark? Because something prevented him to see Dexter face to face (e.g. a wall with an opening, a door...)? Relevant what? (E.g. the dealer was in parole and from time to time received food from police which used it as an excuse to check that ge did not violate the parole) Did the dealer end up believing that he ordered the food? If so, because he did not remember his actions? Because someone else acted in his behalf? Because it was convenient for him to believe so (e.g. it could have demostrated something relevant? He would have had a witness for something he was going to do?)? Because it was his favorite food and it was plausible to believe so?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:09 pm

Earnest wrote:Had the dealer met Dexter on the street would he have recognised him? Yes, because... Was the dealer on drugs when Dexter appeared? yes Did Dexter wear a mask? (E.g. as part of the uniform?) OTRT Because it was dark? Because something prevented him to see Dexter face to face (e.g. a wall with an opening, a door...)? Relevant what? (E.g. the dealer was in parole and from time to time received food from police which used it as an excuse to check that ge did not violate the parole) Did the dealer end up believing that he ordered the food? If so, because he did not remember his actions? Because someone else acted in his behalf? Because it was convenient for him to believe so (e.g. it could have demostrated something relevant? He would have had a witness for something he was going to do?)? Because it was his favorite food and it was plausible to believe so? no to all
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Postby trebor » Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:35 pm

Was it Halloween? Is the weather relevant?

For clarity from the last round of questions: if the dealer had met Dexter on the street the dealer would’ve recognized Dexter? Dexter would’ve recognized the dealer?

Did Dexter buy drugs from the dealer during the delivery in which he poisoned him? At a previous time? Was Dexter counting on the dealer being high to be able to put the poison in the food? Did he buy drugs, go back to his car, mix them into the food, and return with the delivery? Perhaps having altered his appearance somehow in the interim?
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Postby Earnest » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:49 am

Had the dealer met Dexter on the street would he have recognised him? Yes, because... --> would he have recognized him also with a mask? only because Dexter bought drugs from him? Because he has a picture of him? Because of relevant signs of distinction (e.g. tattoos)? Because Dexter was famous? Because of a previous interaction they had?
Is the reason why the dealer would have recognized Dexter connected to the reason why he did not recognized him when he made the delivery? (e.g. he would have recognized by associating Dexter to a relevant context, to a relevant event, but out of context the dealer would have not recognized him?) Because of Dexter's voice (e.g. the dealer was blind)? Because of some secret word? Because the dealer would have gone together with people that knew Dexter? Because Dexter would have introduced himself first?

Did the dealer pay Dexter for the delivery? relevant?

Was it a special day? Was it dealer's birthday? (e.g. the dealer was a customer of the Indian restaurant who had the custom to offer a free meal to loyal customers) Was there a masked party in the nearby? Was Dexter's face covered? by a mask? By a veil?

Do other people receive a similar delivery without having asked for it? Was it normal in that situation (or in that day) to accept a delivery even though it has not been ordered?
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:05 pm

trebor wrote:Was it Halloween? Is the weather relevant? No to both

For clarity from the last round of questions: if the dealer had met Dexter on the street the dealer would’ve recognized Dexter? Dexter would’ve recognized the dealer? For clarity... If by 'on the street' you mean that one encountered the other on the pavement/sidewalk/crossing the road etc, then yes, each would have recognised the other

Did Dexter buy drugs from the dealer during the delivery in which he poisoned him? no At a previous time? yes Was Dexter counting on the dealer being high to be able to put the poison in the food? no Did he buy drugs, go back to his car, mix them into the food, and return with the delivery? no, and FA Perhaps having altered his appearance somehow in the interim? yesish
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Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:24 pm

Earnest wrote:Had the dealer met Dexter on the street would he have recognised him? Yes, because... --> would he have recognized him also with a mask? no only because Dexter bought drugs from him? Yes exactly. He might recognise Dexter as a recent customer. Because he has a picture of him? Because of relevant signs of distinction (e.g. tattoos)? Because Dexter was famous? no to these Because of a previous interaction they had? Only the one time Dexter bought drugs from him.
Is the reason why the dealer would have recognized Dexter connected to the reason why he did not recognized him when he made the delivery? (e.g. he would have recognized by associating Dexter to a relevant context, to a relevant event, but out of context the dealer would have not recognized him?) Because of Dexter's voice (e.g. the dealer was blind)?Because of some secret word? Because the dealer would have gone together with people that knew Dexter? Because Dexter would have introduced himself first? no to these

Did the dealer pay Dexter for the delivery? relevant? No he didn't! Relevant.

Was it a special day? no Was it dealer's birthday? It was his deathday :mrgreen: (e.g. the dealer was a customer of the Indian restaurant who had the custom to offer a free meal to loyal customers) Was there a masked party in the nearby? no to these Was Dexter's face covered? Yes! by a mask? By a veil? not these

Do other people receive a similar delivery without having asked for it? Yes but rarely Was it normal in that situation (or in that day) to accept a delivery even though it has not been ordered? some people might, most wouldn't I think


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Postby Earnest » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:08 pm

Was Dexter face covered by a full-face helmet?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Crime and Punishment

Postby invisiblemimsy » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:16 pm

Earnest wrote:Was Dexter face covered by a full-face helmet? Yes indeed
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Crime and Punishment

Postby Earnest » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:07 am

To be sure: the dealer did not pay for the delivery? For the food? For food + delivery?

Did the dealer feel comfortable in not paying for food that he received without having ordered? I mean...did the dealer suspect something?
Did Dexter ask for a payment? Did the dealer refuse to pay? Or maybe Dexter claimed that it was for free? That it has been offered by others? That he has been selected among a range of other costumers? That it was a free meal as part of an advertising campaign of the restaurant? That it was part of a service that the dealer had already exploited? That someone else refused the food / was not at home?

Had Dexter not the intention to kill the dealer would he have delivered the food regularly? If so, would he have asked for a payment to the person to which he would have delivered?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Crime and Punishment

Postby invisiblemimsy » Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:12 am

Earnest wrote:To be sure: the dealer did not pay for the delivery? For the food? For food + delivery? Correct

Did the dealer feel comfortable in not paying for food that he received without having ordered? Yes I mean...did the dealer suspect something? Yes, although he was incorrect
Did Dexter ask for a payment? no, because... Did the dealer refuse to pay? Or maybe Dexter claimed that it was for free? no, but... That it has been offered by others? That he has been selected among a range of other costumers? That it was a free meal as part of an advertising campaign of the restaurant? That it was part of a service that the dealer had already exploited? That someone else refused the food / was not at home? no to these

Had Dexter not the intention to kill the dealer would he have delivered the food regularly? He probably wouldn't have bothered getting the job in the first place If so, would he have asked for a payment to the person to which he would have delivered? It depends
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Crime and Punishment

Postby Earnest » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:40 am

Did Dexter claim that: a payment was not necessary? That the dealer had already paid for that? He did not mention the payment? He asked the dealer to taste it/eat it? He asked the dealer some drug in exchange? Did Dexter delivered just the food to the dealer? Also something else? Are weapons relevant? Did Dexter reach the dealer's house in a specific moment (e.g. the dealer was under drugs and Dexter claimed he had to eat in order not to go overdose)? Did Dexter claim that the dealer phoned the restaurant and ordered that specific dish? That someone in the house phoned and ordered that dish for that time? Did the dealer believe him? Because it was plausible that someone that was in the house phoned to the restaurant? Or maybe that someone that was coming had ordered the dish? Or that he ordered the dish but he did not remember it?

No payment = Dexter did not ask for a payment though he had the right to? Dexter claimed to want something else in exchange than money? That he already received a payment? That before being paid he would like the dealer to taste the food (e.g. something like "if you do not like it then you do not pay")?

Did the dealer eat the food in his house once Dexter went away? Or maybe in front of Dexter? Did the dealer suspect that Dexter was a thief? A police man? Was it clear to the dealer that Dexter was a deliverer?
Did Dexter leave as soon as he gave the dealer the delivered food? Did he wait until the dealer ate it? Did he force the dealer to eat it?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Crime and Punishment

Postby invisiblemimsy » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:31 pm

Earnest wrote:Did Dexter claim that: a payment was not necessary? yes That the dealer had already paid for that? yesish He did not mention the payment? he didn't mention it initially He asked the dealer to taste it/eat it? He asked the dealer some drug in exchange? Did Dexter delivered just the food to the dealer? yes Also something else? Are weapons relevant? Did Dexter reach the dealer's house in a specific moment (e.g. the dealer was under drugs and Dexter claimed he had to eat in order not to go overdose)? Did Dexter claim that the dealer phoned the restaurant and ordered that specific dish? That someone in the house phoned and ordered that dish yesish for that time? Did the dealer believe him? no, he didn't believe him Because it was plausible that someone that was in the house phoned to the restaurant? no, the dealer was the only person in the house Or maybe that someone that was coming had ordered the dish? Or that he ordered the dish but he did not remember it? no to the rest

No payment = Dexter did not ask for a payment though he had the right to? Dexter claimed to want something else in exchange than money? That he already received a payment? this That before being paid he would like the dealer to taste the food (e.g. something like "if you do not like it then you do not pay")?

Did the dealer eat the food in his house once Dexter went away? yes Or maybe in front of Dexter? Did the dealer suspect that Dexter was a thief? A police man? Was it clear to the dealer that Dexter was a deliverer? yes, because...
Did Dexter leave as soon as he gave the dealer the delivered food? yes Did he wait until the dealer ate it? Did he force the dealer to eat it? no


You have all the ingredients now... just put it together :D
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Crime and Punishment

Postby Earnest » Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:32 pm

So the dealer did not believe him but ate the food anyway right?, was the dealer suspicious? I mean did he suspect that Dexter-dealer wanted to hurt him? Maybe it was not the dealer house (so that he did not know if the owner had phoned previously)? Had the house a phone? Did the phone number belong to his house? Was the phone used just by the dealer? Did Dexter claim that a phone call arrived from that number? From another phone? From a cell phone? Others?

The missing part is why the dealer ate the food though he did not believe Dexter right? Did Dexter mention someone? Someone who the dealer trusted?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Crime and Punishment

Postby trebor » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:41 pm

Did Dexter deliver food on his motorbike? And he had a delivery bag or something that indicated he was from the delivery service, but was still wearing the helmet, meaning the dealer wouldn't recognize him? And he either stole the food from the restaurant or paid for it himself, laced it, and delivered it to the dealer? Was Dexter hoping the dealer was so high he would believe he had already paid and forgotten?
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Crime and Punishment

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:18 am

Earnest wrote:So the dealer did not believe him but ate the food anyway right?, correct was the dealer suspicious? no I mean did he suspect that Dexter-dealer wanted to hurt him? no Maybe it was not the dealer house (so that he did not know if the owner had phoned previously)? it WAS the dealer's house Had the house a phone? Did the phone number belong to his house? Was the phone used just by the dealer? Did Dexter claim that a phone call arrived from that number? From another phone? From a cell phone? Others? all irrel

The missing part is why the dealer ate the food though he did not believe Dexter right? that's one missing part; there is another Did Dexter mention someone? Someone who the dealer trusted? no
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Re: [invisiblemimsy] Crime and Punishment

Postby invisiblemimsy » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:38 am

trebor wrote:Did Dexter deliver food on his motorbike? yes And he had a delivery bag or something that indicated he was from the delivery service, yes but was still wearing the helmet, meaning the dealer wouldn't recognize him? yes And he either stole the food from the restaurant or paid for it himself, laced it, and delivered it to the dealer? yes Was Dexter hoping the dealer was so high he would believe he had already paid and forgotten? but not this




**********************$POILER*********************

Dexter decides to kill the dealer to avenge his brother's death. He buys some heroin from the dealer, and laces a curry with enough heroin to cause a fatal overdose. Wearing his full-face helmet to disguise his identity, he rides his motorbike to the dealer's house and when the dealer answers the door he gives him the food. "I didn't order any food!" says the dealer. "Well, it's a prepaid order from this house," says Dexter. The dealer grabs the curry from Dexter, slams the door in his face, and the rest is history.

Well done to trebor, Earnest and zanreo, and to trebor for the final solve :)


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